If we lose tomorrow the season is over...If we lose tomorrow I could see us going 4-12 with POSSIBLE wins over San Diego at home, San Fran on the road, Philly at home if Philly is not in contention for the division and Washington at home if the Skins are out of the playoffs or play their second stringers because they clinched a playoff spot. In this case we gotta let Eli go, his cap hit is like 22 million and he aint getting any better but older and slower.....commit to Webb as your starter, let Gino go and sign a decent journeyman qb that won't be in competition with Webb like Gino would be, I just don't feel comfortable with Gino and Webb together, I don't think that they would be rooting foe each other to win the qb job for the New York Giants together...With that 22 million use it to rebuilt the OL and let Pugh go if he is asking for too much money.
Lucky to get 7th?
Where you getting that from?
Given the way that our high draft choices have failed the OL, maybe we should ticket one big free agent, who could help out the young guys.
Right now that unit is just in a daze. Like an overmatched army unit that has been routed twice by the enemy. Lifeless. Like the army unit, the offense needs a leader and a shakeup.
We all laughed at Coughlin's inspirational videos.
A new game plan. Pick up a veteran running back who still has a lot left in the tank and is fast enough to get around the corner to spread out that defensive front.
If we end up 4-12, I doubt Webb ends up the starter because we'll be drafting one of the 3 big QBs in the first rd.
Piss away a 3rd round pick and ignore the one thing that hold the offense back ? We didn't help ourselves at RB either !
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The only consolation if this season stays on the path that it is on is that the Giants are in position to get their next franchise QB. You are not going to pass on one of the top guys because you spent a 3rd round pick on Davis Webb the year before.
Then you have wasted a third round pick....
To have a real shot at a top qb, you have to have like a 2 win season......I can see this offense turning it around to the point that the only way to get a top 3 qb is to trade up.....which will make that third round pick a real mistake....
The only reason you draft Webb in the third, is if you think he is your qb of the future......to go after a qb next season wasted that pick, and a roster spot this season...
You know what? If they start 0-3, then they are just about out of a playoff spot. They would have to go 10-3 the rest of the way to have a shot. And, what would make people think that they are good enough to go 10-3 when they are bad enough to start 0-3?
It's not a marathon. In no other team sport can you lose three games and almost be counted out of a playoff spot. Only 3 teams in the history of the NFL have made the playoffs after starting 0-3.
EXCEPT, the OL will still suck.
If he doesn't get it done this year, he is useless to the the Giants, thereafter.
I agree. I'd pick an OL player and not a QB. First what would another skill player do behind this line (the answer is nothing), plus we have Webb.
If they are both in the right fit for you team, and have NFL type player metrics, especially the rd 1s, then it shouldn't be that hard.
QB is the harder because that is really his only spot(with exceptions, but a LT that has power but has poor movement to the left in pass protection always has a shot at being a OG (a-hum), or even C.
I never want to see Flowers, Jerry or Hart on the field again for this team. And yes, I realize the other two (Pugh and Richburg) have contracts coming up but I don't have enough intell to know which way that goes yet.
If it means we have 5 new O-lineman on the field in Sept 2018 then so be it...
I think at this point no matter what they'd have to look to FA to plug a hole or two on the OL.
In this scenario I also suspect Reese would be out the door.
I also don t think it would be wise to try and build around a next year 38 year old quarterback.
Eli is here for 4 more years. Get Barkley from Penn State instead. Just like we should have taken Gurley at 10 instead of Flowers. What a miss that was.
I also don t think it would be wise to try and build around a next year 38 year old quarterback.
Next year he will be 37
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The only consolation if this season stays on the path that it is on is that the Giants are in position to get their next franchise QB. You are not going to pass on one of the top guys because you spent a 3rd round pick on Davis Webb the year before.
Eli is here for 4 more years. Get Barkley from Penn State instead. Just like we should have taken Gurley at 10 instead of Flowers. What a miss that was.
4 more years? He has 2 years left on his contract after this season and there are no guarantees he'll play out the full length of it - would anyone be shocked if he retired after this season or next?
If he doesn't get it done this year, he is useless to the the Giants, thereafter.
You can only cut Eli.
You can not get ANYTHING for him in a trade. No.one will give us anything at all for the right to pay a 38 year old QB $22 million next year. He is absolutely worthless as trade bait.
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Think the Giants would or should draft an O line if a possible franchise quarterback is there.
I also don t think it would be wise to try and build around a next year 38 year old quarterback.
Next year he will be 37
Yes, next year. January of next year. 4 months from now he will be 37. By the start of next season he will be nearly 38.
He isn't going to be here 4 years, and it's apparent that even if he was, his skills are on the decline already. What good is he going to be 3 years from now?
I know getting a new QB is a scary proposition, but some of you are living in a fantasy land if you think Eli is playing until he is 42.
Thankfully the Giants aren't going to put all their eggs in the Eli basket under the delusion that he will play at a high lever until he is 42.