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Los Angeles Rams Offense: Andrew Whitworth

LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/22/2017 9:31 am
The 5 years the Los Angeles Rams played under Jeff Fisher, the Rams only scored more than 40 points twice.

In 3 games under NEW headcoach McVay, they already matched that total.

What's new this year? Replacing first round bust Greg Robinson at left tackle with Andrew Whitworth. This isn't meant to be a "Jerry Reese sux thread", but just wanted to point out to those how badly Flowers impacts our offense to those who say it's broken or Eli sucks.

We desperately need to get Eli some help.
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BigBlueShock : 9/22/2017 1:23 pm : link
In comment 13610816 arcarsenal said:
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We also haven't had a back as talented as Gurley in quite a while.

We could have drafted him, though.... he went the pick after Flowers.

Oy.

People in this very thread are criticizing the Giants for taking a TE instead of OL and also criticizing them for taking OL instead of a RB. It seems people want to take OL at all costs, until they suck. Then the Giants should have taken another player. And I'm not talking about you, arc, I just found it funny that no matter who they take, people will criticize it if it doesn't work out. Hell I've seen people in the past couple of days say they should draft OL in the first 3 rounds next season. Not knowing who will be available or if they are any good at all. Just take them because they play OL!
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arcarsenal : 9/22/2017 1:34 pm : link
LOL, yeah its mostly just hindsight.

Just sucks that Reese has such a good track record in the 1st rd and the one really notable whiff is Flowers.. the one we needed to pan out in the worst way. Even just be steady if not above-average.

Frustrating, but what can you do.
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BigBlueShock : 9/22/2017 1:43 pm : link
In comment 13610903 arcarsenal said:
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LOL, yeah its mostly just hindsight.

Just sucks that Reese has such a good track record in the 1st rd and the one really notable whiff is Flowers.. the one we needed to pan out in the worst way. Even just be steady if not above-average.

Frustrating, but what can you do.

I hear ya. I wanted Gurley in the worst way that year. When he made it to their pick I was freaking out. Then they took Flowers. I was hoping they seen something in him and they obviously needed OL help so I didn't really mind the pick. It looks awful now and that's exactly why you can't force OL in the draft, like people are suggesting.
Whitworth  
old man : 9/22/2017 1:48 pm : link
would have been a nice rental for a couple of years.
It would have forced an EF move to RT or hopefully, RG, for EF. It would have left the FO multiple choices in the off season: hit FA for an OL, draft a LT or a RT and let him develop for a year(or insert immediately), give Wheeler a chance to bulk up for either T spot, given them an opportunity to evaluate if EF is a NFLer or a a TOTAL bust, or some combo of the preceding list.
MOST OF ALL, it'd give Eli more confidence in being able to trust the left side with AW and JP; AND, maybe we'd see what the Mc O scheme really CAN do.
But, alas, who needs an OL when you have WEAPONS,right?
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Stan in LA : 9/22/2017 1:49 pm : link
In comment 13610912 BigBlueShock said:
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I hear ya. I wanted Gurley in the worst way that year. When he made it to their pick I was freaking out. Then they took Flowers. I was hoping they seen something in him and they obviously needed OL help so I didn't really mind the pick. It looks awful now and that's exactly why you can't force OL in the draft, like people are suggesting.


Well Gurley is averaging a whopping 3.8 YPC this season. So, yeah.
BTW  
old man : 9/22/2017 1:51 pm : link
The SF and LAR D fronts are young, strong, fast, and mean.
Which means WATCH OUT ELI!!
McVay  
Peppers : 9/22/2017 2:16 pm : link
Is the difference. Make no mistake. Probably the brightest young coach in this league.
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BigBlueShock : 9/22/2017 2:17 pm : link
In comment 13610919 Stan in LA said:
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I hear ya. I wanted Gurley in the worst way that year. When he made it to their pick I was freaking out. Then they took Flowers. I was hoping they seen something in him and they obviously needed OL help so I didn't really mind the pick. It looks awful now and that's exactly why you can't force OL in the draft, like people are suggesting.



Well Gurley is averaging a whopping 3.8 YPC this season. So, yeah.

Not sure what your point is? As usual I'm sure there is no point. Are you suggesting Gurley isn't a better player than Erik Flowers?
RE: RE: Good game last night,  
81_Great_Dane : 9/22/2017 4:25 pm : link
In comment 13610567 BigBlueinChicago said:
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There is something to be said about a runner who is able to take a 2 yard gain and make it 4 on his own. Perkins is not that guy. When he gets touched, that's it. Play over. He's not making any yardage after contact.
So, what happened to this guy?
UCLA’s RB Paul Perkins is among nation’s best for yards after contact - ( New Window )
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BigBlueinChicago : 9/22/2017 4:26 pm : link
In comment 13611045 81_Great_Dane said:
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There is something to be said about a runner who is able to take a 2 yard gain and make it 4 on his own. Perkins is not that guy. When he gets touched, that's it. Play over. He's not making any yardage after contact.

So, what happened to this guy? UCLA’s RB Paul Perkins is among nation’s best for yards after contact - ( New Window )


The Giants would love to know the answer.
Very little risk to signing Whitworth  
ZGiants98 : 9/22/2017 4:57 pm : link
It's essentially a one-year deal in terms of guaranteed dollars and we are STILL 10 million under the cap.

Whitworth was a no-brainer.
Jared Goff also looks much improved  
dpinzow : 9/22/2017 6:17 pm : link
Protection helps but he's a bit better too. He also has Watkins to throw to
RE: Whitworth  
Mike Graves : 9/22/2017 9:15 pm : link
In comment 13610591 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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will have diminishing returns. He is to old for the contract that he got. It was the right move, not giving him the kings ransom he got to go there.

I don't blame him for going to the Rams, but at the end of the day he didn't want to win a championship, he just wanted to get the big pay day.

We did what could with the limited resources we had at our disposal. Now the year we fixed the defense, we could have allocated some resources to the line, instead of going all out on 3 guys.



Oh please. And paying a guy with 3 fingers who gets hurt every year was a great move? Whitworth would of single handily made this offense better I don't care how old he is, I am sick and tired of fans complaining about age.back in 2000 Acorsi went out and signed Glenn Parker who was 34 and Lomas Brown who was 37 and both of them helped that team get to a super bowl. If whitworth was signed and did the same thing who cares how old he is, we are running out of time with Eli, one playoff appearance since 2012 with a franchise qb is a joke.
What make you think Flowers can play RT ?  
Bluesbreaker : 9/22/2017 11:01 pm : link
This is getting to the point of insanity to keep running
him out there at LT .
Tuna would have benched him last year and replaced him .
RE: Aaron Donald's vaunted defense  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/23/2017 4:15 am : link
In comment 13610592 BigBlueShock said:
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Gave up 39 points. To the 49ers. For all the slobbering that BBI does over Donald, what is the Rams record since he's been there? We kill Beckham because he hasn't won a Super Bowl yet, so he's not an important player, but we ignore the wins/losses when it comes to Donald for some reason. We just say "we could have had Donald!".


Love this point. I think Martin has had a bigger effect on Dallas than Donald has had on the Rams. Now it's not Donald's fault that the O was so bad but for a guy who gets a lot of push as the best defender in the NFL the Rams D has never been transformed like the Texans when Watt showed up. Yes he's great and a All Pro but I wonder if like Suh if he will be worth what he will get paid when he is a FA.
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Jimmy Googs : 9/23/2017 7:17 am : link
In comment 13610598 UConn4523 said:
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didn't want Whitworth due to his price. It was his agar and price combination, and the thought of investing that much in a guy who can de line at any moment. It's a huge risk, but so is not doing anything at all so it looks like a lose lose for the Giants.


Not true. Some here wanted to be aggressive at Oline versus status quo...
Many posters myself included had Whitworth as the #1 priority FA...  
Torrag : 9/23/2017 10:34 am : link
...and we were right. But the Giants went with the cheap stay the course with these guys approach. We've seen the results and it stands a strong chance of costing us this season.
RE: Many posters myself included had Whitworth as the #1 priority FA...  
EricJ : 9/23/2017 6:48 pm : link
In comment 13611455 Torrag said:
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...and we were right. But the Giants went with the cheap stay the course with these guys approach. We've seen the results and it stands a strong chance of costing us this season.


We will see what happens this off season. Guaranteed we go nuts patching up the line. The last time we were embarrassed like this was a couple of years ago on defense. We set records for how bad our defense was and we went out and spent money the following year.
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jcn56 : 9/23/2017 7:12 pm : link
In comment 13611361 Jimmy Googs said:
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didn't want Whitworth due to his price. It was his agar and price combination, and the thought of investing that much in a guy who can de line at any moment. It's a huge risk, but so is not doing anything at all so it looks like a lose lose for the Giants.



Not true. Some here wanted to be aggressive at Oline versus status quo...


You missed his point - he said that the only reason the people here who objected to Whitworth's signing was due to his age, not his cost.
Maybe. Just making it clear many on BBI said "do anything"  
Jimmy Googs : 9/23/2017 10:35 pm : link
to replace him from Left Tackle. Whitworth to me represented a veteran that could mirror Eli's remaining time left.

but its moot now...
RE: RE: Aaron Donald's vaunted defense  
kelsto811 : 9/24/2017 2:11 am : link
In comment 13610615 Britt in VA said:
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Gave up 39 points. To the 49ers. For all the slobbering that BBI does over Donald, what is the Rams record since he's been there? We kill Beckham because he hasn't won a Super Bowl yet, so he's not an important player, but we ignore the wins/losses when it comes to Donald for some reason. We just say "we could have had Donald!".



"We kill Beckham because he hasn't won a Superbowl yet"?

When have we ever expected the Giants to win the Superbowl since he's been here? I've literally never seen that statement before.


Hahaha I was going to say the same thing. This is made up, no one has ever "killed" Beckham for not winning a Superbowl
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BigBlueShock : 9/24/2017 8:47 am : link
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Gave up 39 points. To the 49ers. For all the slobbering that BBI does over Donald, what is the Rams record since he's been there? We kill Beckham because he hasn't won a Super Bowl yet, so he's not an important player, but we ignore the wins/losses when it comes to Donald for some reason. We just say "we could have had Donald!".



"We kill Beckham because he hasn't won a Superbowl yet"?

When have we ever expected the Giants to win the Superbowl since he's been here? I've literally never seen that statement before.



Hahaha I was going to say the same thing. This is made up, no one has ever "killed" Beckham for not winning a Superbowl

You guys should open your eyes. It's been referred to on here plenty, specifically when talking about whether they should sign him to a long term deal. It's usually the brain dead "trade him" crowd, but people have absolutely brought up the fact that the Giants haven't won since he's been there. Not made up at all, it's a fact.
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