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Perkins : Starting RB

JimNY56 : 9/21/2017 10:21 am
Some of you guys are film junkies who record Giant games and re-watch them; I have two questions for you.

No doubt the running game has sucked so far this year in 2017 no matter who the running back has been when they try to run up the gut. And IMO when they do run, 90% has been up the gut and unsuccessful. I've seen on many runs the running back get hit before reaching the line.

In regard to Perkins:

?1] On his runs up the gut were there any holes for him to run through, either straight in front of him or slightly to either side of him?

?2] From my memory [I'm in my 60's] last year Perkins didn't run too many times right up the gut between the center and the guards. Last year if I recall correctly he ran mostly outside either guard [between G and OT] giving him an opportunity to pick a hole inside the line if there was one [either side of the guard] or bounce it outside depending on what the DE did.
With this method it actually made the OL look to be somewhat better over the last 5 games.
And with the running game somewhat better the passing game was easier.

So the big question is: Is McAdoo using Perkins the same way he was used as last year when he started to look good over the last five games or has McAdoo out smarted himself by changing things up?


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I remember  
The Dude : 9/21/2017 10:26 am : link
the vid's and gifs last year of perkins doing great and making people miss when given the chance (granted we were comparing him to rashad jennings), but all that changed very quickly here this year.
IMHO ...  
Beer Man : 9/21/2017 10:28 am : link
Until the OL is fixed, we won't know what we have in any of the backs.
A bad OL will not make a good RB look good...  
Doomster : 9/21/2017 10:29 am : link
But a good OL will make a bad RB look good....

What I saw from Perkins last year was, Perkins had the ability to go through a hole and make the first guy miss him.....he has not had that chance to show that ability....the hole is not there.....
Perkins  
siena16 : 9/21/2017 10:30 am : link
Perkins rushed for 456 yards last season and Benjamin named him the teams starting running in his second year. let's not forget Perkins was a 5th round draft choice. Might have been too much to ask of a young kid still in the developmental process.
Who knows until the OL improves  
PatersonPlank : 9/21/2017 10:31 am : link
No RB could run behind this hot mess right now. Perkins did ok last year.
Perkins needs to build up a game rythym  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/21/2017 10:35 am : link
and that just has not happened
Perkins needs  
est1986 : 9/21/2017 10:41 am : link
To be able to run through an arm tackle or I don't want him no matter how good he can juke a guy, he has been brought down by a few arm tackles this season.
I would like to see him  
Gman11 : 9/21/2017 11:01 am : link
in more pitch-outs and the like. I think he would be better than running him off tackle all game. I just wonder if the guys on the OL can get out in front of him fast enough to pull it off.
Where did he run last year? His strenght is not up the gut, but more  
JimNY56 : 9/21/2017 11:07 am : link
off guard. Is McAdoo they using him correctly?

No one has addressed that question!

Most of us agree the OL sucks at pass blocking and opening holes right up the gut, but McAdoo keeps running there.

Why not run more between the guard and tackle to give Perkins and others more options, especially if they can make guys miss which is harder to do in the middle of the line?
Except  
JimNY56 : 9/21/2017 11:08 am : link
Gman11
we used to crush Jacobs for 'tip toeing' up to the line starting in 09  
mattlawson : 9/21/2017 11:44 am : link
perkins has the same problem - and has no power - ive seen enough for a while. give me someone who runs hard. darkwa and gallman this game please
RE: I would like to see him  
Lowell : 9/21/2017 12:35 pm : link
In comment 13609382 Gman11 said:
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in more pitch-outs and the like. I think he would be better than running him off tackle all game. I just wonder if the guys on the OL can get out in front of him fast enough to pull it off.


Perkins is so slow he can't turn the corner. He can't out run DE's much less linebackers.
Perkins is absolutely not a problem  
Tuckrule : 9/21/2017 1:44 pm : link
On Monday he had 13 yards AFTER CONTACT he rushed for a total of 9. Until we have a line you can't say anything about Perkins.
Perkins  
Marty866b : 9/21/2017 2:03 pm : link
Lacks speed and power. He's a JAG.
RE: Perkins is absolutely not a problem  
PatersonPlank : 9/21/2017 2:03 pm : link
In comment 13609633 Tuckrule said:
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On Monday he had 13 yards AFTER CONTACT he rushed for a total of 9. Until we have a line you can't say anything about Perkins.


Thats an amazing stat. I guess he was hit behind the LOS all the time. This offense continues to create unbelievable stats, and not in a good way.
I'm no expert...  
Dan in the Springs : 9/21/2017 2:08 pm : link
but there aren't as many plays "up the gut" as one might think. We've had some small successes there. There are also the zone or stretch runs which may seem like outside runs but the carrier can run inside - they look for the gaps and run to daylight.

There have been some small creases at times. Perkins problems from what I can see is that he has been a bit hesitant to hit the holes - showing patience but things haven't developed. Also he is not continuing to move forward on contact. He's not making people miss consistently. We haven't really seen him be a "hard to tackle" type running back.

When I watch the Giants on run defense this year there are very few holes for the other team to exploit. What has happened to their advantage is they have hit the lOS with authority and kept driving their legs, picking up 3-4 yards in the process.

I wish we had a hard runner, a Marshawn Lynch-type, but we don't. Still, Perk needs to be a little angrier about moving his body forward imho.
RE: Who knows until the OL improves  
djm : 9/21/2017 3:28 pm : link
In comment 13609346 PatersonPlank said:
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No RB could run behind this hot mess right now. Perkins did ok last year.


Simple question. Would a better RB gain more yards here?

If you say no, I give up.
Perkins is an ok  
Bluesbreaker : 9/21/2017 8:08 pm : link
change of pace back who can be allusive but when your getting so few carries behind a pathetic line that simply can not
move the pile it really doesn't matter .
He was a what 7th round pick can't complain about where we took him . Watching Kareem Hunt brings tears to my eyes he
needs so little room them boom he is through the line and
runs tougher than I thought he would .
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