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Los Angeles Rams Offense: Andrew Whitworth

LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/22/2017 9:31 am
The 5 years the Los Angeles Rams played under Jeff Fisher, the Rams only scored more than 40 points twice.

In 3 games under NEW headcoach McVay, they already matched that total.

What's new this year? Replacing first round bust Greg Robinson at left tackle with Andrew Whitworth. This isn't meant to be a "Jerry Reese sux thread", but just wanted to point out to those how badly Flowers impacts our offense to those who say it's broken or Eli sucks.

We desperately need to get Eli some help.
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The biggest change  
UConn4523 : 9/22/2017 9:57 am : link
was a great new young HC and year 2 for their QB. Whitworth certainly helps, as does Watkins stretching the field.
RE: The biggest change  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/22/2017 9:58 am : link
In comment 13610594 UConn4523 said:
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was a great new young HC and year 2 for their QB. Whitworth certainly helps, as does Watkins stretching the field.


We just changed to a new young HC last year, we haven't cracked 30 points once. I'm thinking it's the o-line that is the biggest change.
And no one on this board  
UConn4523 : 9/22/2017 9:58 am : link
didn't want Whitworth due to his price. It was his agar and price combination, and the thought of investing that much in a guy who can de line at any moment. It's a huge risk, but so is not doing anything at all so it looks like a lose lose for the Giants.
RE: I was a big proponent of signing Whitworth.  
njm : 9/22/2017 9:59 am : link
In comment 13610585 Diver_Down said:
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Some said we didn't have the money, but those same individuals won't have a problem throwing money at Pugh.



The Giants didn't throw a fucking dime at Pugh during Whitworth's free agency. I assume next year, when his cap hit actually becomes relevant to a discussion of free agency moves, the decision will be based on his performance in 2017, market economics and who else is available.
RE: Whitworth  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/22/2017 10:00 am : link
In comment 13610591 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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will have diminishing returns. He is to old for the contract that he got. It was the right move, not giving him the kings ransom he got to go there.


I would have rather signed him to a Kings Ransom during the twilight years of Elis career. Instead of seeing him out there looking older and getting abused left and right not only from defensive ends, but fans and the media.
RE: RE: The biggest change  
UConn4523 : 9/22/2017 10:01 am : link
In comment 13610597 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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was a great new young HC and year 2 for their QB. Whitworth certainly helps, as does Watkins stretching the field.



We just changed to a new young HC last year, we haven't cracked 30 points once. I'm thinking it's the o-line that is the biggest change.


Our HC landed us an 11-5 record his first year, who cares which side of the ball was better. McAdoo is in charge for more than the offense, just like McVay has to figure out why he got torched for 40 points lastnight. They happened to win so it isn't a big deal, but it's the exact same scenario.

And getting a new HC doesn't guarantee anything. But in the case of he Rams hiring a young coach to help their 1st overall draft selection was a good move.
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Metnut : 9/22/2017 10:09 am : link
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was a great new young HC and year 2 for their QB. Whitworth certainly helps, as does Watkins stretching the field.



We just changed to a new young HC last year, we haven't cracked 30 points once. I'm thinking it's the o-line that is the biggest change.



Our HC landed us an 11-5 record his first year, who cares which side of the ball was better. McAdoo is in charge for more than the offense, just like McVay has to figure out why he got torched for 40 points lastnight. They happened to win so it isn't a big deal, but it's the exact same scenario.

And getting a new HC doesn't guarantee anything. But in the case of he Rams hiring a young coach to help their 1st overall draft selection was a good move.


They won a lot of close games last year and the underlying numbers indicated that the team was lucky go to 11-5 and played more like an 8-8 or 9-7 team. They also were completely demolished in the playoffs and scored the same as their opponents over all 17 games.

I understand that you are what your record is, but so far in 2017, it does look like the team might've been a little lucky last year. I think the team will improve from what we've seen, I mean they can't be this bad, but if the shit show of weeks 1-2 is what we see all season then a head coaching change is something that should be discussed.
RE: Aaron Donald's vaunted defense  
Britt in VA : 9/22/2017 10:10 am : link
In comment 13610592 BigBlueShock said:
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Gave up 39 points. To the 49ers. For all the slobbering that BBI does over Donald, what is the Rams record since he's been there? We kill Beckham because he hasn't won a Super Bowl yet, so he's not an important player, but we ignore the wins/losses when it comes to Donald for some reason. We just say "we could have had Donald!".


"We kill Beckham because he hasn't won a Superbowl yet"?

When have we ever expected the Giants to win the Superbowl since he's been here? I've literally never seen that statement before.
RE: RE: I was a big proponent of signing Whitworth.  
BigBlueinChicago : 9/22/2017 10:13 am : link
In comment 13610599 njm said:
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Some said we didn't have the money, but those same individuals won't have a problem throwing money at Pugh.





The Giants didn't throw a fucking dime at Pugh during Whitworth's free agency. I assume next year, when his cap hit actually becomes relevant to a discussion of free agency moves, the decision will be based on his performance in 2017, market economics and who else is available.


And what will likely happen is due to supply and demand with good lineman these days, Pugh will get an offer deemed as over the Giants price range that had pegged for him and he will walk, forcing the Giants to replace him with someone.

Just as we saw tackles/guards in FA last year getting super duper cash, this will not stop as long as colleges are not producing ready to play lineman as we are seeing now. If you have a good one, he will get paid because the options to replace are slim to none.
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UConn4523 : 9/22/2017 10:16 am : link
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was a great new young HC and year 2 for their QB. Whitworth certainly helps, as does Watkins stretching the field.



We just changed to a new young HC last year, we haven't cracked 30 points once. I'm thinking it's the o-line that is the biggest change.



Our HC landed us an 11-5 record his first year, who cares which side of the ball was better. McAdoo is in charge for more than the offense, just like McVay has to figure out why he got torched for 40 points lastnight. They happened to win so it isn't a big deal, but it's the exact same scenario.

And getting a new HC doesn't guarantee anything. But in the case of he Rams hiring a young coach to help their 1st overall draft selection was a good move.



They won a lot of close games last year and the underlying numbers indicated that the team was lucky go to 11-5 and played more like an 8-8 or 9-7 team. They also were completely demolished in the playoffs and scored the same as their opponents over all 17 games.

I understand that you are what your record is, but so far in 2017, it does look like the team might've been a little lucky last year. I think the team will improve from what we've seen, I mean they can't be this bad, but if the shit show of weeks 1-2 is what we see all season then a head coaching change is something that should be discussed.


Of course we got lucky last year, any good team does. Dallas likely doesn't go 13-3 again and aren't going to have the defensive breaks they got last year.

That's the biggest change for a lot of teams year over year. The way the ball bounces in a game of inches with only 16 games makes things very interesting.
you guys still refuse to acknowledge how free agency works  
blueblood : 9/22/2017 10:17 am : link
Players get to CHOOSE where they want to play. Its very possible that Whitworth had ZERO interest in playing for the Giants.. Just like you can choose one job over another. I turned down a job offer three years ago that was more money over my current job because it was closer to home so I can spend more time with my family. I have turned down offers in other cities because I am a NYC boy..

Players do the same thing..
I'm pretty pissed  
George : 9/22/2017 10:19 am : link
that the offenses of both the Los Angeles Rams and the San Francisco 49ers are better than ours.

Jesus.
Whitworth was a viable option  
Rjanyg : 9/22/2017 10:23 am : link
as was any of the FA O Linemen. Reese and McAdoo decided not to pursue them because they felt they had the pieces in place. Otherwise they would have signed at least 1 starting OL. I think we would have been happy if they signed a new RG in place of John Jerry but that didn't happen. They signed Fluker and for some reason he is on the bench. Whitworth would have upgraded the performance of the offense but his age was the obvious issue, price was second with Pugh, Richburg and Beckham having deals next year.

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njm : 9/22/2017 10:27 am : link
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Some said we didn't have the money, but those same individuals won't have a problem throwing money at Pugh.


The Giants didn't throw a fucking dime at Pugh during Whitworth's free agency. I assume next year, when his cap hit actually becomes relevant to a discussion of free agency moves, the decision will be based on his performance in 2017, market economics and who else is available.



And what will likely happen is due to supply and demand with good lineman these days, Pugh will get an offer deemed as over the Giants price range that had pegged for him and he will walk, forcing the Giants to replace him with someone.

Just as we saw tackles/guards in FA last year getting super duper cash, this will not stop as long as colleges are not producing ready to play lineman as we are seeing now. If you have a good one, he will get paid because the options to replace are slim to none.


That's clearly a possibility, but still totally unrelated to signing Whitworth.
Giants preferred to give a big contract to Ellison  
djm : 9/22/2017 10:36 am : link
who barely plays. Bravo.
and i'm aware that Ellison  
djm : 9/22/2017 10:39 am : link
likely isn't making the same bucks as Whitworth this year or next year but don't tell me the Giants couldn't pay Whitworth. If they could pay Ellison they could use a few extra bucks to pay Whitworth.

Although honestly, I don't think this offense flips from terrible to good just because of the LT. I think the offense is completely fucked from the top on down. A LT would help, but there's a lot more wrong than just that.

The QB hasn't played great. The Rbs haven't even approached professional. The WRs haven't made any plays. The defense hasn't forced enough 3 n outs and the STs have sucked.

Shit show.
RE: I'm pretty pissed  
Gman11 : 9/22/2017 10:49 am : link
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that the offenses of both the Los Angeles Rams and the San Francisco 49ers are better than ours.

Jesus.
Or, maybe their defenses are a lot worse.
Whitworth wasn't passed over because of money  
jcn56 : 9/22/2017 10:59 am : link
They had the money to sign him - for the Giants, it ended up whether he was worth paying at his age, and what they thought they had already lined up.

I don't blame them for passing on Whitworth, that's a lot of coin for two years of a guy past retirement age, even if he has been healthy. Where they deserve blame is in miscalculating what they had as far as starter and backup options at LT. Even if you want to go into the season rolling the dice on Flowers, you should at least have a viable backup or someone who can push him if he starts to falter.
This isn't meant to be a "Jerry Reese sux thread"...  
M.S. : 9/22/2017 11:16 am : link

...but I'm more than willing to make it one.

RE: and i'm aware that Ellison  
njm : 9/22/2017 11:22 am : link
In comment 13610664 djm said:
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likely isn't making the same bucks as Whitworth this year or next year but don't tell me the Giants couldn't pay Whitworth. If they could pay Ellison they could use a few extra bucks to pay Whitworth.

Although honestly, I don't think this offense flips from terrible to good just because of the LT. I think the offense is completely fucked from the top on down. A LT would help, but there's a lot more wrong than just that.

The QB hasn't played great. The Rbs haven't even approached professional. The WRs haven't made any plays. The defense hasn't forced enough 3 n outs and the STs have sucked.

Shit show.


To compare the contracts of Ellison and Whitworth is to compare apples to oranges. Ellison's cap hit this year is $2.25 and the dead money if he was cut after the season is roughly $7.5 mil. Whitworth's cap hit this year is $9.2 mil. and the dead money if he is cut after the season is $15 mil.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-rams/andrew-whitworth-1388/

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Rhett-Ellison-9947/
Goff looked fantastic last night  
Jints in Carolina : 9/22/2017 11:23 am : link
a totally different player than last season's disaster.
The Ram defense is not that great,  
Doomster : 9/22/2017 12:11 pm : link
if Hoyer can put up that many points.....of course a fumble and onside recovery also had something to do with the score.....but Hoyer was able to take advantage of it.....can't believe the receiver broke back into the defender on that 2 point try....

As for the Ram qb, it's like night and day, the way he played last season compared to this one...
How long before the Rams called it quits  
SHO'NUFF : 9/22/2017 12:12 pm : link
on Robinson?
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arcarsenal : 9/22/2017 12:13 pm : link
We also haven't had a back as talented as Gurley in quite a while.

We could have drafted him, though.... he went the pick after Flowers.

Oy.
RE: Giants preferred to give a big contract to Ellison  
WillVAB : 9/22/2017 12:41 pm : link
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who barely plays. Bravo.


And then double down with another TE in the 1st round.
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GiantFilthy : 9/22/2017 12:47 pm : link
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What's new this year? Replacing first round bust Greg Robinson at left tackle with Andrew Whitworth. Not having a rookie quarterback under the tutelage Jeff Fisher.
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BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/22/2017 1:13 pm : link
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who barely plays. Bravo.



And then double down with another TE in the 1st round.


You do know that every viable tackle pick this year is struggling. Ramczyk has been abused, Bolles blew his achilles, Forrest Lamp blew his knee out. Cam Robinson played well in his first game, I cannot speak for his second.

So yeah saying we missed out on good OL prospects is kind of mute point.
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arcarsenal : 9/22/2017 1:18 pm : link
In comment 13610888 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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who barely plays. Bravo.



And then double down with another TE in the 1st round.



You do know that every viable tackle pick this year is struggling. Ramczyk has been abused, Bolles blew his achilles, Forrest Lamp blew his knee out. Cam Robinson played well in his first game, I cannot speak for his second.

So yeah saying we missed out on good OL prospects is kind of mute point.


I've heard that Cam Robinson is a bit of a Pre-Madonna...
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BigBlueShock : 9/22/2017 1:23 pm : link
In comment 13610816 arcarsenal said:
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We also haven't had a back as talented as Gurley in quite a while.

We could have drafted him, though.... he went the pick after Flowers.

Oy.

People in this very thread are criticizing the Giants for taking a TE instead of OL and also criticizing them for taking OL instead of a RB. It seems people want to take OL at all costs, until they suck. Then the Giants should have taken another player. And I'm not talking about you, arc, I just found it funny that no matter who they take, people will criticize it if it doesn't work out. Hell I've seen people in the past couple of days say they should draft OL in the first 3 rounds next season. Not knowing who will be available or if they are any good at all. Just take them because they play OL!
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arcarsenal : 9/22/2017 1:34 pm : link
LOL, yeah its mostly just hindsight.

Just sucks that Reese has such a good track record in the 1st rd and the one really notable whiff is Flowers.. the one we needed to pan out in the worst way. Even just be steady if not above-average.

Frustrating, but what can you do.
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BigBlueShock : 9/22/2017 1:43 pm : link
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LOL, yeah its mostly just hindsight.

Just sucks that Reese has such a good track record in the 1st rd and the one really notable whiff is Flowers.. the one we needed to pan out in the worst way. Even just be steady if not above-average.

Frustrating, but what can you do.

I hear ya. I wanted Gurley in the worst way that year. When he made it to their pick I was freaking out. Then they took Flowers. I was hoping they seen something in him and they obviously needed OL help so I didn't really mind the pick. It looks awful now and that's exactly why you can't force OL in the draft, like people are suggesting.
Whitworth  
old man : 9/22/2017 1:48 pm : link
would have been a nice rental for a couple of years.
It would have forced an EF move to RT or hopefully, RG, for EF. It would have left the FO multiple choices in the off season: hit FA for an OL, draft a LT or a RT and let him develop for a year(or insert immediately), give Wheeler a chance to bulk up for either T spot, given them an opportunity to evaluate if EF is a NFLer or a a TOTAL bust, or some combo of the preceding list.
MOST OF ALL, it'd give Eli more confidence in being able to trust the left side with AW and JP; AND, maybe we'd see what the Mc O scheme really CAN do.
But, alas, who needs an OL when you have WEAPONS,right?
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Stan in LA : 9/22/2017 1:49 pm : link
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I hear ya. I wanted Gurley in the worst way that year. When he made it to their pick I was freaking out. Then they took Flowers. I was hoping they seen something in him and they obviously needed OL help so I didn't really mind the pick. It looks awful now and that's exactly why you can't force OL in the draft, like people are suggesting.


Well Gurley is averaging a whopping 3.8 YPC this season. So, yeah.
BTW  
old man : 9/22/2017 1:51 pm : link
The SF and LAR D fronts are young, strong, fast, and mean.
Which means WATCH OUT ELI!!
McVay  
Peppers : 9/22/2017 2:16 pm : link
Is the difference. Make no mistake. Probably the brightest young coach in this league.
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BigBlueShock : 9/22/2017 2:17 pm : link
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I hear ya. I wanted Gurley in the worst way that year. When he made it to their pick I was freaking out. Then they took Flowers. I was hoping they seen something in him and they obviously needed OL help so I didn't really mind the pick. It looks awful now and that's exactly why you can't force OL in the draft, like people are suggesting.



Well Gurley is averaging a whopping 3.8 YPC this season. So, yeah.

Not sure what your point is? As usual I'm sure there is no point. Are you suggesting Gurley isn't a better player than Erik Flowers?
RE: RE: Good game last night,  
81_Great_Dane : 9/22/2017 4:25 pm : link
In comment 13610567 BigBlueinChicago said:
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There is something to be said about a runner who is able to take a 2 yard gain and make it 4 on his own. Perkins is not that guy. When he gets touched, that's it. Play over. He's not making any yardage after contact.
So, what happened to this guy?
UCLA’s RB Paul Perkins is among nation’s best for yards after contact - ( New Window )
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BigBlueinChicago : 9/22/2017 4:26 pm : link
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There is something to be said about a runner who is able to take a 2 yard gain and make it 4 on his own. Perkins is not that guy. When he gets touched, that's it. Play over. He's not making any yardage after contact.

So, what happened to this guy? UCLA’s RB Paul Perkins is among nation’s best for yards after contact - ( New Window )


The Giants would love to know the answer.
Very little risk to signing Whitworth  
ZGiants98 : 9/22/2017 4:57 pm : link
It's essentially a one-year deal in terms of guaranteed dollars and we are STILL 10 million under the cap.

Whitworth was a no-brainer.
Jared Goff also looks much improved  
dpinzow : 9/22/2017 6:17 pm : link
Protection helps but he's a bit better too. He also has Watkins to throw to
RE: Whitworth  
Mike Graves : 9/22/2017 9:15 pm : link
In comment 13610591 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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will have diminishing returns. He is to old for the contract that he got. It was the right move, not giving him the kings ransom he got to go there.

I don't blame him for going to the Rams, but at the end of the day he didn't want to win a championship, he just wanted to get the big pay day.

We did what could with the limited resources we had at our disposal. Now the year we fixed the defense, we could have allocated some resources to the line, instead of going all out on 3 guys.



Oh please. And paying a guy with 3 fingers who gets hurt every year was a great move? Whitworth would of single handily made this offense better I don't care how old he is, I am sick and tired of fans complaining about age.back in 2000 Acorsi went out and signed Glenn Parker who was 34 and Lomas Brown who was 37 and both of them helped that team get to a super bowl. If whitworth was signed and did the same thing who cares how old he is, we are running out of time with Eli, one playoff appearance since 2012 with a franchise qb is a joke.
What make you think Flowers can play RT ?  
Bluesbreaker : 9/22/2017 11:01 pm : link
This is getting to the point of insanity to keep running
him out there at LT .
Tuna would have benched him last year and replaced him .
RE: Aaron Donald's vaunted defense  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/23/2017 4:15 am : link
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Gave up 39 points. To the 49ers. For all the slobbering that BBI does over Donald, what is the Rams record since he's been there? We kill Beckham because he hasn't won a Super Bowl yet, so he's not an important player, but we ignore the wins/losses when it comes to Donald for some reason. We just say "we could have had Donald!".


Love this point. I think Martin has had a bigger effect on Dallas than Donald has had on the Rams. Now it's not Donald's fault that the O was so bad but for a guy who gets a lot of push as the best defender in the NFL the Rams D has never been transformed like the Texans when Watt showed up. Yes he's great and a All Pro but I wonder if like Suh if he will be worth what he will get paid when he is a FA.
RE: And no one on this board  
Jimmy Googs : 9/23/2017 7:17 am : link
In comment 13610598 UConn4523 said:
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didn't want Whitworth due to his price. It was his agar and price combination, and the thought of investing that much in a guy who can de line at any moment. It's a huge risk, but so is not doing anything at all so it looks like a lose lose for the Giants.


Not true. Some here wanted to be aggressive at Oline versus status quo...
Many posters myself included had Whitworth as the #1 priority FA...  
Torrag : 9/23/2017 10:34 am : link
...and we were right. But the Giants went with the cheap stay the course with these guys approach. We've seen the results and it stands a strong chance of costing us this season.
RE: Many posters myself included had Whitworth as the #1 priority FA...  
EricJ : 9/23/2017 6:48 pm : link
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...and we were right. But the Giants went with the cheap stay the course with these guys approach. We've seen the results and it stands a strong chance of costing us this season.


We will see what happens this off season. Guaranteed we go nuts patching up the line. The last time we were embarrassed like this was a couple of years ago on defense. We set records for how bad our defense was and we went out and spent money the following year.
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jcn56 : 9/23/2017 7:12 pm : link
In comment 13611361 Jimmy Googs said:
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didn't want Whitworth due to his price. It was his agar and price combination, and the thought of investing that much in a guy who can de line at any moment. It's a huge risk, but so is not doing anything at all so it looks like a lose lose for the Giants.



Not true. Some here wanted to be aggressive at Oline versus status quo...


You missed his point - he said that the only reason the people here who objected to Whitworth's signing was due to his age, not his cost.
Maybe. Just making it clear many on BBI said "do anything"  
Jimmy Googs : 9/23/2017 10:35 pm : link
to replace him from Left Tackle. Whitworth to me represented a veteran that could mirror Eli's remaining time left.

but its moot now...
RE: RE: Aaron Donald's vaunted defense  
kelsto811 : 9/24/2017 2:11 am : link
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Gave up 39 points. To the 49ers. For all the slobbering that BBI does over Donald, what is the Rams record since he's been there? We kill Beckham because he hasn't won a Super Bowl yet, so he's not an important player, but we ignore the wins/losses when it comes to Donald for some reason. We just say "we could have had Donald!".



"We kill Beckham because he hasn't won a Superbowl yet"?

When have we ever expected the Giants to win the Superbowl since he's been here? I've literally never seen that statement before.


Hahaha I was going to say the same thing. This is made up, no one has ever "killed" Beckham for not winning a Superbowl
RE: RE: RE: Aaron Donald's vaunted defense  
BigBlueShock : 9/24/2017 8:47 am : link
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Gave up 39 points. To the 49ers. For all the slobbering that BBI does over Donald, what is the Rams record since he's been there? We kill Beckham because he hasn't won a Super Bowl yet, so he's not an important player, but we ignore the wins/losses when it comes to Donald for some reason. We just say "we could have had Donald!".



"We kill Beckham because he hasn't won a Superbowl yet"?

When have we ever expected the Giants to win the Superbowl since he's been here? I've literally never seen that statement before.



Hahaha I was going to say the same thing. This is made up, no one has ever "killed" Beckham for not winning a Superbowl

You guys should open your eyes. It's been referred to on here plenty, specifically when talking about whether they should sign him to a long term deal. It's usually the brain dead "trade him" crowd, but people have absolutely brought up the fact that the Giants haven't won since he's been there. Not made up at all, it's a fact.
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