There are way too many good players on this team for this team to be this bad. I'm not sure I've ever seen a Giants team be this disappointing. Maybe the 1991 team under you-know-who, but even that team won half their games.
I'm a bit shell-shocked right now.
They are also last in the NFL in rush yards allowed.
Why shouldn't they be 0-3?
Think about that.
Yesterday's "24 point outburst" was the first time the Giant scored 3 Touchdowns in one game since Nov 27 of last year against the Browns.
The Jets, who are trotting out Josh McCown, Robby Anderson, Jermaine Kearse, and Bilal Powell, have looked better on offense through three games than the Giants.
You're crazy
It's to be expected from young players like Engram and Apple, but the WRs as a whole look like a bunch of idiots out there (and on the sideline). Me thinks too much being made of reading their own press clippings in that group.
This doesn't even touch the stubbornness and mistakes the coach makes.
But your right, Eric. It's shocking a team with this kind of man for man talent could play this poorly. It's hard to know what to say.
While we all agree the run game is a problem, passing, defense and special teams are all significantly below average, in spite of our "stars".
We need alot things to break our way to win a game, but have a million ways to lose one.
I wanted TC gone but I wanted a complete overhaul to the team form the GM on down... instead we got minor tweaks.
I can live through what is shaping up to a be a horrific season if I thought we were going to cut bait and remake this org in the off season - sadly I don't see it happening.
The drip drab way he handled the end of Coughlin's tenure was a mess. Fire Gilbride Fire Fewell. The. Finally fire TC for a guy who was a barely qualified to be hired as an OC
Reese's insane aversion to correct misses w Flowers and Richberg. Shitty RBs.
Last year was an illusion and an aberration. McAdoo bad just a bad hire. We heard form day he was a future HC all due to Mara's falling in love w him Owenwrship needs to clean house and get away from football decions
These are guys who could start on any team in the NFL.
The O-line is bad, but gave Eli enough time to consistently move the ball the entire game. (Giants were in Red Zone 6 times.) The worst position group is running back, but maybe Gallman can help.
The defense has been disappointing against the run, but should be better when Goodson returns. And yesterday, Apple made 2 bad plays that really lost the game.
In the league of parity, the Giants have a fighter's chance against anybody. So I don't think the season will end up as badly as it seems now.
It starts and ends with MacAdoo not getting it done. He is over his head.
These are guys who could start on any team in the NFL.
Eric, it's COACHING. It doesn't matter what players they have when the coaching sucks.
These are guys who could start on any team in the NFL.
Not a leader amongst them. The peeing on the logo thing? Really? He needs to grow up. But when your head coach shows video movie clips and things they are sage wisdom and motivating toubget crap like this.
No leadership from the owners on down.
It would have to go up 2 to 3 notches to get to sucks
It starts and ends with MacAdoo not getting it done. He is over his head.
Granted there were critical errors in the final 5 min yesterday, but I think McAdoo beat himself. Should have taken the FG at the end of the half and in the third quarter. I get being aggressive, but you have to be smart too. Going for it on 4th down on the one when you get the 2nd half kickoff is not smart.
McAdoo did not have this team ready to play in Dallas, and his offensive scheme was flawed against Detroit. There is confidence and there is cocky. McAdoo strikes me as cocky.
Not a fair comparison, but does anyone really think Coughlin would be 0-3 with this team?
These are guys who could start on any team in the NFL.
This team has talent but it's fragile because it relies a lot on the really good players who if anyone of those you mention miss time, the team suffers. Beckham and Jenkins being out have been big factors (especially Beckham) in the 0-3 start. Imagine if Snacks goes down (run D will suffer)? Or Vernon (pass rush suffers)? This team's core has to stay healthy in order for it to have any success because the rest of the players are not tough enough as compare to past Giants teams that have contended.
So overall team talent is subpar beyond the core and that's something that Reese needs to look at and addresss. Lastly, the team is soft right now. Can't stop the run and can't run the ball. The lines and the backs need to play tougher!
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This team has Odell Beckham, Sterling Shepard, Evan Engram, Landon Collins, Janoris Jenkins, DRC, Olivier Vernon, JPP, Damon Harrison...
These are guys who could start on any team in the NFL.
Not a leader amongst them. The peeing on the logo thing? Really? He needs to grow up. But when your head coach shows video movie clips and things they are sage wisdom and motivating toubget crap like this.
No leadership from the owners on down.
Snacks, Vernon, and Collins are leaders. Eli leads the offense.
We should have steamrolled them, but boneheaded playcalling and stupid mistakes plagued us all day.
That half flush of the toilet when Coughlin left didn't do the trick - leaving the entire offensive staff for continuity certainly hasn't paid off dividends.
The unfathomably stupid delay of game penalty on Jerry, the 28 yard punt, letting the Eagles receiver get out of bounds to stop the clock...those kinds of mental errors are not made by confident, focused teams who know how to win.
The time clock operator's shenanigans are irrelevant, the Giants would have found a way to lose in OT anyway.
The O-line is bad, but gave Eli enough time to consistently move the ball the entire game. (Giants were in Red Zone 6 times.) The worst position group is running back, but maybe Gallman can help.
The defense has been disappointing against the run, but should be better when Goodson returns. And yesterday, Apple made 2 bad plays that really lost the game.
In the league of parity, the Giants have a fighter's chance against anybody. So I don't think the season will end up as badly as it seems now.
You haven't seen the schedule have you? AFC West and NFC West. Now it looks like the NFC West is not as strong but if this team doesn't find a rythym soon, it could get ugly. With that said, I think the Giants can good into the bye with a 3-4 record if they can straighten things out. The good news is that we have more home division games in the 2nd half of the season. So there's a shot but they have to now take it one game at a time. The Philly game as heart breaking as it was, showed that this team can score now. We'll see how we come out against Tampa.
We should have steamrolled them, but boneheaded playcalling and stupid mistakes plagued us all day.
That half flush of the toilet when Coughlin left didn't do the trick - leaving the entire offensive staff for continuity certainly hasn't paid off dividends.
All too true, although the O-line appears devoid of talent. This team makes stupid in EVERY phase of the game and they are NOT good enough to overcome those. Mistakes are a direct reflection of coaching.
yet all along I heard ol can get by just being mediocre
The drip drab way he handled the end of Coughlin's tenure was a mess. Fire Gilbride Fire Fewell. The. Finally fire TC for a guy who was a barely qualified to be hired as an OC
Reese's insane aversion to correct misses w Flowers and Richberg. Shitty RBs.
Last year was an illusion and an aberration. McAdoo bad just a bad hire. We heard form day he was a future HC all due to Mara's falling in love w him Owenwrship needs to clean house and get away from football decions
I am afraid McAdoo was a bad hire and totally over his head but I want him to succeed because the alternative is back to the late 60's.
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problem. That wasn't a talent issue - Philly was banged up and even at their positions of strength they couldn't get anything done for the most part.
We should have steamrolled them, but boneheaded playcalling and stupid mistakes plagued us all day.
That half flush of the toilet when Coughlin left didn't do the trick - leaving the entire offensive staff for continuity certainly hasn't paid off dividends.
All too true, although the O-line appears devoid of talent. This team makes stupid in EVERY phase of the game and they are NOT good enough to overcome those. Mistakes are a direct reflection of coaching.
The advanced stats before this game told a story of the Giants OL being somewhere in the 17-20 range. Yesterday, they held a very good Eagles DL in check for most of the game.
I don't think our OL is winning any awards any time soon, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see both Pugh and Richburg leave and fare much better than they have here. There's talent on this team - and whether it's enough to do some damage in the playoffs is one thing, but that it's certainly not so bad as to be winless right now is another. They've underperformed, and that's putting it mildly.
One example - I don't know what it's going to take to get McAdoo to hand over playcalling. It was an issue last year, and it has worsened and been directly responsible for a couple of the losses thus far. They're 0-3 - what are they waiting for?
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This team has Odell Beckham, Sterling Shepard, Evan Engram, Landon Collins, Janoris Jenkins, DRC, Olivier Vernon, JPP, Damon Harrison...
These are guys who could start on any team in the NFL.
Not a leader amongst them. The peeing on the logo thing? Really? He needs to grow up. But when your head coach shows video movie clips and things they are sage wisdom and motivating toubget crap like this.
No leadership from the owners on down.
Snacks, Vernon, and Collins are leaders. Eli leads the offense.
Sorry. A leader grabs Beckham and Engram and makes sure they don't hurt he team after TD w a silly display.
No one grabbed those guys by he facemask and say enough ? Eli leads by example. Vernon is the most over paid player in the league. Collins needs to step up more.
You think any of this guys is a Harry Carson? To me his is a team who bought last season guaranteed them something. Starting w he HC the mistakes we've seen after 3 weeks mentally alone make me wonder about every player
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The Giants should have won yesterday playing on the road against a team you thought they had no chance against. You can say bad teams find a way to lose, or you can see football in all its imperfections where byzantine rules and dumb luck play a too big a role.
The O-line is bad, but gave Eli enough time to consistently move the ball the entire game. (Giants were in Red Zone 6 times.) The worst position group is running back, but maybe Gallman can help.
The defense has been disappointing against the run, but should be better when Goodson returns. And yesterday, Apple made 2 bad plays that really lost the game.
In the league of parity, the Giants have a fighter's chance against anybody. So I don't think the season will end up as badly as it seems now.
You haven't seen the schedule have you? AFC West and NFC West. Now it looks like the NFC West is not as strong but if this team doesn't find a rythym soon, it could get ugly. With that said, I think the Giants can good into the bye with a 3-4 record if they can straighten things out. The good news is that we have more home division games in the 2nd half of the season. So there's a shot but they have to now take it one game at a time. The Philly game as heart breaking as it was, showed that this team can score now. We'll see how we come out against Tampa.
If this team eliminates stupid and costly mistakes, it can go on a small run. But just as likely they enter the bye 2-4 or 1-6.
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This team has Odell Beckham, Sterling Shepard, Evan Engram, Landon Collins, Janoris Jenkins, DRC, Olivier Vernon, JPP, Damon Harrison...
These are guys who could start on any team in the NFL.
Not a leader amongst them. The peeing on the logo thing? Really? He needs to grow up. But when your head coach shows video movie clips and things they are sage wisdom and motivating toubget crap like this.
No leadership from the owners on down.
Snacks, Vernon, and Collins are leaders. Eli leads the offense.
Sorry. A leader grabs Beckham and Engram and makes sure they don't hurt he team after TD w a silly display.
No one grabbed those guys by he facemask and say enough ? Eli leads by example. Vernon is the most over paid player in the league. Collins needs to step up more.
You think any of this guys is a Harry Carson? To me his is a team who bought last season guaranteed them something. Starting w he HC the mistakes we've seen after 3 weeks mentally alone make me wonder about every player
Leadership comes in many forms and is not always visible to us. Not everyone needs to be Tom Brady grabbing face masks.
yup others and the giants don't get thst
team has a choice now at 0-3 give up and just say screw it or say it is a 3 game losing streak had the same thing last year and go out and beat tampa...
really havr no idea which way it will go, if you are an optimist you think the offense found something in that 4th quarter...
We have a great engine and pit crew (players).
We have a driver who can get us a win (Eli)
The problem is that we are running a race with tires that are more worn than our competitors (Offensive Line)
We also have a crew chief who is making some poor setup and race day decisions (McAdoo)
So, even though our owner may have supplied us with a car that can win, a couple of those critical elements will prevent us from winning no matter what we have under the hood.
The drip drab way he handled the end of Coughlin's tenure was a mess. Fire Gilbride Fire Fewell. The. Finally fire TC for a guy who was a barely qualified to be hired as an OC
Reese's insane aversion to correct misses w Flowers and Richberg. Shitty RBs.
Last year was an illusion and an aberration. McAdoo bad just a bad hire. We heard form day he was a future HC all due to Mara's falling in love w him Owenwrship needs to clean house and get away from football decions
You keep mentioning that you think McAdoo was barely qualified when he was hired as OC but you have yet to answer my question from last week about this - did you think Spagnuolo was barely qualified to be a DC when they hired him the first time?
Second, they still can't run or protect Eli. You can't hold the other team to negative points, and the inability to run means the other D gets to play soft and just naturally tighten up when their backs are against the endzone.
Until this improves we will be an average or below average team.
And that's before you even talk about a bad bounce or call by a ref during a game.
This team's been reading its press clippings with too much belief in written words.
This team's been reading its press clippings with too much belief in written words.
Are we sure about that? Maybe it is the fans who were believing the press clippings. Not sure when I heard any player talk about how great this team was going to be.
Not sure if that is what you meant. I may have misunderstood
These are guys who could start on any team in the NFL.
I am not so sure about that. I agree with you for the most part but Sheppard until yesterday is just an average WR. Engram has not proven anything yet. Vernon was liked by many but not at the price we paid. DRC has been around and though good he has never been great. But, at the same time I noticed in your list you left out players at positions you need to have in order to win. QB, Oline, RB... We have a good QB on the downside (yesterday doesn't change that) and an Oline that is shit. Our "best" player is a borderline headcase. He is also a Finesse player. We have nobody on offense that is a take over the game and change it physically. Not a RB, WR, TE or Olinemen.. We are a pansy unit.
I am with you JonC. In fact some of the talent is also the dipshits referenced.
Team is average to below average in all 3 phases of the game.
Lack of team leadership
No team unity too much individual play...see OBJ,EE penalties
Team lacks mental toughness
Poor coaching in all phases of the game including in game changes to game plan
Not surprised at all as we Giants fans tend to overrate the talent on our team.
This team's been reading its press clippings with too much belief in written words.
I agree. OBJ is a headcase...brilliant athlete...but a complete primadonna. I also think the franchise has fallen into the skill player trap, where Reese is convinced each year that they are one brilliant skill player away from solving the offense vs. beefing up the lines.
We are a bad team that is poorly coached and now has star players who have been punched in the guy 3 times without a the necessary players leadership to get the train back on track.
We scored one TD in eleven quarters.
We are last in the NFL in run defense.
We can't run the ball.
Our passing offense basically has no downfield component.
Our ST are again moribund, including a PR for a TD, and a shank 28 yard punt that helped set up the winning FG yesterday.
Our OL is easily controlled by four or five DL.
Our play calling is bewildering.
We make too many mistakes.
We commit too many penalties, including crotch grabs and simulated dog peeing after TDs.
The fact that we are 0-3 despite our individual talent proves that the whole is less than the sum of our parts, and that our coaching is bad. Or maybe we have overestimated our talent.
We absolutely deserve to be 0-3.
It seems that the past 3 weeks, every receiver has multiple defenders around him or her.
It's like the easiest throw Manning has had was the touchdown to Engram in Week 2!
Not sure I buy that. Look at who was quarterbacking the 1997 Giants.
It seems that the past 3 weeks, every receiver has multiple defenders around him or her.
It's like the easiest throw Manning has had was the touchdown to Engram in Week 2!
pass to Marshall vs lions..marshall drops
Maybe it was the heat yesterday, but I saw absolutely no will to succeed (offensively) for roughly three quarters of play. By the time things began to click in the fourth, the defense was so exhausted it couldn't stop basic plays run by the opposition.
Our players showed remarkably bad judgment at key junctures in the game, couldn't capitalize on gift opportunities, and failed to execute fundamental plays due to poor technique, lousy design, and incomprehensible play selection.
I thought this would be a competitive team. I'm shocked at how they've been out-played, under-prepared, and undisciplined this month. It's a classic example of Rudderless Leadership, both in the locker room and in the coaching offices.
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This team has Odell Beckham, Sterling Shepard, Evan Engram, Landon Collins, Janoris Jenkins, DRC, Olivier Vernon, JPP, Damon Harrison...
These are guys who could start on any team in the NFL.
Not a leader amongst them. The peeing on the logo thing? Really? He needs to grow up. But when your head coach shows video movie clips and things they are sage wisdom and motivating toubget crap like this.
No leadership from the owners on down.
What a dumb post.
Coughlin used to show clips/videos of all sorts of things to the team in attempt to motivate them, but I'm guessing you didn't realize that.
Add in a critical mistake every week on special teams, bingo 0-3
It s very easy to believe
But there is some cognitive disconnect best illustrated by the insane reliance on a single personnel package on O last season. It decreased a bit over the course of the season and then further this year but is still puzzlingly high. It's like he was/is trying to simplify his job and/or had an untested theory and he's not willing to give up on it and/or make a statement that he's the boss now. All things that experience would probably erase.
So yes we decided to give a guy a shot and give him on the job training and that's costly. The teams personality is still the same as it was under TC - capable of excellence but with far more WTF moments than they should. But with Eli and OBJ this should be an average O at worst, and if it was we wouldn't be 0-3.
Yesterday isn't the issue - the team played well on the road and should have won but had really bad luck - the refs stealing a TD that 9 out of 10 times isn't overturned (even if they were right), Vereen OB, John Jerry being called, Darkwa hurt when we needed him, Vernon too, the timekeeper, a 61 f'ing yard FG, etc. All this with a games worth of big plays given up on 2 DPIs and the run defense being gashed. And we know that unit is competently led.
This was a prototypical TC loss to Philly - same old, same old. But decent coaching and we'd have almost surely won at least one of the prior 2 and our season wouldn't be over.
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This team's been reading its press clippings with too much belief in written words.
Are we sure about that? Maybe it is the fans who were believing the press clippings. Not sure when I heard any player talk about how great this team was going to be.
Not sure if that is what you meant. I may have misunderstood
It's both team and fans, quite frankly. This team isn't much different than the squad a year ago that did a good job of not beating itself. Fast forward a year, mix in some contender talk, and this group isn't focused.
Talent is there, coaching isn't. GM isn't any good either.
We have a soft team these days....
Maybe it was the heat yesterday, but I saw absolutely no will to succeed (offensively) for roughly three quarters of play. By the time things began to click in the fourth, the defense was so exhausted it couldn't stop basic plays run by the opposition.
Our players showed remarkably bad judgment at key junctures in the game, couldn't capitalize on gift opportunities, and failed to execute fundamental plays due to poor technique, lousy design, and incomprehensible play selection.
I thought this would be a competitive team. I'm shocked at how they've been out-played, under-prepared, and undisciplined this month. It's a classic example of Rudderless Leadership, both in the locker room and in the coaching offices.
GREAT POST GEORGE!!!!
As the Tuna always said you are what your record says you are. The awful O-line alone could account for all these losses. Factor in no Odell for essentially the first two weeks, random mistakes, bad bounces, bad calls, plus a difficult schedule and its' all too easy to believe we're 0-3...and facing a strong possibility of being 0-4 after playing a good young Tampa Bay squad.
Add in a critical mistake every week on special teams, bingo 0-3
It s very easy to believe
Football fundamentals. Run the ball, stop the run. Don't commit penalties. Protect the football. The Giants are not doing these things well.
Guess we're just conditioned to losing at this point.
Maybe it was the heat yesterday, but I saw absolutely no will to succeed (offensively) for roughly three quarters of play. By the time things began to click in the fourth, the defense was so exhausted it couldn't stop basic plays run by the opposition.
Our players showed remarkably bad judgment at key junctures in the game, couldn't capitalize on gift opportunities, and failed to execute fundamental plays due to poor technique, lousy design, and incomprehensible play selection.
I thought this would be a competitive team. I'm shocked at how they've been out-played, under-prepared, and undisciplined this month. It's a classic example of Rudderless Leadership, both in the locker room and in the coaching offices.
Strong post.
This year's team still has time to turn things around, but they will need to start executing better.
On a positive note - there were many positive things to see in yesterday's game. Much of BBI saw no way this team could move the ball consistently and score points against a porous Eagles secondary. The offense delivered, and for the first time in a long time they put the win on the shoulders of the defense. The defense was not able to deliver. It happens.
I'm actually feeling way better about this team following yesterday's performance. We will be better this next week against Tampa. A great run starts with the first win. I think we get that this week.
The defense is not as good as last year.
This is not a well-coached team.
IMHO the D problems are 1. loosing Hankins and 2. just general exhaustion and mental deflation from suck O weeks 1 and 2.
In short, the guys they brought in for D are not the types to overcome lack of time management by the O (no run game) nor to replace Hank.
There was something to Hank + Snacks, they as a unit helped out the LBs, for instance.
You want to loose hank? Then get a giant nose type, and I said it at the time.
The overall team weaknesses and blind spots remain and that is squarely and easily demonstrably on the front office.
As for the defense, Vernon and JPP are good players, but they rarely dominate a game. Apple has not progressed. There are areas to exploit on that side of the ball.
Until this improves we will be an average or below average team.
there are very few good tackling team in the NFL today, good tackling is becoming a lost talent, as a matter of fact it isn't even stressed in college, all NFL players are looking to strip the ball instead of making the tackle ..
But in retrospect, we should have known the offense would struggle with OL and RB units that weren't upgraded at all.
What is especially shocking is our poor run defense and the fact that we can't get off the field on third down.
Then there's the ST mishaps, bonehead 15 yard penalties and very questionable play-calling. In three games, we already have a laundry list of inexplicable moves made by players and coaches.
It's not just one thing. We are what we are... 0-3.
Imagine if we took Cam Robinson at #1 with a trade down
took Dion Dawkins at #2 and took Kareem Hunt at #3 who was
taken 1 pick before us we had extra picks to move up or
even stay put and take D'Onta Foreman who I think is gonna
be a very good back with power speed and hands .
We would have been fine with Ellison Adams and LaCosse at
TE instead of getting the shiny new toy in Engram who is gonna be a good player but we have no run game and no RB's .
Not only would the starters on the O-line be better but the depth as well .
we open with two road games against division rivals, including two night games. throw in the critical mistakes at the worst times - marshalls drop against det, the big punt return, and all we saw yesterday. and then some of it is just bad luck - a rookie kicker makes one of the 10 longest fgs of all time at the gun right after your two defenders collide trying to make a play on the ball allowing the wr to make the catch and get out of bounds. it just feeds on itself. maybe a better more experienced coach has an easier time righting the ship and pulling out a win. but look around the league - the teams that look great one week can suck the next. we weren't that good last year and we're probably not this bad this year. but it's pretty much moot now.
These are guys who could start on any team in the NFL.
You are crazy...
You just named 9 guys who can start on any NFL team.
That leaves at least thirteen spots in need, including the most important, QB
And one of those 9 was a rookie named Engram, who you think can start at tight end for any NFL team?
No wonder you are shell shocked
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The drip drab way he handled the end of Coughlin's tenure was a mess. Fire Gilbride Fire Fewell. The. Finally fire TC for a guy who was a barely qualified to be hired as an OC
Reese's insane aversion to correct misses w Flowers and Richberg. Shitty RBs.
Last year was an illusion and an aberration. McAdoo bad just a bad hire. We heard form day he was a future HC all due to Mara's falling in love w him Owenwrship needs to clean house and get away from football decions
You keep mentioning that you think McAdoo was barely qualified when he was hired as OC but you have yet to answer my question from last week about this - did you think Spagnuolo was barely qualified to be a DC when they hired him the first time?
Sorry. Missed your question last week. The point I'm making about his lack of experience is that he was never an OC. Ive never been insanely impressed w 3 step drops his greatest game plan of throw the ball to OBJ.
He seems to be guy Mara just fell in love w. Then to further elevate him in only two years compounds what seems to be on full display this year. Great coaches coach around the deficiencies In Their rosters. Not only does he seem incapable of that, but his ability to have much input on D is questionable. I don't think he knows what to do. It's simple. I think he got lucky last year and now this year he thought just showing up and keeping things the same would work.
You can't just pretend other teams are just going to not watch film adjust. Like his aversion to run any other formation besides 3 wide receivers. Opposing defensive corodinators must be over joyed facing him. Lack of experience can not always be over come. Think the season is on the brink and I'm not totally surprised
COACHING.
The Iggles were missing 4 players in their secondary, and it still took the Giants until the 4th Qtr. to wake up.
Maybe they are not as talented as some thought. I am already disgusted with this team and also the GM!
Maybe my expectations were too high as well.
It just seems like the season is over after week 3.
And in limited downs. Giants are in the bottom of the league in offensive snaps per game. With so few opportunities, the fact that he has as much production as he does is a sign that he is a top TE talent already and would likely start on any team in the league. Even if you had a better TE, you would probably still start Engram as a second TE over whoever your third WR or FB is.
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This team has Odell Beckham, Sterling Shepard, Evan Engram, Landon Collins, Janoris Jenkins, DRC, Olivier Vernon, JPP, Damon Harrison...
These are guys who could start on any team in the NFL.
Not a leader amongst them. The peeing on the logo thing? Really? He needs to grow up. But when your head coach shows video movie clips and things they are sage wisdom and motivating toubget crap like this.
No leadership from the owners on down.
What a dumb post.
Coughlin used to show clips/videos of all sorts of things to the team in attempt to motivate them, but I'm guessing you didn't realize that.
The point is clips aren't enough. There has to be more behind it. He Dow t adjust. His offense is a mess and he doesn't have a thing to do w the defend. The guy is unqualified. Of TC sits down to talk about football and wants to illustrate a point in crayon he can so can Bill B.
So fuck off asshole
But there is some cognitive disconnect best illustrated by the insane reliance on a single personnel package on O last season. It decreased a bit over the course of the season and then further this year but is still puzzlingly high. It's like he was/is trying to simplify his job and/or had an untested theory and he's not willing to give up on it and/or make a statement that he's the boss now. All things that experience would probably erase.
So yes we decided to give a guy a shot and give him on the job training and that's costly. The teams personality is still the same as it was under TC - capable of excellence but with far more WTF moments than they should. But with Eli and OBJ this should be an average O at worst, and if it was we wouldn't be 0-3.
Yesterday isn't the issue - the team played well on the road and should have won but had really bad luck - the refs stealing a TD that 9 out of 10 times isn't overturned (even if they were right), Vereen OB, John Jerry being called, Darkwa hurt when we needed him, Vernon too, the timekeeper, a 61 f'ing yard FG, etc. All this with a games worth of big plays given up on 2 DPIs and the run defense being gashed. And we know that unit is competently led.
This was a prototypical TC loss to Philly - same old, same old. But decent coaching and we'd have almost surely won at least one of the prior 2 and our season wouldn't be over.
He's a bad head coach right now; you are hoping and praying that it's just a learning curve, although he already has a whole season under his belt as HC and two as OC, because the alternative is an unmitigated disaster, but it is just as possible that he remains a bad HC.
I've said it over and over to start this season - to blame the OL is a copout. McAdoo was brought here in 2014 to install the WCO in order to combat an equally bad and porous OL. In his 2 seasons as OC, the offense was outstanding and ELI had 2 of his best years. They now have more talent at WR, TE, and RB with an equally shitty OL, yet the offense is bottom of the league. Where is McAdoo's genius now? I think he is in over his head as HC and was bailed out by a very talented D that had everything go right last year on that side of the ball. This year, the D is not as good and the O regressed, thus 0-3.
Honestly, I think anything less than the playoffs is a disappointment this year. If they don't get back to at least .500 I would honestly fire McAdoo given the expectations. Why a short leash on him? He doesn't have the resume to hang his hat on and this team has looked just that bad.
The OL was supposed to be compensated for with the WCO, and it was for 2 seasons. Since taking over as HC, McAdoo has run a very different offense with very disjointed playcalling. How many fucking times do we need to throw a 2 yard pass on 3rd and 5 or less? How many more times do we need to throw short of the sticks on any other 3rd down? McAdoo is a huge reason for our failures, in my opinion.
2)Receivers that catch the ball with their body. Sheppard catches the ball with his hands and that is a TD. All he has to do is reach out.
3)Probably your fastest player (Engram) running a crossing route almost every time and 2 times you run him up the seam this year you get a TD and clear out the area for a screen to Darkwa to work. I hate this play calling.
4)Shotgun from the 1 inch line. No big back on this team
5)The defense being on the field 34 minutes plus a game.. I think they are close to quitting
6)48 yards per game rushing
7)The stubbornness to continue to trot the same offensive line order out there. Burying your head in the sand and thinking they are fine.
8)The constant throwing Eli under the bus when his left tackle is a human turnstile.
That's just some off the top of my head..
Marshall seems like he is not interested in playing.. you have to interfere with that defender. Prevent him from catching the ball.
Collins seems disinterested. Thompson can't tackle. Adams was better.
All the talk about do or die in Philly was crap. This is the do or die week. Tampa is just OK. If the season is to be saved it starts next Sunday.
Who steps up to take control in the locker room? Who speaks truth to power in the coaches' meetings tomorrow? Who puts this team on his shoulders next Sunday and the one after that and the one after that?
Interesting times we live in, man.
All the talk about do or die in Philly was crap. This is the do or die week. Tampa is just OK. If the season is to be saved it starts next Sunday.
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Engram is already one of the best pass catching TEs in the league. He's top 10 in catches and yards through his first 3 games of his career without really doing that much. So yes, he can.
And in limited downs. Giants are in the bottom of the league in offensive snaps per game. With so few opportunities, the fact that he has as much production as he does is a sign that he is a top TE talent already and would likely start on any team in the league. Even if you had a better TE, you would probably still start Engram as a second TE over whoever your third WR or FB is.
That's as reasonable defense of Engram. I still wouldn't describe him as a complete TE who would start on any team. That he only gets limited snaps on this team supports that.
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The Giants should have won yesterday playing on the road against a team you thought they had no chance against. You can say bad teams find a way to lose, or you can see football in all its imperfections where byzantine rules and dumb luck play a too big a role.
The O-line is bad, but gave Eli enough time to consistently move the ball the entire game. (Giants were in Red Zone 6 times.) The worst position group is running back, but maybe Gallman can help.
The defense has been disappointing against the run, but should be better when Goodson returns. And yesterday, Apple made 2 bad plays that really lost the game.
In the league of parity, the Giants have a fighter's chance against anybody. So I don't think the season will end up as badly as it seems now.
You haven't seen the schedule have you? AFC West and NFC West. Now it looks like the NFC West is not as strong but if this team doesn't find a rythym soon, it could get ugly. With that said, I think the Giants can good into the bye with a 3-4 record if they can straighten things out. The good news is that we have more home division games in the 2nd half of the season. So there's a shot but they have to now take it one game at a time. The Philly game as heart breaking as it was, showed that this team can score now. We'll see how we come out against Tampa.
That's the thing. People are getting so caught up about the 0-3, but the 0-3 is a function of crap play but also when and where we have played. How many times did this team start 6-2 only to sputter at the end. If you can miss the playoffs at 6-2 because you played your cupcakes early on, you can certainly go on a run if you straighten out the ship. Look at what the Pack did last year.
Sure this team probably won't make the post-season, but if the offense plays like it did in the fourth quarter and/or improves, the season isn't over by any stretch. It was a heart-breaking loss, but a lot had to go wrong in that game for us to lose it. I honestly thought we would not have played that well. Maybe it's something to build on. Tampa next week has a lot of issues, also. Get a win there and see what happens.
Gene, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt - it's a big job. I've seen people take many years to become adept at very mundane jobs and once the light goes on they go from Ds to As.
And yeah, I'm being optimistic . Why does that bother you?
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1)Coach-able penalties that could have been prevented - We can't score a TD but Engram go and grab your crotch on TV when we finally do? Odell pisses like a dog after his first TD? John Jerry grabbing the player getting off the field?
(results from frustration, from pressing, from ultimately no O line?)
2)Receivers that catch the ball with their body. Sheppard catches the ball with his hands and that is a TD. All he has to do is reach out.
(body catch maybe results from ultra short time after snap, wr turns, ball hits him, i.e. goes back to OL play)
3)Probably your fastest player (Engram) running a crossing route almost every time and 2 times you run him up the seam this year you get a TD and clear out the area for a screen to Darkwa to work. I hate this play calling. (?)
4)Shotgun from the 1 inch line. No big back on this team
(line)
5)The defense being on the field 34 minutes plus a game.. I think they are close to quitting
(goes back to no O line, no T.O.P game)
6)48 yards per game rushing
(no O line)
7)The stubbornness to continue to trot the same offensive line order out there. Burying your head in the sand and thinking they are fine.
(true)
8)The constant throwing Eli under the bus when his left tackle is a human turnstile.
( as above)
That's just some off the top of my head..''
I do remember reading a lot of the predictions on the prediction threads. I saw a bunch of 11-5s, 10-6s…a couple 14-2s…I never made a prediction because well, I just knew something was… off.
I just knew from the Dallas game right off the bat, nothing was new. The line sucked, the play calling sucked. Giants can’t run the ball, the defense was getting gassed. I was at the Lions game, again the same pattern, the goofy play calling…the horrible offensive line…yada yada, same old. Sometimes Marshall makes me miss Cruz and Ruben Randle, lol.
I mean it sucks and I know there is nothing I can do about it, but I don’t want another boring 2013 year, fishing for our first win sometime in mid October and playing a bunch of nothing games in December. This just isn’t the way it was supposed to be.
2016 was a fun year but it really seems like the wheels have fallen off and we got.. this.
What am I looking at BBI? What the hell kind of team is this?
I hate to say it but I will be missing the Tampa Bay game, I will be IN CONTROL for Chowderfest on LBI, running the show.