Crawling on the ground like a dog and then peeing! Then on 2nd TD he raises his fist. This not OK and I question his character and I'm no longer a fan of his. He hurts the team and the sport. With his spectacular ability as a football player his boorish behavior negates his appeal and greatness.
It was much better watching this team sans Odell score 3 points in Dallas.
Someday, maybe he will.
Celebrate all you want when you are up by 21.
No apologies after the game either, instead he doubles down by saying crap like "I'm trying to spark the team."
BS!
The TD sparks the team. The BS afterwards, when we are losing the game, does the opposite.
Just pissing on our season I guess...
OBJ is a mixed bag but surely his antics are a concern to ownership.
Oh I am sorry, did we win yesterday? Did we win last week? Did we win in GB in the playoffs?
Being an excitable player is fine, being selfish and immature on the field is not. He is not a kid!! This isn't about making a mistake. This is a guy who just doesn't care if he gets a penalty that hurts his team. That bothers me!
Facts are we can be 0-3 without him just as with him. He is not the difference between winning and losing. If you think he is, man, are you wrong!
It was much better watching this team sans Odell score 3 points in Dallas.
We are beginning to show just how much we don't really care about how our team appears or how it behaves. Just score TD's and it will be fine. It is a mentality though that shows through at times when you cannot have that.
Say what you will but I guarantee you that crap would not be tolerated on the Patriots!
Someday, maybe he will.
Celebrate all you want when you are up by 21.
No apologies after the game either, instead he doubles down by saying crap like "I'm trying to spark the team."
BS!
The TD sparks the team. The BS afterwards, when we are losing the game, does the opposite.
Just pissing on our season I guess...
umm.... after that 15-yd foul, the Eagles returned the KO to the 29 instead of having it at the 20 per usual... and fumbled on the next play. The penalty COULD have hurt the team... but considering we then proceeded to score another TD and tie the game 2 minutes later... and then Eli to Sheppard put us up 7 five minutes later... maybe i'm missing the negative influence this penalty had on the team. Maybe it was demoralizing to our defense which sucked late though? That of course makes absolutely no sense, but people will always find a narrative for their nonsense.
This is absurd!
Yes, OBJ is a clown and a perfect example of the "snowflake" generation, but by all accounts is a fine young man off the field and, so far, a model citizen.
LT is a despicable human being. Drug abuser, sex abuser, all around scum bag. And oh by the way, his low life transgressions cost him multiple games in suspension. So let's not say he did everything possible to help his team win.
Was the the greatest ever to play linebacker? Yes. Was he the greatest to ever play? Probably.
Ok.
And the fact that the penalty didn't end up hurting the team is a pathetic excuse. Odell had no way of knowing that when he decided mimicking a peeing dog was a good idea. He needs to grow up.
I hope he's a Giant for life, but I also want him to mature.
I don't understand why people get sooo upset with what he does after TDs.
All he needs to calm down a little,he gets too excited after scoring and does some silly things, that all.
He did not hit women or get suspended for doing drugs, he has good character.
Sure for a lot for fans he has at times acted like an idiot but then who knows there likley is a whole generation of fans that find that type of behaviour entertaining. Look how many players keep raising the bar with their antics. I never understood the attraction of professional wrestling but they have had a lot of fans over the years.
It's all entertainment and regardless of whether we fans individually like it or not I don't think any of his actions reflect in any way any limitations Odell has in his desire for greatness and winning.
You can't take dumb penalties but I expect that he will continue to push those limits and I'm not too sure I want the Giants to smother his personality too much. Get him to be smart about it but let him do his thing and create plays and score points for the NY Giants. That's today's NFL like it or not.
Seriously? There is a difference between what you do at a party,and what you do in front of 80,000 fans and a national TV audience. I don't know too many people who throw penalty flags at parties. Maybe I'm going to the wrong ones.
The lengths some fans will go to defend a player is absurd.
That guy is a piece of shit
That guy is a piece of shit
OBJ, not John Mara.
Classless human being playing for an organization that prides itself on class
"When I get in the end zone, I do what I do," Beckham said. "I'm going to try to spark this team. The consequences are going to be what they are."
Good lord. The energy expended getting bent out of shape about every little thing Odell Beckham does is so pathetic and sad.
Get over it or find a new team to root for. He's not going anywhere.
I don't understand why people get sooo upset with what he does after TDs.
All he needs to calm down a little,he gets too excited after scoring and does some silly things, that all.
He did not hit women or get suspended for doing drugs, he has good character.
That's a pretty low bar you've set there Jim. Yay, he didn't beat his GF! He did something after a score that he should have known would be penalized. He hurt the team unnecessarily. Why is it so hard for people to see that?
When you catch the ball or score a touchdown act like you have before.
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That guy is a piece of shit
OBJ, not John Mara.
Classless human being playing for an organization that prides itself on class
Really prided itself on class during that Josh Brown thing. Or how they willingly maintain ties with LT. Or with all the drunk drivers they've had around over the years.
OBJ is clearly the WOAT and tarnishes the classiness though...
Good lord. The energy expended getting bent out of shape about every little thing Odell Beckham does is so pathetic and sad.
Get over it or find a new team to root for. He's not going anywhere.
It isn't "every little thing". The fucking guy got another unsportsmanlike penalty yesterday in a game where, literally, every inch mattered.
To me it seems like more energy is spent by the same idiots that keep rationalizing for him.
He hasn't physically assaulted women! What a great guy!
He could have defecated on the field. Actually defecated and I wouldn't have cared.
It's pretty obvious that he's the heart of this team. As OBJ goes, so do the New York Giants.
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That guy is a piece of shit
OBJ, not John Mara.
Classless human being playing for an organization that prides itself on class
stop, please stop, class organization?
their best player ever is a rapist and drug addict!!
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in regards to not only his actions, but his lack of remorse in the post game interview.
That guy is a piece of shit
OBJ, not John Mara.
Classless human being playing for an organization that prides itself on class
Really prided itself on class during that Josh Brown thing. Or how they willingly maintain ties with LT. Or with all the drunk drivers they've had around over the years.
OBJ is clearly the WOAT and tarnishes the classiness though...
So then you go find another team, hahaha
But he did nothing wrong on the second one with raising his fist. that seems like you are just looking to bitch about him in this regard
And the results speak for themselves.
That being said, I look forward to the day he's signed to a 5 year contract.
Its allowed, everyone is entitled to how they feel.
Dont listen to these idiots
*there aren't any
That being said, I look forward to the day he's signed to a 5 year contract.
So am I, but I get the impression there's going to be like 10 of us here. The rest are going to be in full funeral attire.
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It's pretty obvious that he's the heart of this team. As OBJ goes, so do the New York Giants.
And the results speak for themselves.
What results? 0-1? We finally scored some pts with Odell back and the offense looked capable. He didn't play in the first 2 games(I'm not counting the game in which he had 10 snaps). We also went 11-5 last year with him as the only weapon. I think the results do speak for themselves and the results say that Odell is so damn important to this team.
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in regards to not only his actions, but his lack of remorse in the post game interview.
That guy is a piece of shit
OBJ, not John Mara.
Classless human being playing for an organization that prides itself on class
Really prided itself on class during that Josh Brown thing. Or how they willingly maintain ties with LT. Or with all the drunk drivers they've had around over the years.
OBJ is clearly the WOAT and tarnishes the classiness though...
So then you go find another team, hahaha
I don't need to. I don't subscribe to the classiness meme. I don't need the players on my team to be good people or likeable, with some exceptions.
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It's pretty obvious that he's the heart of this team. As OBJ goes, so do the New York Giants.
And the results speak for themselves.
Yeah, sure.
We wouldn't have went to the playoffs without the guy last year. Yes, we've been pretty crummy since he's been here but he singly handily kept the Giants in the playoff chase in 2015.
I understand the optics of it. I'm 28. So I guess I'm part of the "millennial" generation but there is no way I'm trading this dude. He's too valuable and you'll never get a good return on trading him either, IMO.
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Some of you are fucking exhausting.
Good lord. The energy expended getting bent out of shape about every little thing Odell Beckham does is so pathetic and sad.
Get over it or find a new team to root for. He's not going anywhere.
It isn't "every little thing". The fucking guy got another unsportsmanlike penalty yesterday in a game where, literally, every inch mattered.
To me it seems like more energy is spent by the same idiots that keep rationalizing for him.
He hasn't physically assaulted women! What a great guy!
How much time have you spent thinking about Beckham over the last few seasons?
Think long and hard about it and then ask yourself if it's worth it.
You've probably posted about him 10,000 times in the last 2-3 years alone.
It's weird.
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in regards to not only his actions, but his lack of remorse in the post game interview.
That guy is a piece of shit
OBJ, not John Mara.
Classless human being playing for an organization that prides itself on class
Really prided itself on class during that Josh Brown thing. Or how they willingly maintain ties with LT. Or with all the drunk drivers they've had around over the years.
OBJ is clearly the WOAT and tarnishes the classiness though...
So then you go find another team, hahaha
I don't need to. I don't subscribe to the classiness meme. I don't need the players on my team to be good people or likeable, with some exceptions.
Ok great, you be you and I'll be me.
It was much better watching this team sans Odell score 3 points in Dallas.
Raising his fist ... what did he mean?
I think it was support for the president. bahahahahaha
What does the raised fist mean? - ( New Window )
I love the TD's and appreciate his talent as much as anyone but everything else is garbage. he is selfish and immature and we actually get to witness how his act hurts the team (i.e, penalties).
and even worse, his act rubs off on the others... SS loves to celebrate despite that fact that we have nothing to celebrate. and even young EE decided his first NFL TD was the moment to act like an ass and get us a penalty.
Our star players act like idiots and guess what, the team plays like idiots... not a shock for anyone with an IQ above 50.
but hey, he catches TD's!!!
Well said
What's actually weird is rationalizing his behavior by telling us how he just needs to mature and hasn't committed any crimes.
But I'm not surprised when you're the guy doing it. I'd bet cash money that you own at least one Beckham jersey.
I put up with LT's coke use, I put up with Shockey's bullshit antics, I'll put up with Beckham's childish behavior.
It does suck.
I've got nothing against celebrating. I think most of the unsportsmanlike flags are umwarranted.
But Beckham is in a class all his own. He just set the low bar with that one.
Or is it possible that while some of us don't like the stupid celebrations, they don't let that discourage us from rooting on the best contributor we've had since Strahan, if not LT?
I really hate the stupid dances, to be honest - but anyone suggesting we should get rid of him for that needs their head examined.
I love the TD's and appreciate his talent as much as anyone but everything else is garbage. he is selfish and immature and we actually get to witness how his act hurts the team (i.e, penalties).
and even worse, his act rubs off on the others... SS loves to celebrate despite that fact that we have nothing to celebrate. and even young EE decided his first NFL TD was the moment to act like an ass and get us a penalty.
Our star players act like idiots and guess what, the team plays like idiots... not a shock for anyone with an IQ above 50.
but hey, he catches TD's!!!
It actually surprises me more than people over the age of 16 get this bent out of shape about a football player celebrating.
It's a game. Entertainment. If you take it so seriously that it's actually bothering you, perhaps you need to reconsider what's really important in your life.
What's actually weird is rationalizing his behavior by telling us how he just needs to mature and hasn't committed any crimes.
But I'm not surprised when you're the guy doing it. I'd bet cash money that you own at least one Beckham jersey.
You're a grown ass man who is obsessed with the behavior of a 24 year old athlete.
Think about that.
Every single time his name pops up on this site, you're there to complain. Why does he bother you so much? You should think about it and ask yourself if it's worth it.
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he was going to grow up.
Someday, maybe he will.
Celebrate all you want when you are up by 21.
No apologies after the game either, instead he doubles down by saying crap like "I'm trying to spark the team."
BS!
The TD sparks the team. The BS afterwards, when we are losing the game, does the opposite.
Just pissing on our season I guess...
umm.... after that 15-yd foul, the Eagles returned the KO to the 29 instead of having it at the 20 per usual... and fumbled on the next play. The penalty COULD have hurt the team... but considering we then proceeded to score another TD and tie the game 2 minutes later... and then Eli to Sheppard put us up 7 five minutes later... maybe i'm missing the negative influence this penalty had on the team. Maybe it was demoralizing to our defense which sucked late though? That of course makes absolutely no sense, but people will always find a narrative for their nonsense.
Did you miss the part where I said he told Mara he would grow up?
Narrative? Yeah, the narrative is OBJ is an immature diva, who has no common sense.
You enjoying the way he pissed all over our season, while losing, for no GD good reason?
Narrative my ass.
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Some of you are fucking exhausting.
Good lord. The energy expended getting bent out of shape about every little thing Odell Beckham does is so pathetic and sad.
Get over it or find a new team to root for. He's not going anywhere.
It isn't "every little thing". The fucking guy got another unsportsmanlike penalty yesterday in a game where, literally, every inch mattered.
To me it seems like more energy is spent by the same idiots that keep rationalizing for him.
He hasn't physically assaulted women! What a great guy!
How much time have you spent thinking about Beckham over the last few seasons?
Think long and hard about it and then ask yourself if it's worth it.
You've probably posted about him 10,000 times in the last 2-3 years alone.
It's weird.
WTF is wrong about what he posted there?
It's tiring, the OBJ bullshit antics. He's not stopping. He's continuing. From the dog lifting its leg "celebration" to the raised fist "celebration" to his antics on the sideline jawing with Philly fans (where his coach needed to grab him and ask him to please stop) and right down to him falling down like he's a professional soccer player ... lol ... we actually were cracking up at the DRAMA!!!!!!!
Not a goddamn thing wrong with GT's post. Many Giants fans love the kid's game but hate every other on-field bullshit LOOK AT ME show aspect. ENOUGH! Grow the fuck up Odell.
The NFL started changing for me years ago. My threshold for any sort of "outrage" over the game came and went a long time ago. I still love the Giants as I have always had. I watch all the games and root hard for the team but I keep it all in perspective. There are far more important thing in life to get worked up over than this. I don't get emotionally invested in any of the nonsense.
It was, uh, a little too 'ethnic'.
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Some of you are fucking exhausting.
Good lord. The energy expended getting bent out of shape about every little thing Odell Beckham does is so pathetic and sad.
Get over it or find a new team to root for. He's not going anywhere.
It isn't "every little thing". The fucking guy got another unsportsmanlike penalty yesterday in a game where, literally, every inch mattered.
To me it seems like more energy is spent by the same idiots that keep rationalizing for him.
He hasn't physically assaulted women! What a great guy!
How much time have you spent thinking about Beckham over the last few seasons?
Think long and hard about it and then ask yourself if it's worth it.
You've probably posted about him 10,000 times in the last 2-3 years alone.
It's weird.
WTF is wrong about what he posted there?
It's tiring, the OBJ bullshit antics. He's not stopping. He's continuing. From the dog lifting its leg "celebration" to the raised fist "celebration" to his antics on the sideline jawing with Philly fans (where his coach needed to grab him and ask him to please stop) and right down to him falling down like he's a professional soccer player ... lol ... we actually were cracking up at the DRAMA!!!!!!!
Not a goddamn thing wrong with GT's post. Many Giants fans love the kid's game but hate every other on-field bullshit LOOK AT ME show aspect. ENOUGH! Grow the fuck up Odell.
It's not about one particular post - it's the thousands and thousands of posts from grown men who are so fucking bent out of shape about an athlete's celebration choices.
I can't imagine letting something like this seriously bother me to the point where I complain about it on a daily basis.
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I would actually think people would prefer that. No penalty, nothing graphic about it. Pretty telling if you have a problem with that one.
It was, uh, a little too 'ethnic'.
Uh huh
I guess he values jackassery over social commentary.
He needs to call Ocho Cinco and get some original ideas.
What does it mean? Can you tell me?
Is it the original Black Panthers fist?
Is it solidarity with the prewsident, who jused the raised fist during his campaign?
How about a show of support for women's rights, as the raised fist appeared as a symbol for those marchers and protesters in DC.
How about anti-bullying support? At the Screen Actors Guild Awards, the cast of Stranger Things won "Outstanding Performance by an Ensemble in a Drama Series” and they all raised their fists!
Come to think of it, I could see OBJ being a Winona fan. lol
You are one of a handful of posters on this site who are so hyper-sensitive to Beckham criticism you pretty much monitor any mention of the guy and sarcastically defend him even when he may not be the individual being discussed.
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you should find an new team to root for, if you cant root for OBJ, try the Jets for a few seasons.
I don't understand why people get sooo upset with what he does after TDs.
All he needs to calm down a little,he gets too excited after scoring and does some silly things, that all.
He did not hit women or get suspended for doing drugs, he has good character.
That's a pretty low bar you've set there Jim. Yay, he didn't beat his GF! He did something after a score that he should have known would be penalized. He hurt the team unnecessarily. Why is it so hard for people to see that?
You missing the point.
How can you not root for the best offensive weapon this team has ever had?
Just because he has silly celebrations sometimes after he scores a huge TD.
I would like him to stop it , but how can you stop rooting for him ?
He knew it would draw a personal foul in a game we had to have. He knew it, and did it anyway. Every yard mattered yesterday and he just didn't care.
I am not outraged by anything - though I find some of the stuff immature and premature - but when these guys know that the NFL will penalize them they should be smart enough NOT to do it.
You are one of a handful of posters on this site who are so hyper-sensitive to Beckham criticism you pretty much monitor any mention of the guy and sarcastically defend him even when he may not be the individual being discussed.
Nothing he does bothers me, so yes - I am criticizing people for getting so worked up about stuff so trivial. I think it's ridiculous and silly.
You're another guy who can't stop complaining about every thing he does, though.. so this isn't going to go anywhere.
He is just an ass.
But the whole blaming him for everything else that's wrong with the team, calling for him to be traded every other day just because of his persona, etc.. oy. Enough.
But he did nothing wrong on the second one with raising his fist. that seems like you are just looking to bitch about him in this regard
Definitely agree, exactly WHAT is celebratory about that! And to top it off he hurt his team just like the rookie jerk last week grabbing his crotch, way to go boys!! And BTW you suck and you're 0-3!
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Some of you are fucking exhausting.
Good lord. The energy expended getting bent out of shape about every little thing Odell Beckham does is so pathetic and sad.
Get over it or find a new team to root for. He's not going anywhere.
It isn't "every little thing". The fucking guy got another unsportsmanlike penalty yesterday in a game where, literally, every inch mattered.
To me it seems like more energy is spent by the same idiots that keep rationalizing for him.
He hasn't physically assaulted women! What a great guy!
How much time have you spent thinking about Beckham over the last few seasons?
Think long and hard about it and then ask yourself if it's worth it.
You've probably posted about him 10,000 times in the last 2-3 years alone.
It's weird.
WTF is wrong about what he posted there?
It's tiring, the OBJ bullshit antics. He's not stopping. He's continuing. From the dog lifting its leg "celebration" to the raised fist "celebration" to his antics on the sideline jawing with Philly fans (where his coach needed to grab him and ask him to please stop) and right down to him falling down like he's a professional soccer player ... lol ... we actually were cracking up at the DRAMA!!!!!!!
Not a goddamn thing wrong with GT's post. Many Giants fans love the kid's game but hate every other on-field bullshit LOOK AT ME show aspect. ENOUGH! Grow the fuck up Odell.
Well said Beez
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Crawling on the ground like a dog and then peeing! Then on 2nd TD he raises his fist. This not OK and I question his character and I'm no longer a fan of his. He hurts the team and the sport. With his spectacular ability as a football player his boorish behavior negates his appeal and greatness.
The Coach should have nipped that inn the bud before the season started or at the very least when Engram did it .
Most coaches would cover that early on . Fine them do
something bench them I don't care it's a team game no
matter how good you are .
It's the MeMe generation and it stinks
But if you are going to purposely cost your team 15 yards knowingly I have to draw the line there. That is despicable and inexcusable.
That said there isn't much we can do about it. He's still our best player.
But the whole blaming him for everything else that's wrong with the team, calling for him to be traded every other day just because of his persona, etc.. oy. Enough.
I'm reminded of the Toronto-Yankees game yesterday. "Joey Bats", world-class bat flipper/agitator/ump complainer, was given at least 4 standing ovations by the fans as he played his final home game in a Blue Jay uniform. Did those people care more about that other stuff or about his production and being one of the 3-4 best players in franchise history? It's about production. And as much as certain people complain about Odell, I think it's quite obvious that those people are in the minority. Everyone else cares about production.
Odell - 45 career games - 37 Touchdowns
Julio Jones - 82 career games - 40 Touchdowns
I'm not sharing that stat to say Odell is better than Julio. I'm sharing to show that when a player is THIS productive (historically productive), many fans will put up with stuff they wouldn't put up with from someone else. That's life/sports.
The ONLY current Giant that I'd be rooting for if they left is Eli.
But in the rankings of what plagues this Giants team things in the way of Giants success, Beckham's antics do not even register as "also receiving votes."
I never thought I would see the day where this team would become one of those organizations like the old Bengals that's built around one star WR that can make all the flashy plays and do the dances but the team overall sucks but the fans love it. Well here we are
Never had a hard time rooting for him, until he was fed up with the playcalling and wanted out, and started making problems for Eli and Coughlin.
QFT
Apparently OBJ is the leader who sets the culture of the team.
This seemed odd to me, as the franchise QB has been here for over 10 years, we've got a franchise player on D who's been here almost that long, and we have a head coach.
In addition to catching TDs, OBJ's skill is apparently the Jedi mind trick.
We have a president who is taunting the players and calling their mothers 'SOB's'....
Yet people are so highly offended by Beckham? Its a misdemeanor in a world of major felonies being ignored.....
BTW. Why does one get the sense the Beckham critics by in large have no issues with the president's statements or league ownership, or at the very least are not nearly as bothered?
We have a president who is taunting the players and calling their mothers 'SOB's'....
Yet people are so highly offended by Beckham? Its a misdemeanor in a world of major felonies being ignored.....
BTW. Why does one get the sense the Beckham critics by in large have no issues with the president's statements or league ownership, or at the very least are not nearly as bothered?
Are we really gonna go there?
Am I the only person who watches sports to escape from all the BS and bad stuff that goes on in the world??? It's impossible to get away from it now. There is no escape.
The fault lies with the front office going back a few years. There's a culture of stupidity on this team that has not been corrected.
Beckham is an enormously selfish and self centered asshole, but he's a symptom. Not the problem.
Reality is that while Odell might rub people the wrong way, he's an insane football player that makes us significantly better. Hopefully he can stop with the penalties at some point.
The fault lies with the front office going back a few years. There's a culture of stupidity on this team that has not been corrected.
Beckham is an enormously selfish and self centered asshole, but he's a symptom. Not the problem.
Well, for years we kept drafting guys who were captains of their teams and supposedly good leaders on the field. That doesn't seem to have solved anything, either.
We have a president who is taunting the players and calling their mothers 'SOB's'....
Yet people are so highly offended by Beckham? Its a misdemeanor in a world of major felonies being ignored.....
BTW. Why does one get the sense the Beckham critics by in large have no issues with the president's statements or league ownership, or at the very least are not nearly as bothered?
You should be ban for trying to turn this political its why we cant have discussion on here because of this shit.
So LT, a well documented POS off the field, is easier to like than the guy who visits kids with cancer, is well loved by teammates, and is literally off to the best start of a career for any WR ever?
Stupid penalty? Yes. Would this team be even watchable without him? No.
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In fact, I wouldn't say any of it is his fault. He's an asshole...it's not like that fact would have been a surprise to anyone involved with the Giants.
The fault lies with the front office going back a few years. There's a culture of stupidity on this team that has not been corrected.
Beckham is an enormously selfish and self centered asshole, but he's a symptom. Not the problem.
Well, for years we kept drafting guys who were captains of their teams and supposedly good leaders on the field. That doesn't seem to have solved anything, either.
It certainly hasn't.
Eli Manning got summoned for underage drinking while in college. We all know about Peyton's issue at Tennessee. Is it safe to say they were never disciplined growing up? I'd avoid blanket statements like the one you made.
I would imagine the list of successful NFL teams that were as bad at running the ball as this one is, probably does not exist or is miniscule. That's not really a culture issue. That's a talent/talent evaluation/coaching issue.
Antonio Brown is much like Beckham in terms of the dancing, antics, etc... but you never hear people say the Steelers have a culture issue. Why? Because they haven't had a losing season in like 15 years.
Was not a great move and he has his warts but for god's sakes.
I would imagine the list of successful NFL teams that were as bad at running the ball as this one is, probably does not exist or is miniscule. That's not really a culture issue. That's a talent/talent evaluation/coaching issue.
Antonio Brown is much like Beckham in terms of the dancing, antics, etc... but you never hear people say the Steelers have a culture issue. Why? Because they haven't had a losing season in like 15 years.
Nailed it. AB is a great comparison. He's done some boneheaded things as well, taking a few bad penalties, been a bit of a distraction. Why doesn't it effect them? Why isn't he blamed for every loss or blamed for Bryant getting suspended? Because they have a better team, it's that simple. Put that line, Bell and Ben on this team and people aren't whining about OBJ.
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Or else was never disciplined growing up.
Eli Manning got summoned for underage drinking while in college. We all know about Peyton's issue at Tennessee. Is it safe to say they were never disciplined growing up? I'd avoid blanket statements like the one you made.
I am willing to bet that you write a summons for underage drinking on 95% of all underage students at a college.
I would be fine if they traded him in the off-season for some picks.
I remember all of those 90's seasons watching players like Rice, Irvin, Rison, Sterling Sharpe, Cris Carter and Randy Moss just destroy teams with their play. I wished we had a player like that on the Giants instead of trotting out Chris Calloway and Thomas Lewis. Well now we do, but the vibe from many fans is they would rather field those classy 90's wideouts then a once in a generation diva WR. I don't know, I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just can't imagine having fun watching football if celebrations from star players riled me up.
I am willing to bet that you write a summons for underage drinking on 95% of all underage students at a college.
I didn't get one. But that's not really the point. I'd avoid saying that someone who does dumb shit on a football field is the result of not being disciplined growing up (which sounds like a euphemism for poor parenting) when we don't say that about others who did dumb shit off the field.
I remember all of those 90's seasons watching players like Rice, Irvin, Rison, Sterling Sharpe, Cris Carter and Randy Moss just destroy teams with their play. I wished we had a player like that on the Giants instead of trotting out Chris Calloway and Thomas Lewis. Well now we do, but the vibe from many fans is they would rather field those classy 90's wideouts then a once in a generation diva WR. I don't know, I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just can't imagine having fun watching football if celebrations from star players riled me up.
He can enjoy all he wants, but not when you hurt the team with your selfish behavior. Not smart football.
For someone who carries his team offensively, he gets treated by fans as if the opposite were true. It's remarkable.
Maybe YOU judge him by what he does on a football field, but I'd expect that most people who meet him in person would judge him more than by just his touchdown celebrations.
How is he a diva? His teammates all love him, he plays hard, he is competitive as all hell and he practices and plays hard. He doesn't bitch about not getting the ball and he doesn't point the finger at teammates.
He's tempermental, a little nuts and a showman, but a diva? Nah. He's not like TO, Dez or Keyshawn or Brandon Marshall.
OBJ's "crazy stuff" is nothing at all like LT's.
Do you know how hard it can be to score in this league? Or how much effort and determination it takes to be the best at your respective sport? God forbid people show emotion when making a great play. Everyone should be Barry Sanders!!!!
And whats with people getting upset at the fist in the air? Multiple athletes do this now during the anthem. Last I checked we live in a country where one is certainly free to express themselves.
Got that picture in your mind?
Now remove the guy's helmet.
It was Roger Lewis.
You're telling the rest of us pulling those stunts wouldn't bother you and you wouldn't have a hard time rooting for Roger Lewis?
Point is, it's ok for folks to say this stuff irks them and that OBJ makes it tough to pull for him. It's completely reasonable to think that way. And it's just as reasonable for you to ADMIT the only reason you're saying this stuff doesn't bother you is because it's being done by the best player on our team and one of the best players in the league. But on some level, you've got to find this stuff problematic.
Yeah, so go over to your teammates, celebrate and thank them.
It's always the rest of the team chasing after these selfish players when it comes time to celebrate.
Why does the NFL, the most TEAM sport there is, have such an issue with this?
You don't really see it in other sports.
Sure we defend Beckham more because he is our best player. So what? The guy brings entertainment to my team on Sundays. For me, football is not serious enough to care if these guys are "classy" or not. Let them be themselves, they play an extremely dangerous game for a living.
The title of your post kills it dead in the water before I can bother to read it - who is supporting his antics?
Did you read anywhere that someone said 'Yes, I enjoyed the dog urinal dance'?
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Do you know how hard it can be to score in this league? Or how much effort and determination it takes to be the best at your respective sport? God forbid people show emotion when making a great play. Everyone should be Barry Sanders!!!!
And whats with people getting upset at the fist in the air? Multiple athletes do this now during the anthem. Last I checked we live in a country where one is certainly free to express themselves.
Acting like you have been there before doesn't mean you have to show zero emotions, but rather not carry on like a 13 year old who doesn't really know what to do but is trying to do something "outrageous".
Look in both my previous posts in this thread I defended Odell. On a personal level I don't care for the behavior because it's just plain stupid, but I believe he feeds of his emotions and I don't want anyone taking that away from him. He does need to be smart enough to not cross the line to where the team gets penalized. No excuse for that, and if he is all about winning as he says he is (and I believe him) he shouldn't ever want to get penalized for needless nonsense.
I'm really talking to the people who want to get rid of the guy because he is an "asshole" or "there's something mentally wrong with him".
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The title of your post kills it dead in the water before I can bother to read it - who is supporting his antics?
Did you read anywhere that someone said 'Yes, I enjoyed the dog urinal dance'?
@jcn then what the hell are you claiming this thread is about? There are several posts where folks ask why they are being told they either have to love or hate Odell. You have folks saying he can do whatever he wants and they'll support him and what he does (hence the title of my post). You have others who say they will support him but that his stunts make it hard to do so. Probably others who are done with the guy. My point was to anyone who says is has to be black or white, there's no reason it has to be that way. That there's nothing wrong with admitting his stunts are over the top and harmful to the team but yet still supporting him. But to tell fans stuff like
I'm really talking to the people who want to get rid of the guy because he is an "asshole" or "there's something mentally wrong with him".
Yeah, I don't get where the "trade him" crowd is coming from.
As I mentioned earlier in thread. The NFL and it's stars is a different game than it used to be. These guys are their own brands and mini-corporations, and it is very much about entertainment, recognition as well as the team winning. It's a lot of them, not just Odell.
Not what I would prefer but there are far more important thing in life for me to ever get upset over than this.
Let mcadoo do it and be the coach. I think he should be the good cop here.
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You mean the same John Mara that let Josh Brown stay on the team until it became publicly untenable? I think Mara/Tisch and a lot of these NFL owners are more performance focused than you guys think.
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The title of your post kills it dead in the water before I can bother to read it - who is supporting his antics?
Did you read anywhere that someone said 'Yes, I enjoyed the dog urinal dance'?
@jcn then what the hell are you claiming this thread is about? There are several posts where folks ask why they are being told they either have to love or hate Odell. You have folks saying he can do whatever he wants and they'll support him and what he does (hence the title of my post). You have others who say they will support him but that his stunts make it hard to do so. Probably others who are done with the guy. My point was to anyone who says is has to be black or white, there's no reason it has to be that way. That there's nothing wrong with admitting his stunts are over the top and harmful to the team but yet still supporting him. But to tell fans stuff like
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"If you have a hard time rooting for OBJ, go find another sport to root for."
is beyond ridiculous.
It's real simple - nobody is supporting his antics, they're supporting his play. They take the good with the bad.
If you have a hard time seeing past literally seconds of stupid 'look at me' behavior from an immature player, and can't understand that the guy is the best thing you have going on the field, and the only reason your offense is capable of doing anything when it can, then I don't know what to tell you.
Winning? This team has done nothing but lose since he's been here.
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So you don’t like touchdowns? Or winning?
Winning? This team has done nothing but lose since he's been here.
That is something that is overlooked by many. The team with Beckham has been, by and large, pretty shitty.
There are many teams in the NFL that don't have Beckham and manage to be pretty good. Thinking that we couldn't possibly build this into a good team without Beckham's involvement is, like Beckham himself, quite stupid.
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The title of your post kills it dead in the water before I can bother to read it - who is supporting his antics?
Did you read anywhere that someone said 'Yes, I enjoyed the dog urinal dance'?
@jcn then what the hell are you claiming this thread is about? There are several posts where folks ask why they are being told they either have to love or hate Odell. You have folks saying he can do whatever he wants and they'll support him and what he does (hence the title of my post). You have others who say they will support him but that his stunts make it hard to do so. Probably others who are done with the guy. My point was to anyone who says is has to be black or white, there's no reason it has to be that way. That there's nothing wrong with admitting his stunts are over the top and harmful to the team but yet still supporting him. But to tell fans stuff like
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"If you have a hard time rooting for OBJ, go find another sport to root for."
is beyond ridiculous.
It's real simple - nobody is supporting his antics, they're supporting his play. They take the good with the bad.
If you have a hard time seeing past literally seconds of stupid 'look at me' behavior from an immature player, and can't understand that the guy is the best thing you have going on the field, and the only reason your offense is capable of doing anything when it can, then I don't know what to tell you.
That's just about exactly the point of my post, which wasn't directed to those who the bad with the good, but to those who are telling folks who are taking issue with his antics that they are in the wrong.
I love what Beckham can do on the field as much as anyone. But there are reasons why T.O. never won a championship. And let's not forget, Owens did not begin his career as a douchebag, me-first locker room divider; he grew into that role because neither his teammates, coaches nor organization stopped him. This is what we're watching right now, and it disgusts me.
Or what? The guy is a free agent in 13 games.
Above all, I love how being 6-10 for two years.. then a playoff 11-5 season (which apparently doesn't count - OBJ drives the losing here)... and this season where OBJ has really only played 1 of 3 games so far .... is OBJ's fault. Never mind this OL and running game. Or Eli being as his own GM put it "on the back nine of his career" or "sloppy QB play" (his own head coach)... or last in rush defense this year... or worst defense in league by any statistic two years ago... forget all that - OBJ's attitude is what's causing us to lose.
As Go Terps said, we should cut the best player and go build a winner without him. Cowboys should do the same with Elliott by the way, of course. And as long as Reese gets to stay to do just that -- what could go wrong (?)
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tell him he embarrassed me and himself.You are disrespecting the entire organization. That stuff is over from this point forward don't try me .
Or what? The guy is a free agent in 13 games.
Above all, I love how being 6-10 for two years.. then a playoff 11-5 season (which apparently doesn't count - OBJ drives the losing here)... and this season where OBJ has really only played 1 of 3 games so far .... is OBJ's fault. Never mind this OL and running game. Or Eli being as his own GM put it "on the back nine of his career" or "sloppy QB play" (his own head coach)... or last in rush defense this year... or worst defense in league by any statistic two years ago... forget all that - OBJ's attitude is what's causing us to lose.
As Go Terps said, we should cut the best player and go build a winner without him. Cowboys should do the same with Elliott by the way, of course. And as long as Reese gets to stay to do just that -- what could go wrong (?)
I said to cut him? When?
Quit watching sports and stick to your Donna Reed safe space.
Marshawn Lynch used to grab his balls and mock the opposing defense while jumping into the endzone.
Quit watching sports and stick to your Donna Reed safe space.
I agree that it's not a mental disorder. The guy is just a fucking asshole.
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pretend to poop in the end zone during the Superbowl a couple years ago? Players do shit like this, it isn't just Beckham. I don't remember near as many people griping about that moment. Yet in the case of Beckham, people are questioning his mental capacity. Smh.
Marshawn Lynch used to grab his balls and mock the opposing defense while jumping into the endzone.
You guys are conveniently missing the fact that those players did those things because of Beckham, somehow.
Quit watching sports and stick to your Donna Reed safe space.
Who?
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for crazy or normal. He is a star receiver, an immediate worldwide brand at a very young age, and a diva like so many others. It's not a fucking mental disorder.
Quit watching sports and stick to your Donna Reed safe space.
I agree that it's not a mental disorder. The guy is just a fucking asshole.
Low bar for asshole as well? He is a young athlete who craves attention and hasn't yet gained the ability to think ahead whether what he is about to do will penalize his team.
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for crazy or normal. He is a star receiver, an immediate worldwide brand at a very young age, and a diva like so many others. It's not a fucking mental disorder.
Quit watching sports and stick to your Donna Reed safe space.
Who?
You.
I agree that it's not a mental disorder. The guy is just a fucking asshole.
But what's wrong with that? Heck, you don't know anything about any of these people and don't think you do just because you see them 3 hours a week on a football field or 3 hours a day on a baseball diamond. It's possible, but unlikely, that they're all assholes. Did you know Josh Brown was beating his wife? Did you ever think "team leader/good guy" Antonio Pierce would be the guy out with Plax the night he shot himself in the leg? Do you think that was the first time David Diehl drove drunk when he hit those parked cars? Half of the team might be smoking a blunt tonight. I feel uncomfortable comparing Odell's on-field behavior to guys who actually put other people's safety in jeopardy.
I like you as a commenter, but I wonder what is it that you want to get out of sports? Me, I want my teams to win and I want to see good games. I don't need to root for "good guys". I don't assume all of these players are "good guys". I don't really think it's integral for winning that everyone be a "good guy". I think it's integral that people produce. Bill Belichick is perhaps the greatest winner in the history of the sport... do we need to list the number of scumbags he's had on his teams?
If we're talking about low bars, it seems like you're setting a low bar for acting like a pro.
This is his fourth season in the NFL. The NFL is full of young athletes (younger than Beckham) that crave attention that, somehow, manage not to incur personal fouls while embarrassing themselves and their teams. College football is also full of players that manage not to embarrass themselves.
As a matter of fact I can probably go to a high school game anywhere in America and see a kid score a touchdown and, somehow, have the self-control to not make an idiot out of himself.
I must say, of the dozens of Beckham rationalizations I've seen on this board, "hasn't yet gained the ability to think ahead whether what he is about to do will penalize his team" is the most creative.
We know a majority of fans are willing to do that.
I must say, of the dozens of Beckham rationalizations I've seen on this board, "hasn't yet gained the ability to think ahead whether what he is about to do will penalize his team" is the most creative.
It's not me being creative and it isn't anything odd for large chunks of the population. He does dumb things and doesn't think beforehand. We have so many people in this world who have been on this rock much, much longer than Beckham who still haven't found a way to think before they speak and act.
A real asshole knows he is about to get penalized and doesn't care because fuck his team. It's up to you to decide whether you think he feels that way about his mates.
We know a majority of fans are willing to do that.
I said it earlier: Beckham is an asshole and we all know this. The blame for it lies with Mara, Tisch, Reese, and Coughlin. The time to reel in this idiot has come and gone.
Coughlin had the reputation for being a hardass but he was always full of shit on that front: Plax and Shockey were allowed to do basically whatever they wanted until they were removed from the picture by exterior circumstances. Coughlin didn't do shit about Beckham either, and when he failed to do anything about his superiors should have stepped in. They haven't.
It's a shame because Beckham's talent is undeniable, but I don't think it's going to work out for him with the Giants in the long term. He needed to smacked upside his head a while ago. Too late for that now.
What Beckham does is childish nonsense that you people psychoanalyze as if it's an indicator that he's gonna be found slinging cocaine and shooting people someday.
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for crazy or normal. He is a star receiver, an immediate worldwide brand at a very young age, and a diva like so many others. It's not a fucking mental disorder.
Quit watching sports and stick to your Donna Reed safe space.
I agree that it's not a mental disorder. The guy is just a fucking asshole.
Low bar for asshole as well? He is a young athlete who craves attention and hasn't yet gained the ability to think ahead whether what he is about to do will penalize his team.
The guy is going to be 25 in November. He is not some 19 year old dumbass kid. He is a 25 year old dumb ass and a narcissist to boot.
Right now the Giants are a better team with him. But if I am the Giants...I am thinking long and hard whether his value is greater as a Giant with a long term extension ...or by trading him.
What Beckham does is childish nonsense that you people psychoanalyze as if it's an indicator that he's gonna be found slinging cocaine and shooting people someday.
The risk with OBJ is injury and degradation of his skillset which is based on his quickness. WR's are one hit away from being done. It is likely that you are seeing OBJ at his best right now.
See Nicks (no contract) and Cruz for examples of how injuries can quickly derail a promising career.
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on. There are players in the NFL who can't stay away from cops or drugs. Who was the last actually bad person who played for this team that we knew about?
What Beckham does is childish nonsense that you people psychoanalyze as if it's an indicator that he's gonna be found slinging cocaine and shooting people someday.
The risk with OBJ is injury and degradation of his skillset which is based on his quickness. WR's are one hit away from being done. It is likely that you are seeing OBJ at his best right now.
See Nicks (no contract) and Cruz for examples of how injuries can quickly derail a promising career.
That's a legitimate conversation though. I thought we were outraging over sophomoric behavior.
If you got a 1st and a 3rd you'd probably have done well. And let's face it - what 1st and 3rd would do anything to return what Odell can provide for this team?
But you're going to sell at a loss since there's nothing you can get back for him that would be considered fair value. I'd want at least two 25/under proven starter offensive linemen as the starting point for any deal, and those types of trades don't happen in this league.
If you got a 1st and a 3rd you'd probably have done well. And let's face it - what 1st and 3rd would do anything to return what Odell can provide for this team?
With a draft heavy in blue chip QBs coming up, the value of a 1st rounder may be higher than it usually would be.
And the reason is not because he was probably our best offensive player yesterday or because he was the reason why we even had a chance to win the game.
Crazy.
If you got a 1st and a 3rd you'd probably have done well. And let's face it - what 1st and 3rd would do anything to return what Odell can provide for this team?
If you are of the belief that OBJ is a long term risk due to either declining performance or major brain farts and want to be rid of him you take what you can get and move on.
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He's going to be a FA soon, he's got practically diddly in terms of trade value.
If you got a 1st and a 3rd you'd probably have done well. And let's face it - what 1st and 3rd would do anything to return what Odell can provide for this team?
If you are of the belief that OBJ is a long term risk due to either declining performance or major brain farts and want to be rid of him you take what you can get and move on.
Yes, naturally, to join that long list of teams who have traded young, generational talents.
Declining performance? On what grounds? You mentioned injury and brain farts. Well, injury is a concern for every player, so that's at least somewhat valid. At what point do we address that the guys handful of personal fouls doesn't come close to offsetting his performance on the field?
And the reason is not because he was probably our best offensive player yesterday or because he was the reason why we even had a chance to win the game.
Crazy.
It is crazy. He should be basking in the afterglow of a nice performance. Instead he faces criticism about a self inflicted brain fart (or start of Twitter war with the Trumpster). Double edged sword with OBJ.
And the reason is not because he was probably our best offensive player yesterday or because he was the reason why we even had a chance to win the game.
Crazy.
It makes all the sense in the world. He's the most important player on the team. The direction this team takes over the next few years is likely going to be tied more closely to him than it will be to any other player.
I love what Beckham can do on the field as much as anyone. But there are reasons why T.O. never won a championship. And let's not forget, Owens did not begin his career as a douchebag, me-first locker room divider; he grew into that role because neither his teammates, coaches nor organization stopped him. This is what we're watching right now, and it disgusts me.
Bingo!
And nobody every tried stopping OBJ either including coach Coughlin.
OBJ is in charge of this franchise and will cost many people jobs and will never win a championship with his attitude.
What Beckham does is childish nonsense that you people psychoanalyze as if it's an indicator that he's gonna be found slinging cocaine and shooting people someday.
John Jerry was a guy we signed despite knowing he's a douche.
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I've argued with people on this board who've said that, even as recently as a couple of months ago, but yesterday he did what to me is just unforgivable. His team is 0-2, down two touchdowns on the road in Philly in the fourth quarter, and he does that in the endzone. He's obviously decided that winning games is not quite as much of a priority as promoting his brand. Fuck him. That's no Giant.
I love what Beckham can do on the field as much as anyone. But there are reasons why T.O. never won a championship. And let's not forget, Owens did not begin his career as a douchebag, me-first locker room divider; he grew into that role because neither his teammates, coaches nor organization stopped him. This is what we're watching right now, and it disgusts me.
Bingo!
And nobody every tried stopping OBJ either including coach Coughlin.
OBJ is in charge of this franchise and will cost many people jobs and will never win a championship with his attitude.
It's not the attitude...it's the funneling of limited resources to one player. It's OK now and next year (8M), but do you commit 80M to a ANY WR long term.
...just remember that TO basically came back after a bad injury, rushed to the field, and carried those filthy green fucks almost singlehandedly to the finish line in the Super Bowl. If not for McNabb and his case of the Chunkies those assholes have one in the case and it's thanks to Owens.
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on. There are players in the NFL who can't stay away from cops or drugs. Who was the last actually bad person who played for this team that we knew about?
What Beckham does is childish nonsense that you people psychoanalyze as if it's an indicator that he's gonna be found slinging cocaine and shooting people someday.
John Jerry was a guy we signed despite knowing he's a douche.
Let's not blur the line between douche and bad guy. Plenty of teams, as in life, have a douche in the locker room.
I'm talking about legitimately bad people to have around your franchise, like Greg Hardy, or any of the other all-jail NFL players over the years who had to carry around a rape charge or a history of DWIs, etc. Mostly Cowboys.
Not to pile on a dead horse, but the legend the franchise identifies with used to go mad dog crazy on cocaine and send hookers to the opposing team hotel to try to tire them out before games. It's 2017 and people can't deal with a knucklehead romping around the endzone making himself look stupid.
There is no good comparison for OBJ. He is unique.
he is the star WR on the team so naturally the younger guys like Shephard and Engram are going to look up to and emulate him in some respects. this is not rocket science.
so when he acts like a jerk over and over - and gets away with it - it should be no surprise we some of the same shit from his mates.
for what it's worth, the actual "celebration" that bothered me the most on Sunday was SS's celebration on his 1st non TD. we had scored exactly 1 TD prior to this this season, were 0-2 and had at best tied the game after much futility (if I am remembering it right)... yet SS poses and acts like a douche. I find that more annoying than any crass dog peeing 'celebration'.
though only the latter gets you a penalty.
If you read the "Beckham v. Julio Jones" thread, it's like all of BBI's worst football posters decided to get together and have the worst football discussion in the history of this board. All that's missing is George Wendt and Chris Farley.
If you read the "Beckham v. Julio Jones" thread, it's like all of BBI's worst football posters decided to get together and have the worst football discussion in the history of this board. All that's missing is George Wendt and Chris Farley.
Shouldn't someone that is always complaining about OBJ having no class, have more class? You are classless.
Inside the lines he's absolutely crazy. Can't control himself for ten seconds. An idiot. An ass-hole.
Outside the lines, on-the-air, interviews, talking to the media, visiting sick children...just fine.