There are way too many good players on this team for this team to be this bad. I'm not sure I've ever seen a Giants team be this disappointing. Maybe the 1991 team under you-know-who, but even that team won half their games.
I'm a bit shell-shocked right now.
These are guys who could start on any team in the NFL.
I am not so sure about that. I agree with you for the most part but Sheppard until yesterday is just an average WR. Engram has not proven anything yet. Vernon was liked by many but not at the price we paid. DRC has been around and though good he has never been great. But, at the same time I noticed in your list you left out players at positions you need to have in order to win. QB, Oline, RB... We have a good QB on the downside (yesterday doesn't change that) and an Oline that is shit. Our "best" player is a borderline headcase. He is also a Finesse player. We have nobody on offense that is a take over the game and change it physically. Not a RB, WR, TE or Olinemen.. We are a pansy unit.
I am with you JonC. In fact some of the talent is also the dipshits referenced.
Team is average to below average in all 3 phases of the game.
Lack of team leadership
No team unity too much individual play...see OBJ,EE penalties
Team lacks mental toughness
Poor coaching in all phases of the game including in game changes to game plan
Not surprised at all as we Giants fans tend to overrate the talent on our team.
This team's been reading its press clippings with too much belief in written words.
I agree. OBJ is a headcase...brilliant athlete...but a complete primadonna. I also think the franchise has fallen into the skill player trap, where Reese is convinced each year that they are one brilliant skill player away from solving the offense vs. beefing up the lines.
We are a bad team that is poorly coached and now has star players who have been punched in the guy 3 times without a the necessary players leadership to get the train back on track.
We scored one TD in eleven quarters.
We are last in the NFL in run defense.
We can't run the ball.
Our passing offense basically has no downfield component.
Our ST are again moribund, including a PR for a TD, and a shank 28 yard punt that helped set up the winning FG yesterday.
Our OL is easily controlled by four or five DL.
Our play calling is bewildering.
We make too many mistakes.
We commit too many penalties, including crotch grabs and simulated dog peeing after TDs.
The fact that we are 0-3 despite our individual talent proves that the whole is less than the sum of our parts, and that our coaching is bad. Or maybe we have overestimated our talent.
We absolutely deserve to be 0-3.
It seems that the past 3 weeks, every receiver has multiple defenders around him or her.
It's like the easiest throw Manning has had was the touchdown to Engram in Week 2!
Not sure I buy that. Look at who was quarterbacking the 1997 Giants.
It seems that the past 3 weeks, every receiver has multiple defenders around him or her.
It's like the easiest throw Manning has had was the touchdown to Engram in Week 2!
pass to Marshall vs lions..marshall drops
Maybe it was the heat yesterday, but I saw absolutely no will to succeed (offensively) for roughly three quarters of play. By the time things began to click in the fourth, the defense was so exhausted it couldn't stop basic plays run by the opposition.
Our players showed remarkably bad judgment at key junctures in the game, couldn't capitalize on gift opportunities, and failed to execute fundamental plays due to poor technique, lousy design, and incomprehensible play selection.
I thought this would be a competitive team. I'm shocked at how they've been out-played, under-prepared, and undisciplined this month. It's a classic example of Rudderless Leadership, both in the locker room and in the coaching offices.
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This team has Odell Beckham, Sterling Shepard, Evan Engram, Landon Collins, Janoris Jenkins, DRC, Olivier Vernon, JPP, Damon Harrison...
These are guys who could start on any team in the NFL.
Not a leader amongst them. The peeing on the logo thing? Really? He needs to grow up. But when your head coach shows video movie clips and things they are sage wisdom and motivating toubget crap like this.
No leadership from the owners on down.
What a dumb post.
Coughlin used to show clips/videos of all sorts of things to the team in attempt to motivate them, but I'm guessing you didn't realize that.
Add in a critical mistake every week on special teams, bingo 0-3
It s very easy to believe
But there is some cognitive disconnect best illustrated by the insane reliance on a single personnel package on O last season. It decreased a bit over the course of the season and then further this year but is still puzzlingly high. It's like he was/is trying to simplify his job and/or had an untested theory and he's not willing to give up on it and/or make a statement that he's the boss now. All things that experience would probably erase.
So yes we decided to give a guy a shot and give him on the job training and that's costly. The teams personality is still the same as it was under TC - capable of excellence but with far more WTF moments than they should. But with Eli and OBJ this should be an average O at worst, and if it was we wouldn't be 0-3.
Yesterday isn't the issue - the team played well on the road and should have won but had really bad luck - the refs stealing a TD that 9 out of 10 times isn't overturned (even if they were right), Vereen OB, John Jerry being called, Darkwa hurt when we needed him, Vernon too, the timekeeper, a 61 f'ing yard FG, etc. All this with a games worth of big plays given up on 2 DPIs and the run defense being gashed. And we know that unit is competently led.
This was a prototypical TC loss to Philly - same old, same old. But decent coaching and we'd have almost surely won at least one of the prior 2 and our season wouldn't be over.
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This team's been reading its press clippings with too much belief in written words.
Are we sure about that? Maybe it is the fans who were believing the press clippings. Not sure when I heard any player talk about how great this team was going to be.
Not sure if that is what you meant. I may have misunderstood
It's both team and fans, quite frankly. This team isn't much different than the squad a year ago that did a good job of not beating itself. Fast forward a year, mix in some contender talk, and this group isn't focused.
Talent is there, coaching isn't. GM isn't any good either.
We have a soft team these days....
Maybe it was the heat yesterday, but I saw absolutely no will to succeed (offensively) for roughly three quarters of play. By the time things began to click in the fourth, the defense was so exhausted it couldn't stop basic plays run by the opposition.
Our players showed remarkably bad judgment at key junctures in the game, couldn't capitalize on gift opportunities, and failed to execute fundamental plays due to poor technique, lousy design, and incomprehensible play selection.
I thought this would be a competitive team. I'm shocked at how they've been out-played, under-prepared, and undisciplined this month. It's a classic example of Rudderless Leadership, both in the locker room and in the coaching offices.
GREAT POST GEORGE!!!!
As the Tuna always said you are what your record says you are. The awful O-line alone could account for all these losses. Factor in no Odell for essentially the first two weeks, random mistakes, bad bounces, bad calls, plus a difficult schedule and its' all too easy to believe we're 0-3...and facing a strong possibility of being 0-4 after playing a good young Tampa Bay squad.
Add in a critical mistake every week on special teams, bingo 0-3
It s very easy to believe
Football fundamentals. Run the ball, stop the run. Don't commit penalties. Protect the football. The Giants are not doing these things well.
Guess we're just conditioned to losing at this point.
Maybe it was the heat yesterday, but I saw absolutely no will to succeed (offensively) for roughly three quarters of play. By the time things began to click in the fourth, the defense was so exhausted it couldn't stop basic plays run by the opposition.
Our players showed remarkably bad judgment at key junctures in the game, couldn't capitalize on gift opportunities, and failed to execute fundamental plays due to poor technique, lousy design, and incomprehensible play selection.
I thought this would be a competitive team. I'm shocked at how they've been out-played, under-prepared, and undisciplined this month. It's a classic example of Rudderless Leadership, both in the locker room and in the coaching offices.
Strong post.
This year's team still has time to turn things around, but they will need to start executing better.
On a positive note - there were many positive things to see in yesterday's game. Much of BBI saw no way this team could move the ball consistently and score points against a porous Eagles secondary. The offense delivered, and for the first time in a long time they put the win on the shoulders of the defense. The defense was not able to deliver. It happens.
I'm actually feeling way better about this team following yesterday's performance. We will be better this next week against Tampa. A great run starts with the first win. I think we get that this week.
The defense is not as good as last year.
This is not a well-coached team.
IMHO the D problems are 1. loosing Hankins and 2. just general exhaustion and mental deflation from suck O weeks 1 and 2.
In short, the guys they brought in for D are not the types to overcome lack of time management by the O (no run game) nor to replace Hank.
There was something to Hank + Snacks, they as a unit helped out the LBs, for instance.
You want to loose hank? Then get a giant nose type, and I said it at the time.
The overall team weaknesses and blind spots remain and that is squarely and easily demonstrably on the front office.
As for the defense, Vernon and JPP are good players, but they rarely dominate a game. Apple has not progressed. There are areas to exploit on that side of the ball.
Until this improves we will be an average or below average team.
there are very few good tackling team in the NFL today, good tackling is becoming a lost talent, as a matter of fact it isn't even stressed in college, all NFL players are looking to strip the ball instead of making the tackle ..
But in retrospect, we should have known the offense would struggle with OL and RB units that weren't upgraded at all.
What is especially shocking is our poor run defense and the fact that we can't get off the field on third down.
Then there's the ST mishaps, bonehead 15 yard penalties and very questionable play-calling. In three games, we already have a laundry list of inexplicable moves made by players and coaches.
It's not just one thing. We are what we are... 0-3.
Imagine if we took Cam Robinson at #1 with a trade down
took Dion Dawkins at #2 and took Kareem Hunt at #3 who was
taken 1 pick before us we had extra picks to move up or
even stay put and take D'Onta Foreman who I think is gonna
be a very good back with power speed and hands .
We would have been fine with Ellison Adams and LaCosse at
TE instead of getting the shiny new toy in Engram who is gonna be a good player but we have no run game and no RB's .
Not only would the starters on the O-line be better but the depth as well .
we open with two road games against division rivals, including two night games. throw in the critical mistakes at the worst times - marshalls drop against det, the big punt return, and all we saw yesterday. and then some of it is just bad luck - a rookie kicker makes one of the 10 longest fgs of all time at the gun right after your two defenders collide trying to make a play on the ball allowing the wr to make the catch and get out of bounds. it just feeds on itself. maybe a better more experienced coach has an easier time righting the ship and pulling out a win. but look around the league - the teams that look great one week can suck the next. we weren't that good last year and we're probably not this bad this year. but it's pretty much moot now.
These are guys who could start on any team in the NFL.
You are crazy...
You just named 9 guys who can start on any NFL team.
That leaves at least thirteen spots in need, including the most important, QB
And one of those 9 was a rookie named Engram, who you think can start at tight end for any NFL team?
No wonder you are shell shocked
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The drip drab way he handled the end of Coughlin's tenure was a mess. Fire Gilbride Fire Fewell. The. Finally fire TC for a guy who was a barely qualified to be hired as an OC
Reese's insane aversion to correct misses w Flowers and Richberg. Shitty RBs.
Last year was an illusion and an aberration. McAdoo bad just a bad hire. We heard form day he was a future HC all due to Mara's falling in love w him Owenwrship needs to clean house and get away from football decions
You keep mentioning that you think McAdoo was barely qualified when he was hired as OC but you have yet to answer my question from last week about this - did you think Spagnuolo was barely qualified to be a DC when they hired him the first time?
Sorry. Missed your question last week. The point I'm making about his lack of experience is that he was never an OC. Ive never been insanely impressed w 3 step drops his greatest game plan of throw the ball to OBJ.
He seems to be guy Mara just fell in love w. Then to further elevate him in only two years compounds what seems to be on full display this year. Great coaches coach around the deficiencies In Their rosters. Not only does he seem incapable of that, but his ability to have much input on D is questionable. I don't think he knows what to do. It's simple. I think he got lucky last year and now this year he thought just showing up and keeping things the same would work.
You can't just pretend other teams are just going to not watch film adjust. Like his aversion to run any other formation besides 3 wide receivers. Opposing defensive corodinators must be over joyed facing him. Lack of experience can not always be over come. Think the season is on the brink and I'm not totally surprised
COACHING.
The Iggles were missing 4 players in their secondary, and it still took the Giants until the 4th Qtr. to wake up.
Maybe they are not as talented as some thought. I am already disgusted with this team and also the GM!
Maybe my expectations were too high as well.
It just seems like the season is over after week 3.
And in limited downs. Giants are in the bottom of the league in offensive snaps per game. With so few opportunities, the fact that he has as much production as he does is a sign that he is a top TE talent already and would likely start on any team in the league. Even if you had a better TE, you would probably still start Engram as a second TE over whoever your third WR or FB is.