As a multi-decade Giants fan, I don't recall seeing a more inept offensive unit than this one. The Giants have receiver quality that exceeds any receiving group I can recall. The most impressive RB, Darkwa, is sent in to make limited cameo appearances each game so that the HC's announced starter can Play. Any RB rhythm is impossible. And, of course, the OL, despite increasing experience and familiarity with one another, has become the weakest unit since Fran Tarkenton had to scramble for his life on weak NYG teams a half century ago. Eli is a great long ball guy whose dink and dunk passes are often poor throws.
Apparently, McAdoo brought Mike Solari over from Green Bay. Looking at Solari's resume on Wikipedia, it doesn't seem that he's been OL coach at any team for too long. What exactly is Solari doing--or not doing--to at least keep the OL from getting worse instead of better? Is Solari there because he's a good yes man? It's incomprehensible how the same unit is playing worse. Why is McAdoo so stubborn in keeping Flowers at LT (versus RT) and where is the TE and FB help? One wonders if McAdoo sees a different reality out there, but his reality has created an offensive unit averaging a puddly 13 points over the equivalent of half a season.
Such is to digress. As to the regression, my guess is that these guys don't take enough pre-season snaps together. Add a HC's benign neglect of the running game. Complete the toxic mix with a fading quarterback whose paranoia feeds and amplifies the line's lack of identity. Where Solari fits in I cannot tell. But what is without doubt is Flowers played better his rookie season injured against a more difficult schedule than he did last season. Draw your own conclusions.
Reese convinced ownership that his players had awesome potential and that Coughlin wasn't playing them enough. TC was forced to get rid of Kevin Gilbride regardless of the fact that he'd helped us to win two Super Bowls. Coughlin was later shown the door. The same door that some idiots are now wanting to show Eli. Regardless of the fact that he's won two Super Bowl MVPs.
I would love to hire Scott Pioli & Dave Gettleman very very soon so that they can get to work and hit the ground running. Show that door to the folks who really do deserve to GTFO of town. Reese & Ross need to go. Chris Mara needs to be demoted and given an office in the basement. Get this train back on track.
If it were me I would fire McAdoo and bring in Kevin Gilbride Senior as HC to finish what he'd started.
I have no idea what the hell has happened. His play has been beyond our worst nightmare.
I would use our top resources finally once and for all as we've heard about before. John Mara has called for it before and it has been ignored. Reese needs to go and we need to sign the best free agent Left Tackle on the market and the best free agent Left Guard on the market. Make a new veteran combo on the left protecting Eli's blind side. Sign a swing tackle who could possibly start on the right if Flowers can't candle it for some reason. Draft an OT in the first round and have him on deck as well. Start Jones at Center and Fluker at RG. Draft a Center and a Guard. Blow it up and start over, basically.
Such is to digress. As to the regression, my guess is that these guys don't take enough pre-season snaps together. Add a HC's benign neglect of the running game. Complete the toxic mix with a fading quarterback whose paranoia feeds and amplifies the line's lack of identity. Where Solari fits in I cannot tell. But what is without doubt is Flowers played better his rookie season injured against a more difficult schedule than he did last season. Draw your own conclusions.
Where have you gone Gordon King? A nation turns its lonely eyes to you
Reese convinced ownership that his players had awesome potential and that Coughlin wasn't playing them enough. TC was forced to get rid of Kevin Gilbride regardless of the fact that he'd helped us to win two Super Bowls. Coughlin was later shown the door. The same door that some idiots are now wanting to show Eli. Regardless of the fact that he's won two Super Bowl MVPs.
I would love to hire Scott Pioli & Dave Gettleman very very soon so that they can get to work and hit the ground running. Show that door to the folks who really do deserve to GTFO of town. Reese & Ross need to go. Chris Mara needs to be demoted and given an office in the basement. Get this train back on track.
If it were me I would fire McAdoo and bring in Kevin Gilbride Senior as HC to finish what he'd started.
Solid points but those mid round picks may or may not have been better spent on OL. That's hardly the reason anyone should be fired. The pattern I see more than anything else is the mid rounders aren't working out at the rate we need them to, regardless of position.
As for your Eli comment, I'm not ready to show him the door, but that door is closing. I see no reason to not move on from him after 2018 but maybe he bounces back and would sign for a much smaller deal.
The game is changing and we are behind the curve in the OL/QB changes. It happens.
I would use our top resources finally once and for all as we've heard about before. John Mara has called for it before and it has been ignored. Reese needs to go and we need to sign the best free agent Left Tackle on the market and the best free agent Left Guard on the market. Make a new veteran combo on the left protecting Eli's blind side. Sign a swing tackle who could possibly start on the right if Flowers can't candle it for some reason. Draft an OT in the first round and have him on deck as well. Start Jones at Center and Fluker at RG. Draft a Center and a Guard. Blow it up and start over, basically.
There are not many better options on the FA market than Pugh and Richburg next year, and you can't draft five new starters.
Why is the O Line bad, that s the complicated part. Is it talent, coaching, poor quarterback play.
Truth is we don t really know. All we see is the line is bad. But in the end if it doesn't t get fixed the GM and coaching staff will be held responsible
As to Eli, quarterbacks get too much credit when they win,, so they have to take more of the game when they lose.
8 games without scoring 20 pts. That s pathetic in today s NFL. Quarterback has to take some responsibility.
Richburg is not dominating but the snaps are always good,not like the other guys who bounced them all preaseason, and he get out in space well. Not sure how much he will comand but think a big time rg next to him will help
I realize that there are some QBs and some times even good QBs create sacks by holding the ball too long or scrambling into the defenders, but I don't see that being a problem with this offensive line.
...no running game which leads to:
...defenses playing 2 deep safeties all day long which leads to:
...defenses only needing to rush 4 which leads to:
...defenses not blitzing and flooding the passing lanes which leads to:
...the QB only having 1.5 to 2 seconds to find a target
...and top it off, you have the most immobile QB on the planet who just makes it all worse.
...and a head coach who's play calling is horrible
...and we haven't played anybody with a great defense yet and those games will be disasters.
This season is already over and it isn't even October yet. I can say that because this OL hasn't improved in years, and Eli is getting slower and even more immobile. Not to mention he's playing scared and its now obvious to everybody. His head is screwed up enough now that his career is really in question if he stays in NY. The money spent on the skilled positions on offense won't have any effect unless the OL gets changed (i.e all the practice in the world won't change anything).
If you searched through the archives of BBI, I think you would find over the years I have been a huge Eli guy, still am.
But just like I didn t want to think Simms was done, there are many guys in this place that will feel the same about Eli. Not saying he s nearing the end, just saying I don t know.
Giants organization are not satisfied with his play. They must have some rational thought behind that ooinion
That does not mean Eli makes the OL worse, but he has little ability to move around the pocket anymore to take pressure off the OL. It's all interrelated...but my thought is if you have a shakey OL...you need a QB that can escape. Eli is a pocket passer on a team that can rarely give him a pocket.
Good plan.
Now what do you do when the rest of the league doesn't allow good linemen hit free agency? Because they don't. If the price of these guards has not indicated it, linemen that can play are becoming as rare a commodity as there is in the sport.
Also, loss of confidence and maybe some guys have lost their hunger for the game ... just a payday.
I would use our top resources finally once and for all as we've heard about before. John Mara has called for it before and it has been ignored. Reese needs to go and we need to sign the best free agent Left Tackle on the market and the best free agent Left Guard on the market. Make a new veteran combo on the left protecting Eli's blind side. Sign a swing tackle who could possibly start on the right if Flowers can't candle it for some reason. Draft an OT in the first round and have him on deck as well. Start Jones at Center and Fluker at RG. Draft a Center and a Guard. Blow it up and start over, basically.
I would actually do the opposite, get rid of everyone bu RB and Pugh. Those are the only two NFL players we have on the OL. I think Pugh has been really good. He's been forced to play multiple positions but always come through well.
Not something to be taken casually. Their best free agent options were 35 year old tackles and players with a history of not being particularly good, or even coming off bad years who got a ton money. Or trading what would likely be a package starting with a 1st or 2nd round pick.
Fans can be quick to mortgage, but that's actually kind of a huge risk, especially considering the Giants history with free agent linemen falling apart from injuries in recent years.
I like Eli. I think he is largely underrated and undeserving of the criticism he has gotten over the years. Still, logic tells me that
they aren't hitching another new wagon to a 37 year old QB that is clearly on the decline.
If this ship goes down it's likely taking everybody with it, and I think Reese is in big big trouble.
who is the only guy out there he has any real experience throwing to? SS.......
Marshall and him are definitely not on the same page.....
Eli took the blame for the int, stating he did not realize how fast Double E was....which may or may not be true....what is true though is how many passes has he thrown to him in games thus far.....same with Ellison.....
He may have new weapons, but there are just too many guys he is throwing to, that he has not had a lot of experience with....That just doesn't happen playing a couple quarters in preseason.....
Eli has a high %....but it's those crucial 3rd down passes, to guys he is just not comfortable throwing to yet....