There are way too many good players on this team for this team to be this bad. I'm not sure I've ever seen a Giants team be this disappointing. Maybe the 1991 team under you-know-who, but even that team won half their games.
I'm a bit shell-shocked right now.
They are also last in the NFL in rush yards allowed.
Why shouldn't they be 0-3?
Think about that.
Yesterday's "24 point outburst" was the first time the Giant scored 3 Touchdowns in one game since Nov 27 of last year against the Browns.
The Jets, who are trotting out Josh McCown, Robby Anderson, Jermaine Kearse, and Bilal Powell, have looked better on offense through three games than the Giants.
You're crazy
It's to be expected from young players like Engram and Apple, but the WRs as a whole look like a bunch of idiots out there (and on the sideline). Me thinks too much being made of reading their own press clippings in that group.
This doesn't even touch the stubbornness and mistakes the coach makes.
But your right, Eric. It's shocking a team with this kind of man for man talent could play this poorly. It's hard to know what to say.
While we all agree the run game is a problem, passing, defense and special teams are all significantly below average, in spite of our "stars".
We need alot things to break our way to win a game, but have a million ways to lose one.
I wanted TC gone but I wanted a complete overhaul to the team form the GM on down... instead we got minor tweaks.
I can live through what is shaping up to a be a horrific season if I thought we were going to cut bait and remake this org in the off season - sadly I don't see it happening.
The drip drab way he handled the end of Coughlin's tenure was a mess. Fire Gilbride Fire Fewell. The. Finally fire TC for a guy who was a barely qualified to be hired as an OC
Reese's insane aversion to correct misses w Flowers and Richberg. Shitty RBs.
Last year was an illusion and an aberration. McAdoo bad just a bad hire. We heard form day he was a future HC all due to Mara's falling in love w him Owenwrship needs to clean house and get away from football decions
These are guys who could start on any team in the NFL.
The O-line is bad, but gave Eli enough time to consistently move the ball the entire game. (Giants were in Red Zone 6 times.) The worst position group is running back, but maybe Gallman can help.
The defense has been disappointing against the run, but should be better when Goodson returns. And yesterday, Apple made 2 bad plays that really lost the game.
In the league of parity, the Giants have a fighter's chance against anybody. So I don't think the season will end up as badly as it seems now.
It starts and ends with MacAdoo not getting it done. He is over his head.
These are guys who could start on any team in the NFL.
Eric, it's COACHING. It doesn't matter what players they have when the coaching sucks.
These are guys who could start on any team in the NFL.
Not a leader amongst them. The peeing on the logo thing? Really? He needs to grow up. But when your head coach shows video movie clips and things they are sage wisdom and motivating toubget crap like this.
No leadership from the owners on down.
It would have to go up 2 to 3 notches to get to sucks
It starts and ends with MacAdoo not getting it done. He is over his head.
Granted there were critical errors in the final 5 min yesterday, but I think McAdoo beat himself. Should have taken the FG at the end of the half and in the third quarter. I get being aggressive, but you have to be smart too. Going for it on 4th down on the one when you get the 2nd half kickoff is not smart.
McAdoo did not have this team ready to play in Dallas, and his offensive scheme was flawed against Detroit. There is confidence and there is cocky. McAdoo strikes me as cocky.
Not a fair comparison, but does anyone really think Coughlin would be 0-3 with this team?
These are guys who could start on any team in the NFL.
This team has talent but it's fragile because it relies a lot on the really good players who if anyone of those you mention miss time, the team suffers. Beckham and Jenkins being out have been big factors (especially Beckham) in the 0-3 start. Imagine if Snacks goes down (run D will suffer)? Or Vernon (pass rush suffers)? This team's core has to stay healthy in order for it to have any success because the rest of the players are not tough enough as compare to past Giants teams that have contended.
So overall team talent is subpar beyond the core and that's something that Reese needs to look at and addresss. Lastly, the team is soft right now. Can't stop the run and can't run the ball. The lines and the backs need to play tougher!
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This team has Odell Beckham, Sterling Shepard, Evan Engram, Landon Collins, Janoris Jenkins, DRC, Olivier Vernon, JPP, Damon Harrison...
These are guys who could start on any team in the NFL.
Not a leader amongst them. The peeing on the logo thing? Really? He needs to grow up. But when your head coach shows video movie clips and things they are sage wisdom and motivating toubget crap like this.
No leadership from the owners on down.
Snacks, Vernon, and Collins are leaders. Eli leads the offense.
We should have steamrolled them, but boneheaded playcalling and stupid mistakes plagued us all day.
That half flush of the toilet when Coughlin left didn't do the trick - leaving the entire offensive staff for continuity certainly hasn't paid off dividends.
The unfathomably stupid delay of game penalty on Jerry, the 28 yard punt, letting the Eagles receiver get out of bounds to stop the clock...those kinds of mental errors are not made by confident, focused teams who know how to win.
The time clock operator's shenanigans are irrelevant, the Giants would have found a way to lose in OT anyway.
The O-line is bad, but gave Eli enough time to consistently move the ball the entire game. (Giants were in Red Zone 6 times.) The worst position group is running back, but maybe Gallman can help.
The defense has been disappointing against the run, but should be better when Goodson returns. And yesterday, Apple made 2 bad plays that really lost the game.
In the league of parity, the Giants have a fighter's chance against anybody. So I don't think the season will end up as badly as it seems now.
You haven't seen the schedule have you? AFC West and NFC West. Now it looks like the NFC West is not as strong but if this team doesn't find a rythym soon, it could get ugly. With that said, I think the Giants can good into the bye with a 3-4 record if they can straighten things out. The good news is that we have more home division games in the 2nd half of the season. So there's a shot but they have to now take it one game at a time. The Philly game as heart breaking as it was, showed that this team can score now. We'll see how we come out against Tampa.
We should have steamrolled them, but boneheaded playcalling and stupid mistakes plagued us all day.
That half flush of the toilet when Coughlin left didn't do the trick - leaving the entire offensive staff for continuity certainly hasn't paid off dividends.
All too true, although the O-line appears devoid of talent. This team makes stupid in EVERY phase of the game and they are NOT good enough to overcome those. Mistakes are a direct reflection of coaching.
yet all along I heard ol can get by just being mediocre
The drip drab way he handled the end of Coughlin's tenure was a mess. Fire Gilbride Fire Fewell. The. Finally fire TC for a guy who was a barely qualified to be hired as an OC
Reese's insane aversion to correct misses w Flowers and Richberg. Shitty RBs.
Last year was an illusion and an aberration. McAdoo bad just a bad hire. We heard form day he was a future HC all due to Mara's falling in love w him Owenwrship needs to clean house and get away from football decions
I am afraid McAdoo was a bad hire and totally over his head but I want him to succeed because the alternative is back to the late 60's.
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problem. That wasn't a talent issue - Philly was banged up and even at their positions of strength they couldn't get anything done for the most part.
We should have steamrolled them, but boneheaded playcalling and stupid mistakes plagued us all day.
That half flush of the toilet when Coughlin left didn't do the trick - leaving the entire offensive staff for continuity certainly hasn't paid off dividends.
All too true, although the O-line appears devoid of talent. This team makes stupid in EVERY phase of the game and they are NOT good enough to overcome those. Mistakes are a direct reflection of coaching.
The advanced stats before this game told a story of the Giants OL being somewhere in the 17-20 range. Yesterday, they held a very good Eagles DL in check for most of the game.
I don't think our OL is winning any awards any time soon, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see both Pugh and Richburg leave and fare much better than they have here. There's talent on this team - and whether it's enough to do some damage in the playoffs is one thing, but that it's certainly not so bad as to be winless right now is another. They've underperformed, and that's putting it mildly.
One example - I don't know what it's going to take to get McAdoo to hand over playcalling. It was an issue last year, and it has worsened and been directly responsible for a couple of the losses thus far. They're 0-3 - what are they waiting for?
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This team has Odell Beckham, Sterling Shepard, Evan Engram, Landon Collins, Janoris Jenkins, DRC, Olivier Vernon, JPP, Damon Harrison...
These are guys who could start on any team in the NFL.
Not a leader amongst them. The peeing on the logo thing? Really? He needs to grow up. But when your head coach shows video movie clips and things they are sage wisdom and motivating toubget crap like this.
No leadership from the owners on down.
Snacks, Vernon, and Collins are leaders. Eli leads the offense.
Sorry. A leader grabs Beckham and Engram and makes sure they don't hurt he team after TD w a silly display.
No one grabbed those guys by he facemask and say enough ? Eli leads by example. Vernon is the most over paid player in the league. Collins needs to step up more.
You think any of this guys is a Harry Carson? To me his is a team who bought last season guaranteed them something. Starting w he HC the mistakes we've seen after 3 weeks mentally alone make me wonder about every player
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The Giants should have won yesterday playing on the road against a team you thought they had no chance against. You can say bad teams find a way to lose, or you can see football in all its imperfections where byzantine rules and dumb luck play a too big a role.
The O-line is bad, but gave Eli enough time to consistently move the ball the entire game. (Giants were in Red Zone 6 times.) The worst position group is running back, but maybe Gallman can help.
The defense has been disappointing against the run, but should be better when Goodson returns. And yesterday, Apple made 2 bad plays that really lost the game.
In the league of parity, the Giants have a fighter's chance against anybody. So I don't think the season will end up as badly as it seems now.
You haven't seen the schedule have you? AFC West and NFC West. Now it looks like the NFC West is not as strong but if this team doesn't find a rythym soon, it could get ugly. With that said, I think the Giants can good into the bye with a 3-4 record if they can straighten things out. The good news is that we have more home division games in the 2nd half of the season. So there's a shot but they have to now take it one game at a time. The Philly game as heart breaking as it was, showed that this team can score now. We'll see how we come out against Tampa.
If this team eliminates stupid and costly mistakes, it can go on a small run. But just as likely they enter the bye 2-4 or 1-6.
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In comment 13616975 Eric from BBI said:
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This team has Odell Beckham, Sterling Shepard, Evan Engram, Landon Collins, Janoris Jenkins, DRC, Olivier Vernon, JPP, Damon Harrison...
These are guys who could start on any team in the NFL.
Not a leader amongst them. The peeing on the logo thing? Really? He needs to grow up. But when your head coach shows video movie clips and things they are sage wisdom and motivating toubget crap like this.
No leadership from the owners on down.
Snacks, Vernon, and Collins are leaders. Eli leads the offense.
Sorry. A leader grabs Beckham and Engram and makes sure they don't hurt he team after TD w a silly display.
No one grabbed those guys by he facemask and say enough ? Eli leads by example. Vernon is the most over paid player in the league. Collins needs to step up more.
You think any of this guys is a Harry Carson? To me his is a team who bought last season guaranteed them something. Starting w he HC the mistakes we've seen after 3 weeks mentally alone make me wonder about every player
Leadership comes in many forms and is not always visible to us. Not everyone needs to be Tom Brady grabbing face masks.
yup others and the giants don't get thst
team has a choice now at 0-3 give up and just say screw it or say it is a 3 game losing streak had the same thing last year and go out and beat tampa...
really havr no idea which way it will go, if you are an optimist you think the offense found something in that 4th quarter...
We have a great engine and pit crew (players).
We have a driver who can get us a win (Eli)
The problem is that we are running a race with tires that are more worn than our competitors (Offensive Line)
We also have a crew chief who is making some poor setup and race day decisions (McAdoo)
So, even though our owner may have supplied us with a car that can win, a couple of those critical elements will prevent us from winning no matter what we have under the hood.
The drip drab way he handled the end of Coughlin's tenure was a mess. Fire Gilbride Fire Fewell. The. Finally fire TC for a guy who was a barely qualified to be hired as an OC
Reese's insane aversion to correct misses w Flowers and Richberg. Shitty RBs.
Last year was an illusion and an aberration. McAdoo bad just a bad hire. We heard form day he was a future HC all due to Mara's falling in love w him Owenwrship needs to clean house and get away from football decions
You keep mentioning that you think McAdoo was barely qualified when he was hired as OC but you have yet to answer my question from last week about this - did you think Spagnuolo was barely qualified to be a DC when they hired him the first time?
Second, they still can't run or protect Eli. You can't hold the other team to negative points, and the inability to run means the other D gets to play soft and just naturally tighten up when their backs are against the endzone.
Until this improves we will be an average or below average team.
And that's before you even talk about a bad bounce or call by a ref during a game.
This team's been reading its press clippings with too much belief in written words.
This team's been reading its press clippings with too much belief in written words.
Are we sure about that? Maybe it is the fans who were believing the press clippings. Not sure when I heard any player talk about how great this team was going to be.
Not sure if that is what you meant. I may have misunderstood