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Marshall versus Cruz

jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 10/5/2017 2:18 pm
One of the big improvements from last was season supposed to be replacing Cruz with Marshall. Let's see how that has worked out.

Game 1 last season Cruz caught the game winning touchdown pass. Eli said it was a broken play, but Cruz with his experience made it work.

Game 1 this season Marshall did nothing.

Game 2 last season Cruz caught a contested pass (after an easy drop by OBJ) that allowed the Giants to milk the clock, and then kick the game winning field goal as time expired.

Game 2 this season Marshall did a little, but not much.

For the rest of the season, Cruz did very little, but we cannot take away that he was a huge factor in their going 2-0.

Game 3 this season Marshall had a huge drop.

Game 4 this season Marshall again had a huge drop.

We obviously do not know how Marshall will play in games 5-16, but given what he has shown so far, does anyone expect him to contribute as much as Cruz did those first tow games?
No defending BM  
JonC : 10/5/2017 2:27 pm : link
but Cruz is done.
Ditto plus BM is  
Thatís Gold, Jerry : 10/5/2017 2:33 pm : link
a much bigger target...unless things turn around in a major way, he will only be here this year. Engram will take his targets going forward.

Hopefully, though, BM can help us. If the team doesn't improve, though, he will be gone.
Marshall has always dropped a lot of passes  
RetroJint : 10/5/2017 2:51 pm : link
What's missing this year is yards after the catch. If I recall correctly , he led the NFL in that category last season. This season what I see is old , slow and not terribly competitive . When he goes over the middle, he's cradle trapping the ball and looking to get down.

Shepard is running those routes with definition and courage . To me, he seems faster than last season. I was shocked that Jenkins couldn't catch him from behind .

As far as Engram, he's definitely a good receiver. But the 40 time means nothing unless he starts running verticals . Last week we watched Harvard best Alabama on a vertical to end the game.
I still think BM>Cruz  
gmen9892 : 10/5/2017 3:06 pm : link
Despite the slow start this year.

Having said that, you forgot to include the HUGE drop BM had in the Detroit game as well. Would have gone for at least a 30 yard gain at a point where the Giants were working their way back into that game. It subsequently led to Wing outkicking the punt coverage (debatable) and the Lions PR taking it back to the house to effectively end the game.
RE: No defending BM  
AcidTest : 10/5/2017 3:08 pm : link
In comment 13631795 JonC said:
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but Cruz is done.


Agreed. But at this point, it might have been smarter to keep King instead of signing Marshall. King of course is still a FA, but he'd be cheaper, and plays ST. The money for Marshall and Ellison should have gone to Whitworth. That of course wouldn't help the defense, which is also a disaster.
Dumb thread  
allstarjim : 10/5/2017 3:32 pm : link
Cruz absolutely fell off a cliff after week 4, save a week 14 8 catch, 84 yard game. There were 2 games where he was completely shut out, and 5 other games where he managed only 1 catch. Outside of his TD in week 1, he failed to score all year.

So correct me if I'm wrong? But did the season end already? Or are there 12 more games to play? Victor had 15 games last year, he managed 39 catches for 586 and 1 score. That's no bueno. Why don't we give Marshall a little more time. He is not solely responsible or even a big reason why the offense hasn't been very good, and these are only his first 4 games working with Eli. Cruz had plenty of time, he's done, he may catch on somewhere else at some point but not here.
Cruz is finished.  
Giant John : 10/5/2017 5:05 pm : link
Nothing left in the tank. So is hands of stone.
Cruz couldn't even make the vaunted Bears receiving corp  
PatersonPlank : 10/5/2017 5:54 pm : link
.
Not defending Cruz. He's absolutely done.  
Geomon : 10/5/2017 6:19 pm : link
But anyone who watched a Jets game last year knew Marshall was crap. Why would he be any different here?
Marshall was a reasonable gamble  
Ira : 10/5/2017 6:48 pm : link
at a small contract that doesn't appear to have worked out. But while I'm not a big fan, he's better than Cruz was last season.
RE: Dumb thread  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 10/6/2017 6:36 am : link
In comment 13631914 allstarjim said:
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Cruz absolutely fell off a cliff after week 4, save a week 14 8 catch, 84 yard game. There were 2 games where he was completely shut out, and 5 other games where he managed only 1 catch. Outside of his TD in week 1, he failed to score all year.

So correct me if I'm wrong? But did the season end already? Or are there 12 more games to play? Victor had 15 games last year, he managed 39 catches for 586 and 1 score. That's no bueno. Why don't we give Marshall a little more time. He is not solely responsible or even a big reason why the offense hasn't been very good, and these are only his first 4 games working with Eli. Cruz had plenty of time, he's done, he may catch on somewhere else at some point but not here.


I conceded that Cruz did basically nothing after game 2, but my point was he was a huge contributor in the first 2 wins. My point was that Marshall was supposed to be a huge improvement, but I don't see it. He has made plays that were instrumental in losses. I would be surprised if in the remaining games he contributes greatly to two wins.

I did not say that they should have kept Cruz, just that Marshall has not been the large improvement that was predicted. The money could have gone somewhere else.
All the gushing  
Gman11 : 10/6/2017 8:42 am : link
I read from the papers how Marshall was going to take coverage away from Beckham, how he was a Pro Bowler, a red zone target, blah, blah, blah was a bunch of bluster.

He stinks.
Didn t Marshall  
joeinpa : 10/6/2017 10:52 am : link
Make a prett spectacular grab on the sideline against Tampa

Don t think he has hit his groove yet
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