his pride and figure out what Coughlin offensive principles which were applied up to 2015, can be revisited now, so that Eli can get back to what was his statistical peak.
I know, I know, the OL is worse this season, but the 2015 OL was not exactly a brick wall. Maybe with some re-shuffling or benching Flowers the OL can make gains to decency at a minimum.
It should also be noted that the personnel at the skill positions is far better this season than it was in 2015. Maybe this offense isnt capable of going toe to toe in a shootout with the Saints in the Superdome, as they did in 2015, but logically it should be capable of so much more than what we've seen the first few weeks.
his pride and figure out what Coughlin offensive principles which were applied up to 2015, can be revisited now, so that Eli can get back to what was his statistical peak.
I know, I know, the OL is worse this season, but the 2015 OL was not exactly a brick wall. Maybe with some re-shuffling or benching Flowers the OL can make gains to decency at a minimum.
It should also be noted that the personnel at the skill positions is far better this season than it was in 2015. Maybe this offense isnt capable of going toe to toe in a shootout with the Saints in the Superdome, as they did in 2015, but logically it should be capable of so much more than what we've seen the first few weeks.
Without OB, opposing Ds have no fear of the deep ball or even a big play. He is the key, like Plax was in 2008 in keeping the safties honest and not allowing teams to stack the box. Of course, that O line was miles better than this one. This Oline gets beat easily by 4 man fronts so it's all probably moot anyway.
mention is worthless as many times we were trailing and had to pass, pass, pass to stay in the game. Plus, we also played a historically bad Saints defense that allowed us to put up 49 (and still lose). Again, if we could have run the ball we would have been far better off.
This whole offense is broken. We have lots of shiny parts but the engine, the drive train train is a mess!
mention is worthless as many times we were trailing and had to pass, pass, pass to stay in the game. Plus, we also played a historically bad Saints defense that allowed us to put up 49 (and still lose). Again, if we could have run the ball we would have been far better off.
This whole offense is broken. We have lots of shiny parts but the engine, the drive train train is a mess!
The 30 point mention is not worthless, IMO. We've never hit that number in McAdoo's offense since he took over as head coach.
Considering we lost to a team in the playoffs that scored 38 on us, I see it as significant that we can't hit that number to keep pace if needed.
Shanahan and McVay do both duties and put up much better performances. I really don't think McAdoo is this offensive guru he is made out to be.
I think this is becoming increasingly clear, unfortunately. I also don't think he's getting much help from Sullivan either though. If not for OBJs heroics, what offense gave you seen from this team the past 4 years?
"It's not particularly surprising that the Giants rank near the bottom of the NFL in rushing yards. But it's shocking that their defense has allowed 267 yards rushing, which ranks 28th in the NFL. "
pillow soft. It is all finesse and it is not even good at that.
The inability to run the ball predates McAdoo as HC. Since McAdoo has taken over this offense is the worst in the league. The main argument of giving McAdoo the job was to keep offensive continuity with Eli and the offense.
So far, this plan has so far been an unmitigated disaster. The offense under head coach Ben McAdoo has been historically bad. This in an NFL where all offense is inflated. There is every reason to believe right now that making McAdoo HC was a big mistake.
The counter-argument is the eleven win campaign last year. This is not something to be discounted lightly. But, there is a large stench of possible fluke on that season. The defense was great last year and carried the team. This, no one would question. From my following of the team it also seems to be a given that McAdoo has next to nothing to do with the defense.
Hopefully the team turns it around this week. If the Giants fall to 0 - 3, and the offense still looks like the league worst. I think it is certainly time to panic on this head coach.
RE: I have no idea why there was so much optimism for this season....
I must admit I drank some of the kool-aid. Especially when Cruz, Jennings, and Donnell were gone and could not even secure backup jobs on any other team in the NFL. I figured upgrading these areas to even competence would improve the O, and I still think this defense is good enough to make some noise if the offense was not the league's worst.
I expected to at least compete for a division title.
The season is young and hoepfully things are not as bad as they seem. But, I am not joking when I say to my eyes this offense is league worst. Everyone scores, EVERYONE, especially against weaker defenses and Dallas and the Lions are likely to finish as league averages defenses this year. The stat repeated in this article that the Giants have not scored twenty points in eight games, while the next longest streak of ineptitude I think is two, is incredibly telling. To me, since McAdoo was given the top seat, the Giants have regressed to being the worst offense in the NFL.
Well we saw this coming thru the poor OL camp reviews and 3 preseason games. I'm as disappointed as anyone, but to say I'm surprised would be not true.
mention is worthless as many times we were trailing and had to pass, pass, pass to stay in the game. Plus, we also played a historically bad Saints defense that allowed us to put up 49 (and still lose). Again, if we could have run the ball we would have been far better off.
This whole offense is broken. We have lots of shiny parts but the engine, the drive train train is a mess!
The 30 point mention is not worthless, IMO. We've never hit that number in McAdoo's offense since he took over as head coach.
Considering we lost to a team in the playoffs that scored 38 on us, I see it as significant that we can't hit that number to keep pace if needed.
No, my point is that number then was pointless. It wasn't a sign of good offense. In fact, if you look closely at it there were defensive pieces mixed in there. This offense has not been consistently good period! Not then and not now.
5 guys can handle 4 guys we will continue to see the BS each week.
IT's also coaching. How bad were the 1992 Giants? They were a train wreck. One year later they had Dallas on the ropes and won a playoff game. The major difference between both the 92 and 93 teams was the HC.
Well we saw this coming thru the poor OL camp reviews and 3 preseason games. I'm as disappointed as anyone, but to say I'm surprised would be not true.
And when the o-line was showing leakage, the fans who brought it were told that preseason games don't matter and to wait for the regular season. It's as if the poor blocking would suddenly stop and good blocking would take over.
But as we've seen in previous years now and its just adding on, the o-line leaky performance in the preseason has carried over into the real games and these are the results.
Wait. Are you seriously saying that one playoff loss, at Green Bay, was enough for you to throw in the towel on this season? You cannot be serious. They won 9 of their last 11 regular season games so you must be talking about the playoff game alone. What a ridiculous conclusion based off of one game.
RE: RE: I have no idea why there was so much optimism for this season....
Wait. Are you seriously saying that one playoff loss, at Green Bay, was enough for you to throw in the towel on this season? You cannot be serious. They won 9 of their last 11 regular season games so you must be talking about the playoff game alone. What a ridiculous conclusion based off of one game.
No, it was the 6 games without scoring 20 points leading up to it that caused my concern (well documented on BBI last year), along with dropping from 6th in the NFL in scoring to 26th in the NFL overall. Writing was on the wall. Still is.
with -very- low overall numbers in runs for 3rd down conversion and
very low numbers in runs for touchdowns.
So, its been blatantly obvious what we needed to do for any number of years.....
you simply cannot sit there and assume or pretend that the game has changed in order to justify what you did or did not do
I know, I know, the OL is worse this season, but the 2015 OL was not exactly a brick wall. Maybe with some re-shuffling or benching Flowers the OL can make gains to decency at a minimum.
It should also be noted that the personnel at the skill positions is far better this season than it was in 2015. Maybe this offense isnt capable of going toe to toe in a shootout with the Saints in the Superdome, as they did in 2015, but logically it should be capable of so much more than what we've seen the first few weeks.
I know, I know, the OL is worse this season, but the 2015 OL was not exactly a brick wall. Maybe with some re-shuffling or benching Flowers the OL can make gains to decency at a minimum.
It should also be noted that the personnel at the skill positions is far better this season than it was in 2015. Maybe this offense isnt capable of going toe to toe in a shootout with the Saints in the Superdome, as they did in 2015, but logically it should be capable of so much more than what we've seen the first few weeks.
Without OB, opposing Ds have no fear of the deep ball or even a big play. He is the key, like Plax was in 2008 in keeping the safties honest and not allowing teams to stack the box. Of course, that O line was miles better than this one. This Oline gets beat easily by 4 man fronts so it's all probably moot anyway.
This whole offense is broken. We have lots of shiny parts but the engine, the drive train train is a mess!
This whole offense is broken. We have lots of shiny parts but the engine, the drive train train is a mess!
The 30 point mention is not worthless, IMO. We've never hit that number in McAdoo's offense since he took over as head coach.
Considering we lost to a team in the playoffs that scored 38 on us, I see it as significant that we can't hit that number to keep pace if needed.
I think this is becoming increasingly clear, unfortunately. I also don't think he's getting much help from Sullivan either though. If not for OBJs heroics, what offense gave you seen from this team the past 4 years?
"Number 7 will have you in tears"
Crazy
I never had it.
The inability to run the ball predates McAdoo as HC. Since McAdoo has taken over this offense is the worst in the league. The main argument of giving McAdoo the job was to keep offensive continuity with Eli and the offense.
So far, this plan has so far been an unmitigated disaster. The offense under head coach Ben McAdoo has been historically bad. This in an NFL where all offense is inflated. There is every reason to believe right now that making McAdoo HC was a big mistake.
The counter-argument is the eleven win campaign last year. This is not something to be discounted lightly. But, there is a large stench of possible fluke on that season. The defense was great last year and carried the team. This, no one would question. From my following of the team it also seems to be a given that McAdoo has next to nothing to do with the defense.
Hopefully the team turns it around this week. If the Giants fall to 0 - 3, and the offense still looks like the league worst. I think it is certainly time to panic on this head coach.
I never had it.
I must admit I drank some of the kool-aid. Especially when Cruz, Jennings, and Donnell were gone and could not even secure backup jobs on any other team in the NFL. I figured upgrading these areas to even competence would improve the O, and I still think this defense is good enough to make some noise if the offense was not the league's worst.
I expected to at least compete for a division title.
The season is young and hoepfully things are not as bad as they seem. But, I am not joking when I say to my eyes this offense is league worst. Everyone scores, EVERYONE, especially against weaker defenses and Dallas and the Lions are likely to finish as league averages defenses this year. The stat repeated in this article that the Giants have not scored twenty points in eight games, while the next longest streak of ineptitude I think is two, is incredibly telling. To me, since McAdoo was given the top seat, the Giants have regressed to being the worst offense in the NFL.
"Number 7 will have you in tears"
It does have me in tears though
I never had it.
To me all the optimism relied upon an unknown.
"They'll be good...IF the OL is better".
Well we saw this coming thru the poor OL camp reviews and 3 preseason games. I'm as disappointed as anyone, but to say I'm surprised would be not true.
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mention is worthless as many times we were trailing and had to pass, pass, pass to stay in the game. Plus, we also played a historically bad Saints defense that allowed us to put up 49 (and still lose). Again, if we could have run the ball we would have been far better off.
This whole offense is broken. We have lots of shiny parts but the engine, the drive train train is a mess!
The 30 point mention is not worthless, IMO. We've never hit that number in McAdoo's offense since he took over as head coach.
Considering we lost to a team in the playoffs that scored 38 on us, I see it as significant that we can't hit that number to keep pace if needed.
No, my point is that number then was pointless. It wasn't a sign of good offense. In fact, if you look closely at it there were defensive pieces mixed in there. This offense has not been consistently good period! Not then and not now.
IT's also coaching. How bad were the 1992 Giants? They were a train wreck. One year later they had Dallas on the ropes and won a playoff game. The major difference between both the 92 and 93 teams was the HC.
"Number 7 will have you in tears"
LOL.........that's what I was thinking.
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considering how last season ended.
I never had it.
To me all the optimism relied upon an unknown.
"They'll be good...IF the OL is better".
Well we saw this coming thru the poor OL camp reviews and 3 preseason games. I'm as disappointed as anyone, but to say I'm surprised would be not true.
And when the o-line was showing leakage, the fans who brought it were told that preseason games don't matter and to wait for the regular season. It's as if the poor blocking would suddenly stop and good blocking would take over.
But as we've seen in previous years now and its just adding on, the o-line leaky performance in the preseason has carried over into the real games and these are the results.
That is number of completions on 3rd down, not resulting in first downs...
I never had it.
Wait. Are you seriously saying that one playoff loss, at Green Bay, was enough for you to throw in the towel on this season? You cannot be serious. They won 9 of their last 11 regular season games so you must be talking about the playoff game alone. What a ridiculous conclusion based off of one game.
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considering how last season ended.
I never had it.
Wait. Are you seriously saying that one playoff loss, at Green Bay, was enough for you to throw in the towel on this season? You cannot be serious. They won 9 of their last 11 regular season games so you must be talking about the playoff game alone. What a ridiculous conclusion based off of one game.
No, it was the 6 games without scoring 20 points leading up to it that caused my concern (well documented on BBI last year), along with dropping from 6th in the NFL in scoring to 26th in the NFL overall. Writing was on the wall. Still is.
All it means is
CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!!!