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Offensive Line so far this year

cznmike : 9/23/2017 7:46 am
Stats never lie... for the most part.
These show that although the O line is problematic, it shows that the play calling may be the actual problem:

In 2 games-
Rushing average- 3.2 YPC #27
Yet, better than Steelers, Colts, Panthers, Chargers and Cards

Rushing attempts- Dead ass last

Quarterback hits- 12 #13
Better than Bears, Texans, Eagles, 49ers, Browns, Cards, Seahawks, Packers,Colts
Tied with Broncos, Chiefs, Rams and Redskins

Sacks #8
Really bad considering short drop scheme
But better than the Texans, Browns, 49ers
Tied with the Bengals, Colts and Eagles

#14 in experience - Combined starts total of offensive line

The Giants have been known for years to win games when the rushing attempts outnumbered passing attempts in any game. It is impossible for any running back to get into a grove when they are running the ball so few times per game. Throw in Vereen and his average per carry so far compared to the chosen #1 back and no wonder they rely on Eli to carry the team.
MaGoo's attempt to start the running game consists of 3-4 rushes in the starting three series and then he has Eli try to win the game.

Last week the Broncos stifled the Cowboys with the tried and true defensive scheme used against the Giants. Stop the run and make the QB beat you. And as much as I hate to admit it, they do have a better running game than the Giants.

Suggestion: Feed the running game for at least one game and see how it works. What is it going to hurt? The absolute worst that can happen is going 0-3 which if nothing changes is exactly where they're going to end up.

Our D will keep us in the game against anybody in the league and at this point, Eli isn't going to live long enough to put up a 4,000 yard season.

NFL.com Stats - ( New Window )
If I had to guess the stats about running  
mattlawson : 9/23/2017 8:06 am : link
Of the top of my hand they would've been half of what they are. That doesn't make them good.

If you haven't seen that Lions defense versus the Giants where that shows the all 22 angles broken out with some context it really is worth a look. Not being able to run is only half the battle. Mid and long-range routes are being doubled on both sides and underneath passes are also covered up because teams can rush three or four and have 7-8 in coverage. Even if Beckham could break something long Eli would have to have a clean pocket to throw it and he's bailing out before it can happen with all his check downs covered as well. He just start throwing it as far as he can into the stands to make a point
If your comment about  
joeinpa : 9/23/2017 8:19 am : link
The defense keeping them in every game is based on the first 2 weeks, not certain where that conclusion comes from.

This defense has 1 three and out total for 2 games. This defense has been poor on 3 rd down. This defense has been run on.

And as Carl Banks and. Bob Papa pointed out. Just because your offense goes three and out does not mean your defense can t do the same.

This defense gives up 3 first downs and field position even when they have gotten off the field

This consensus that everything is fine on that side of the ball is inaccurate.
Joe is spot on  
Mike from Ohio : 9/23/2017 8:58 am : link
The offense is not doing the defense any favors, but the defense is not playing particularly well either. This is not last year's defense. Injuries are hurting, but even against Dallas this team could not get off the field without yielding 40 yards of field position. Turnovers are not happening.

I hate being this pessimistic in September, but this is not a very talented or well coached team. The thing keeping the season alive is that league wide parity means going from bad to average is not a huge jump. But many things need to improve to take this team to being average.
If you run more 2 te  
hitdog42 : 9/23/2017 9:15 am : link
You can feed or give the appearance of wanting to feed the running game, while also supporting the ol and passing in more unique positions.

Would also give reason to start a guy like fluker - but they appear reluctant. At least with fluker we move more bodies and out of 2 te that could be useful


RE: If you run more 2 te  
Reb8thVA : 9/23/2017 10:03 am : link
In comment 13611402 hitdog42 said:
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You can feed or give the appearance of wanting to feed the running game, while also supporting the ol and passing in more unique positions.

Would also give reason to start a guy like fluker - but they appear reluctant. At least with fluker we move more bodies and out of 2 te that could be useful

And it is not like we are getting tremendous production out of the three receiver sets anyway. I think you can run Ellison and Engram or Engaram and Adams out there and your not losing much given our troubles moving the ball. Hell you could put Adams and Ellison out there, split Engram wide opposite of OBJ.
My eyes don't lie  
GiantsRage2007 : 9/23/2017 12:21 pm : link
This line can't push 1 yard ahead. The rb get hit immediately upon handoff. Not sure more attempts fix that.
I just don't understand why you'd go out and get Ellison  
jcn56 : 9/23/2017 12:35 pm : link
and have a FB on the roster and not use them more often.

If the argument is that we'd be more one-dimensional, I don't see how it's possible. If it's that the running game isn't working, well, neither is the passing game so far.
Been CrapaPoo  
GeorgeAdams33 : 9/23/2017 1:34 pm : link
has to give up play calling. He has been horrible at it. He is as stubborn as an ox.
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