detailing their lack of athleticism to fit their position needs.
I went back and looked at the combine data to verify this guy's hypothesis, and sure enough, Flowers and Hart were pretty low compared to comparable starters and pro bowlers at the same position.
Makes me even angrier that we wasted the 9th overall pick on Flowers, he lacks athleticism and has no technique, he simply lacks talent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFyNcogwZog&t=535s - (
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Our OL = pussies - ( New Window )
Ziggy Vs LaFleur - ( New Window )
Reese and Ross suck
Spags coached an awful defense in 2015. Then they added Snacks, Vernon, and Jenkins and the D suddenly turned around. McAdoo now has the worst offensive line in football and the offense is terrible. Without a good or average offensive line this team has no shot. Giants defense in 2015 was historically bad, Spags didn't get fired which was the correct decision. He simply had very little talent to work with. If the giants just signed Jenkins last year they never would have been 11-5 or close to it because the defensive line would have been a weakness.
Reese is the one that should lose his job over this mess. He built this offensive line and then doubled down on the offensive line by going dumpster diving only last offseason for olineman.
Paulie Walnuts : 12:17 am : link : reply
I wanted a OL back then
Reese and Ross suck
Be interesting how he pans out Tennessee smoked us taking
Conklin
1:51 in - take a look at this play. The commentary is focused in Flowers not having the strength to hold off Ansah but on the same play Pugh absolutely gets destroyed by the other end. Every player has bad plays but that makes me think there are no capable tackles on the Giants roster right now.
Isn't that the play where Hart hurt his ankle? Or was he already playing with a bum ankle at that point? You can kind of see him reach down to his ankle at the very end of that play.
Don't bet on that. For some reason Reese seems teflon. And I think the Maras might be a little too stubborn to cut MAC so fast since they put on a show interviewing other candidates for the position.
Reese invests 2 first round picks and a second, and all of them are
Subpar. That's on him, it's time to pay the piper.
This is the shit that is indefensible. Despite his technique flaws, we are reminded that Ereck is strong, mean, and nasty. In these examples, Ereck gets lifted off the ground and bullied. Ziggy is a skilled pass rusher, but he is not some freak of nature that should be able to ragdoll a man of Ereck's size.
Combine, NFLdraftscout.com, Flowers was combination of nfldraftscout.com and his other data was actually tweeted out by someone else. I need to find that guy's account again. But Flowers' data was compared to all OL data at Combine since 1999.
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If this dude starts sunday Bennie Boy deserves to be fired. Ziggy Vs LaFleur - ( New Window )
This is the shit that is indefensible. Despite his technique flaws, we are reminded that Ereck is strong, mean, and nasty. In these examples, Ereck gets lifted off the ground and bullied. Ziggy is a skilled pass rusher, but he is not some freak of nature that should be able to ragdoll a man of Ereck's size.
This is the part that I have mentioned a number of times that absolutely kills me. It is also why I don't understand what the Giants are thinking with him. His best attributes are size and strength but because of his shitty technique and poor athleticism that gets negated. He allows guys to get under his pads on the bull rush. He over extends allowing guys to knock his hands off or down and his head immediately follows them and thus has no ability to move or redirect his man. This guy does about everything possible wrong and his strengths are non-existent because of the flaws mentioned.. It is pathetic and sad to see.
Last night Michael Irvin called out Eli for poor throws etc. but Marshall Fault said Eli will continue to struggle if the Giants keep using Ereck Flowers at LT. He is a HUGE liability and everyone sees it.
Again, strength is great but if you play in such a way that you negate strength then the bench press numbers are meaningless.
i.e. 'the water flowed over the threshold'
with
"average"
(half way to the ceiling, usually, or as a lazy visual reference)
I have been arguing against this pick since day 1. I hate the supporting statements of he is only 22, 23 years old.. Who cares... He was drafted when he was drafted. he is now in his 3rd year as a starter. He has regressed. He has shown nothing that makes me think the light bulb will go on. He is a bad LT and quite possibly a bust as an Oline draft pick- period. Let alone 9th of the first rd!
On each of those plays, Ansah gets his hands inside Flowers. That is bad technique by Flowers. That of course makes it easier to get Flowers off balance, and even lift him off the ground. On the third sack, Ansah simply swats at Flowers to get by him. Flowers can't recover because his feet are too slow.
Defensive Linesmen have been greater and greater in terms of the size/athleticism combination for years. More and more true athlete types within that large set.
Ergo - you now need to have those very unusual athletic and huge O linesmen as well, the trend forces your investment here.
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for a while now. Go to the 3:42 mark of this video and watch our right tackle. The defender throws him back at least three yards on his ass and makes the tackle. Our OL = pussies - ( New Window )
Isn't that the play where Hart hurt his ankle? Or was he already playing with a bum ankle at that point? You can kind of see him reach down to his ankle at the very end of that play.
Of course it was. And nobody has ever said anything negative about Hart's strength. He has limited foot speed but is very strong and that is why he is best suited for guard. Put Hart at guard over Jerry and the running game improves.
someone posted that GIF from dallas game.
Richburg, Jerry and Hart looked as if, on one play, they had practiced hard all summer 'how to not touch a DL.'
Richburg literally scooted around his man, Jerry the same, slid to open the gap, and Hart got knocked over by a DLers little finger. All on one play.
Its as if DLs have herpies, aids, the plague and bad breath all at once and our guys just cannot be associated with them.
When you hear Marshall Newhouse is killing it out west it makes you think it may be coaching.