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ESPN suggests the Giants trade Brandon Marshall now

Jim Bob Cooter : 10/5/2017 10:37 am
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Less than two months after signing Marshall, the Giants used their first-round pick for receiving tight end Evan Engram, who runs routes that might typically go to Marshall. If Marshall were available, the price would probably be as low as a seventh-rounder, according to multiple execs who didn't seem excited by the prospect.

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Nonsensical  
allstarjim : 10/5/2017 11:16 am : link
The future value of Brandon Marshall in the Giants' offense and the skillset and physical presence he provides for both this year and even next year far exceeds the likely return in a trade. Even if a 5th rounder was offered, it would make the Giants worse for basically what is historically a bottom of the roster player or lottery ticket.

You could make the argument that a trade for a competent RB might be possible and a fair return, but it's unlikely that the quality of RB the Giants would seek would likely be unavailable for a return of just Marshall, and even if such a trade were to happen, would not significantly improve the offense or the running game.

So far, the skillset and physical presence  
JonC : 10/5/2017 11:21 am : link
are minimal if any, and it's certainly possible it's Father Time getting in the way. But I sure hope he wakes up, as I don't expect a trade.
RE: Nonsensical  
McNally's_Nuts : 10/5/2017 11:21 am : link
In comment 13631513 allstarjim said:
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The future value of Brandon Marshall in the Giants' offense and the skillset and physical presence he provides for both this year and even next year far exceeds the likely return in a trade. Even if a 5th rounder was offered, it would make the Giants worse for basically what is historically a bottom of the roster player or lottery ticket.

You could make the argument that a trade for a competent RB might be possible and a fair return, but it's unlikely that the quality of RB the Giants would seek would likely be unavailable for a return of just Marshall, and even if such a trade were to happen, would not significantly improve the offense or the running game.


Marshall won't be on the team next year. He is essentially on a one year deal.
I was very down on the offense the first 2 games  
Dinger : 10/5/2017 11:22 am : link
but they HAVE shown improvement. They went from not showing up the first two games to playing 1 quarter versus the eagles then 3 quarters versus the Bucs. Maybe they can put together a full game soon and when other teams start triple teaming Beckham and paying more attention to Engram Marshall will make his catches. I'm not sure what everyone was looking for from him. He's a secondary or tertiary target. He's got 4 games under his belt with a new team and a new scheme. The Giants don't trade and especially trade away. He's going to be here and have an increasing role. He'll make some catches this year that idell could not make because of the size difference. Thats all he'll add.
RE: we all knew  
jcn56 : 10/5/2017 11:27 am : link
In comment 13631510 family progtitioner said:
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it was a gamble. It looks like we crapped out


I think a lot of people mistakenly thought it was foolproof. Given his age, there was no chance of that.
you ain't getting anything or much at all  
micky : 10/5/2017 11:29 am : link
even if he could be traded at all
Jury is still out  
well...bye TC : 10/5/2017 11:34 am : link
a month ago BBI had a raging hard on for this guy. Now hes washed up. Losing is contagious.
When a guy says  
Dave on the UWS : 10/5/2017 11:41 am : link
"2 more years and then I'm done" in reality he's ALREADY done in his mind. Reese misread this guy it was a signing he shouldn't have made.
He isn't getting traded, no chance  
SGMen : 10/5/2017 11:43 am : link
You live with him. If we finish 5 - 11 or worse, as I predict at this point due to our schedule and OL ineptitude, you look at a blue chip 1st rounder AND you also clean house of higher priced veterans who don't fit the future.

Basically, you clean house and Marshall is someone who could go. And don't think OBJ can't be traded if there is house cleaning. All it takes is for one team to overpay.

5 - 11 likely means the front office and coaches will be replaced by a new GM and staff. Anything can happen.
RE: RE: we all knew  
McNally's_Nuts : 10/5/2017 11:47 am : link
In comment 13631524 jcn56 said:
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In comment 13631510 family progtitioner said:


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it was a gamble. It looks like we crapped out



I think a lot of people mistakenly thought it was foolproof. Given his age, there was no chance of that.


I mean, I felt like it was a small gamble. I (probably along with everyone else) felt that Marshall would really help Manning because of his big body.

Now he drops balls at an impressive rate.
I  
AcidTest : 10/5/2017 11:56 am : link
still have some hope, but he looks like another poor FA signing by Reese. I can't imagine anyone trading for him.
He s a problem but hasn't been the only problem. Wouldn't  
Blue21 : 10/5/2017 12:11 pm : link
get crap for him. I'd sit him before I'd trade him. Could at least be a back up. I think it's still too early to tell how he's gonna be.
Trade him?  
Marty866b : 10/5/2017 12:35 pm : link
For a low 7th round draft choice? I have met many sportswriters throughout my life and have always felt that they knew little about sports and this fits right into my thinking.
This is funny  
B in ALB : 10/5/2017 12:39 pm : link
Does it really matter if they trade him or not? What difference does it make? I say none.

He doesn't care, he just wants to get his, as does most of this "team".
RE: Nonsensical  
jvm52106 : 10/5/2017 12:52 pm : link
In comment 13631513 allstarjim said:
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The future value of Brandon Marshall in the Giants' offense and the skillset and physical presence he provides for both this year and even next year far exceeds the likely return in a trade. Even if a 5th rounder was offered, it would make the Giants worse for basically what is historically a bottom of the roster player or lottery ticket.

You could make the argument that a trade for a competent RB might be possible and a fair return, but it's unlikely that the quality of RB the Giants would seek would likely be unavailable for a return of just Marshall, and even if such a trade were to happen, would not significantly improve the offense or the running game.
I was all for the signing when it happened and now I can easily say there is no next year for Marshall with the Giants. He looks done.
This is an interesting thread in hindsight...  
Overseer : 10/5/2017 12:56 pm : link
I disliked the signing, but even I didn't think it would be as bad as it is. All world physical talent (at least when younger), but lacking upstairs to say the least. Hopefully he salvages a semi decent season.

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This dude took a lot of shit  
Overseer : 10/5/2017 1:09 pm : link
and even got called an idiot.

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WTF are they thinking?
giantsfan227B : 3/8/2017 9:42 am : link
For one, Marshall SUCKS!! There is a reason he bounces from team to team. 2 he is injury prone. And finally he is a jackass. I can't wait for the Giants to lose a close game and either he or OBJ complains they aren't getting the ball enough.

The Giants didn't have a problem passing the ball. They had a problem pass blocking. How about spending money on the OL? I guess we will get our guy in the draft until we pass him up for another DL.


Bolded part notable.
I'd pull the trigger.  
The_Boss : 10/5/2017 1:14 pm : link
A lot of losing has followed this guy going back to his Denver days.
LOL...  
BillKo : 10/5/2017 1:17 pm : link
who would actually want Marshall??

We gambled on a veteran being rejuvenated and flourishing, so to speak, like say Everson Walls or other players we've picked up in the past.

Marshall looks to be just extremely average at this point, and hardly an upgrade over Cruz.

At least Cruz gave you enthusiasm.
RE: This dude took a lot of shit  
jcn56 : 10/5/2017 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13631654 Overseer said:
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and even got called an idiot.



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WTF are they thinking?
giantsfan227B : 3/8/2017 9:42 am : link
For one, Marshall SUCKS!! There is a reason he bounces from team to team. 2 he is injury prone. And finally he is a jackass. I can't wait for the Giants to lose a close game and either he or OBJ complains they aren't getting the ball enough.

The Giants didn't have a problem passing the ball. They had a problem pass blocking. How about spending money on the OL? I guess we will get our guy in the draft until we pass him up for another DL.



Bolded part notable.


The 'should've signed a lineman instead' argument doesn't work for Marshall - it's not as if the available cap space prevented them from signing a lineman, it was the strategy that with Pugh and Richburg healthy and with some improvement from Flowers they'd be OK on the OL. That obviously backfired in a pretty big way.
RE: Nonsensical  
DennyInDenville : 10/5/2017 1:21 pm : link
In comment 13631513 allstarjim said:
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The future value of Brandon Marshall in the Giants' offense and the skillset and physical presence he provides for both this year and even next year far exceeds the likely return in a trade. Even if a 5th rounder was offered, it would make the Giants worse for basically what is historically a bottom of the roster player or lottery ticket.

You could make the argument that a trade for a competent RB might be possible and a fair return, but it's unlikely that the quality of RB the Giants would seek would likely be unavailable for a return of just Marshall, and even if such a trade were to happen, would not significantly improve the offense or the running game.

It's to get him off the roster I would guess more then anything else.

Marshall Came here to win. We are 0-4 I doubt he is hapoy, and would welcome a trade before he starts spreading more throughout the team.

It seems as tho 90% of us we're all wrong and Marshall was a horrible signing.

Whitworth was the guy, we missed out.
Marshall was brought in to be a complimentary piece  
Go Terps : 10/5/2017 1:22 pm : link
It made sense at the time given the contract.
RE: This is funny  
HomerJones45 : 10/5/2017 1:24 pm : link
In comment 13631619 B in ALB said:
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Does it really matter if they trade him or not? What difference does it make? I say none.

He doesn't care, he just wants to get his, as does most of this "team".
Pretty much the case. It's not like there weren't red flags in his history.
RE: This dude took a lot of shit  
crick n NC : 10/5/2017 1:24 pm : link
In comment 13631654 Overseer said:
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and even got called an idiot.



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WTF are they thinking?
giantsfan227B : 3/8/2017 9:42 am : link
For one, Marshall SUCKS!! There is a reason he bounces from team to team. 2 he is injury prone. And finally he is a jackass. I can't wait for the Giants to lose a close game and either he or OBJ complains they aren't getting the ball enough.

The Giants didn't have a problem passing the ball. They had a problem pass blocking. How about spending money on the OL? I guess we will get our guy in the draft until we pass him up for another DL.



Bolded part notable.


Who was available to sign for the OL at that time?

My problem with this post is that the addition of BM was being shot down as basically stupid before the situation had a chance to show it's worth or lack thereof.

Also, the giants did have problem passing the ball in 16, Cruz was beyond toast, the idea with Marshall was that he would at least out muscle defenders for the ball with his size, something Cruz could not offer
RE: Marshall was brought in to be a complimentary piece  
BillKo : 10/5/2017 1:27 pm : link
In comment 13631678 Go Terps said:
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It made sense at the time given the contract.


Overwhelmingly.......he was the size receiver we lacked. And didn't have to the #1 guy.

It's just not working out. Stuff happens.....it's not an exact science.
I'm an outlier...  
DonQuixote : 10/5/2017 1:28 pm : link
I don't think Marshall was a bad signing. He and Eli are connecting better recently, and after the egregious drop two weeks ago and a couple less egregious drops, I think he'll be fine.

Let's be clear, Odell has dropped balls, Eli was not on top of his games in the first two weeks, the OL is in disarray. Expect Marshall to pick up his game bit don't give up in him. I see things trending upward.
Once we lock up Lam Jones  
ghost718 : 10/5/2017 1:32 pm : link
We'll be free to trade Marshall
How does bringing in a ''complimentary'' [sic] piece matter  
Overseer : 10/5/2017 1:32 pm : link
if said piece is a jackass, as the aforementioned poster correctly noted?

And it wasn't a vet min deal. An $11M contract isn't chump change.

Marshall got $5m guaranteed for 2017  
jcn56 : 10/5/2017 1:36 pm : link
and we're out easily after that. Not chump change, but it didn't handcuff us in any way.

As for him being a jackass - why's that, because he dropped passes? Has he made some statements that I'm not aware of?
RE: How does bringing in a ''complimentary'' [sic] piece matter  
Go Terps : 10/5/2017 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13631698 Overseer said:
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if said piece is a jackass, as the aforementioned poster correctly noted?

And it wasn't a vet min deal. An $11M contract isn't chump change.


I'm aware of the difference between complimentary and complementary. I apologize for typing incorrectly on my phone.

Is Marshall a jackass, or is he just done? When he was signed I was hoping for 700 yards and 6 TDs...but they had to be the right 6 TDs. I was hoping for a red zone option on a team that is worse than putrid running the ball in that area. For reasons that in large part aren't Marshall's fault, that hasn't borne out to be the case.
One of the best WRs of the last 10 years  
KWALL2 : 10/5/2017 1:50 pm : link
He was a great talent. 4 games in it looks like he fell off the cliff. At this point it looks like a terrible FA signing. An older player coming off a down year who now looks even worse.

Nobody will trade for the guy.

They either use him or cut him.

I'm for giving him a few more games.
Hard to say  
Overseer : 10/5/2017 1:52 pm : link
I objected to the signing more based on his age and largely overlooked his half-assed play, but both shortcomings are rather apparent.

Regardless...he's patently such a small reason the Giants suck, so I'm not sweating it much, nor should anyone. Prime BM couldn't help this team.
Would rather keep him  
TMS : 10/5/2017 1:57 pm : link
than let him go for a 7th round pick. The way we draft that is a no brainer. Injury insurance if nothing else. If Engram takes takes over that works well too. ELI and the offense has shown some life these last two games. The NFC East is no bargain and anything can still happen if we put it together. MO.
Great message to future FAs  
oldutican : 10/5/2017 2:06 pm : link
You have a few bad games and we'll trade your ass.
Only if we trade Odell with him.  
Frankie in Flushing : 10/5/2017 2:44 pm : link
now
He is under contract for next year, btw  
allstarjim : 10/5/2017 3:14 pm : link
I get that they can cut him in the offseason. But the point of my post was that there is no benefit to trading him away. If he's that bad you simply bench him.

We are four games into the season, he will get more than that to bounce back.
Speaking only for myself  
Don Draper : 10/5/2017 4:16 pm : link
I was/am looking for him to always fight for the ball and to generally catch it when he's targeted...

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Dinger : 11:22 am : link
.... Maybe they can put together a full game soon and when other teams start triple teaming Beckham and paying more attention to Engram Marshall will make his catches. I'm not sure what everyone was looking for from him ....
For what?  
old man : 10/5/2017 4:24 pm : link
A bag of biscuits?
However, if he wants to be traded, hold out for at least 1/2 a bag; or a conditional 7th(if he catches 5 passes more than he drops this season for the new team).
Joe Thomas  
TyreeHelmet : 10/5/2017 4:31 pm : link
Maybe Cleveland's interested....
It was mentioned before  
Elite Mobster #32 : 10/5/2017 4:34 pm : link
To bring Marshall in to block and release from the Line of Scrimmage, then have Engram to take Marshall's position on some plays as a receiver. Marshall runs better inside routes. Engram can beat DB's on the outside. It's like when JPP and Vernon change sides. It would be hard to prepare for. I think it could work. Actually Engram has better one on one release moves off the line.
BBI just spent more in hosting fees  
nyynyg : 10/5/2017 5:05 pm : link
for the database i/o of this thread than the value of this trade idea or what would be returned to the Giants via trade.
Marshall is not playing great  
GeorgeAdams33 : 10/5/2017 8:23 pm : link
but I really do wish that some of you would just quit with all the whining about Travis Rudolph. It's just laughable. The guy went undrafted and did not make the team yet some of you act like he can be an all pro. Just cut it out, all of you. It's beyond pathetic. Rudolph will never be a difference maker in the NFL. Get over it.
Marshall is not as bad as he has shown  
EricJ : 10/5/2017 9:03 pm : link
so far this year. He also did make a few key catches in between a few drops. Before this season is over he will be looking much better
Oh Please stop with this O-line improving joke .  
Bluesbreaker : 10/6/2017 6:54 pm : link
Hart was a what 7th round pick no draft day pundit had this
kid as starting material . Most looked at him as a guard
with some seasoning work in the weight room .
Flowers has been a disaster and he didn't correct some of the
fundamental flaws in his game . Signing John Jerry to a
three year deal made zero sense .
Marshal has had little time to develop with Eli coming into
a new system and unfortunately getting injured early on .
We could see in pre-season we were gonna see more of the
same from last season . Total inability to run the ball .
There plenty of ways in FA to shore up this line and with
the draft . When you gamble away the better part of 6 years
of your star QB's career its time for a clean sweep .
Marshall is the least of our worries and I think he will
improve as the season wears on sure he has had some
drops but so hasn't everyone else .
0-5 looks like reality if JPP and Vernon are still hurt  
joe48 : 10/7/2017 4:21 pm : link
Plus the OL wil get demolished by Charger pass rush. Wasting Eliís last 5 yearís should be enough to get any GM fired but the Giants donít things like this. They fire a coach instead.
RE: 0-5 looks like reality if JPP and Vernon are still hurt  
TMS : 10/7/2017 7:04 pm : link
In comment 13634450 joe48 said:
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Plus the OL wil get demolished by Charger pass rush. Wasting Eliís last 5 yearís should be enough to get any GM fired but the Giants donít things like this. They fire a coach instead.
The Maras are milking the family business and are not going anywhere. Reese and crew are protected PC hires. The fans are the least of their worries if they keep making $$$. Maybe Tisch will intervene like he did with Coughlin, he is all about the bottom line. We need new blood in management bad.
RE: RE: 0-5 looks like reality if JPP and Vernon are still hurt  
jcn56 : 10/7/2017 7:10 pm : link
In comment 13634511 TMS said:
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Plus the OL wil get demolished by Charger pass rush. Wasting Eliís last 5 yearís should be enough to get any GM fired but the Giants donít things like this. They fire a coach instead.

The Maras are milking the family business and are not going anywhere. Reese and crew are protected PC hires. The fans are the least of their worries if they keep making $$$. Maybe Tisch will intervene like he did with Coughlin, he is all about the bottom line. We need new blood in management bad.


Good to know that in addition to being a moron you're likely a racist. Protected PC hires? The guy won two fucking Super Bowls.
RE: RE: RE: 0-5 looks like reality if JPP and Vernon are still hurt  
EricJ : 10/7/2017 7:15 pm : link
In comment 13634515 jcn56 said:
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In comment 13634450 joe48 said:


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Plus the OL wil get demolished by Charger pass rush. Wasting Eliís last 5 yearís should be enough to get any GM fired but the Giants donít things like this. They fire a coach instead.

The Maras are milking the family business and are not going anywhere. Reese and crew are protected PC hires. The fans are the least of their worries if they keep making $$$. Maybe Tisch will intervene like he did with Coughlin, he is all about the bottom line. We need new blood in management bad.



Good to know that in addition to being a moron you're likely a racist. Protected PC hires? The guy won two fucking Super Bowls.


yeah his comment was just stupid. In fact, they could have easily fired Jerry and Ross when they fired Coughlin. A clean sweep and nobody would have accused the Giants of anything.
They didn't fire Spagnuolo or McAdoo either  
jcn56 : 10/7/2017 8:11 pm : link
They looking out for the Italians? Something mafia related?

Coaches tend to have a shorter lifespan. Coughlin's age was a factor. Reese's race wasn't.

Reese could easily get it after this season. If the Giants feel that they can make an upgrade, they're going to fire Reese and not face a single question about whether race played a factor, so implying that he's protected because of it is straight up idiotic.
One of the dumber threads and series of posts I have seen in a while  
Jimmy Googs : 10/7/2017 9:03 pm : link
Marshall has plenty of drops but he is still a favorable matchup for us. Maybe if Giant offense actually came out ready to play during the 1QTR of games we could actually throw him some targets and get him into the flow of the game.

Criticizing him as a selfish, lazy WR is laughable. What the hell did you all think we were getting...Steve Largent??

Feed the diva the ball, and you will start liking him more.

Or go ask Cruz to come back chuckleheads...
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