The 5 years the Los Angeles Rams played under Jeff Fisher, the Rams only scored more than 40 points twice.
In 3 games under NEW headcoach McVay, they already matched that total.
What's new this year? Replacing first round bust Greg Robinson at left tackle with Andrew Whitworth. This isn't meant to be a "Jerry Reese sux thread", but just wanted to point out to those how badly Flowers impacts our offense to those who say it's broken or Eli sucks.
We desperately need to get Eli some help.
But yes, Whitworth was really excellent last night. I don't know if there was money left to sign him, but wow what a difference he would make.
BTW, watching other teams's RB plow through the line really makes Perkins look bad. He just doesn't run "hard" and maybe Darkwa needs to start.
McVay's offense is light years better than Fischer's, especially for a young QB. You can see in DC how Cousins has struggled since McVay left.
We actually play the 49ers in a couple weeks. Wonder what that will look like.
That thought hasn't crossed my mind. When was the last time the Giants scored more than 40?
But yes, Whitworth was really excellent last night. I don't know if there was money left to sign him, but wow what a difference he would make.
BTW, watching other teams's RB plow through the line really makes Perkins look bad. He just doesn't run "hard" and maybe Darkwa needs to start.
Section, you can replace "hard" with "violent" in terms of what Perkins doesn't do.
Perkins does not burst through the holes that are given. Jennings had this same issue. There are gains to be made, but Perkins is not getting them. Then, you see the exact same play being ran with Darkwa and he's getting positive yardage. It makes you think, "Wait a second"
There is something to be said about a runner who is able to take a 2 yard gain and make it 4 on his own. Perkins is not that guy. When he gets touched, that's it. Play over. He's not making any yardage after contact.
Ahmad Bradshaw was that guy. The leg drive he had was incredible in retrospect.
So when the Giants play them in about 6 weeks, Giants are putting up 40 right? Can we lock this in? Or will we be lucky to crack 20 against them too?
Also the 49ers front 7 is not terrible. I bet they give the Giants line fits.
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So when the Giants play them in about 6 weeks, Giants are putting up 40 right? Can we lock this in? Or will we be lucky to crack 20 against them too?
I love it. The fact that their defense gave up 39 points to the freaking 49ers means nothing I guess? I'm fairly certain that the Giants won't be giving up 39 points when they play, but yeah, let's ignore that and focus on killing the Giants any way we can!
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In comment 13610559 Greg from LI said:
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So when the Giants play them in about 6 weeks, Giants are putting up 40 right? Can we lock this in? Or will we be lucky to crack 20 against them too?
I love it. The fact that their defense gave up 39 points to the freaking 49ers means nothing I guess? I'm fairly certain that the Giants won't be giving up 39 points when they play, but yeah, let's ignore that and focus on killing the Giants any way we can!
All they have to give up is 20.
So??? can't pass if you get sacked. Whitworth solidified that Oline.
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In comment 13610568 BigBlueinChicago said:
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In comment 13610559 Greg from LI said:
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So when the Giants play them in about 6 weeks, Giants are putting up 40 right? Can we lock this in? Or will we be lucky to crack 20 against them too?
I love it. The fact that their defense gave up 39 points to the freaking 49ers means nothing I guess? I'm fairly certain that the Giants won't be giving up 39 points when they play, but yeah, let's ignore that and focus on killing the Giants any way we can!
All they have to give up is 20.
Which is also very unlikely.
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what I didn't sleep through.
But yes, Whitworth was really excellent last night. I don't know if there was money left to sign him, but wow what a difference he would make.
BTW, watching other teams's RB plow through the line really makes Perkins look bad. He just doesn't run "hard" and maybe Darkwa needs to start.
Section, you can replace "hard" with "violent" in terms of what Perkins doesn't do.
Perkins does not burst through the holes that are given. Jennings had this same issue. There are gains to be made, but Perkins is not getting them. Then, you see the exact same play being ran with Darkwa and he's getting positive yardage. It makes you think, "Wait a second"
There is something to be said about a runner who is able to take a 2 yard gain and make it 4 on his own. Perkins is not that guy. When he gets touched, that's it. Play over. He's not making any yardage after contact.
Ahmad Bradshaw was that guy. The leg drive he had was incredible in retrospect.
Yep..
Some said we didn't have the money, but those same individuals won't have a problem throwing money at Pugh. We have heard over the years that such and such team are up against the cap, but they always manage to sign and restructure players to suit their needs. Abrams could have found a way to fit Whitworth if we were serious in signing him.
But alas, Jerry could not admit his failure in drafting Ereck. His ego has prohibited any competition in challenging Ereck.
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In comment 13610559 Greg from LI said:
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So when the Giants play them in about 6 weeks, Giants are putting up 40 right? Can we lock this in? Or will we be lucky to crack 20 against them too?
I love it. The fact that their defense gave up 39 points to the freaking 49ers means nothing I guess? I'm fairly certain that the Giants won't be giving up 39 points when they play, but yeah, let's ignore that and focus on killing the Giants any way we can!
So far we have done nothing to say we can beat either of these teams. Aaron Donald and that Rams pass rush would kill Eli. That is scary stuff. The 49ers can get after the QB too.
I don't blame him for going to the Rams, but at the end of the day he didn't want to win a championship, he just wanted to get the big pay day.
We did what could with the limited resources we had at our disposal. Now the year we fixed the defense, we could have allocated some resources to the line, instead of going all out on 3 guys.
We just changed to a new young HC last year, we haven't cracked 30 points once. I'm thinking it's the o-line that is the biggest change.
Some said we didn't have the money, but those same individuals won't have a problem throwing money at Pugh.
The Giants didn't throw a fucking dime at Pugh during Whitworth's free agency. I assume next year, when his cap hit actually becomes relevant to a discussion of free agency moves, the decision will be based on his performance in 2017, market economics and who else is available.
I would have rather signed him to a Kings Ransom during the twilight years of Elis career. Instead of seeing him out there looking older and getting abused left and right not only from defensive ends, but fans and the media.
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was a great new young HC and year 2 for their QB. Whitworth certainly helps, as does Watkins stretching the field.
We just changed to a new young HC last year, we haven't cracked 30 points once. I'm thinking it's the o-line that is the biggest change.
Our HC landed us an 11-5 record his first year, who cares which side of the ball was better. McAdoo is in charge for more than the offense, just like McVay has to figure out why he got torched for 40 points lastnight. They happened to win so it isn't a big deal, but it's the exact same scenario.
And getting a new HC doesn't guarantee anything. But in the case of he Rams hiring a young coach to help their 1st overall draft selection was a good move.
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In comment 13610594 UConn4523 said:
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was a great new young HC and year 2 for their QB. Whitworth certainly helps, as does Watkins stretching the field.
We just changed to a new young HC last year, we haven't cracked 30 points once. I'm thinking it's the o-line that is the biggest change.
Our HC landed us an 11-5 record his first year, who cares which side of the ball was better. McAdoo is in charge for more than the offense, just like McVay has to figure out why he got torched for 40 points lastnight. They happened to win so it isn't a big deal, but it's the exact same scenario.
And getting a new HC doesn't guarantee anything. But in the case of he Rams hiring a young coach to help their 1st overall draft selection was a good move.
They won a lot of close games last year and the underlying numbers indicated that the team was lucky go to 11-5 and played more like an 8-8 or 9-7 team. They also were completely demolished in the playoffs and scored the same as their opponents over all 17 games.
I understand that you are what your record is, but so far in 2017, it does look like the team might've been a little lucky last year. I think the team will improve from what we've seen, I mean they can't be this bad, but if the shit show of weeks 1-2 is what we see all season then a head coaching change is something that should be discussed.
"We kill Beckham because he hasn't won a Superbowl yet"?
When have we ever expected the Giants to win the Superbowl since he's been here? I've literally never seen that statement before.
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Some said we didn't have the money, but those same individuals won't have a problem throwing money at Pugh.
The Giants didn't throw a fucking dime at Pugh during Whitworth's free agency. I assume next year, when his cap hit actually becomes relevant to a discussion of free agency moves, the decision will be based on his performance in 2017, market economics and who else is available.
And what will likely happen is due to supply and demand with good lineman these days, Pugh will get an offer deemed as over the Giants price range that had pegged for him and he will walk, forcing the Giants to replace him with someone.
Just as we saw tackles/guards in FA last year getting super duper cash, this will not stop as long as colleges are not producing ready to play lineman as we are seeing now. If you have a good one, he will get paid because the options to replace are slim to none.
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In comment 13610597 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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In comment 13610594 UConn4523 said:
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was a great new young HC and year 2 for their QB. Whitworth certainly helps, as does Watkins stretching the field.
We just changed to a new young HC last year, we haven't cracked 30 points once. I'm thinking it's the o-line that is the biggest change.
Our HC landed us an 11-5 record his first year, who cares which side of the ball was better. McAdoo is in charge for more than the offense, just like McVay has to figure out why he got torched for 40 points lastnight. They happened to win so it isn't a big deal, but it's the exact same scenario.
And getting a new HC doesn't guarantee anything. But in the case of he Rams hiring a young coach to help their 1st overall draft selection was a good move.
They won a lot of close games last year and the underlying numbers indicated that the team was lucky go to 11-5 and played more like an 8-8 or 9-7 team. They also were completely demolished in the playoffs and scored the same as their opponents over all 17 games.
I understand that you are what your record is, but so far in 2017, it does look like the team might've been a little lucky last year. I think the team will improve from what we've seen, I mean they can't be this bad, but if the shit show of weeks 1-2 is what we see all season then a head coaching change is something that should be discussed.
Of course we got lucky last year, any good team does. Dallas likely doesn't go 13-3 again and aren't going to have the defensive breaks they got last year.
That's the biggest change for a lot of teams year over year. The way the ball bounces in a game of inches with only 16 games makes things very interesting.
Players do the same thing..
Jesus.
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In comment 13610585 Diver_Down said:
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Some said we didn't have the money, but those same individuals won't have a problem throwing money at Pugh.
The Giants didn't throw a fucking dime at Pugh during Whitworth's free agency. I assume next year, when his cap hit actually becomes relevant to a discussion of free agency moves, the decision will be based on his performance in 2017, market economics and who else is available.
And what will likely happen is due to supply and demand with good lineman these days, Pugh will get an offer deemed as over the Giants price range that had pegged for him and he will walk, forcing the Giants to replace him with someone.
Just as we saw tackles/guards in FA last year getting super duper cash, this will not stop as long as colleges are not producing ready to play lineman as we are seeing now. If you have a good one, he will get paid because the options to replace are slim to none.
That's clearly a possibility, but still totally unrelated to signing Whitworth.
Although honestly, I don't think this offense flips from terrible to good just because of the LT. I think the offense is completely fucked from the top on down. A LT would help, but there's a lot more wrong than just that.
The QB hasn't played great. The Rbs haven't even approached professional. The WRs haven't made any plays. The defense hasn't forced enough 3 n outs and the STs have sucked.
Shit show.
Jesus.
I don't blame them for passing on Whitworth, that's a lot of coin for two years of a guy past retirement age, even if he has been healthy. Where they deserve blame is in miscalculating what they had as far as starter and backup options at LT. Even if you want to go into the season rolling the dice on Flowers, you should at least have a viable backup or someone who can push him if he starts to falter.
...but I'm more than willing to make it one.
Although honestly, I don't think this offense flips from terrible to good just because of the LT. I think the offense is completely fucked from the top on down. A LT would help, but there's a lot more wrong than just that.
The QB hasn't played great. The Rbs haven't even approached professional. The WRs haven't made any plays. The defense hasn't forced enough 3 n outs and the STs have sucked.
Shit show.
To compare the contracts of Ellison and Whitworth is to compare apples to oranges. Ellison's cap hit this year is $2.25 and the dead money if he was cut after the season is roughly $7.5 mil. Whitworth's cap hit this year is $9.2 mil. and the dead money if he is cut after the season is $15 mil.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-rams/andrew-whitworth-1388/
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Rhett-Ellison-9947/
As for the Ram qb, it's like night and day, the way he played last season compared to this one...
We could have drafted him, though.... he went the pick after Flowers.
Oy.
And then double down with another TE in the 1st round.
What's new this year? Replacing first round bust Greg Robinson at left tackle with Andrew Whitworth. Not having a rookie quarterback under the tutelage Jeff Fisher.
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who barely plays. Bravo.
And then double down with another TE in the 1st round.
You do know that every viable tackle pick this year is struggling. Ramczyk has been abused, Bolles blew his achilles, Forrest Lamp blew his knee out. Cam Robinson played well in his first game, I cannot speak for his second.
So yeah saying we missed out on good OL prospects is kind of mute point.
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who barely plays. Bravo.
And then double down with another TE in the 1st round.
You do know that every viable tackle pick this year is struggling. Ramczyk has been abused, Bolles blew his achilles, Forrest Lamp blew his knee out. Cam Robinson played well in his first game, I cannot speak for his second.
So yeah saying we missed out on good OL prospects is kind of mute point.
I've heard that Cam Robinson is a bit of a Pre-Madonna...