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This defense has taken a HUGE step back

GiantsRage2007 : 10/1/2017 7:33 pm
The tackling is horrible. No pass rush. Apple is lost. Free Safety is mia.

0-4

Might get a lot worse.
3-13 or  
magnum4413 : 10/1/2017 7:34 pm : link
4-12 looks very likely based on the schedule. At best they will 2-5 at the bye, more likely 1-6.

but but,i was told spags  
sundayatone : 10/1/2017 7:35 pm : link
will fix it
Well, then, we might be in a position to draft a top QB  
johnnyb : 10/1/2017 7:35 pm : link
.
Spags is responsible for that as well  
Rflairr : 10/1/2017 7:38 pm : link
Sitting back like a damn fool
You could say that again!  
DavidinBMNY : 10/1/2017 7:39 pm : link
WTF is JPP?

Or Snacks?

Watch those checks cash boys!
This defense  
rocco8112 : 10/1/2017 7:39 pm : link
sucks.
I've said it over and over...Spags is overated.  
Matt M. : 10/1/2017 7:40 pm : link
His defenses are not very good when he doesn't have a dominant DL. This year the DL is average, so the D is suspect.
It's like JPP isn't being coached.  
Matt M. : 10/1/2017 7:41 pm : link
Last year he finally broke the terrible habit of crashing hard inside virtually every play and was a beast against the run. This year, he's doing it regularly and getting exposed in both the running and passing games.
Terps and some others were right about JPP  
djm : 10/1/2017 7:48 pm : link
He's a good but not great player. Money should have been used elsewhere.

I hate everything. Fuck spags too.
Reese's $200 million defense hard at work in just their  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/1/2017 7:50 pm : link
2nd season.
RE: I've said it over and over...Spags is overated.  
djm : 10/1/2017 7:50 pm : link
In comment 13625906 Matt M. said:
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His defenses are not very good when he doesn't have a dominant DL. This year the DL is average, so the D is suspect.


I didn't really want to bring this guy back. It felt cheap or lazy or just kind of wrong to me. I think he's an overrated dc. He has his pelts so I can't kill him but right now, hard to support him. He's done a terrible job in 2015 and 2017.
RE: I've said it over and over...Spags is overated.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/1/2017 7:52 pm : link
In comment 13625906 Matt M. said:
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His defenses are not very good when he doesn't have a dominant DL. This year the DL is average, so the D is suspect.


It's not like the rest of the defense is fine. The LBs all stink except for Goodson against the run and none of the safeties can cover.

So Spags defenses are no good when the d-line isn't dominant, the LBs suck, and the safeties can't cover. Every defense with those problems sucks.
Question will be who they would draft with a top 5 pick?!  
Simms11 : 10/1/2017 7:53 pm : link
Is Reese that inept that he could screw that up?
RE: RE: I've said it over and over...Spags is overated.  
Simms11 : 10/1/2017 7:54 pm : link
In comment 13625983 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 13625906 Matt M. said:


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His defenses are not very good when he doesn't have a dominant DL. This year the DL is average, so the D is suspect.



It's not like the rest of the defense is fine. The LBs all stink except for Goodson against the run and none of the safeties can cover.

So Spags defenses are no good when the d-line isn't dominant, the LBs suck, and the safeties can't cover. Every defense with those problems sucks.


Kennard is not a bad LBer either, but he makes very few game changing plays.
Watching JPP play this season is brutal  
Jimmy Googs : 10/1/2017 7:55 pm : link
he has been dominated. And then you see him crash inside and leaves the whole field wide open...
RE: Question will be who they would draft with a top 5 pick?!  
Gman11 : 10/1/2017 8:41 pm : link
In comment 13625988 Simms11 said:
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Is Reese that inept that he could screw that up?
Well, the last time they had a top 10 pick they used it on Ereck Flowers. Does that answer your question?
RE: RE: Question will be who they would draft with a top 5 pick?!  
Sarcastic Sam : 10/1/2017 8:43 pm : link
In comment 13626207 Gman11 said:
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In comment 13625988 Simms11 said:


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Is Reese that inept that he could screw that up?

Well, the last time they had a top 10 pick they used it on Ereck Flowers. Does that answer your question?


Last 3 first rounders were Ereck Flowers, Eli Apple and Evan Engram. Any prospects with a first name starting with E for 2018?
For the life of me, why he did not go after Winston on that last drive  
montanagiant : 10/1/2017 8:44 pm : link
is unfathomable. Playing soft coverage and hoping for a mistake with the game on the line is a recipe for a loss. The game got turned around when he started bringing it in the 3rd qtr. Why go back to what was not working?
Go Terps called this correctly..  
Sean : 10/1/2017 8:50 pm : link
yet this board gets all pissy when he questioned the money spent on D.
RE: For the life of me, why he did not go after Winston on that last drive  
Jimmy Googs : 10/2/2017 7:33 am : link
In comment 13626217 montanagiant said:
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is unfathomable. Playing soft coverage and hoping for a mistake with the game on the line is a recipe for a loss. The game got turned around when he started bringing it in the 3rd qtr. Why go back to what was not working?


Agreed
Did  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/2/2017 7:36 am : link
JPP even play yesterday?
Second week in a row  
montanagiant : 10/2/2017 11:57 am : link
Where the Defense was handed the lead twice in the 4th Qtr.

That falls on Coaching IMO
RE: Terps and some others were right about JPP  
Matt M. : 10/2/2017 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13625956 djm said:
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He's a good but not great player. Money should have been used elsewhere.

I hate everything. Fuck spags too.
I wanted to re-sign Hankins instead of JPP. But, he isn't exactly lighting it up either.
RE: RE: I've said it over and over...Spags is overated.  
Matt M. : 10/2/2017 1:37 pm : link
In comment 13625983 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 13625906 Matt M. said:


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His defenses are not very good when he doesn't have a dominant DL. This year the DL is average, so the D is suspect.



It's not like the rest of the defense is fine. The LBs all stink except for Goodson against the run and none of the safeties can cover.

So Spags defenses are no good when the d-line isn't dominant, the LBs suck, and the safeties can't cover. Every defense with those problems sucks.
He's made mediocre D look good with dominant DL play, which makes sense. Last year, for example, we didn't have good LBs, FS was average at best, and our depth at CB left a lot to be desired. But, up front we dominated and the D as a unit excelled.
RE: Go Terps called this correctly..  
Britt in VA : 10/2/2017 1:39 pm : link
In comment 13626245 Sean said:
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yet this board gets all pissy when he questioned the money spent on D.


And based on that, people should really stop and think a little about Beckham, his performance thus far this year, and the money that's about to be spent on him, as well.

I personally feel like they have to keep him, but it gives me pause.
RE: RE: Go Terps called this correctly..  
Go Terps : 10/2/2017 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13627592 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 13626245 Sean said:


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yet this board gets all pissy when he questioned the money spent on D.



And based on that, people should really stop and think a little about Beckham, his performance thus far this year, and the money that's about to be spent on him, as well.

I personally feel like they have to keep him, but it gives me pause.


If they pay him they are out of their minds. I can not say this strongly enough.

They should trade him today. It's the best way to maximize an asset that is eroding in value by the minute.
aspects that they can sort out  
idiotsavant : 10/2/2017 1:46 pm : link
things to do with d-b play....all fixable.

BUT - but,but,but, DT play must improve vs the run. that is the bottom line, the whole back 7 was built on the assumption of good DT play, good DT play enabled LBs to perform better, for example...pass rush may have justified some of these d-backs (obviously DRC and Jackrabbit are greats, the others need that situation maybe). DT play helps your DEs as well.

Can DT play improve with current roster? The free agent and the draft pick are not big slobbery bastards, just as on O we lack interior emphasis (again suddenly in the case of D).

Its not just that 30lbs here or there, it sounds like teams are taking Snacks out of the game with OL techniques, angles, what have you, attacking as we should be on O.

I still think we can run a 5-0-6 with Kennard or Vernon as the 'extra DL', such that will help vs run and pass
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