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Call me crazy but there is no way this team should be 0-3

Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/25/2017 7:41 am
There are way too many good players on this team for this team to be this bad. I'm not sure I've ever seen a Giants team be this disappointing. Maybe the 1991 team under you-know-who, but even that team won half their games.

I'm a bit shell-shocked right now.
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Lets see what McAdoo is made of  
Giants86 : 9/25/2017 10:04 am : link
We can go either way here. Lose 3 or win the next 3.

Talent is there, coaching isn't. GM isn't any good either.

We have a soft team these days....
RE: I can't see how ownership  
Giants86 : 9/25/2017 10:06 am : link
In comment 13617199 George said:
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avoids cleaning house completely in January (assuming this Titanic season continues to sink).

Maybe it was the heat yesterday, but I saw absolutely no will to succeed (offensively) for roughly three quarters of play. By the time things began to click in the fourth, the defense was so exhausted it couldn't stop basic plays run by the opposition.

Our players showed remarkably bad judgment at key junctures in the game, couldn't capitalize on gift opportunities, and failed to execute fundamental plays due to poor technique, lousy design, and incomprehensible play selection.

I thought this would be a competitive team. I'm shocked at how they've been out-played, under-prepared, and undisciplined this month. It's a classic example of Rudderless Leadership, both in the locker room and in the coaching offices.



GREAT POST GEORGE!!!!
Call me crazy  
Torrag : 9/25/2017 10:07 am : link
You're crazy.

As the Tuna always said you are what your record says you are. The awful O-line alone could account for all these losses. Factor in no Odell for essentially the first two weeks, random mistakes, bad bounces, bad calls, plus a difficult schedule and its' all too easy to believe we're 0-3...and facing a strong possibility of being 0-4 after playing a good young Tampa Bay squad.
Macadoo has to go  
spike : 9/25/2017 10:08 am : link
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RE: Eric, if you can t run  
Rjanyg : 9/25/2017 10:11 am : link
In comment 13617208 joeinpa said:
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Or stop the run, it is difficult to win in the NFL.

Add in a critical mistake every week on special teams, bingo 0-3

It s very easy to believe


Football fundamentals. Run the ball, stop the run. Don't commit penalties. Protect the football. The Giants are not doing these things well.
I'm indifferent at this point.  
Britt in VA : 9/25/2017 10:12 am : link
I felt nothing when the FG went through.

Guess we're just conditioned to losing at this point.
HBart  
JonC : 9/25/2017 10:12 am : link
Great to see you posting, this forum needs your intellect.
RE: I can't see how ownership  
JonC : 9/25/2017 10:13 am : link
In comment 13617199 George said:
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avoids cleaning house completely in January (assuming this Titanic season continues to sink).

Maybe it was the heat yesterday, but I saw absolutely no will to succeed (offensively) for roughly three quarters of play. By the time things began to click in the fourth, the defense was so exhausted it couldn't stop basic plays run by the opposition.

Our players showed remarkably bad judgment at key junctures in the game, couldn't capitalize on gift opportunities, and failed to execute fundamental plays due to poor technique, lousy design, and incomprehensible play selection.

I thought this would be a competitive team. I'm shocked at how they've been out-played, under-prepared, and undisciplined this month. It's a classic example of Rudderless Leadership, both in the locker room and in the coaching offices.


Strong post.
Fix the running game  
Reb8thVA : 9/25/2017 10:13 am : link
and maybe some of these other issues become far less critical.
Last year's team was 2-3  
Dan in the Springs : 9/25/2017 10:14 am : link
and finished the season 11-5. We suffered a bad loss at home to a division rival. We didn't look good in two other losses.

This year's team still has time to turn things around, but they will need to start executing better.

On a positive note - there were many positive things to see in yesterday's game. Much of BBI saw no way this team could move the ball consistently and score points against a porous Eagles secondary. The offense delivered, and for the first time in a long time they put the win on the shoulders of the defense. The defense was not able to deliver. It happens.

I'm actually feeling way better about this team following yesterday's performance. We will be better this next week against Tampa. A great run starts with the first win. I think we get that this week.
The Giants are a one-sided offense...  
TheEvilLurker : 9/25/2017 10:23 am : link
and don't have good enough coaching to find a way out of it.

The defense is not as good as last year.

This is not a well-coached team.
as of this AM  
idiotsavant : 9/25/2017 10:23 am : link
we can see that Macadoo and Sullivan are learning, learning slooooowly...but learning. did they save their jobs? possibly.

IMHO the D problems are 1. loosing Hankins and 2. just general exhaustion and mental deflation from suck O weeks 1 and 2.

In short, the guys they brought in for D are not the types to overcome lack of time management by the O (no run game) nor to replace Hank.

There was something to Hank + Snacks, they as a unit helped out the LBs, for instance.

You want to loose hank? Then get a giant nose type, and I said it at the time.


The overall team weaknesses and blind spots remain and that is squarely and easily demonstrably on the front office.
I'm surprised they're 0-3  
bceagle05 : 9/25/2017 10:27 am : link
just because the league is designed for just about everyone to be .500, but they're hands are tied - yet again- by this offensive line. No threat of the run or the deep ball - it's amazing every slant pattern isn't tipped and/or picked off.

As for the defense, Vernon and JPP are good players, but they rarely dominate a game. Apple has not progressed. There are areas to exploit on that side of the ball.
RE: To areas I see as glaring problems  
Jersey55 : 9/25/2017 10:31 am : link
In comment 13617045 Rjanyg said:
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are tackling and running. Sounds basic but we are not a very good tackling team and our running backs are not very good at hitting the whole, making yards after contact. These are fundamental characteristics all good football teams must possess. We have very good targets and a very good QB. We have good corners and defensive ends but we need to be able to stop the run and run the ball when necessary.

Until this improves we will be an average or below average team.

there are very few good tackling team in the NFL today, good tackling is becoming a lost talent, as a matter of fact it isn't even stressed in college, all NFL players are looking to strip the ball instead of making the tackle ..
honestly  
giantfan2000 : 9/25/2017 10:35 am : link
it seems like Giants were not ready to play this season until second half of yesterday's game
By talent  
MetsAreBack : 9/25/2017 10:51 am : link
i assume Eric means 7-on-7 passing drills. Unfortunately, this isnt Madden and offensive lines matter. We do not have talent in our o-line, so not sure i understand why this team should be viewed as more talented than 2/3 of the league.
I'm stunned  
PHX Giants Fan : 9/25/2017 11:01 am : link
Expected us to make a run this year.

But in retrospect, we should have known the offense would struggle with OL and RB units that weren't upgraded at all.

What is especially shocking is our poor run defense and the fact that we can't get off the field on third down.

Then there's the ST mishaps, bonehead 15 yard penalties and very questionable play-calling. In three games, we already have a laundry list of inexplicable moves made by players and coaches.

It's not just one thing. We are what we are... 0-3.
You are what your record says you are !!!  
Bluesbreaker : 9/25/2017 11:13 am : link
Look no further than the draft !
Imagine if we took Cam Robinson at #1 with a trade down
took Dion Dawkins at #2 and took Kareem Hunt at #3 who was
taken 1 pick before us we had extra picks to move up or
even stay put and take D'Onta Foreman who I think is gonna
be a very good back with power speed and hands .
We would have been fine with Ellison Adams and LaCosse at
TE instead of getting the shiny new toy in Engram who is gonna be a good player but we have no run game and no RB's .
Not only would the starters on the O-line be better but the depth as well .
it's been something of a perfect storm  
PerpetualNervousness : 9/25/2017 11:19 am : link
not absolving head scratching personnel and game day decisions. but last year it all broke right, especially no injuries. this year they've already been bit by the bug. the obj injury was a killer - not only because he's a transcendent talent, but also because you're trying to integrate a new #2 wr and a rookie tight end. marshall may or may not be washed up, but all these new wrs take a while to get up to speed - look at pryor in wash and jefferey in phi. instead suddenly he opens the season as our #1 and clearly isnt comfortable in the system. our OL woes are compounded by hart's injury in the first game. our best cover LB misses training camp and the first two games. our best cover cb misses a game, and our 2nd year cb looks like a 2nd year cb. our starting LB gets hurt, his logical back up is hurt, and we're running an undersized rookie street free agent out there

we open with two road games against division rivals, including two night games. throw in the critical mistakes at the worst times - marshalls drop against det, the big punt return, and all we saw yesterday. and then some of it is just bad luck - a rookie kicker makes one of the 10 longest fgs of all time at the gun right after your two defenders collide trying to make a play on the ball allowing the wr to make the catch and get out of bounds. it just feeds on itself. maybe a better more experienced coach has an easier time righting the ship and pulling out a win. but look around the league - the teams that look great one week can suck the next. we weren't that good last year and we're probably not this bad this year. but it's pretty much moot now.
RE: ...  
WideRight : 9/25/2017 11:27 am : link
In comment 13616975 Eric from BBI said:
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This team has Odell Beckham, Sterling Shepard, Evan Engram, Landon Collins, Janoris Jenkins, DRC, Olivier Vernon, JPP, Damon Harrison...

These are guys who could start on any team in the NFL.


You are crazy...

You just named 9 guys who can start on any NFL team.

That leaves at least thirteen spots in need, including the most important, QB

And one of those 9 was a rookie named Engram, who you think can start at tight end for any NFL team?

No wonder you are shell shocked
WideRight..  
ryanmkeane : 9/25/2017 11:35 am : link
Engram is already one of the best pass catching TEs in the league. He's top 10 in catches and yards through his first 3 games of his career without really doing that much. So yes, he can.
RE: RE: GM amd ownership creates a perfect  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/25/2017 11:43 am : link
In comment 13617043 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Storm

The drip drab way he handled the end of Coughlin's tenure was a mess. Fire Gilbride Fire Fewell. The. Finally fire TC for a guy who was a barely qualified to be hired as an OC

Reese's insane aversion to correct misses w Flowers and Richberg. Shitty RBs.

Last year was an illusion and an aberration. McAdoo bad just a bad hire. We heard form day he was a future HC all due to Mara's falling in love w him Owenwrship needs to clean house and get away from football decions


You keep mentioning that you think McAdoo was barely qualified when he was hired as OC but you have yet to answer my question from last week about this - did you think Spagnuolo was barely qualified to be a DC when they hired him the first time?


Sorry. Missed your question last week. The point I'm making about his lack of experience is that he was never an OC. Ive never been insanely impressed w 3 step drops his greatest game plan of throw the ball to OBJ.

He seems to be guy Mara just fell in love w. Then to further elevate him in only two years compounds what seems to be on full display this year. Great coaches coach around the deficiencies In Their rosters. Not only does he seem incapable of that, but his ability to have much input on D is questionable. I don't think he knows what to do. It's simple. I think he got lucky last year and now this year he thought just showing up and keeping things the same would work.

You can't just pretend other teams are just going to not watch film adjust. Like his aversion to run any other formation besides 3 wide receivers. Opposing defensive corodinators must be over joyed facing him. Lack of experience can not always be over come. Think the season is on the brink and I'm not totally surprised
COACHING.  
ArcadeSlumlord : 9/25/2017 11:48 am : link
I speak from personal experience. It makes a night and day difference. Players execute the coaches plan and prep...

COACHING.
RE: Half their defense was out in fourth quarter  
Carson53 : 9/25/2017 11:54 am : link
In comment 13617062 Essex said:
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I wouldn’t read much into the rally; I think this team can turn it around but yesterday’s forth quarter had a lot to do with no Cox, Hicks, and their secondary being depleted as opposed to us finally getting our act together.
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The Iggles were missing 4 players in their secondary, and it still took the Giants until the 4th Qtr. to wake up.
Maybe they are not as talented as some thought. I am already disgusted with this team and also the GM!
Maybe my expectations were too high as well.
It just seems like the season is over after week 3.
RE: WideRight..  
Dan in the Springs : 9/25/2017 12:01 pm : link
In comment 13617614 ryanmkeane said:
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Engram is already one of the best pass catching TEs in the league. He's top 10 in catches and yards through his first 3 games of his career without really doing that much. So yes, he can.


And in limited downs. Giants are in the bottom of the league in offensive snaps per game. With so few opportunities, the fact that he has as much production as he does is a sign that he is a top TE talent already and would likely start on any team in the league. Even if you had a better TE, you would probably still start Engram as a second TE over whoever your third WR or FB is.
RE: RE: RE: ...  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/25/2017 12:16 pm : link
In comment 13617205 Devon said:
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In comment 13616975 Eric from BBI said:


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This team has Odell Beckham, Sterling Shepard, Evan Engram, Landon Collins, Janoris Jenkins, DRC, Olivier Vernon, JPP, Damon Harrison...

These are guys who could start on any team in the NFL.



Not a leader amongst them. The peeing on the logo thing? Really? He needs to grow up. But when your head coach shows video movie clips and things they are sage wisdom and motivating toubget crap like this.

No leadership from the owners on down.



What a dumb post.

Coughlin used to show clips/videos of all sorts of things to the team in attempt to motivate them, but I'm guessing you didn't realize that.


The point is clips aren't enough. There has to be more behind it. He Dow t adjust. His offense is a mess and he doesn't have a thing to do w the defend. The guy is unqualified. Of TC sits down to talk about football and wants to illustrate a point in crayon he can so can Bill B.

So fuck off asshole
You are what your record . . . .  
jeff57 : 9/25/2017 12:18 pm : link
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0-3  
ryanmkeane : 9/25/2017 12:22 pm : link
will bring just about every reason into the fold why the team is 0-3 and we've heard it all today. Let's give these guys a chance to bounce back from everyone saying they should hand in their checks for the rest of season, shall we? Christ.
RE: It looks lo me  
HomerJones45 : 9/25/2017 12:34 pm : link
In comment 13617223 HBart said:
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Like McAdoo is a really bad coach at this time. I say at this time because he seems to have the makings of a decent coach; the players play hard for him and he obviously knows what he's doing from a football POV. He has very low situational awareness - but more than TC did and TC won super bowls so that's not a deal killer.

But there is some cognitive disconnect best illustrated by the insane reliance on a single personnel package on O last season. It decreased a bit over the course of the season and then further this year but is still puzzlingly high. It's like he was/is trying to simplify his job and/or had an untested theory and he's not willing to give up on it and/or make a statement that he's the boss now. All things that experience would probably erase.

So yes we decided to give a guy a shot and give him on the job training and that's costly. The teams personality is still the same as it was under TC - capable of excellence but with far more WTF moments than they should. But with Eli and OBJ this should be an average O at worst, and if it was we wouldn't be 0-3.

Yesterday isn't the issue - the team played well on the road and should have won but had really bad luck - the refs stealing a TD that 9 out of 10 times isn't overturned (even if they were right), Vereen OB, John Jerry being called, Darkwa hurt when we needed him, Vernon too, the timekeeper, a 61 f'ing yard FG, etc. All this with a games worth of big plays given up on 2 DPIs and the run defense being gashed. And we know that unit is competently led.

This was a prototypical TC loss to Philly - same old, same old. But decent coaching and we'd have almost surely won at least one of the prior 2 and our season wouldn't be over.
Please. You said he's a bad coach, which is correct, and then proceeded to wrap the whole thing in hopes and dreams.

He's a bad head coach right now; you are hoping and praying that it's just a learning curve, although he already has a whole season under his belt as HC and two as OC, because the alternative is an unmitigated disaster, but it is just as possible that he remains a bad HC.
Eric - I agree wholeheartedly  
Matt M. : 9/25/2017 12:48 pm : link
I thought they were going to win each of these 3 games. I think they are the more talented team in each of those matchups.

I've said it over and over to start this season - to blame the OL is a copout. McAdoo was brought here in 2014 to install the WCO in order to combat an equally bad and porous OL. In his 2 seasons as OC, the offense was outstanding and ELI had 2 of his best years. They now have more talent at WR, TE, and RB with an equally shitty OL, yet the offense is bottom of the league. Where is McAdoo's genius now? I think he is in over his head as HC and was bailed out by a very talented D that had everything go right last year on that side of the ball. This year, the D is not as good and the O regressed, thus 0-3.

Honestly, I think anything less than the playoffs is a disappointment this year. If they don't get back to at least .500 I would honestly fire McAdoo given the expectations. Why a short leash on him? He doesn't have the resume to hang his hat on and this team has looked just that bad.
Also - You hit the nail on the head with PR  
Matt M. : 9/25/2017 12:54 pm : link
Last year I thought Harris was terrible. Not only did he do nothing when he did return a punt, but his decisions on which to field, which to let bounce, which to fair catch, etc. were so bad it was like having a rookie back there. Yes, he played great as a gunner, but so what? So can a lot of other people. I thought given how bad his PR and KR were, his selection to the Pro Bowl was insulting as a fan. He was so bad I advocated cutting him, because a return man that offers little more than kick returns has no business on a roster with so many holes and issues. My opinion hasn't been changed by him this year.
And, as I've mentioned several times  
Matt M. : 9/25/2017 12:57 pm : link
I acknowledge how bad this OL is. But, it isn't tying their hands or the root cause for their failures. Their lack of run defense is a huge factor. Their issues in pass defense (not just Apple) is an issue. Their poor tackling is an issue. Their dropped passes continue to be an issue. Their ST play is an issue. Their RB play is an issue (not all the lack of productivity here is on the OL).

The OL was supposed to be compensated for with the WCO, and it was for 2 seasons. Since taking over as HC, McAdoo has run a very different offense with very disjointed playcalling. How many fucking times do we need to throw a 2 yard pass on 3rd and 5 or less? How many more times do we need to throw short of the sticks on any other 3rd down? McAdoo is a huge reason for our failures, in my opinion.
Things that have bothered me so far this season  
Tom from LI : 9/25/2017 1:19 pm : link
1)Coach-able penalties that could have been prevented - We can't score a TD but Engram go and grab your crotch on TV when we finally do? Odell pisses like a dog after his first TD? John Jerry grabbing the player getting off the field?

2)Receivers that catch the ball with their body. Sheppard catches the ball with his hands and that is a TD. All he has to do is reach out.

3)Probably your fastest player (Engram) running a crossing route almost every time and 2 times you run him up the seam this year you get a TD and clear out the area for a screen to Darkwa to work. I hate this play calling.

4)Shotgun from the 1 inch line. No big back on this team

5)The defense being on the field 34 minutes plus a game.. I think they are close to quitting

6)48 yards per game rushing

7)The stubbornness to continue to trot the same offensive line order out there. Burying your head in the sand and thinking they are fine.

8)The constant throwing Eli under the bus when his left tackle is a human turnstile.


That's just some off the top of my head..
Also enough with the one handed catches  
Tom from LI : 9/25/2017 1:23 pm : link
Odell reaches with two hands and he probably catches that pass on 3rd down.

Marshall seems like he is not interested in playing.. you have to interfere with that defender. Prevent him from catching the ball.

Collins seems disinterested. Thompson can't tackle. Adams was better.


The Giants won that game last season..  
AnnapolisMike : 9/25/2017 1:40 pm : link
The defense would have held. Yesterday's loss was largely on self inflicted errors. I would have been pretty confident going into overtime yesterday. 61 yard FG....what can you do about that?

All the talk about do or die in Philly was crap. This is the do or die week. Tampa is just OK. If the season is to be saved it starts next Sunday.
I don't think this team was  
PEEJ : 9/25/2017 1:50 pm : link
ready to start the season. The starters needed more pre-season play. I think the Giants are maybe overly conscious about team health. While this is a legitimate concern, I think players need to play to get ready
Ironically  
George : 9/25/2017 1:53 pm : link
now is when we will see what this team is made of.

Who steps up to take control in the locker room? Who speaks truth to power in the coaches' meetings tomorrow? Who puts this team on his shoulders next Sunday and the one after that and the one after that?

Interesting times we live in, man.
1991 and 2017 have one thing in common...  
x meadowlander : 9/25/2017 2:09 pm : link
...the fish stinks from the head...
1991 and 2017 have one thing in common...  
x meadowlander : 9/25/2017 2:10 pm : link
...the fish rots from the head down...
RE: The Giants won that game last season..  
Matt M. : 9/25/2017 2:16 pm : link
In comment 13618035 AnnapolisMike said:
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The defense would have held. Yesterday's loss was largely on self inflicted errors. I would have been pretty confident going into overtime yesterday. 61 yard FG....what can you do about that?

All the talk about do or die in Philly was crap. This is the do or die week. Tampa is just OK. If the season is to be saved it starts next Sunday.
The 61 yard FG you have to just tip your hat to the PK. But, the completion on the preceding play you can point to as a defensive breakdown, which allowed them to even try the kick.
As well as  
George : 9/25/2017 2:18 pm : link
a 28 yard punt that should've traveled another 15 yards to pin the Eagles so far back into their own territory that they should've done a kneel down rather than risk a pick.
McAdoo  
WillVAB : 9/25/2017 3:38 pm : link
Was good last year but has been suspect this year. Has the feel of the Dan Reeves era.
RE: RE: WideRight..  
WideRight : 9/25/2017 4:57 pm : link
In comment 13617734 Dan in the Springs said:
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Engram is already one of the best pass catching TEs in the league. He's top 10 in catches and yards through his first 3 games of his career without really doing that much. So yes, he can.



And in limited downs. Giants are in the bottom of the league in offensive snaps per game. With so few opportunities, the fact that he has as much production as he does is a sign that he is a top TE talent already and would likely start on any team in the league. Even if you had a better TE, you would probably still start Engram as a second TE over whoever your third WR or FB is.


That's as reasonable defense of Engram. I still wouldn't describe him as a complete TE who would start on any team. That he only gets limited snaps on this team supports that.
RE: RE: Look at it as a 3-game losing streak, not 0-3  
DisgruntledGiantsfan : 9/25/2017 7:25 pm : link
In comment 13616998 nybeast said:
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The Giants should have won yesterday playing on the road against a team you thought they had no chance against. You can say bad teams find a way to lose, or you can see football in all its imperfections where byzantine rules and dumb luck play a too big a role.
The O-line is bad, but gave Eli enough time to consistently move the ball the entire game. (Giants were in Red Zone 6 times.) The worst position group is running back, but maybe Gallman can help.
The defense has been disappointing against the run, but should be better when Goodson returns. And yesterday, Apple made 2 bad plays that really lost the game.
In the league of parity, the Giants have a fighter's chance against anybody. So I don't think the season will end up as badly as it seems now.



You haven't seen the schedule have you? AFC West and NFC West. Now it looks like the NFC West is not as strong but if this team doesn't find a rythym soon, it could get ugly. With that said, I think the Giants can good into the bye with a 3-4 record if they can straighten things out. The good news is that we have more home division games in the 2nd half of the season. So there's a shot but they have to now take it one game at a time. The Philly game as heart breaking as it was, showed that this team can score now. We'll see how we come out against Tampa.


That's the thing. People are getting so caught up about the 0-3, but the 0-3 is a function of crap play but also when and where we have played. How many times did this team start 6-2 only to sputter at the end. If you can miss the playoffs at 6-2 because you played your cupcakes early on, you can certainly go on a run if you straighten out the ship. Look at what the Pack did last year.

Sure this team probably won't make the post-season, but if the offense plays like it did in the fourth quarter and/or improves, the season isn't over by any stretch. It was a heart-breaking loss, but a lot had to go wrong in that game for us to lose it. I honestly thought we would not have played that well. Maybe it's something to build on. Tampa next week has a lot of issues, also. Get a win there and see what happens.
Thanks for the kind words JonC  
HBart : 9/25/2017 8:12 pm : link
It's nice to have the time to watch football and be back here with intelligent discussion and old friends. I only wish the team gave us more positive to talk about. I hope all is with you.

Gene, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt - it's a big job. I've seen people take many years to become adept at very mundane jobs and once the light goes on they go from Ds to As.

And yeah, I'm being optimistic . Why does that bother you?
This (mostly O line related)  
idiotsavant : 9/25/2017 8:21 pm : link
''Things that have bothered me so far this season
Tom from LI : 1:19 pm : link : reply

1)Coach-able penalties that could have been prevented - We can't score a TD but Engram go and grab your crotch on TV when we finally do? Odell pisses like a dog after his first TD? John Jerry grabbing the player getting off the field?

(results from frustration, from pressing, from ultimately no O line?)

2)Receivers that catch the ball with their body. Sheppard catches the ball with his hands and that is a TD. All he has to do is reach out.

(body catch maybe results from ultra short time after snap, wr turns, ball hits him, i.e. goes back to OL play)

3)Probably your fastest player (Engram) running a crossing route almost every time and 2 times you run him up the seam this year you get a TD and clear out the area for a screen to Darkwa to work. I hate this play calling. (?)

4)Shotgun from the 1 inch line. No big back on this team

(line)

5)The defense being on the field 34 minutes plus a game.. I think they are close to quitting

(goes back to no O line, no T.O.P game)

6)48 yards per game rushing

(no O line)

7)The stubbornness to continue to trot the same offensive line order out there. Burying your head in the sand and thinking they are fine.

(true)

8)The constant throwing Eli under the bus when his left tackle is a human turnstile.

( as above)


That's just some off the top of my head..''
.....  
Route 9 : 9/26/2017 1:11 am : link
I’m pissed off a bit but not surprised at all.

I do remember reading a lot of the predictions on the prediction threads. I saw a bunch of 11-5s, 10-6s…a couple 14-2s…I never made a prediction because well, I just knew something was… off.

I just knew from the Dallas game right off the bat, nothing was new. The line sucked, the play calling sucked. Giants can’t run the ball, the defense was getting gassed. I was at the Lions game, again the same pattern, the goofy play calling…the horrible offensive line…yada yada, same old. Sometimes Marshall makes me miss Cruz and Ruben Randle, lol.

I mean it sucks and I know there is nothing I can do about it, but I don’t want another boring 2013 year, fishing for our first win sometime in mid October and playing a bunch of nothing games in December. This just isn’t the way it was supposed to be.

2016 was a fun year but it really seems like the wheels have fallen off and we got.. this.

What am I looking at BBI? What the hell kind of team is this?

I hate to say it but I will be missing the Tampa Bay game, I will be IN CONTROL for Chowderfest on LBI, running the show.
McAdoo stinks  
Nitro : 9/26/2017 1:21 am : link
never liked it, never liked how they ran Coughlin out for this cudchewing idiot. The warning signs of his limited intellect were there day one, with that ill-fitting suit - now he's got the Gordon Bombay haircut to match his stuck in 93 motif. I swear I'm baffled everytime I learn he's less than a decade older than me.
They're going 4-12  
Route 9 : 9/26/2017 1:24 am : link
... maybe 3-13
sorry -- I understand why you say what you say Eric  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/26/2017 11:11 am : link
but apparently, there is a way for this team to be 0-3
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