Call me crazy but there is no way this team should be 0-3

In comment 13617205 Devon said:

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In comment 13616986 LauderdaleMatty said: Quote: In comment 13616975 Eric from BBI said: Quote: This team has Odell Beckham, Sterling Shepard, Evan Engram, Landon Collins, Janoris Jenkins, DRC, Olivier Vernon, JPP, Damon Harrison... These are guys who could start on any team in the NFL. Not a leader amongst them. The peeing on the logo thing? Really? He needs to grow up. But when your head coach shows video movie clips and things they are sage wisdom and motivating toubget crap like this. No leadership from the owners on down. What a dumb post. Coughlin used to show clips/videos of all sorts of things to the team in attempt to motivate them, but I'm guessing you didn't realize that.

The point is clips aren't enough. There has to be more behind it. He Dow t adjust. His offense is a mess and he doesn't have a thing to do w the defend. The guy is unqualified. Of TC sits down to talk about football and wants to illustrate a point in crayon he can so can Bill B.

So fuck off asshole

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will bring just about every reason into the fold why the team is 0-3 and we've heard it all today. Let's give these guys a chance to bounce back from everyone saying they should hand in their checks for the rest of season, shall we? Christ.

In comment 13617223 HBart said:

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Like McAdoo is a really bad coach at this time. I say at this time because he seems to have the makings of a decent coach; the players play hard for him and he obviously knows what he's doing from a football POV. He has very low situational awareness - but more than TC did and TC won super bowls so that's not a deal killer. But there is some cognitive disconnect best illustrated by the insane reliance on a single personnel package on O last season. It decreased a bit over the course of the season and then further this year but is still puzzlingly high. It's like he was/is trying to simplify his job and/or had an untested theory and he's not willing to give up on it and/or make a statement that he's the boss now. All things that experience would probably erase. So yes we decided to give a guy a shot and give him on the job training and that's costly. The teams personality is still the same as it was under TC - capable of excellence but with far more WTF moments than they should. But with Eli and OBJ this should be an average O at worst, and if it was we wouldn't be 0-3. Yesterday isn't the issue - the team played well on the road and should have won but had really bad luck - the refs stealing a TD that 9 out of 10 times isn't overturned (even if they were right), Vereen OB, John Jerry being called, Darkwa hurt when we needed him, Vernon too, the timekeeper, a 61 f'ing yard FG, etc. All this with a games worth of big plays given up on 2 DPIs and the run defense being gashed. And we know that unit is competently led. This was a prototypical TC loss to Philly - same old, same old. But decent coaching and we'd have almost surely won at least one of the prior 2 and our season wouldn't be over.

Please. You said he's a bad coach, which is correct, and then proceeded to wrap the whole thing in hopes and dreams.

He's a bad head coach right now; you are hoping and praying that it's just a learning curve, although he already has a whole season under his belt as HC and two as OC, because the alternative is an unmitigated disaster, but it is just as possible that he remains a bad HC.

I thought they were going to win each of these 3 games. I think they are the more talented team in each of those matchups.

I've said it over and over to start this season - to blame the OL is a copout. McAdoo was brought here in 2014 to install the WCO in order to combat an equally bad and porous OL. In his 2 seasons as OC, the offense was outstanding and ELI had 2 of his best years. They now have more talent at WR, TE, and RB with an equally shitty OL, yet the offense is bottom of the league. Where is McAdoo's genius now? I think he is in over his head as HC and was bailed out by a very talented D that had everything go right last year on that side of the ball. This year, the D is not as good and the O regressed, thus 0-3.

Honestly, I think anything less than the playoffs is a disappointment this year. If they don't get back to at least .500 I would honestly fire McAdoo given the expectations. Why a short leash on him? He doesn't have the resume to hang his hat on and this team has looked just that bad.

Last year I thought Harris was terrible. Not only did he do nothing when he did return a punt, but his decisions on which to field, which to let bounce, which to fair catch, etc. were so bad it was like having a rookie back there. Yes, he played great as a gunner, but so what? So can a lot of other people. I thought given how bad his PR and KR were, his selection to the Pro Bowl was insulting as a fan. He was so bad I advocated cutting him, because a return man that offers little more than kick returns has no business on a roster with so many holes and issues. My opinion hasn't been changed by him this year.

I acknowledge how bad this OL is. But, it isn't tying their hands or the root cause for their failures. Their lack of run defense is a huge factor. Their issues in pass defense (not just Apple) is an issue. Their poor tackling is an issue. Their dropped passes continue to be an issue. Their ST play is an issue. Their RB play is an issue (not all the lack of productivity here is on the OL).

The OL was supposed to be compensated for with the WCO, and it was for 2 seasons. Since taking over as HC, McAdoo has run a very different offense with very disjointed playcalling. How many fucking times do we need to throw a 2 yard pass on 3rd and 5 or less? How many more times do we need to throw short of the sticks on any other 3rd down? McAdoo is a huge reason for our failures, in my opinion.

1)Coach-able penalties that could have been prevented - We can't score a TD but Engram go and grab your crotch on TV when we finally do? Odell pisses like a dog after his first TD? John Jerry grabbing the player getting off the field?

2)Receivers that catch the ball with their body. Sheppard catches the ball with his hands and that is a TD. All he has to do is reach out.

3)Probably your fastest player (Engram) running a crossing route almost every time and 2 times you run him up the seam this year you get a TD and clear out the area for a screen to Darkwa to work. I hate this play calling.

4)Shotgun from the 1 inch line. No big back on this team

5)The defense being on the field 34 minutes plus a game.. I think they are close to quitting

6)48 yards per game rushing

7)The stubbornness to continue to trot the same offensive line order out there. Burying your head in the sand and thinking they are fine.

8)The constant throwing Eli under the bus when his left tackle is a human turnstile.


That's just some off the top of my head..

Odell reaches with two hands and he probably catches that pass on 3rd down.

Marshall seems like he is not interested in playing.. you have to interfere with that defender. Prevent him from catching the ball.

Collins seems disinterested. Thompson can't tackle. Adams was better.

The defense would have held. Yesterday's loss was largely on self inflicted errors. I would have been pretty confident going into overtime yesterday. 61 yard FG....what can you do about that?

All the talk about do or die in Philly was crap. This is the do or die week. Tampa is just OK. If the season is to be saved it starts next Sunday.

ready to start the season. The starters needed more pre-season play. I think the Giants are maybe overly conscious about team health. While this is a legitimate concern, I think players need to play to get ready

now is when we will see what this team is made of.

Who steps up to take control in the locker room? Who speaks truth to power in the coaches' meetings tomorrow? Who puts this team on his shoulders next Sunday and the one after that and the one after that?

Interesting times we live in, man.

...the fish stinks from the head...

...the fish rots from the head down...

In comment 13618035 AnnapolisMike said:

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The defense would have held. Yesterday's loss was largely on self inflicted errors. I would have been pretty confident going into overtime yesterday. 61 yard FG....what can you do about that? All the talk about do or die in Philly was crap. This is the do or die week. Tampa is just OK. If the season is to be saved it starts next Sunday.

The 61 yard FG you have to just tip your hat to the PK. But, the completion on the preceding play you can point to as a defensive breakdown, which allowed them to even try the kick.

a 28 yard punt that should've traveled another 15 yards to pin the Eagles so far back into their own territory that they should've done a kneel down rather than risk a pick.

Was good last year but has been suspect this year. Has the feel of the Dan Reeves era.

In comment 13617734 Dan in the Springs said:

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In comment 13617614 ryanmkeane said: Quote: Engram is already one of the best pass catching TEs in the league. He's top 10 in catches and yards through his first 3 games of his career without really doing that much. So yes, he can. And in limited downs. Giants are in the bottom of the league in offensive snaps per game. With so few opportunities, the fact that he has as much production as he does is a sign that he is a top TE talent already and would likely start on any team in the league. Even if you had a better TE, you would probably still start Engram as a second TE over whoever your third WR or FB is.

That's as reasonable defense of Engram. I still wouldn't describe him as a complete TE who would start on any team. That he only gets limited snaps on this team supports that.

In comment 13616998 nybeast said:

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In comment 13616979 oldutican said: Quote: The Giants should have won yesterday playing on the road against a team you thought they had no chance against. You can say bad teams find a way to lose, or you can see football in all its imperfections where byzantine rules and dumb luck play a too big a role. The O-line is bad, but gave Eli enough time to consistently move the ball the entire game. (Giants were in Red Zone 6 times.) The worst position group is running back, but maybe Gallman can help. The defense has been disappointing against the run, but should be better when Goodson returns. And yesterday, Apple made 2 bad plays that really lost the game. In the league of parity, the Giants have a fighter's chance against anybody. So I don't think the season will end up as badly as it seems now. You haven't seen the schedule have you? AFC West and NFC West. Now it looks like the NFC West is not as strong but if this team doesn't find a rythym soon, it could get ugly. With that said, I think the Giants can good into the bye with a 3-4 record if they can straighten things out. The good news is that we have more home division games in the 2nd half of the season. So there's a shot but they have to now take it one game at a time. The Philly game as heart breaking as it was, showed that this team can score now. We'll see how we come out against Tampa.

That's the thing. People are getting so caught up about the 0-3, but the 0-3 is a function of crap play but also when and where we have played. How many times did this team start 6-2 only to sputter at the end. If you can miss the playoffs at 6-2 because you played your cupcakes early on, you can certainly go on a run if you straighten out the ship. Look at what the Pack did last year.

Sure this team probably won't make the post-season, but if the offense plays like it did in the fourth quarter and/or improves, the season isn't over by any stretch. It was a heart-breaking loss, but a lot had to go wrong in that game for us to lose it. I honestly thought we would not have played that well. Maybe it's something to build on. Tampa next week has a lot of issues, also. Get a win there and see what happens.

It's nice to have the time to watch football and be back here with intelligent discussion and old friends. I only wish the team gave us more positive to talk about. I hope all is with you.

Gene, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt - it's a big job. I've seen people take many years to become adept at very mundane jobs and once the light goes on they go from Ds to As.

And yeah, I'm being optimistic . Why does that bother you?

''Things that have bothered me so far this season
Tom from LI : 1:19 pm : link : reply

1)Coach-able penalties that could have been prevented - We can't score a TD but Engram go and grab your crotch on TV when we finally do? Odell pisses like a dog after his first TD? John Jerry grabbing the player getting off the field?

(results from frustration, from pressing, from ultimately no O line?)

2)Receivers that catch the ball with their body. Sheppard catches the ball with his hands and that is a TD. All he has to do is reach out.

(body catch maybe results from ultra short time after snap, wr turns, ball hits him, i.e. goes back to OL play)

3)Probably your fastest player (Engram) running a crossing route almost every time and 2 times you run him up the seam this year you get a TD and clear out the area for a screen to Darkwa to work. I hate this play calling. (?)

4)Shotgun from the 1 inch line. No big back on this team

(line)

5)The defense being on the field 34 minutes plus a game.. I think they are close to quitting

(goes back to no O line, no T.O.P game)

6)48 yards per game rushing

(no O line)

7)The stubbornness to continue to trot the same offensive line order out there. Burying your head in the sand and thinking they are fine.

(true)

8)The constant throwing Eli under the bus when his left tackle is a human turnstile.

( as above)


That's just some off the top of my head..''

I’m pissed off a bit but not surprised at all.

I do remember reading a lot of the predictions on the prediction threads. I saw a bunch of 11-5s, 10-6s…a couple 14-2s…I never made a prediction because well, I just knew something was… off.

I just knew from the Dallas game right off the bat, nothing was new. The line sucked, the play calling sucked. Giants can’t run the ball, the defense was getting gassed. I was at the Lions game, again the same pattern, the goofy play calling…the horrible offensive line…yada yada, same old. Sometimes Marshall makes me miss Cruz and Ruben Randle, lol.

I mean it sucks and I know there is nothing I can do about it, but I don’t want another boring 2013 year, fishing for our first win sometime in mid October and playing a bunch of nothing games in December. This just isn’t the way it was supposed to be.

2016 was a fun year but it really seems like the wheels have fallen off and we got.. this.

What am I looking at BBI? What the hell kind of team is this?

I hate to say it but I will be missing the Tampa Bay game, I will be IN CONTROL for Chowderfest on LBI, running the show.

never liked it, never liked how they ran Coughlin out for this cudchewing idiot. The warning signs of his limited intellect were there day one, with that ill-fitting suit - now he's got the Gordon Bombay haircut to match his stuck in 93 motif. I swear I'm baffled everytime I learn he's less than a decade older than me.

... maybe 3-13

but apparently, there is a way for this team to be 0-3