Don't really know what people were expecting. We HAD to take bad salary no matter what due to Melo's huge contract. 2 years for Kanter is better than 3 for Anderson or Meyers Leonard, and now we can have a full rebuild year. Sucks but it's where we are right now.
Don't really know what people were expecting. We HAD to take bad salary no matter what due to Melo's huge contract. 2 years for Kanter is better than 3 for Anderson or Meyers Leonard, and now we can have a full rebuild year. Sucks but it's where we are right now.
I'm with you on this. Don't know what people expected for Melo.
I am quite sure the Knicks - as bad as things have been - did not make this deal knowing they could have done better but just wanted to stick it to the fans. Of course all the BBI GMs with solid inside NBA sources will still claim any number of absurd "better" possibilities that were never really possible.
Don't really know what people were expecting. We HAD to take bad salary no matter what due to Melo's huge contract. 2 years for Kanter is better than 3 for Anderson or Meyers Leonard, and now we can have a full rebuild year. Sucks but it's where we are right now.
I'm with you on this. Don't know what people expected for Melo.
if the best long term piece you have coming back is a single second round pick - you wait.
Don't really know what people were expecting. We HAD to take bad salary no matter what due to Melo's huge contract. 2 years for Kanter is better than 3 for Anderson or Meyers Leonard, and now we can have a full rebuild year. Sucks but it's where we are right now.
Yup pretty much this. Kanter may be a better fit now that we're going to stop trying to force some fucking quasi sorta-triangle nonsense on the squad, but either way he becomes an expiring contract next year that we can trade too
can really score, his defense is really, really bad. McDermott career 39% from 3, not a bad player. Again my concern is Kanter/Willy. They can't play together.
Offensive player, pathetic on defense. Rough fit with Willy
Would the knicks consider dealing Willy ? I don't know his future I'd like to think we keep him and see where his potential lies... but I'd also think of dealing Willy of the return was too good to pass up. That's probably not likely.
Offensive player, pathetic on defense. Rough fit with Willy
Would the knicks consider dealing Willy ? I don't know his future I'd like to think we keep him and see where his potential lies... but I'd also think of dealing Willy of the return was too good to pass up. That's probably not likely.
Could they deal kanter mid season ?
The likely answer is they see Kanter as someone they move going forward. Doubtful Willy has much trade value after 1 solid season.
Don't really know what people were expecting. We HAD to take bad salary no matter what due to Melo's huge contract. 2 years for Kanter is better than 3 for Anderson or Meyers Leonard, and now we can have a full rebuild year. Sucks but it's where we are right now.
I'm with you on this. Don't know what people expected for Melo.
if the best long term piece you have coming back is a single second round pick - you wait.
Wait for what? Christmas? Good luck with that. Wait and knowing the knicks luck melo rips up his acl and we're stuck with him.
He's gone and the knicks didn't take back overpaid trash. Take it and run.
About a net cap savings of $4.5 million for next year, with no added liability beyond.
I guess the only question is could we have gotten better value by holding out until the deadline, but can't fault the Knicks for choosing to ship cranky Melo out of town now
Don't really know what people were expecting. We HAD to take bad salary no matter what due to Melo's huge contract. 2 years for Kanter is better than 3 for Anderson or Meyers Leonard, and now we can have a full rebuild year. Sucks but it's where we are right now.
I'm with you on this. Don't know what people expected for Melo.
if the best long term piece you have coming back is a single second round pick - you wait.
Wait for what, exactly? For Melo to be just good enough to win some meaningless games and prevent them from getting a top 5 pick?
Offensive player, pathetic on defense. Rough fit with Willy
Would the knicks consider dealing Willy ? I don't know his future I'd like to think we keep him and see where his potential lies... but I'd also think of dealing Willy of the return was too good to pass up. That's probably not likely.
Could they deal kanter mid season ?
Wily has a ton of value but he's the kind of guy you throw into a package to get a star..which isn't really the sort of trade this team will be making anytime soon. Unless they do an old school "challenge" trade and trade him for a young guard or a wing.
Don't really know what people were expecting. We HAD to take bad salary no matter what due to Melo's huge contract. 2 years for Kanter is better than 3 for Anderson or Meyers Leonard, and now we can have a full rebuild year. Sucks but it's where we are right now.
I'm with you on this. Don't know what people expected for Melo.
if the best long term piece you have coming back is a single second round pick - you wait.
Wait for what? Christmas? Good luck with that. Wait and knowing the knicks luck melo rips up his acl and we're stuck with him.
He's gone and the knicks didn't take back overpaid trash. Take it and run.
yup, this was the best possible return they were getting! Nobody else was going to offer more than a second rounder! Gotta take it! Just like they HAD to do all of the other dumb moves you've defended the last few years.
He fits into what we want to do percectly. We have a core of Willy, Porzingis, THJ, and Frank. Lets these kids grow together and hope they develop. I just hope we get a top pick this year. I don't want to be a team that thinks they can get the 8th seed in the east. Just be horrible and increase your chances at getting a top pick. Maybe flip some guys like Kanter and McDermott for more picks.
I'm just glad the knicks sort of have a clean slate from a roster pov. Ok there's Noah but who cares the knicks aren't losing a title shot because of Noah's contract. Hopefully the knicks peak as a title contender with this core but it won't be for a few years and Noah's off the books by then. Plus he's a locker room guy and seems intent on bouncing back this year.
So other than Noah not really any bad contracts. I'm excited to see hardaway here with the kids. I can get behind this group. Low expectations this season but a lot of youth and upside. As knicks fans we don't really get to experience these kind of fun seasons. If they win, lovely, if they lose -- tank and keep building.
The one thing we must shoot for in 2017-18 is KP taking another step forward. Gomez too. Ideally the knicks win in 2017 even though i know that would anger the tank crowd. I want to win. Winning is the ultimate perfume and can only help the culture here. But like I said if they lose, fine, get the draft star.
Don't really know what people were expecting. We HAD to take bad salary no matter what due to Melo's huge contract. 2 years for Kanter is better than 3 for Anderson or Meyers Leonard, and now we can have a full rebuild year. Sucks but it's where we are right now.
I'm with you on this. Don't know what people expected for Melo.
if the best long term piece you have coming back is a single second round pick - you wait.
Wait for what? Christmas? Good luck with that. Wait and knowing the knicks luck melo rips up his acl and we're stuck with him.
He's gone and the knicks didn't take back overpaid trash. Take it and run.
yup, this was the best possible return they were getting! Nobody else was going to offer more than a second rounder! Gotta take it! Just like they HAD to do all of the other dumb moves you've defended the last few years.
Well they got more than just a second round pick. And you're a miserable negative fan that hates every single trade or move this team makes so we can just agree to disagree.
Also I don't defend every deal they make. I try to make peace with them. There's a difference. I don't love this deal at all. But I can make peace with it. It's not a deal that sets us back. It's also a huge huge risk to "wait." But let's not address that am I right? You're always right I guess. You're gonna guarantee us all that waiting to deal melo doesn't hurt in the long run? You can't. Can you? This isn't a game it's a risk either way whether you acknowledge this or not. Also, the knicks did in fact wait. They could have made a terrible trade two months ago.
I'm just glad the knicks sort of have a clean slate from a roster pov. Ok there's Noah but who cares the knicks aren't losing a title shot because of Noah's contract. Hopefully the knicks peak as a title contender with this core but it won't be for a few years and Noah's off the books by then.
can really score, his defense is really, really bad. McDermott career 39% from 3, not a bad player. Again my concern is Kanter/Willy. They can't play together.
Dan - aren't Kanter and Willy both C's? I didn't see them playing together anyway, I thought one would back up the other.
baffled by the bad trade talk. Just by getting rid of Melo we increase our draft position. If you could look at this trade in hindsight with and without having Melo would you rather pick in the 5-10 range and have kept him. Or the 1-5 range without him. We weren't getting anything better for him later in the year. He had a NTC he wasn't going anywhere he didn't want to.
can really score, his defense is really, really bad. McDermott career 39% from 3, not a bad player. Again my concern is Kanter/Willy. They can't play together.
Dan - aren't Kanter and Willy both C's? I didn't see them playing together anyway, I thought one would back up the other.
Well that's my point. You aren't going to have Willy on the court with Kanter and they already have Noah. Kanter is going to eat into Willy's minutes, no way around it.
can really score, his defense is really, really bad. McDermott career 39% from 3, not a bad player. Again my concern is Kanter/Willy. They can't play together.
Dan - aren't Kanter and Willy both C's? I didn't see them playing together anyway, I thought one would back up the other.
Well that's my point. You aren't going to have Willy on the court with Kanter and they already have Noah. Kanter is going to eat into Willy's minutes, no way around it.
One would think Perry is aware of this. I don't think he's done dealing.
I'm glad Melo is gone, but don't like the trade. Â
I wanted at least 1 first round pick... the players were never important to me because they were never going to be difference makers regardless of where you got them from.
Just how bad this team is managed, almost inconceivable moves, one after the other, it has become so bad that when they make a bad trade like this one people are OK with it because it was not all world horrendous. any other organization would have gotten a 1st round pick, any other.
can really score, his defense is really, really bad. McDermott career 39% from 3, not a bad player. Again my concern is Kanter/Willy. They can't play together.
Dan - aren't Kanter and Willy both C's? I didn't see them playing together anyway, I thought one would back up the other.
Well that's my point. You aren't going to have Willy on the court with Kanter and they already have Noah. Kanter is going to eat into Willy's minutes, no way around it.
I see what you meant now. I misread your other post.
I'm not worried about Noah - he'll be suspended for a while and then he can be an emergency backup. He shouldn't get playing time.
There may be another move or moves coming, but if not I don't think Willy and Kanter splitting time is so bad. Wasn't Kanter the second-string C at OKC? That's how their depth chart showed it. Give Willy 28 or 30 minutes and Kanter 18 or 20.
Just how bad this team is managed, almost inconceivable moves, one after the other, it has become so bad that when they make a bad trade like this one people are OK with it because it was not all world horrendous. any other organization would have gotten a 1st round pick, any other.
huh? he is 33 nobody was getting a. 1st for melo, did the pacers get a 1st for george?
and how is it a bad trade? both players are still young and neither kill the cap...
getting a low round pick in the first round really makes a difference.
Are Kanter or McDermott guaranteed to be on the roster in 2 years? If the answer is no, then what did you just trade Melo for? Even a very low first has value for a rebuilding franchise.
getting a low round pick in the first round really makes a difference.
Are Kanter or McDermott guaranteed to be on the roster in 2 years? If the answer is no, then what did you just trade Melo for? Even a very low first has value for a rebuilding franchise.
the pick they got could be 31...
also with the only teams melo was willing to go to being cleveland houston or okc this was tje best possible deal...
are living in a dream world. Paul george was traded for the crappy contract of Victor Oladipo and Domantas Sabonis. Jimmy Butler was traded for Lavine (coming off knee surgery), Dunn, and a first round pick swap. Both those players are much better then this current version of 33 year old anthony and neither had a NTC. Sure George was telling everyone he wanted LA, still id rather have Kanter and McBuckets then Oladipo and sabonis.
Just how bad this team is managed, almost inconceivable moves, one after the other, it has become so bad that when they make a bad trade like this one people are OK with it because it was not all world horrendous. any other organization would have gotten a 1st round pick, any other.
Is anyone still opposed to the trade? Or are you cool with being on the same side of the argument as Paul?
This is pretty much a guarantee that the trade is good for the Knicks.
I hate that it sounds like we are holding onto Lee... Â
at least it did a month or so ago. Id rather those minutes go to the young guys.
Who Cares (jack, sessions, Baker)/Frank
THJR/Dotson
Beasley/Kuz/Thomas
KP/Kanter
WH/KOQ/Noah
I just want to see Frank, THJR, WH, KP and even kanter get around 30-35 minutes a game. I dont want to see Session, Jack, Thomas, Lee, Noah, etc.. Eating up anywhere near 30 minutes.
Maybe they flip one, or both for more picks? OKC didn't really have the picks to offer.
I'm with you on this. Don't know what people expected for Melo.
Best of luck !
Kanter will be flipped later this year.
Perry is our God
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Don't really know what people were expecting. We HAD to take bad salary no matter what due to Melo's huge contract. 2 years for Kanter is better than 3 for Anderson or Meyers Leonard, and now we can have a full rebuild year. Sucks but it's where we are right now.
I'm with you on this. Don't know what people expected for Melo.
if the best long term piece you have coming back is a single second round pick - you wait.
Yup pretty much this. Kanter may be a better fit now that we're going to stop trying to force some fucking quasi sorta-triangle nonsense on the squad, but either way he becomes an expiring contract next year that we can trade too
Would the knicks consider dealing Willy ? I don't know his future I'd like to think we keep him and see where his potential lies... but I'd also think of dealing Willy of the return was too good to pass up. That's probably not likely.
Could they deal kanter mid season ?
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Offensive player, pathetic on defense. Rough fit with Willy
Would the knicks consider dealing Willy ? I don't know his future I'd like to think we keep him and see where his potential lies... but I'd also think of dealing Willy of the return was too good to pass up. That's probably not likely.
Could they deal kanter mid season ?
The likely answer is they see Kanter as someone they move going forward. Doubtful Willy has much trade value after 1 solid season.
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Don't really know what people were expecting. We HAD to take bad salary no matter what due to Melo's huge contract. 2 years for Kanter is better than 3 for Anderson or Meyers Leonard, and now we can have a full rebuild year. Sucks but it's where we are right now.
I'm with you on this. Don't know what people expected for Melo.
if the best long term piece you have coming back is a single second round pick - you wait.
Wait for what? Christmas? Good luck with that. Wait and knowing the knicks luck melo rips up his acl and we're stuck with him.
He's gone and the knicks didn't take back overpaid trash. Take it and run.
I guess the only question is could we have gotten better value by holding out until the deadline, but can't fault the Knicks for choosing to ship cranky Melo out of town now
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Don't really know what people were expecting. We HAD to take bad salary no matter what due to Melo's huge contract. 2 years for Kanter is better than 3 for Anderson or Meyers Leonard, and now we can have a full rebuild year. Sucks but it's where we are right now.
I'm with you on this. Don't know what people expected for Melo.
if the best long term piece you have coming back is a single second round pick - you wait.
Wait for what, exactly? For Melo to be just good enough to win some meaningless games and prevent them from getting a top 5 pick?
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Offensive player, pathetic on defense. Rough fit with Willy
Would the knicks consider dealing Willy ? I don't know his future I'd like to think we keep him and see where his potential lies... but I'd also think of dealing Willy of the return was too good to pass up. That's probably not likely.
Could they deal kanter mid season ?
Wily has a ton of value but he's the kind of guy you throw into a package to get a star..which isn't really the sort of trade this team will be making anytime soon. Unless they do an old school "challenge" trade and trade him for a young guard or a wing.
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Don't really know what people were expecting. We HAD to take bad salary no matter what due to Melo's huge contract. 2 years for Kanter is better than 3 for Anderson or Meyers Leonard, and now we can have a full rebuild year. Sucks but it's where we are right now.
I'm with you on this. Don't know what people expected for Melo.
if the best long term piece you have coming back is a single second round pick - you wait.
Wait for what? Christmas? Good luck with that. Wait and knowing the knicks luck melo rips up his acl and we're stuck with him.
He's gone and the knicks didn't take back overpaid trash. Take it and run.
yup, this was the best possible return they were getting! Nobody else was going to offer more than a second rounder! Gotta take it! Just like they HAD to do all of the other dumb moves you've defended the last few years.
I love it.
Woah I just assumed he was gone..
Damn that's weird.
So other than Noah not really any bad contracts. I'm excited to see hardaway here with the kids. I can get behind this group. Low expectations this season but a lot of youth and upside. As knicks fans we don't really get to experience these kind of fun seasons. If they win, lovely, if they lose -- tank and keep building.
The one thing we must shoot for in 2017-18 is KP taking another step forward. Gomez too. Ideally the knicks win in 2017 even though i know that would anger the tank crowd. I want to win. Winning is the ultimate perfume and can only help the culture here. But like I said if they lose, fine, get the draft star.
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Don't really know what people were expecting. We HAD to take bad salary no matter what due to Melo's huge contract. 2 years for Kanter is better than 3 for Anderson or Meyers Leonard, and now we can have a full rebuild year. Sucks but it's where we are right now.
I'm with you on this. Don't know what people expected for Melo.
if the best long term piece you have coming back is a single second round pick - you wait.
Wait for what? Christmas? Good luck with that. Wait and knowing the knicks luck melo rips up his acl and we're stuck with him.
He's gone and the knicks didn't take back overpaid trash. Take it and run.
yup, this was the best possible return they were getting! Nobody else was going to offer more than a second rounder! Gotta take it! Just like they HAD to do all of the other dumb moves you've defended the last few years.
Well they got more than just a second round pick. And you're a miserable negative fan that hates every single trade or move this team makes so we can just agree to disagree.
Also I don't defend every deal they make. I try to make peace with them. There's a difference. I don't love this deal at all. But I can make peace with it. It's not a deal that sets us back. It's also a huge huge risk to "wait." But let's not address that am I right? You're always right I guess. You're gonna guarantee us all that waiting to deal melo doesn't hurt in the long run? You can't. Can you? This isn't a game it's a risk either way whether you acknowledge this or not. Also, the knicks did in fact wait. They could have made a terrible trade two months ago.
So other than Noah not really any bad contracts.
Thomas? He's a waste of a signing
I agree. Neither player can play a lick of defense.
Dan - aren't Kanter and Willy both C's? I didn't see them playing together anyway, I thought one would back up the other.
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can really score, his defense is really, really bad. McDermott career 39% from 3, not a bad player. Again my concern is Kanter/Willy. They can't play together.
Dan - aren't Kanter and Willy both C's? I didn't see them playing together anyway, I thought one would back up the other.
Well that's my point. You aren't going to have Willy on the court with Kanter and they already have Noah. Kanter is going to eat into Willy's minutes, no way around it.
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can really score, his defense is really, really bad. McDermott career 39% from 3, not a bad player. Again my concern is Kanter/Willy. They can't play together.
Dan - aren't Kanter and Willy both C's? I didn't see them playing together anyway, I thought one would back up the other.
Well that's my point. You aren't going to have Willy on the court with Kanter and they already have Noah. Kanter is going to eat into Willy's minutes, no way around it.
One would think Perry is aware of this. I don't think he's done dealing.
This is all yours now KP.
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can really score, his defense is really, really bad. McDermott career 39% from 3, not a bad player. Again my concern is Kanter/Willy. They can't play together.
Dan - aren't Kanter and Willy both C's? I didn't see them playing together anyway, I thought one would back up the other.
Well that's my point. You aren't going to have Willy on the court with Kanter and they already have Noah. Kanter is going to eat into Willy's minutes, no way around it.
I see what you meant now. I misread your other post.
I'm not worried about Noah - he'll be suspended for a while and then he can be an emergency backup. He shouldn't get playing time.
There may be another move or moves coming, but if not I don't think Willy and Kanter splitting time is so bad. Wasn't Kanter the second-string C at OKC? That's how their depth chart showed it. Give Willy 28 or 30 minutes and Kanter 18 or 20.
huh? he is 33 nobody was getting a. 1st for melo, did the pacers get a 1st for george?
and how is it a bad trade? both players are still young and neither kill the cap...
Are Kanter or McDermott guaranteed to be on the roster in 2 years? If the answer is no, then what did you just trade Melo for? Even a very low first has value for a rebuilding franchise.
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getting a low round pick in the first round really makes a difference.
Are Kanter or McDermott guaranteed to be on the roster in 2 years? If the answer is no, then what did you just trade Melo for? Even a very low first has value for a rebuilding franchise.
the pick they got could be 31...
also with the only teams melo was willing to go to being cleveland houston or okc this was tje best possible deal...
I think so.
Is anyone still opposed to the trade? Or are you cool with being on the same side of the argument as Paul?
This is pretty much a guarantee that the trade is good for the Knicks.
Who Cares (jack, sessions, Baker)/Frank
THJR/Dotson
Beasley/Kuz/Thomas
KP/Kanter
WH/KOQ/Noah
I just want to see Frank, THJR, WH, KP and even kanter get around 30-35 minutes a game. I dont want to see Session, Jack, Thomas, Lee, Noah, etc.. Eating up anywhere near 30 minutes.