He said that while they would never indicate their concern in regard to Eli publicly, behind the scenes they believe he is not helping them to overcome some of their deficiencies.
is that if you have a system that requires an Aaron Rodgers running it to be successful, you don't have a great system.
My growing fear is that Mac is trying to subtly (and not so subtly) move away from eli to a type of QB like Rodgers, but guys like that don't grow on trees.
Eli is no doubt a part of the problem right now - but how much is debatable.
I think the state of the OL and his complete lack of mobility are just creating a perfect storm of shit.
I don't know how many QB's can succeed with zero semblance of a rushing attack and pass protection this poor. Not to mention key drops by guys like Marshall.
Eli has to be better - but he's in a hell of a situation right now. Nothing around him is helping him.
is that if you have a system that requires an Aaron Rodgers running it to be successful, you don't have a great system.
My growing fear is that Mac is trying to subtly (and not so subtly) move away from eli to a type of QB like Rodgers, but guys like that don't grow on trees.
is that if you have a system that requires an Aaron Rodgers running it to be successful, you don't have a great system.
My growing fear is that Mac is trying to subtly (and not so subtly) move away from eli to a type of QB like Rodgers, but guys like that don't grow on trees.
Yup. But wasn't it his job to elevate Eli? Not build a shit system that only freak talent can handle?
he's a very good QB who is a pocket passer. He's not great without a pocket. He doesn't have a good OL, and he helps them by being among the best to identify fronts and blitzes and setting the offense accordingly, but he's not helping his OL either with his immobility. I can understand why they're frustrated because he might be the least OL friendly QB in the league in that regard.
I look at the teams we're playing and think which QB would our DE's be able to pin their ears back on an all-out rush without concern for scramble.
Eli is no doubt a part of the problem right now - but how much is debatable.
I think the state of the OL and his complete lack of mobility are just creating a perfect storm of shit.
I don't know how many QB's can succeed with zero semblance of a rushing attack and pass protection this poor. Not to mention key drops by guys like Marshall.
Eli has to be better - but he's in a hell of a situation right now. Nothing around him is helping him.
It varies by week. I thought Eli sucked week one. But his skill players let him down week two. I don't blame him for the Lions game at all.
RE: So exactly which QB's in the league could give them what they want
BB doesn't force the players to fit his system. He adjusts to match the strengths and weaknesses of what he has.
You can't fit a square peg in a round hole. If you as a play caller or architect on one side of the ball can't adjust then you aren't going to last long in the league.
RE: i would not be shocjed if this eli's last year
place higher expectations on Eli not overcoming teams deficiencies to their suiting rather than looking inward to why they continue to field a team with those obvious deficiencies.
But overall I was encouraged by what I saw from Eli on Monday. I don't think he's regressed all that much. But I do think the environment around him with protection and nonexistent running game have eroded a great deal.
Interesting point about Eli. Just out of curiosity which QB's would win a playoff spot with the Giants OL?
I still have hope that Eli can continue to figure out how to improve this O, but I don't think it's without reason to suggest that a more mobile QB like a Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers, who also have line issues, would be better able to cope than Eli has been able to.
Sadly, it seems that it is likely. With a roster bonus of $5 MM due on the 3rd day of the league year on top of a salary of $10 MM, the organization might opt to take the cap hit and move on. Of course, the smear campaign has started for some time. Reese will finally have the chance to get his guy, if he survives this season.
BB doesn't force the players to fit his system. He adjusts to match the strengths and weaknesses of what he has.
You can't fit a square peg in a round hole. If you as a play caller or architect on one side of the ball can't adjust then you aren't going to last long in the league.
Don Shula was the same way. All that running with Csonka, Kiick, and Morris. Then he gets Marino, and starts throwing it all over the field.
Eli has been helping them overcome them for years. The sack numbers compared to the poor quality of Oline they've put in front of him are a testament to that. The ball comes out quick only the fingers get pointed at Eli for not having an upper level comp% or AVG.
how well Jerry Reese replaced the great offensive line he inherited when he took over as GM in 2007. Should be hilarious to see how he goes about replacing the quarterback he inherited.
BB doesn't force the players to fit his system. He adjusts to match the strengths and weaknesses of what he has.
You can't fit a square peg in a round hole. If you as a play caller or architect on one side of the ball can't adjust then you aren't going to last long in the league.
Don Shula was the same way. All that running with Csonka, Kiick, and Morris. Then he gets Marino, and starts throwing it all over the field.
One of the greats. I always liked that quote about him from Bum Phillips; "He can take his'n and beat your'n and take your'n and beat his'n".
how well Jerry Reese replaced the great offensive line he inherited when he took over as GM in 2007. Should be hilarious to see how he goes about replacing the quarterback he inherited.
What's funnier - that Reese was the head of scouting when those guys (who weren't signed) were drafted? Or that it was in no way or form a 'great line'.
RE: With all the Patriots success you would think more teams would
BB doesn't force the players to fit his system. He adjusts to match the strengths and weaknesses of what he has.
You can't fit a square peg in a round hole. If you as a play caller or architect on one side of the ball can't adjust then you aren't going to last long in the league.
You are talking about a HOF coach. Not everyone possesses his art or the absolute backing of ownership and GM to do whatever he wants to do.
he is not someone that moves well in the pocket so why the hell didn't they fix the Oline issue over the last two years? They could have trading a pick for Thomas two years ago and than added more.
how well Jerry Reese replaced the great offensive line he inherited when he took over as GM in 2007. Should be hilarious to see how he goes about replacing the quarterback he inherited.
What's funnier - that Reese was the head of scouting when those guys (who weren't signed) were drafted? Or that it was in no way or form a 'great line'.
Reese drafted O'Hara and McKenzie? And that group was pretty damn good, if not great.
we scored 20 or more points 7 times. The 2015 Giants scored under 20 points 3 times all season.
You can argue that the defense in 2015 was so bad that we picked up a lot of points in garbage time, but this team can't even move the ball in freaking garbage time.
It's the same QB. We have more talent at the skill positions.
Mac needs to rethink his approach.
RE: With all the Patriots success you would think more teams would
BB doesn't force the players to fit his system. He adjusts to match the strengths and weaknesses of what he has.
You can't fit a square peg in a round hole. If you as a play caller or architect on one side of the ball can't adjust then you aren't going to last long in the league.
So Much THIS!!!
These fucking system coaches do the same thing every year. Sit at home in the winter and watch Belichick actually COACH.
He's got two stud TEs? He designs a monster 2-TE offense.
He get's Randy Moss, he blows the top off the league.
He's got a roster full of 5 foot tall hard working students of the game, he uses lots of crossing routes, miss direction, pics and settling into the soft zone. Uses his TE to stretch the defense.
The new NFL demands athleticism from the QB position. Just about all offenses now ask him to move around the pocket, buy time, and pick up yards with his feet on occasion. Eli doesn't do these things well and never has. He does other things well, but those these.
He won't get any better at them either; not at 36. A front office that has historically preferred to jettison players a year too early rather than a year too late is surely aware of this.
I think this might be Eli's last season as a Giant. Whether Davis Webb is the answer remains to be seen.
but Reese also has himself to blame for that. Three years of a terrible offensive line would make any QB that has no mobility play scared. They ruined Eli with this line, its been a cumulative effect over last few years. Reese wont lose his job over it but he absolutely should. Should have lost it a couple years ago
There's maybe three lines in football that would give Eli what he needs. There are more than three QBs that could manage this team.
My growing fear is that Mac is trying to subtly (and not so subtly) move away from eli to a type of QB like Rodgers, but guys like that don't grow on trees.
I think the state of the OL and his complete lack of mobility are just creating a perfect storm of shit.
I don't know how many QB's can succeed with zero semblance of a rushing attack and pass protection this poor. Not to mention key drops by guys like Marshall.
Eli has to be better - but he's in a hell of a situation right now. Nothing around him is helping him.
My growing fear is that Mac is trying to subtly (and not so subtly) move away from eli to a type of QB like Rodgers, but guys like that don't grow on trees.
I feel the same way as well
My growing fear is that Mac is trying to subtly (and not so subtly) move away from eli to a type of QB like Rodgers, but guys like that don't grow on trees.
Yup. But wasn't it his job to elevate Eli? Not build a shit system that only freak talent can handle?
I look at the teams we're playing and think which QB would our DE's be able to pin their ears back on an all-out rush without concern for scramble.
Prescott?
Stafford?
Wentz?
Winston?
Rivers?
Siemian?
Wilson?
Goff?
Hoyer?
Smith?
Cousins?
Carr?
Palmer?
I think the state of the OL and his complete lack of mobility are just creating a perfect storm of shit.
I don't know how many QB's can succeed with zero semblance of a rushing attack and pass protection this poor. Not to mention key drops by guys like Marshall.
Eli has to be better - but he's in a hell of a situation right now. Nothing around him is helping him.
It varies by week. I thought Eli sucked week one. But his skill players let him down week two. I don't blame him for the Lions game at all.
For about half a season Russell Wilson. Of course, after he went on IR the question arises who would finish the season.
BB doesn't force the players to fit his system. He adjusts to match the strengths and weaknesses of what he has.
You can't fit a square peg in a round hole. If you as a play caller or architect on one side of the ball can't adjust then you aren't going to last long in the league.
as a giant
I still have hope that Eli can continue to figure out how to improve this O, but I don't think it's without reason to suggest that a more mobile QB like a Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers, who also have line issues, would be better able to cope than Eli has been able to.
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Sadly, it seems that it is likely. With a roster bonus of $5 MM due on the 3rd day of the league year on top of a salary of $10 MM, the organization might opt to take the cap hit and move on. Of course, the smear campaign has started for some time. Reese will finally have the chance to get his guy, if he survives this season.
BB doesn't force the players to fit his system. He adjusts to match the strengths and weaknesses of what he has.
You can't fit a square peg in a round hole. If you as a play caller or architect on one side of the ball can't adjust then you aren't going to last long in the league.
Don Shula was the same way. All that running with Csonka, Kiick, and Morris. Then he gets Marino, and starts throwing it all over the field.
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BB doesn't force the players to fit his system. He adjusts to match the strengths and weaknesses of what he has.
You can't fit a square peg in a round hole. If you as a play caller or architect on one side of the ball can't adjust then you aren't going to last long in the league.
Don Shula was the same way. All that running with Csonka, Kiick, and Morris. Then he gets Marino, and starts throwing it all over the field.
One of the greats. I always liked that quote about him from Bum Phillips; "He can take his'n and beat your'n and take your'n and beat his'n".
What's funnier - that Reese was the head of scouting when those guys (who weren't signed) were drafted? Or that it was in no way or form a 'great line'.
BB doesn't force the players to fit his system. He adjusts to match the strengths and weaknesses of what he has.
You can't fit a square peg in a round hole. If you as a play caller or architect on one side of the ball can't adjust then you aren't going to last long in the league.
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how well Jerry Reese replaced the great offensive line he inherited when he took over as GM in 2007. Should be hilarious to see how he goes about replacing the quarterback he inherited.
What's funnier - that Reese was the head of scouting when those guys (who weren't signed) were drafted? Or that it was in no way or form a 'great line'.
Reese drafted O'Hara and McKenzie? And that group was pretty damn good, if not great.
You can argue that the defense in 2015 was so bad that we picked up a lot of points in garbage time, but this team can't even move the ball in freaking garbage time.
It's the same QB. We have more talent at the skill positions.
Mac needs to rethink his approach.
BB doesn't force the players to fit his system. He adjusts to match the strengths and weaknesses of what he has.
You can't fit a square peg in a round hole. If you as a play caller or architect on one side of the ball can't adjust then you aren't going to last long in the league.
So Much THIS!!!
These fucking system coaches do the same thing every year. Sit at home in the winter and watch Belichick actually COACH.
He's got two stud TEs? He designs a monster 2-TE offense.
He get's Randy Moss, he blows the top off the league.
He's got a roster full of 5 foot tall hard working students of the game, he uses lots of crossing routes, miss direction, pics and settling into the soft zone. Uses his TE to stretch the defense.
He won't get any better at them either; not at 36. A front office that has historically preferred to jettison players a year too early rather than a year too late is surely aware of this.
I think this might be Eli's last season as a Giant. Whether Davis Webb is the answer remains to be seen.