"Eli Manning is the biggest problem with the New York Giants' ailing offense"
They argue he's been in constant decline since 2011, and his biggest weakness - the short pass game - is the stress of McAdoo's system. The author also indicated Alex Smith would be a fine replacement in regards to a system fit QB.
To me, the question that arises is why McAdoo was brought in at all if Eli's strengths aren't brought to the fore and his weaknesses are highlighted. The next question is, is Eli in an even more precarious situation than was thought in terms of his longevity as a NY Giant, given his lack of fit for this offense. Who is more expendable: Mac or Eli?
Was he full of shit then or now
Any coach that values the system over the talent he has will not have long-term success.
Any coach that values the system over the talent he has will not have long-term success.
Agreed 100%.
A good coach evaluates the talent he has and devises a scheme/game plan that best utilizes those talents. He doesn't try to fit the talent into his system like a square peg into a round hole.
My offense is one where I want a QB that is able to run for his life because I want shitty offensive linemen.
My offense is one where I want a QB that is able to run for his life because I want shitty offensive linemen.
I think they're saying it has more to do with his underneath passing game more than mobility per se.
I posted in another thread that the idea the NFL is moving towards mobile QB's isn't really true. The top QB's are mainly pocket passers. Ryan, Brady, Brees, Ben R., Palmer, Dalton, etc.
If Johnny has the balls, he needs to shit can both after the season.
The system is fine. The offense is struggling because the line isn't doing a good job protecting Eli, so DBs can afford to sit on routes and make tackles to limit the damage.
Exactly, and that's what I've been saying about Mara and/or Reese being sold a bill of goods.
Also, in his first season a OC, didn't they work on Elis foot work and roll him out a lot? Or am I just getting old and misremembering?
Any coach that values the system over the talent he has will not have long-term success.
Indeed. Can you imagine if Belichick was that stubborn and inflexible?
I'm also not buying the Giants leading the league in separation last year when they gave 73% of their snaps to Victor Cruz and some of the numbers from both FO and Fahey run directly contrary, but it wouldn't be the first time their charting was weird lately.
Was he full of shit then or now
First of all, what did you expect him to say? That's a canned answer just like 90% of all answers at all press conferences are, regardless of industry.
And when has BMc said anything since then to contradict that original statement?
Did your reading comprehension suck then or now?
You're not gonna come in here and challenge our two time SB winning QB. He's the golden child of this organization. If McAdoo is a good coach he'll make the adjustments that helps Eli. If not see ya.
Always has had problems running screens even swing passes
struggles with dump offs throwing at there feet .
I never felt this style of offense suited Eli .
this year he is finally throwing the long ball instead of just check downs and is having huge success
That was Tom Coughlins offense. Since Mac installed his offense the offense has sucked ass.
My offense is one where I want a QB that is able to run for his life because I want shitty offensive linemen.
I agree with you Robbie that his lack of mobility is not "THE PROBLEM". What I will say is that a mobile QB creates additional opportunities for the offense and makes it more difficult for other teams to defend. How many times have we discussed the need to contain the other QB making sure he does not kill is with his legs picking up first downs?
Granted, the offensive line isn't exactly the best for passing downfield, but my lord Ben Mc is a stubborn MFer
Is Eli missing guys? Absolutely. But he's taking a beating these last 18 games in an offense that gives him no chance to succeed. He's a sitting duck back there.
Friggin' Brandon Marshall drops a perfect pass down the sideline. Later, the announcers talk about how awesome the defense was when he had the ball knocked away in the end zone, but maybe if he'd turned and actually fought for the friggin' ball things would have been different. Seriously - with all that went wrong in that game, if Marshall had come up big on those two plays, the result might have been different. (Was that shit effort on a pass to Eli's left near the LOS this game, too? I recall there being room to run if that had been caught.)
I try hard not to be an alarmist, but if there's anyone available out there who can significantly help the o-line, Reese must be aggressive in obtaining him before this season slips away.
I had high hopes for this season. So very, very frustrated and disappointed...
I posted in another thread that the idea the NFL is moving towards mobile QB's isn't really true. The top QB's are mainly pocket passers. Ryan, Brady, Brees, Ben R., Palmer, Dalton, etc. [/quote]
That's a little misleading Fats. First of all, on what planet are Andy Dalton and Carson Palmer "top QB's"? And all of them are on the wrong side of 30. If you look at the younger crop of starting QB's, the trend definitely favors more mobility.
Eli's completion % has been in the low 60's since the WCO was implemented, which is fine. His first 2 years in this offense, he threw for almost 9,000 yards, 65 TD's and only 28 INT's. What changed? His pass pro got much worse. It is the protection that is the problem.
This part of our game has sucked for years, and I think Eli's touch on the short pass is part of the reason why. I don't understand McAdoo's scheme enough to know if this is a major part of its design, but if so, it makes sense to say that Eli isn't a good fit for the scheme.
Some will say "then why was he good in 2014-2015?", and I'll respond by saying that maybe defenses were figuring out the best way to defend the McAdoo offense. Or maybe the threat of OBJ caused defenses to adjust, taking away the best part of Eli's game.
Either way, it's not a bad idea to say that Eli is still a very talented QB but maybe a bad fit for this system. I'm not sure.
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Where Eli was unreal in this system behind an equally bad OL and less talent on the rest of the offense? Who the fuck would want Alex Smith over him?
That was Tom Coughlins offense. Since Mac installed his offense the offense has sucked ass.
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Where Eli was unreal in this system behind an equally bad OL and less talent on the rest of the offense? Who the fuck would want Alex Smith over him?
That was Tom Coughlins offense. Since Mac installed his offense the offense has sucked ass.
2014 and 2015 were not Cougblin's offense. They were a WCO installed by McAdoo.