To get back in it to go ahead by 3 and then allow them to tie it and then get a shot at the end! Just sucks! Talk about demoralizing losses?! Can the agiants recover to win a
Some games? This season is terrible!
But this defense mostly intact from last year was ass raped all fucking game. A disgusting embarrassing performance from what was supposed to be the best D in the league according to some. I'm done watching this team. The O finally showed up and the defense can't stop one player. The defense is as bad as the offense. Overrated GARBAGE D. The next run they stop will be their first. Eli Apple is a fucking bust. One of the worst CBs in the league.
But this defense mostly intact from last year was ass raped all fucking game. A disgusting embarrassing performance from what was supposed to be the best D in the league according to some. I'm done watching this team. The O finally showed up and the defense can't stop one player. The defense is as bad as the offense. Overrated GARBAGE D. The next run they stop will be their first. Eli Apple is a fucking bust. One of the worst CBs in the league.
Stupid coach. Stupid players. Of particular note. Brad Wing: Choke artist as a punter. Seen it too much already. Odell Beckham Jr.: Dramatic faking of injury today made him sit out end of critical drive. Behaved like a child. Again. Head Coach Ben McCadoo: Asinine play calls cost us at least 10 points. Season Over.
What a joke hey look at the positives we score 20 yeaaaah
Apple two PI's I thought he got jobbed but it is what it is
then he gives up the last pass play again I have no idea
with what he was doing but Jenkins clocked him .
Just another disappointing loss to Philly they kept us in
the game and we still blew it .
The to celebration TD's go to the coach for not addressing
this last week . We played much better when Cox left the game
I have no confidence in Mac going forward not sure why they
are keeping a FB ....
said this loss is all on the Defense. At first I thought that was mornonic.
But then again, considering that they were on the field for almost 38 minutes today, maybe he's got a a point.
Stupid coach. Stupid players. Of particular note. Brad Wing: Choke artist as a punter. Seen it too much already. Odell Beckham Jr.: Dramatic faking of injury today made him sit out end of critical drive. Behaved like a child. Again. Head Coach Ben McCadoo: Asinine play calls cost us at least 10 points. Season Over.
Dramatic faking of injury? He got fucking clotheslined.
this team is terrible and it's been that way since he drafted. No talent around him and today the D folds twice as well. Poor coaching cost them probably 10-13 points
Wasted a great effort from Eli and OB
Giants always ring unique ways to lose to the Eagles Â
GM and Coach in the NFL, Reese can no longer ride EA's coat tails. If not for the players that were left behind this moron couldn't build a fucking hobby horse. This coach is so stupid that he gives the Eagles another shot, his team is so undisciplined that it shows the players have absolutely no respect for this fucking tool. Can't even watch a football game now. John Mara put an end to this shitshow now!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BTW, Eli Apple sucks! Glad they used the 10th pick of the draft on him last year, rather than an O Lineman that was needed here! Nice punt there Brad, really swell.
I love Eli. Its over. Fire GM coach and bring in all new people with defensive and physical running philosophy.
Stop the BS. This team sucks.
Why do fans have to constantly overreact like this? Yes, there's some bad football right now on the field, however, the Giants are not firing anybody during the season, and in fact will probably not fire anybody after the season. It's just not the Giants way of doing things.
I love Eli. Its over. Fire GM coach and bring in all new people with defensive and physical running philosophy.
Stop the BS. This team sucks.
Why do fans have to constantly overreact like this? Yes, there's some bad football right now on the field, however, the Giants are not firing anybody during the season, and in fact will probably not fire anybody after the season. It's just not the Giants way of doing things.
They need to be realistic. They will not be able to fix the o-line and have money for signing OB and keeping the D intact. It's better to admit the window closed and start over.
BTW, Eli Apple sucks! Glad they used the 10th pick of the draft on him last year, rather than an O Lineman that was needed here! Nice punt there Brad, really swell.
The great 'offense' and its genius, Ray McHandley, force the D to play 1.5 games each week. They're exhausted.
I love Mac's call on 1st and 20. Run or short pass?
RE: RE: So who the fuck are we beating this year? Â
Flowers are first round picks and high first round picks, he brings back Jerry to the offensive line when he proved he stunk. John Mara where the fuck are you, what did you let happen, what did you do in all this. He is another fool.
now spin doctor this shit and make excuses and ignore the fact..this tram has serious flaws..it can go from one unit to another..at any time..bottom line they don't know how to win ..play smart consistantly..nor have talent in several spots. decision making runs from top to bottom..flawed..completely flawed..and they'll spin doctor everyone in not believing with your own eyes
Offense plays bad and defense and specials plays decent.
Offense finally makes plays and puts team in a position to win, and defense and specials chokes game away.
This is a bad team
I think everybody on BBI secretly knew how this would end Â
deep down inside...a special teams fuckup and then a defensive lapse and a miracle FG...not even surprising with all the fuckups today by this team and the officiating.
DTs not helping the LBers this year. Snacks still Snacks, however the DT lined up next to him seems to be allowing the blockers to get to the second level and the LBers getting taken out of plays. I saw Casillas on many occasions taken right out of making a play. Hankins may be a huge loss after all, at least until Tomlinson catches on.
BTW, Eli Apple sucks! Glad they used the 10th pick of the draft on him last year, rather than an O Lineman that was needed here! Nice punt there Brad, really swell.
The great 'offense' and its genius, Ray McHandley, force the D to play 1.5 games each week. They're exhausted.
I love Mac's call on 1st and 20. Run or short pass?
In case you didn't notice, blew two leads in the 4th.
What game were you watching. That had nothing to do with
the offense, scored 24 points in 4th qtr., did you notice that as well. Yeah, Eli Apple sucks!
Clearly he was told to kick it out of bounds. A recipe for disaster. The coach should have told him to kick away. He is not a directional punter. Stupidity.
RE: Pass pro and pass D was pretty damn good....... Â
Stupid coach. Stupid players. Of particular note. Brad Wing: Choke artist as a punter. Seen it too much already. Odell Beckham Jr.: Dramatic faking of injury today made him sit out end of critical drive. Behaved like a child. Again. Head Coach Ben McCadoo: Asinine play calls cost us at least 10 points. Season Over.
This. Odell penalty. Engram penalty. Such a poorly coached team.
Clearly he was told to kick it out of bounds. A recipe for disaster. The coach should have told him to kick away. He is not a directional punter. Stupidity.
Was thinking the same thing. Quinn with flashbacks to 2010 but Desean Jackson is in Tampa.
I love Eli. Its over. Fire GM coach and bring in all new people with defensive and physical running philosophy.
Stop the BS. This team sucks.
Why do fans have to constantly overreact like this? Yes, there's some bad football right now on the field, however, the Giants are not firing anybody during the season, and in fact will probably not fire anybody after the season. It's just not the Giants way of doing things.
Part venting, part truth to me.
I want the Giants to build a strong team that plays physical smash mouth football again.
This HC was given a job to keep the offense progress going and he has failed.
The defense and weak schedule covered for how bad this team is last year. I expect the bottom to fall out of this season. The Giants may have a shot at QB. Eli can still do it, but it is time to do what should have been done after Coughlin was shit canned. Blow it all up and see if Eli is willing to go somewhere else for a shot at another ring.
McAdoo has failed. Reese can not build a consistently competitive roster.
Blow it up.
I did not mean fire them now. I would fire them after the season.
I usually don't laugh that hard losing to Filthy but that
one got me ...
Goats of the game ?
Eli I can,t find the ball Apple
Darian Late to the party Thompson The RB's took us 3 games
to break 100 yards again at a 2.9 yards per rush .
O-line played there best game of the year but it wasn't
enough to be a factor in the run game .
Coaches and Front offices for there top 10 selections and
there inability to judge O-line talent the dink and dunk
offense longest play of the 1st half was 10 yards .
Gifted with field position found a way not to score .
RE: RE: Pass pro and pass D was pretty damn good....... Â
Is not the only reason the offense has regressed. If the OC/HC is a bonehead, against whom the most witless DC can scheme, this team will continue to lose. The offense had another goose-egg for at least 45 mins, and the calls at the end were unimpressive.
The problems begin at the top.
The owners of this team have made historically bad whiffs in HC promotions: Lombardi, Landry, and Belichick. They promoted no-names Webster, Handley, Fassel, and McAdoo. After leaving the Giants, the first three were never again a HC in the NFL. I guarantee that when McAdoo is dumped at the end of this year or (God forbid) next year, he'll never become a HC in the NFL again. Would you hire him as a HC, and if so, why?
I love Eli. Its over. Fire GM coach and bring in all new people with defensive and physical running philosophy.
Stop the BS. This team sucks.
Why do fans have to constantly overreact like this? Yes, there's some bad football right now on the field, however, the Giants are not firing anybody during the season, and in fact will probably not fire anybody after the season. It's just not the Giants way of doing things.
Part venting, part truth to me.
I want the Giants to build a strong team that plays physical smash mouth football again.
This HC was given a job to keep the offense progress going and he has failed.
The defense and weak schedule covered for how bad this team is last year. I expect the bottom to fall out of this season. The Giants may have a shot at QB. Eli can still do it, but it is time to do what should have been done after Coughlin was shit canned. Blow it all up and see if Eli is willing to go somewhere else for a shot at another ring.
McAdoo has failed. Reese can not build a consistently competitive roster.
Blow it up.
I did not mean fire them now. I would fire them after the season.
Just not the Giants way, even with a poor record this year. McAdoo will get another year to prove his worth. He'll be on the hot seat next year IMO. He did have an 11-5 record in his first year, even if the offense was not great. He'll get the shadow of the doubt for one more IMO. Reese is another story, but the Giants just don't fire GMs.
Giants run defense sucks. <b>They never should have let Hankins go.[/b]
Actually I never said that they should keep Hankins, although it might turn out to be true.
I just wanted to be the first to say it.
Actually I wanted most to keep JPP. He's been OK, but not the dominant playmaker he was supposed to be for all that money. Vernon and Harrison haven't earned their huge salaries either.
All on McAdoo. Bad bad play calling. First half fool Â
mostly because the Giants today had all the things happen that happen to bad teams.
We hear about the elite Giants defense, but twice with leads in the 4th quarter, they were not so elite.
A pass completed to the 10 yard line in a tie game, an opportunity to run the clock and score a winning touchdown, or field goal, called back on a call I've never seen before.
Other teams catch opponents with too many men on the field, only the Giants can get penalized in that situation.
Finally, 56 sec to go, great opportunity for a winning field goal drive, illegal shift, the inevitable hold from the left tackle, a 3rd down completion 1 yard short of the 1st down, a horrible kick, and a completion out of bounds with 1 second left with two defenders knocking each other down.
IMO, the Giants have better players than many if not most teams. Certainly, better than the Eagles. Their coach, however, just doesn't know what he's doing. In every game I've watched in the past 2 years, commentators, some in the HOF, have noted how bone-headed McAdoo is. Is Ron White the one who says, "You can't cure stupid?"
If Mac continues for a year after this, the team will not do appreciably better, IMO. Summon Harbaugh from Michigan. That is someone who can coach.
upset. This season was over when they stuck with this OL and didn't do a thing to improve it.
This, unfortunately, is 100% correct! I'll go back even further. We were doomed when they kept Reese for another year. He really sucks. He build this o-line and in 5 years it got worse each year.
there isnt much more I can say.. Its not even losing three games.. its the sheer ineptness in the losing... its like they FIND ways to screw themselves over..
Im pretty much done.. I woke up this morning knowing they would lose something like 27-10 or 27-14...
this team is done.. easily could be 0-7 when the bye week rolls around.. 2-5 with luck..
Is not the only reason the offense has regressed. If the OC/HC is a bonehead, against whom the most witless DC can scheme, this team will continue to lose. The offense had another goose-egg for at least 45 mins, and the calls at the end were unimpressive.
The problems begin at the top.
The owners of this team have made historically bad whiffs in HC promotions: Lombardi, Landry, and Belichick. They promoted no-names Webster, Handley, Fassel, and McAdoo. After leaving the Giants, the first three were never again a HC in the NFL. I guarantee that when McAdoo is dumped at the end of this year or (God forbid) next year, he'll never become a HC in the NFL again. Would you hire him as a HC, and if so, why?
Fassel was not a promotion. He was an outside hire for HC after the Dan Reeves disaster.
And the team was pretty succesful under Fassel. .522 winning percentage, and 2-3 in the playoffs, including a Super Bowl appearance. Kerry Collins under Fassel threw the Giants' first 300 yard game that I can remember (as an early millenial, I was too young during Simms's peak).
When you pick in the top 10 in the draft you hopefully pick one,if not two terrific players. Reese picked Flowers and Apple in the top 10 and both guys absolutely stink. Flowers has never played a clean game and Apple has no ball skills at all and as the scouts said about him before the draft is that he is too handsy and will get called for it plenty. They were right.
Is not the only reason the offense has regressed. If the OC/HC is a bonehead, against whom the most witless DC can scheme, this team will continue to lose. The offense had another goose-egg for at least 45 mins, and the calls at the end were unimpressive.
The problems begin at the top.
The owners of this team have made historically bad whiffs in HC promotions: Lombardi, Landry, and Belichick. They promoted no-names Webster, Handley, Fassel, and McAdoo. After leaving the Giants, the first three were never again a HC in the NFL. I guarantee that when McAdoo is dumped at the end of this year or (God forbid) next year, he'll never become a HC in the NFL again. Would you hire him as a HC, and if so, why?
Fassel was not a promotion. He was an outside hire for HC after the Dan Reeves disaster.
And the team was pretty succesful under Fassel. .522 winning percentage, and 2-3 in the playoffs, including a Super Bowl appearance. Kerry Collins under Fassel threw the Giants' first 300 yard game that I can remember (as an early millenial, I was too young during Simms's peak).
Promotions need not only be internal! Making another team's coordinator your HC is a promotion. For Giants fans used to 6-10 (.375), .500 is successful. The Giants' talent was better than 34-7 in the SB. I can tell you're a millennial.
Run it on 3rd if you fail take the 3 points either way really
or fake the run and roll out
Not one reverse today . 3 games 150 yards 2.9 average not
gonna get it done
This crap will continue. Poor clock management, not in OBJ's face after his penalty, deciding to kick or not kick field goals, which players to put in or take out are all symptoms of too much on his plate. He is concentrating on play calling not game management. The head coach is their to manage the game, the assistant coaches, and the players.
He was not the offensive coordinator at Green Bay. He finally gets that job with the Giants and doesn't give it up. He is got to learn to delegate. Lombardi and Landry made Jim Lee Howell. Belechik and Earhart made Parcells. Yes, the head coach can influence the OC and DC but a confident Head Coach will delagate.
Eli's first INT.
Shepard's dropped TD.
Tons of missed tackles, especially on Wentz and Smallwood.
Bad play calling on fourth down, especially running Darkwa into the line on fourth and goal.
You need a great coach and QB to win in that situation. We had the latter, but not the former. The first INT was on Eli, but the second was inevitable. Teams sit on those short passes because they know our OL can't protect long enough for our receivers to get downfield. That means a lot of traffic, and deflections. Eli was in fact borderline masterful. He made a lot of great throws, and had no running game again.
Apple has promise, but isn't ready to be a boundary corner. Teams pick on him because they know he has trouble finding the ball, which leads to penalties. I don't blame Reese for not taking Tunsil, and the Titans and Bears traded up for Conklin and Floyd.
Reese has far too much confidence in his drafting ability, evidence for which is that he has never traded down in any round. More evidence is that he had to spend $200M to repair the DL, and the current state of the OL.
Run it on 3rd if you fail take the 3 points either way really
or fake the run and roll out
Not one reverse today . 3 games 150 yards 2.9 average not
gonna get it done
i mean, to be honest, it was a great play call with perfect execution. shepard just didnt catch the ball all they way thru. i wouldve preferred a qb sneak, but we just dont do that.
4th down...yea, take the 3.
If you have no confidence on 3rd down to run it in on 3 inch line Â
you should then have had Wayne Gallman active. His draft profile:
Trusted option on fourth and short situations. Decisive in the red zone and brings some attitude with him. Finished with 28 rushing touchdowns over last two seasons. Strong second effort near the goal line when his initial charge is stopped
the OL wouldn't have been that difficult. Sign Whitworth instead of Ellison and Marshall. Draft Cam Robinson instead of Evan Engram. Move Flowers to RG in the offseason.
Reese thought the best way to get teams out of all those cover 2 shells was to add a seam stretching TE. He was wrong. The best way to do that is to get a run game to force teams to bring one or two more players into the box. He instead brought the same five OL starters back from last year. We already had Adams. Even without Marshall, Engram was a luxury, especially when compared to the needs on the OL. Reese just didn't want to use another first round pick on the OL since doing so would have been tantamount to admitting that all picks he'd already spent on that unit weren't enough.
In the past year and 3 games, McAdoo has been growing into his head coaching position. But he seems to be going with his gut too many times for his own good when it comes to being in scoring situations.
First of all, the Giants offense is not getting many scoring opportunities, so they have to cash in on each one that is available.
That said, there are 2 philosophies that I think of when I'm seeing McAdoo screw up, and today took the cake.
Back in the 1980s, when you listened to John Madden, and when he wasn't doing his "boom/whap" stuff, he was very insightful. Madden always made 2 points when a team was in a tough game on the road. First- do not challenge a defense who is at home. Second- always take the first points of the game when they are available.
McAdoo should have swallowed his pride at the end of the half and taken the 3 points. What invariably happens is you end up chasing those points the rest of the game, and it bit them in the ass.
That leads to philosophy #2- and this one wasn't a football guy, but rather in basketball. Frank Layden, a former coach and GM, used to say "the moment you start listening to the fans is when you will sit next to them". McAdoo needs to be above all the crap, the emotion, he needs to be calculating what is going on and the big picture of the game. He's making emotional decisions based on frustration and making it worse. When you know you are struggling and your offensive line is not getting a push, you don't try to hammer it in there. We all saw why the Giants went to a shotgun on 3rd and inches at the goal line. Why decide to nut up and power it in on 4th down?
And now the dumb penalties are starting again. Horrific play at the worst time possible, and shit luck to boot, when clock operators and 61 yard field goals are involved.
Has demonstrated he cannot
1) select coaching staff
2) organize draft
3) select players/value in draft position
4) work well with cap
5) build or rebuild a football team, ala George young or EA
He needs to go and Mara/Tisch should begin searching for new GM and FO ASAP.
Other than that, thank Eli and make sure Spaga is not promoted with same FO
On short yardage running plays of 1 yard or less, why not:
(1) Move Flowers inside to LG, and Jones to LT
(2) Substitute Fluker in for Jerry at RG
(3) Move Eli in under center
(4) Line up the RB only 2.5 yards behind Eli
But could Beckham have jumped up and knocked the ball away at the back of the end zone if it was reachable just over the cross bar?
I'm not saying it was. Just curious if there's a rule against that
Its not should of had EE or BM back there to block the low FG .... 20/20 hindsight
Wrong, I think it is illegal. Back in the 1960s/1970s, the Raiders had a guy named Ted Hendricks aka "the Mad Stork". Hendricks was 6'7" and he used to stand right by the cross bar and jump up and knock down field goals that were coming down. I think he's the all time NFL leader in blocked field goals...until the league passed a rule to stop that. Essentially he became Dikembe Mutumbo back there swatting away field goals like goal tending in basketball.
RE: McAdoo showing immaturity in game time decisions Â
In the past year and 3 games, McAdoo has been growing into his head coaching position. But he seems to be going with his gut too many times for his own good when it comes to being in scoring situations.
First of all, the Giants offense is not getting many scoring opportunities, so they have to cash in on each one that is available.
That said, there are 2 philosophies that I think of when I'm seeing McAdoo screw up, and today took the cake.
Back in the 1980s, when you listened to John Madden, and when he wasn't doing his "boom/whap" stuff, he was very insightful. Madden always made 2 points when a team was in a tough game on the road. First- do not challenge a defense who is at home. Second- always take the first points of the game when they are available.
McAdoo should have swallowed his pride at the end of the half and taken the 3 points. What invariably happens is you end up chasing those points the rest of the game, and it bit them in the ass.
That leads to philosophy #2- and this one wasn't a football guy, but rather in basketball. Frank Layden, a former coach and GM, used to say "the moment you start listening to the fans is when you will sit next to them". McAdoo needs to be above all the crap, the emotion, he needs to be calculating what is going on and the big picture of the game. He's making emotional decisions based on frustration and making it worse. When you know you are struggling and your offensive line is not getting a push, you don't try to hammer it in there. We all saw why the Giants went to a shotgun on 3rd and inches at the goal line. Why decide to nut up and power it in on 4th down?
And now the dumb penalties are starting again. Horrific play at the worst time possible, and shit luck to boot, when clock operators and 61 yard field goals are involved.
Except when you have spent 200 million for players and your franchise qb is on his last contract, you don't turn the Rolls Royce over to the student driver to drive.
"Growing into his job"? Are we running a freaking job fair? Did we offer on the job training? So we should be losing games because he's having a tantrum? Please
Eli Apple has been more responsible for our 3 losses Â
As I said in another thread, with the possible exception of Janoris Jenkins, everyone else made mistakes that led to this mess.
It starts with the head coach. He's not holding anyone accountable on the team for anything. Eli Apple has somehow surpassed Ereck Flowers as the biggest individual problem on the team, yet he's out there all the time. I LOVE LOVE LOVE Odell, but he can't be picking up moronic penalties with no recourse. He's 3+ years in... let him ride the pine for the next series so he gets it through his thick skull.
The drops, the awful decisions from the QB, the inability to run the ball at even an average rate, the missed tackles, the special teams mistakes... it all reflects poorly on the coach. And if they aren't going to call a QB sneak 6 inches from the goalline, kick the fucking FG. (I know Eli sucks at sneaks, but if he can't do that, we really need a new QB.)
on your Center and both Guards actually being able to leverage the DT's so the QB can get in.
In what parallel universe is this happening with this line? If you find it, and it has cable, please let me know what channel it's on, so I can watch.
They stopped running sneaks when Gilbride was still the OC and they had a good o-line because Eli wasn't good at it... he didn't get low enough and couldn't move the pile. He wasn't athletic enough for it.
more hilarious than the way they fucked up the end of game was Vernon's explanation for why he knelt.
Someone please remind him that Trump is his president, whether he likes it or not. Trump made a fool of himself the other day so the players decided they needed to do the same. Quite funny
more hilarious than the way they fucked up the end of game was Vernon's explanation for why he knelt.
Someone please remind him that Trump is his president, whether he likes it or not. Trump made a fool of himself the other day so the players decided they needed to do the same. Quite funny
There has to be at least 7 million other places on internet for this.
more hilarious than the way they fucked up the end of game was Vernon's explanation for why he knelt.
Someone please remind him that Trump is his president, whether he likes it or not. Trump made a fool of himself the other day so the players decided they needed to do the same. Quite funny
we need to start looking post Eli era. be it coaching or selecting a new franchise QB. the mismanagement of talent and proper coaching requires rebuilding instead of caulking the windows with McAddoo.
The kneeling stuff a distraction from a unit not getting it done. Do your fucking job. I just spent this weekend with my father in law, 90th birthday, a vet of 3 wars, recent honor flight and to watch these disgraceful players not respect the individuals that fought for the freedom for them to kneel, especially these highly paid fucktards that likely have never paid the price for anything but themselves.
The kneeling stuff a distraction from a unit not getting it done. Do your fucking job. I just spent this weekend with my father in law, 90th birthday, a vet of 3 wars, recent honor flight and to watch these disgraceful players not respect the individuals that fought for the freedom for them to kneel, especially these highly paid fucktards that likely have never paid the price for anything but themselves.
There has to be at least 7 million other places on the internet for this.
we need to start looking post Eli era. be it coaching or selecting a new franchise QB. the mismanagement of talent and proper coaching requires rebuilding instead of caulking the windows with McAddoo.
The kneeling stuff a distraction from a unit not getting it done. Do your fucking job. I just spent this weekend with my father in law, 90th birthday, a vet of 3 wars, recent honor flight and to watch these disgraceful players not respect the individuals that fought for the freedom for them to kneel, especially these highly paid fucktards that likely have never paid the price for anything but themselves.
stop killing us and we'll stop kneeling. yall go first
This crap will continue. Poor clock management, not in OBJ's face after his penalty, deciding to kick or not kick field goals, which players to put in or take out are all symptoms of too much on his plate. He is concentrating on play calling not game management. The head coach is their to manage the game, the assistant coaches, and the players.
He was not the offensive coordinator at Green Bay. He finally gets that job with the Giants and doesn't give it up. He is got to learn to delegate. Lombardi and Landry made Jim Lee Howell. Belechik and Earhart made Parcells. Yes, the head coach can influence the OC and DC but a confident Head Coach will delagate.
Bingo. More power to the HC that can manage playcalling duties but many others are just not capable. Ben needs to Ditch the diner menu!
The kneeling stuff a distraction from a unit not getting it done. Do your fucking job. I just spent this weekend with my father in law, 90th birthday, a vet of 3 wars, recent honor flight and to watch these disgraceful players not respect the individuals that fought for the freedom for them to kneel, especially these highly paid fucktards that likely have never paid the price for anything but themselves.
There has to be at least 7 million other places on the internet for this.
And this is one of them, because the NFL brought here and on itself. Get used to it.
The kneeling stuff a distraction from a unit not getting it done. Do your fucking job. I just spent this weekend with my father in law, 90th birthday, a vet of 3 wars, recent honor flight and to watch these disgraceful players not respect the individuals that fought for the freedom for them to kneel, especially these highly paid fucktards that likely have never paid the price for anything but themselves.
There has to be at least 7 million other places on the internet for this.
And this is one of them, because the NFL brought here and on itself. Get used to it.
Really? this thread? ... about the Giants' vs Eagles' post game discussion?
The kneeling stuff a distraction from a unit not getting it done. Do your fucking job. I just spent this weekend with my father in law, 90th birthday, a vet of 3 wars, recent honor flight and to watch these disgraceful players not respect the individuals that fought for the freedom for them to kneel, especially these highly paid fucktards that likely have never paid the price for anything but themselves.
There has to be at least 7 million other places on the internet for this.
And this is one of them, because the NFL brought here and on itself. Get used to it.
Really? this thread? ... about the Giants' vs Eagles' post game discussion?
no problem, you saw how our team sucked ass today. Anything else to add?
I recall in the late 60's the Chiefs had a defensive lineman named Gene Trosch who stood at 6-7 or so. Hank Stram used to put him under the goal posts to jump up and knock field goals away. I don't know if it was even legal then because I don't recall if Trosch interfered with any field goal. Anyone else remember this and if it was legal? BTW,I believe Trosch was the first ever draft choice for the Chiefs.
Everybody settle down. We played good enough to win this game. We couldn't beat the officials or refs in the 4 qtr. Some really bad calls against us gave the pigeons great field position. Predicting we win our next 6 in a row and where we go from there who knows. Go Giants! Also, stand for the national anthem, so disrespectful!
I am still interested in what the hell Eli Apple thought he Â
On the infamous DOG penalty the Eagle player comes over on the Giants side, cutting through the O-line. The Giants are coming to the line and he crosses it practically running into Jerry. I am not sure of the rule myself pre-snap. Shouldn't he have stayed on his side of the LOS?
I recall in the late 60's the Chiefs had a defensive lineman named Gene Trosch who stood at 6-7 or so. Hank Stram used to put him under the goal posts to jump up and knock field goals away. I don't know if it was even legal then because I don't recall if Trosch interfered with any field goal. Anyone else remember this and if it was legal? BTW,I believe Trosch was the first ever draft choice for the Chiefs.
Actually, the Chiefs had a 6'-10" tight end named Morris Stroud that Stram would use in that situation. I don't know if he ever got one.
I recall in the late 60's the Chiefs had a defensive lineman named Gene Trosch who stood at 6-7 or so. Hank Stram used to put him under the goal posts to jump up and knock field goals away. I don't know if it was even legal then because I don't recall if Trosch interfered with any field goal. Anyone else remember this and if it was legal? BTW,I believe Trosch was the first ever draft choice for the Chiefs.
Actually, the Chiefs had a 6'-10" tight end named Morris Stroud that Stram would use in that situation. I don't know if he ever got one.
Just looked up Morris Stroud on Wikipedia - may he RIP. The article said that they changed the rule, this is now illegal.
No NOT that one...
The cornerback that everyone in the league now knows beyond a doubt to attack for the next 13 games.
There was a reason he wasn't the top corner in the draft and for whatever reason, other than Reese thought his name was too cool to pass up, the Giants wasted the pick.
Apple alone set Philly up twice- his penalties alone were almost as much as they had for passing yards in the game.
Put him in as nickel at best. He alone has created the largest weakness in an otherwise pretty good defense.
Eli, sorry to waste the second half of your career.
Eli, sorry to waste the second half of your career.
Eli should look to move to another team.
He's the first who should go.
Yes. He is awful as well.
Pathetic!!! Jerry... and then whoever the snuck was that didnt get set on the hurry up!
Better stop watching.
To get back in it to go ahead by 3 and then allow them to tie it and then get a shot at the end! Just sucks! Talk about demoralizing losses?! Can the agiants recover to win a
Some games? This season is terrible!
Bye.
But holy hell.
And to Philly.
Ah well. At least I'll save many hundreds of dollars actually going to a game this season. Fuck that.
you knew there would be one second left.
Plenty of blame to around, though. From McAdoo on down.
Very disheartening loss. Ughhhhh.
This.
Is it too soon for it to be a trend?
Holy hell.
Apple two PI's I thought he got jobbed but it is what it is
then he gives up the last pass play again I have no idea
with what he was doing but Jenkins clocked him .
Just another disappointing loss to Philly they kept us in
the game and we still blew it .
The to celebration TD's go to the coach for not addressing
this last week . We played much better when Cox left the game
I have no confidence in Mac going forward not sure why they
are keeping a FB ....
But then again, considering that they were on the field for almost 38 minutes today, maybe he's got a a point.
But holy hell.
And to Philly.
Ah well. At least I'll save many hundreds of dollars actually going to a game this season. Fuck that.
yeah not worth spending money on. At least Yanks will be fun to watch and only ny team worth a shit
Dramatic faking of injury? He got fucking clotheslined.
I love Eli. Its over. Fire GM coach and bring in all new people with defensive and physical running philosophy.
Stop the BS. This team sucks.
Who do you put this game on? Coach?
Wasted a great effort from Eli and OB
The beauty will be this: The Giants will go 9-7 or 8-8, win some they have no business winning, and miss the playoffs by one game.
Time to officially start over.
Getting creative with their ineptitude. Season over - whatever
There's not much farther to fall.
I love Eli. Its over. Fire GM coach and bring in all new people with defensive and physical running philosophy.
Stop the BS. This team sucks.
Why do fans have to constantly overreact like this? Yes, there's some bad football right now on the field, however, the Giants are not firing anybody during the season, and in fact will probably not fire anybody after the season. It's just not the Giants way of doing things.
Upset on so many things but this one is infuriating me. I was mad with the play call and even more upset when he went out if bounds.
I'm trying to put emotions aside, but the tactical decisions are maddening
On the road in Minnesota. Most teams are not good on the road, and especially against that D at home. Look for a different team next week in Tampa.
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it up.
I love Eli. Its over. Fire GM coach and bring in all new people with defensive and physical running philosophy.
Stop the BS. This team sucks.
Why do fans have to constantly overreact like this? Yes, there's some bad football right now on the field, however, the Giants are not firing anybody during the season, and in fact will probably not fire anybody after the season. It's just not the Giants way of doing things.
They need to be realistic. They will not be able to fix the o-line and have money for signing OB and keeping the D intact. It's better to admit the window closed and start over.
Ourselves for sure.
The great 'offense' and its genius, Ray McHandley, force the D to play 1.5 games each week. They're exhausted.
I love Mac's call on 1st and 20. Run or short pass?
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The beauty will be this: The Giants will go 9-7 or 8-8, win some they have no business winning, and miss the playoffs by one game.
That would be typical
now spin doctor this shit and make excuses and ignore the fact..this tram has serious flaws..it can go from one unit to another..at any time..bottom line they don't know how to win ..play smart consistantly..nor have talent in several spots. decision making runs from top to bottom..flawed..completely flawed..and they'll spin doctor everyone in not believing with your own eyes
Offense finally makes plays and puts team in a position to win, and defense and specials chokes game away.
This is a bad team
They played 38 minutes in 90 degrees!
For what feels like the third week in a row
DTs not helping the LBers this year. Snacks still Snacks, however the DT lined up next to him seems to be allowing the blockers to get to the second level and the LBers getting taken out of plays. I saw Casillas on many occasions taken right out of making a play. Hankins may be a huge loss after all, at least until Tomlinson catches on.
Yard short...
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BTW, Eli Apple sucks! Glad they used the 10th pick of the draft on him last year, rather than an O Lineman that was needed here! Nice punt there Brad, really swell.
The great 'offense' and its genius, Ray McHandley, force the D to play 1.5 games each week. They're exhausted.
I love Mac's call on 1st and 20. Run or short pass?
In case you didn't notice, blew two leads in the 4th.
What game were you watching. That had nothing to do with
the offense, scored 24 points in 4th qtr., did you notice that as well. Yeah, Eli Apple sucks!
Pass pro? Lol. Eli was firing the ball out in exactly one second.
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Run D and Run O, horrendous.
Pass pro? Lol. Eli was firing the ball out in exactly one second.
exactly..it was get ball and out no time
This. Odell penalty. Engram penalty. Such a poorly coached team.
Was thinking the same thing. Quinn with flashbacks to 2010 but Desean Jackson is in Tampa.
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ran out of gas those guys were GASSED at the end
They played 38 minutes in 90 degrees!
For what feels like the third week in a row
That doesn't bode well for them in Tampa next week!
JPP has been dreadful.
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it up.
I love Eli. Its over. Fire GM coach and bring in all new people with defensive and physical running philosophy.
Stop the BS. This team sucks.
Why do fans have to constantly overreact like this? Yes, there's some bad football right now on the field, however, the Giants are not firing anybody during the season, and in fact will probably not fire anybody after the season. It's just not the Giants way of doing things.
Part venting, part truth to me.
I want the Giants to build a strong team that plays physical smash mouth football again.
This HC was given a job to keep the offense progress going and he has failed.
The defense and weak schedule covered for how bad this team is last year. I expect the bottom to fall out of this season. The Giants may have a shot at QB. Eli can still do it, but it is time to do what should have been done after Coughlin was shit canned. Blow it all up and see if Eli is willing to go somewhere else for a shot at another ring.
McAdoo has failed. Reese can not build a consistently competitive roster.
Blow it up.
I did not mean fire them now. I would fire them after the season.
That coach won two titles and build two franchises to the top of their conference.
This guy took his job and has destroyed the offense and improved nothing.
one got me ...
Goats of the game ?
Eli I can,t find the ball Apple
Darian Late to the party Thompson The RB's took us 3 games
to break 100 yards again at a 2.9 yards per rush .
O-line played there best game of the year but it wasn't
enough to be a factor in the run game .
Coaches and Front offices for there top 10 selections and
there inability to judge O-line talent the dink and dunk
offense longest play of the 1st half was 10 yards .
Gifted with field position found a way not to score .
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Run D and Run O, horrendous.
Pass pro? Lol. Eli was firing the ball out in exactly one second.
He had plenty of time on numerous pass plays and wasn't sacked all day. What game are you watching?
The problems begin at the top.
The owners of this team have made historically bad whiffs in HC promotions: Lombardi, Landry, and Belichick. They promoted no-names Webster, Handley, Fassel, and McAdoo. After leaving the Giants, the first three were never again a HC in the NFL. I guarantee that when McAdoo is dumped at the end of this year or (God forbid) next year, he'll never become a HC in the NFL again. Would you hire him as a HC, and if so, why?
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it up.
I love Eli. Its over. Fire GM coach and bring in all new people with defensive and physical running philosophy.
Stop the BS. This team sucks.
Why do fans have to constantly overreact like this? Yes, there's some bad football right now on the field, however, the Giants are not firing anybody during the season, and in fact will probably not fire anybody after the season. It's just not the Giants way of doing things.
Part venting, part truth to me.
I want the Giants to build a strong team that plays physical smash mouth football again.
This HC was given a job to keep the offense progress going and he has failed.
The defense and weak schedule covered for how bad this team is last year. I expect the bottom to fall out of this season. The Giants may have a shot at QB. Eli can still do it, but it is time to do what should have been done after Coughlin was shit canned. Blow it all up and see if Eli is willing to go somewhere else for a shot at another ring.
McAdoo has failed. Reese can not build a consistently competitive roster.
Blow it up.
I did not mean fire them now. I would fire them after the season.
Just not the Giants way, even with a poor record this year. McAdoo will get another year to prove his worth. He'll be on the hot seat next year IMO. He did have an 11-5 record in his first year, even if the offense was not great. He'll get the shadow of the doubt for one more IMO. Reese is another story, but the Giants just don't fire GMs.
Hey Ben, do you think you'll win a game before Halloween?
He is not a good tackler. Not very aggressive at all and he's not holding up on the back end too well either. Adams might be a better choice for now.
Hankins
Giants run defense sucks. <b>They never should have let Hankins go.[/b]
Actually I never said that they should keep Hankins, although it might turn out to be true.
I just wanted to be the first to say it.
Actually I wanted most to keep JPP. He's been OK, but not the dominant playmaker he was supposed to be for all that money. Vernon and Harrison haven't earned their huge salaries either.
I knew what would happen to Darkwa. Maybe Gallman can do better.
Mistakes and penalties are going to happen, but stupid play calls and coaching decisions should not.
One more week and he should be done. Too bad there isn't a good alternative.
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I mean.... awful. Start Adams. If Thompson isn’t lost in coverage he is getting run over at the line.
He is not a good tackler. Not very aggressive at all and he's not holding up on the back end too well either. Adams might be a better choice for now.
Mac-a-doy: "Next question!"
With 1 sec left, everyone had to know.
Hey Ben, do you think you'll win a game before Halloween?
Mac-a-doy: " Next Question!"
We hear about the elite Giants defense, but twice with leads in the 4th quarter, they were not so elite.
A pass completed to the 10 yard line in a tie game, an opportunity to run the clock and score a winning touchdown, or field goal, called back on a call I've never seen before.
Other teams catch opponents with too many men on the field, only the Giants can get penalized in that situation.
Finally, 56 sec to go, great opportunity for a winning field goal drive, illegal shift, the inevitable hold from the left tackle, a 3rd down completion 1 yard short of the 1st down, a horrible kick, and a completion out of bounds with 1 second left with two defenders knocking each other down.
Oh yea, a 61 yard field goal.
If Mac continues for a year after this, the team will not do appreciably better, IMO. Summon Harbaugh from Michigan. That is someone who can coach.
This, unfortunately, is 100% correct! I'll go back even further. We were doomed when they kept Reese for another year. He really sucks. He build this o-line and in 5 years it got worse each year.
I'd love to hear one of the writers ask McAdoo if and when the Giants are planning to start playing "heavy handed"
Im pretty much done.. I woke up this morning knowing they would lose something like 27-10 or 27-14...
this team is done.. easily could be 0-7 when the bye week rolls around.. 2-5 with luck..
We will be lucky to win 4 games with this schedule.
We are looking at a top 5 pick.
We need a fresh start.
The problems begin at the top.
The owners of this team have made historically bad whiffs in HC promotions: Lombardi, Landry, and Belichick. They promoted no-names Webster, Handley, Fassel, and McAdoo. After leaving the Giants, the first three were never again a HC in the NFL. I guarantee that when McAdoo is dumped at the end of this year or (God forbid) next year, he'll never become a HC in the NFL again. Would you hire him as a HC, and if so, why?
Fassel was not a promotion. He was an outside hire for HC after the Dan Reeves disaster.
And the team was pretty succesful under Fassel. .522 winning percentage, and 2-3 in the playoffs, including a Super Bowl appearance. Kerry Collins under Fassel threw the Giants' first 300 yard game that I can remember (as an early millenial, I was too young during Simms's peak).
The beauty will be this: The Giants will go 9-7 or 8-8, win some they have no business winning, and miss the playoffs by one game.
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Is not the only reason the offense has regressed. If the OC/HC is a bonehead, against whom the most witless DC can scheme, this team will continue to lose. The offense had another goose-egg for at least 45 mins, and the calls at the end were unimpressive.
The problems begin at the top.
The owners of this team have made historically bad whiffs in HC promotions: Lombardi, Landry, and Belichick. They promoted no-names Webster, Handley, Fassel, and McAdoo. After leaving the Giants, the first three were never again a HC in the NFL. I guarantee that when McAdoo is dumped at the end of this year or (God forbid) next year, he'll never become a HC in the NFL again. Would you hire him as a HC, and if so, why?
Fassel was not a promotion. He was an outside hire for HC after the Dan Reeves disaster.
And the team was pretty succesful under Fassel. .522 winning percentage, and 2-3 in the playoffs, including a Super Bowl appearance. Kerry Collins under Fassel threw the Giants' first 300 yard game that I can remember (as an early millenial, I was too young during Simms's peak).
Promotions need not only be internal! Making another team's coordinator your HC is a promotion. For Giants fans used to 6-10 (.375), .500 is successful. The Giants' talent was better than 34-7 in the SB. I can tell you're a millennial.
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schooled JPP today.
JPP has been dreadful.
Doesn't he have to at least be seen to be dreadful?
Where in the hell has he been? Vernon is in the picture nearly every single play. JPP.....not so much.
Not smart at all! Especially when you have absolutely no running game.
Vernon and JPP are very good players, but they’re being paid like superstars. JPP was non existent today.
or fake the run and roll out
Not one reverse today . 3 games 150 yards 2.9 average not
gonna get it done
He was not the offensive coordinator at Green Bay. He finally gets that job with the Giants and doesn't give it up. He is got to learn to delegate. Lombardi and Landry made Jim Lee Howell. Belechik and Earhart made Parcells. Yes, the head coach can influence the OC and DC but a confident Head Coach will delagate.
Eli's first INT.
Shepard's dropped TD.
Tons of missed tackles, especially on Wentz and Smallwood.
Bad play calling on fourth down, especially running Darkwa into the line on fourth and goal.
You need a great coach and QB to win in that situation. We had the latter, but not the former. The first INT was on Eli, but the second was inevitable. Teams sit on those short passes because they know our OL can't protect long enough for our receivers to get downfield. That means a lot of traffic, and deflections. Eli was in fact borderline masterful. He made a lot of great throws, and had no running game again.
Apple has promise, but isn't ready to be a boundary corner. Teams pick on him because they know he has trouble finding the ball, which leads to penalties. I don't blame Reese for not taking Tunsil, and the Titans and Bears traded up for Conklin and Floyd.
Reese has far too much confidence in his drafting ability, evidence for which is that he has never traded down in any round. More evidence is that he had to spend $200M to repair the DL, and the current state of the OL.
or fake the run and roll out
Not one reverse today . 3 games 150 yards 2.9 average not
gonna get it done
i mean, to be honest, it was a great play call with perfect execution. shepard just didnt catch the ball all they way thru. i wouldve preferred a qb sneak, but we just dont do that.
4th down...yea, take the 3.
Trusted option on fourth and short situations. Decisive in the red zone and brings some attitude with him. Finished with 28 rushing touchdowns over last two seasons. Strong second effort near the goal line when his initial charge is stopped
Reese thought the best way to get teams out of all those cover 2 shells was to add a seam stretching TE. He was wrong. The best way to do that is to get a run game to force teams to bring one or two more players into the box. He instead brought the same five OL starters back from last year. We already had Adams. Even without Marshall, Engram was a luxury, especially when compared to the needs on the OL. Reese just didn't want to use another first round pick on the OL since doing so would have been tantamount to admitting that all picks he'd already spent on that unit weren't enough.
First of all, the Giants offense is not getting many scoring opportunities, so they have to cash in on each one that is available.
That said, there are 2 philosophies that I think of when I'm seeing McAdoo screw up, and today took the cake.
Back in the 1980s, when you listened to John Madden, and when he wasn't doing his "boom/whap" stuff, he was very insightful. Madden always made 2 points when a team was in a tough game on the road. First- do not challenge a defense who is at home. Second- always take the first points of the game when they are available.
McAdoo should have swallowed his pride at the end of the half and taken the 3 points. What invariably happens is you end up chasing those points the rest of the game, and it bit them in the ass.
That leads to philosophy #2- and this one wasn't a football guy, but rather in basketball. Frank Layden, a former coach and GM, used to say "the moment you start listening to the fans is when you will sit next to them". McAdoo needs to be above all the crap, the emotion, he needs to be calculating what is going on and the big picture of the game. He's making emotional decisions based on frustration and making it worse. When you know you are struggling and your offensive line is not getting a push, you don't try to hammer it in there. We all saw why the Giants went to a shotgun on 3rd and inches at the goal line. Why decide to nut up and power it in on 4th down?
And now the dumb penalties are starting again. Horrific play at the worst time possible, and shit luck to boot, when clock operators and 61 yard field goals are involved.
I'm not saying it was. Just curious if there's a rule against that
1) select coaching staff
2) organize draft
3) select players/value in draft position
4) work well with cap
5) build or rebuild a football team, ala George young or EA
He needs to go and Mara/Tisch should begin searching for new GM and FO ASAP.
Other than that, thank Eli and make sure Spaga is not promoted with same FO
(1) Move Flowers inside to LG, and Jones to LT
(2) Substitute Fluker in for Jerry at RG
(3) Move Eli in under center
(4) Line up the RB only 2.5 yards behind Eli
100% agree. This is turning into 2015 all over again.
Today wasn't on the personnel, it was on the coaching.
I'm not saying it was. Just curious if there's a rule against that
Its not should of had EE or BM back there to block the low FG .... 20/20 hindsight
Wow!!
Wonder how bad OV is hurt?
And Famous Jameis next week...with our Quality LBs spying him.
Swell.
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But could Beckham have jumped up and knocked the ball away at the back of the end zone if it was reachable just over the cross bar?
I'm not saying it was. Just curious if there's a rule against that
Its not should of had EE or BM back there to block the low FG .... 20/20 hindsight
Wrong, I think it is illegal. Back in the 1960s/1970s, the Raiders had a guy named Ted Hendricks aka "the Mad Stork". Hendricks was 6'7" and he used to stand right by the cross bar and jump up and knock down field goals that were coming down. I think he's the all time NFL leader in blocked field goals...until the league passed a rule to stop that. Essentially he became Dikembe Mutumbo back there swatting away field goals like goal tending in basketball.
First of all, the Giants offense is not getting many scoring opportunities, so they have to cash in on each one that is available.
That said, there are 2 philosophies that I think of when I'm seeing McAdoo screw up, and today took the cake.
Back in the 1980s, when you listened to John Madden, and when he wasn't doing his "boom/whap" stuff, he was very insightful. Madden always made 2 points when a team was in a tough game on the road. First- do not challenge a defense who is at home. Second- always take the first points of the game when they are available.
McAdoo should have swallowed his pride at the end of the half and taken the 3 points. What invariably happens is you end up chasing those points the rest of the game, and it bit them in the ass.
That leads to philosophy #2- and this one wasn't a football guy, but rather in basketball. Frank Layden, a former coach and GM, used to say "the moment you start listening to the fans is when you will sit next to them". McAdoo needs to be above all the crap, the emotion, he needs to be calculating what is going on and the big picture of the game. He's making emotional decisions based on frustration and making it worse. When you know you are struggling and your offensive line is not getting a push, you don't try to hammer it in there. We all saw why the Giants went to a shotgun on 3rd and inches at the goal line. Why decide to nut up and power it in on 4th down?
And now the dumb penalties are starting again. Horrific play at the worst time possible, and shit luck to boot, when clock operators and 61 yard field goals are involved.
"Growing into his job"? Are we running a freaking job fair? Did we offer on the job training? So we should be losing games because he's having a tantrum? Please
Awful CB play for a top 15 pick.
Let me say it now as it is a repeat of 2 years ago,.. reach
It starts with the head coach. He's not holding anyone accountable on the team for anything. Eli Apple has somehow surpassed Ereck Flowers as the biggest individual problem on the team, yet he's out there all the time. I LOVE LOVE LOVE Odell, but he can't be picking up moronic penalties with no recourse. He's 3+ years in... let him ride the pine for the next series so he gets it through his thick skull.
The drops, the awful decisions from the QB, the inability to run the ball at even an average rate, the missed tackles, the special teams mistakes... it all reflects poorly on the coach. And if they aren't going to call a QB sneak 6 inches from the goalline, kick the fucking FG. (I know Eli sucks at sneaks, but if he can't do that, we really need a new QB.)
In what parallel universe is this happening with this line? If you find it, and it has cable, please let me know what channel it's on, so I can watch.
In what parallel universe is this happening with this line? If you find it, and it has cable, please let me know what channel it's on, so I can watch.
They stopped running sneaks when Gilbride was still the OC and they had a good o-line because Eli wasn't good at it... he didn't get low enough and couldn't move the pile. He wasn't athletic enough for it.
Someone please remind him that Trump is his president, whether he likes it or not. Trump made a fool of himself the other day so the players decided they needed to do the same. Quite funny
Someone please remind him that Trump is his president, whether he likes it or not. Trump made a fool of himself the other day so the players decided they needed to do the same. Quite funny
There has to be at least 7 million other places on internet for this.
Someone please remind him that Trump is his president, whether he likes it or not. Trump made a fool of himself the other day so the players decided they needed to do the same. Quite funny
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Great is strong. Both INTs were bad, especially the one to Marshall. But he certainly played well enough for them to win.
Not so much to Tampa Bay.
The kneeling stuff a distraction from a unit not getting it done. Do your fucking job. I just spent this weekend with my father in law, 90th birthday, a vet of 3 wars, recent honor flight and to watch these disgraceful players not respect the individuals that fought for the freedom for them to kneel, especially these highly paid fucktards that likely have never paid the price for anything but themselves.
The kneeling stuff a distraction from a unit not getting it done. Do your fucking job. I just spent this weekend with my father in law, 90th birthday, a vet of 3 wars, recent honor flight and to watch these disgraceful players not respect the individuals that fought for the freedom for them to kneel, especially these highly paid fucktards that likely have never paid the price for anything but themselves.
There has to be at least 7 million other places on the internet for this.
The kneeling stuff a distraction from a unit not getting it done. Do your fucking job. I just spent this weekend with my father in law, 90th birthday, a vet of 3 wars, recent honor flight and to watch these disgraceful players not respect the individuals that fought for the freedom for them to kneel, especially these highly paid fucktards that likely have never paid the price for anything but themselves.
stop killing us and we'll stop kneeling. yall go first
And punting when a fg attempt was absolutely warranted. This Guy is insane.
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In hindsight, going for it twice on 4th down proved to be devastating too.
And punting when a fg attempt was absolutely warranted. This Guy is insane.
but we were still up 21-14
He was not the offensive coordinator at Green Bay. He finally gets that job with the Giants and doesn't give it up. He is got to learn to delegate. Lombardi and Landry made Jim Lee Howell. Belechik and Earhart made Parcells. Yes, the head coach can influence the OC and DC but a confident Head Coach will delagate.
Bingo. More power to the HC that can manage playcalling duties but many others are just not capable. Ben needs to Ditch the diner menu!
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In hindsight, going for it twice on 4th down proved to be devastating too.
And punting when a fg attempt was absolutely warranted. This Guy is insane.
but we were still up 21-14
Ok? The coach is insane.
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The kneeling stuff a distraction from a unit not getting it done. Do your fucking job. I just spent this weekend with my father in law, 90th birthday, a vet of 3 wars, recent honor flight and to watch these disgraceful players not respect the individuals that fought for the freedom for them to kneel, especially these highly paid fucktards that likely have never paid the price for anything but themselves.
There has to be at least 7 million other places on the internet for this.
And this is one of them, because the NFL brought here and on itself. Get used to it.
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The kneeling stuff a distraction from a unit not getting it done. Do your fucking job. I just spent this weekend with my father in law, 90th birthday, a vet of 3 wars, recent honor flight and to watch these disgraceful players not respect the individuals that fought for the freedom for them to kneel, especially these highly paid fucktards that likely have never paid the price for anything but themselves.
There has to be at least 7 million other places on the internet for this.
And this is one of them, because the NFL brought here and on itself. Get used to it.
Really? this thread? ... about the Giants' vs Eagles' post game discussion?
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The kneeling stuff a distraction from a unit not getting it done. Do your fucking job. I just spent this weekend with my father in law, 90th birthday, a vet of 3 wars, recent honor flight and to watch these disgraceful players not respect the individuals that fought for the freedom for them to kneel, especially these highly paid fucktards that likely have never paid the price for anything but themselves.
There has to be at least 7 million other places on the internet for this.
And this is one of them, because the NFL brought here and on itself. Get used to it.
Really? this thread? ... about the Giants' vs Eagles' post game discussion?
no problem, you saw how our team sucked ass today. Anything else to add?
Still not sure if it's legal or not. But imagine getting a guy like Porzingis in there to block long field goals at the goal line.
They could run the sumo wrestler oline too!
Still not sure if it's legal or not. But imagine getting a guy like Porzingis in there to block long field goals at the goal line.
They could run the sumo wrestler oline too!
If they can find a roster spot for a fullback they never use then they can certainly find a roster space for a crossbar goaltender as well, right?
In a single coverage he acted lazy, lost, re-engaged, worried, stupid and then a laughing stock.
If all you can do is watch your WR then expect the ball to come your way EVERY TIME.
And by the way that thing pinned on your back is a bulls-eye and every QB is finding it each each week...
2. How I knew (and feared) he was going to call that ridiculous play.
Actually, the Chiefs had a 6'-10" tight end named Morris Stroud that Stram would use in that situation. I don't know if he ever got one.
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I recall in the late 60's the Chiefs had a defensive lineman named Gene Trosch who stood at 6-7 or so. Hank Stram used to put him under the goal posts to jump up and knock field goals away. I don't know if it was even legal then because I don't recall if Trosch interfered with any field goal. Anyone else remember this and if it was legal? BTW,I believe Trosch was the first ever draft choice for the Chiefs.
Actually, the Chiefs had a 6'-10" tight end named Morris Stroud that Stram would use in that situation. I don't know if he ever got one.
Just looked up Morris Stroud on Wikipedia - may he RIP. The article said that they changed the rule, this is now illegal.
The cornerback that everyone in the league now knows beyond a doubt to attack for the next 13 games.
There was a reason he wasn't the top corner in the draft and for whatever reason, other than Reese thought his name was too cool to pass up, the Giants wasted the pick.
Apple alone set Philly up twice- his penalties alone were almost as much as they had for passing yards in the game.
Put him in as nickel at best. He alone has created the largest weakness in an otherwise pretty good defense.