Listening to bbk live. A caller called up and asked jeff feagles his take on the wing punt he had an interesting take yet pretty obvious to anyone who's been watching wing the last couple years. Feagles said that wings bread and butter is the end over end punt the Aussie punt as feagles called it. He said wing is not a directional punter never was and never will be. He suspects that wing was asked to boot the ball out of bounds which feagles said was a mistake. He should have been asked to shorten the punt and get more hangtime on it. Kick the ball 40 yards as opposed to 50 with more hangtime. Force philly to fair catch the ball. He said that asking wing to kick it out of bounds is not part of his game it's like asking Eli to qb sneak and being surprised when he comes up short. Thought I'd share the information.
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Kick the ball out of bounds we need a different punter
I dont think thats fair. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses. This is a reason (one of many at this point) many are calling for McAdoofus' head - that he isn't adjusting to the strengths of the team and living and dying by his own system. This take by Feagles is correct and had Wing botched his Aussie kick ... well then we could say he didn't execute his bread and butter .. but a 35 yard moon ball/fair catch would have done the job there
...but who cares?
Brad Wing choked.
No way else you can frame his punt at the very worst moment in the game.
That's a big time choke right there.
do you ask him to bunt?
do you ask him to bunt?
Terrible analogy
If it isn't your strength and your asked to do something you don't have total confidence in then you have a higher risk of failure. Think about it. How many punts has wing had that intentionally were kicked out of bounds? Not many. He's got a big leg he isn't a coffin corner guy
Even though Ben is the HC and the blame should be shared with Quinn and Wing. It was a botched punt - at the worst time.
There’s more than enough to go around for the loss in Philly. But it would be interesting to know if there’s anything to Feagles speculation as it would give some insight to the coaches.
Bing
And if directional kicking is his weakness - which I don't believe - he needs to practice it so in situations like this he can succeed.
Wing had a good second half of the season last year, but if I remember correctly he struggled the first half and had quite a few bad kicks that were both low and short......so it's not like he's money to simply boom a high 40 yarder for a fair catch.
Are you replying to me? I would say that Quinn absolutely should share in the blame. Ultimately, the buck stops with Ben and he needs to own any coaching deficiencies. But he can't be everywhere at practice watching every player. Quinn at some point had observed Wing in punting a ball out of bounds and must have felt confident enough with Wing's ability to relay that confidence to Ben. Whether it was Ben or Quinn's call, it ultimately comes down to execution.
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end of a game? I don't know if I can believe that.
Are you replying to me? I would say that Quinn absolutely should share in the blame. Ultimately, the buck stops with Ben and he needs to own any coaching deficiencies. But he can't be everywhere at practice watching every player. Quinn at some point had observed Wing in punting a ball out of bounds and must have felt confident enough with Wing's ability to relay that confidence to Ben. Whether it was Ben or Quinn's call, it ultimately comes down to execution.
I wasn't, but this is a classic case of confusing responsibility and accountability.
McAdoo is accountable - at the end of the day, everything that transpires on the field is his.
Here, Wing and Quinn were responsible - Quinn for not putting his guy in position to win by asking him to do something he's likely not capable of or good at, and Wing for not being able to pull it off.
It's Matt Dodge redux.
Why ask him to do something he's not good at in a high-leverage situation?
Can you believe Tom Quinn has great hair
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end of a game? I don't know if I can believe that.
Can you believe Tom Quinn has great hair
Would you expect any less from Steve Tisch's wingman?
An offense that cant move the ball.
A special teams unit that has already given up a return TD.
And you don't expect to have to kick the ball out of bounds at least once in a big spot to win the game or keep it alive?
Has anyone watched a Giants vs eagles game before?
This is bad coaching if you go into this moment with a kicker that can't do it.
No excuses, he shanked the kick
A little longer would have been nice, but with the time remaining the defense can't give up that sideline completion in double coverage no less.
do you ask him to bunt?
No, but I do have my pitcher throw at him to get him to move his feet. Ortiz was never on my team.
It sounds silly considering all these guys do their whole lives is practice kicking the football but if you think about it how many punters in the NFL do the coffin corner punts like Feagles used to do.
Somewhat amazing it was even that close of a game based on the laundry list of things that should not have happened....
An offense that cant move the ball.
A special teams unit that has already given up a return TD.
And you don't expect to have to kick the ball out of bounds at least once in a big spot to win the game or keep it alive?
Has anyone watched a Giants vs eagles game before?
This is bad coaching if you go into this moment with a kicker that can't do it.
No excuses, he shanked the kick
It's bad coaching? I didn't see a punting competition in camp. So what was the alternative? That's a personnel problem.
Even with a directional kicker, you always run the risk of the ball being out of bounds short. Considering every second counts there, and every yard too - why would you choose to kick OOB when there's not some huge threat for a big return back deep for Philly?
They were probably still thinking about the return TD they gave up a week before.
Well, the reason everyone wanted them dead after #1 was, well, Desean Jackson. That's an actual risk you're taking, so kicking it out of bounds makes sense.
With Sproles out of the game, that's basically playing scared, and it handed them a short field and a few extra seconds, which we know now is all they needed (along with a bogus PI penalty and some help with the clock).
Let's not forget that this team just gave up a punt return for a TD last week as well. It was a safe decision that, even given the worst possible outcome, simply tasked the defense with not making a monumentally poor play and required ridiculous heroics by the Eagles' kicker. It may not be his strength like it as Feagles', but I don't have a problem with it and I have to assume it's something he has demonstrated at least moderate proficiency with in practice and in prior games.
Even though Ben is the HC and the blame should be shared with Quinn and Wing. It was a botched punt - at the worst time.
Quinn can't make his STs better no matter who he uses. For years now. My confidence in him schooling Wing is low. That said, Wing botched it.
Why would we sign a punter who could not do that? High school kids can do it