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jc in c-ville : 10/6/2017 9:34 am
Can't link from work laptop but read on cell phone.

sportstalk360.com states that the Giants reached out to inquire about LT Duane Brown who continues to hold out.

He was scheduled to make 9.4 million and wants more.

What is the cost (trade) for someone like this? 2/3 rounder?

Move Flowers to G where he is better suited in the NFL?

He has actually looked better the past two years but obviously isn't the future for LT.
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RE: Not so sure how reputable this site is  
OdellBeckhamJr : 10/6/2017 12:11 pm : link
In comment 13632716 jcn56 said:
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Sports Talk 360 is a privately run website run by a couple of lads who love their NFL. The Sports Talk 360 team are a dedicated couple of lads who seek to bring you all the News and Rumours in the world of the NFL.






You guys actually believe this shit? Lmaooo
LOL  
annexOPR : 10/6/2017 12:25 pm : link
yeah now trade for an aging vet at 0-4 ... the season is lost, keep the picks

Great job Reese
Not now this should have been done in free agency  
Bluesbreaker : 10/6/2017 12:30 pm : link
Would've been great to
Metnut : 9:37 am : link : reply
make this trade 3 weeks ago. Trading futures to save this season at 0-4 is a risky move. Even a 10-2 finish wouldn't guarantee playoffs.ere not going 10-2 so no sense in
spending picks on a 30 yo .
Go after a pass rusher of O-lineman next year free agency
makes no sense right now . If he was 3-4 years younger
I would say go for it.
I dont see the point now  
UConn4523 : 10/6/2017 12:38 pm : link
unless it's for minimal assets.
This reeks of desperation.  
Bubba : 10/6/2017 12:38 pm : link
Win now attitude? Doubt getting him at any cost is going to salvage the season at this point.
RE: This reeks of desperation.  
annexOPR : 10/6/2017 12:45 pm : link
In comment 13632996 Bubba said:
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Win now attitude? Doubt getting him at any cost is going to salvage the season at this point.


all this stupid move does is lose draft picks while "helping" this team win just enough to lose a top 10 1st rounder

the season is over - this move needed to happen in July
people falling hook line and sinker with this  
micky : 10/6/2017 12:50 pm : link
lmao
If True, Seems Like a Look Toward Next Year,  
clatterbuck : 10/6/2017 12:52 pm : link
considering Brown wouldn't be available to play until the second half of the season. Maybe team thinks it could get a couple of years out of him coinciding with Eli's window?
Too late  
Sy'56 : 10/6/2017 1:03 pm : link
No more picks should be given up, they are already down 1
I say do it  
ZGiants98 : 10/6/2017 1:05 pm : link
For no other reason than to assess what other players on the line might look like in their correct positions, evaluate the run game better, and see what Eli could truly do in this offense with a bit more time.

We will have zero answers if we go into the offseason with what we have.
RE: Dumb move at this point in the season if true...  
bradshaw44 : 10/6/2017 1:07 pm : link
In comment 13632735 Britt in VA said:
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and would reek of desperation.


This. If they leverage the future on a season that is undoubtedly lost, then this organization has officially come off the rails.
ZGiants  
Bubba : 10/6/2017 1:08 pm : link
Hard to believe we are discussing the off season in early Oct. Sad but true.
Id be ok giving up a 6th  
Simms11 : 10/6/2017 1:29 pm : link
or even a 5th for a starting LT. If Reese could get him for that, I would be ok with that. Having a guy on the left side capable of stabilizing the Oline going into later part of this year and next might be well worth while. Remember,they have to rebuild the Oline anyway and why not get a jump on FA now, rather then compete for services later. Hows that worked out with OLineman? Problem is twofold however. One we have to be able to sign him to a 3-4 year contract and two, we will have to move Flowers to another position he has never played in the pros!
My heart says yes and my head says no.  
Heisenberg : 10/6/2017 1:44 pm : link
I'd love to see a different LT out there soon but it's too late to make sense at this point.
How much does he have in the tank?  
AcesUp : 10/6/2017 1:53 pm : link
If he can be counted on for a few years, I'd be ok giving him a Whitworth-esque contract and the Texans a high Day 3 pick. We haven't been able to get a +starter at that position since Diehl started to decline. Beggers can't be choosers.

If he's just a short term bandaid? No thanks, no pick. Duane Brown isn't winning this team the Lombardi this year and it reeks of a desperation play by a FO that fears for its job. Clawing our way to 8-8 for a guy that won't benefit the franchise longterm isn't in our best interest.
What is the point at this stage of the season?  
Matt M. : 10/6/2017 1:53 pm : link
Unless it is really intended for next year, how do you expect an OL who hasn't practiced since last year to come in week 6 or later of a dismal season and make any impact?
RE: How much does he have in the tank?  
siena16 : 10/6/2017 2:05 pm : link
In comment 13633103 AcesUp said:
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If he can be counted on for a few years, I'd be ok giving him a Whitworth-esque contract and the Texans a high Day 3 pick. We haven't been able to get a +starter at that position since Diehl started to decline. Beggers can't be choosers.

If he's just a short term bandaid? No thanks, no pick. Duane Brown isn't winning this team the Lombardi this year and it reeks of a desperation play by a FO that fears for its job. Clawing our way to 8-8 for a guy that won't benefit the franchise longterm isn't in our best interest.


Exactly, The Horse is out of the barn. Now this poor GM wants to fix something that's way too late so he can get up in his presser during the bye week and say, "We always trying to upgrade at all positions during the season". People who think Reese is a effective GM need their thought process reviewed
Any chance we can include McAdoo in the trade ?  
averagejoe : 10/6/2017 2:06 pm : link
as a throw in with a 4th round pick ? His keen mind can help Texans offense not score .
Whitworth got $15M guaranteed over three years...  
Torrag : 10/6/2017 2:27 pm : link
...and is the better player. But yeah we shouldn't have made him the #1 offseason priority. Reese is stupid.
Chances are  
Earl the goat : 10/6/2017 2:43 pm : link
Giants will finish 4-12
That's going to be a high 2nd and 3rd rounder for a 32yo 9milluon plus LT

Please don't do it
If we lose  
TommyWiseau : 10/6/2017 2:58 pm : link
to the chargers we are looking at 4 and 12 for sure. Let's see what happens this week before we make a trade for a LT.
I would have made this move  
Chris684 : 10/6/2017 2:58 pm : link
Monday morning after the Dallas game before we pissed everything away. Now? It's too risky giving up assets at 0-4 with a bunch of guys injured and the hard part of the schedule still coming up.
Hell of a time  
UberAlias : 10/6/2017 3:09 pm : link
To make a win now move.
...we are 0-4  
BleedBlue : 10/6/2017 3:22 pm : link
not 0-10

regardless of what the numbers say you go ONE game at a time. the first four were REALLY good teams....every game on schedule left is winnable....why cant we rip off 6 in a row to get to 6-4??? this is the nfl....one game at a time. i make this move for a 4th rounder AT most. wouldnt trade a high pick, but 4+ id jump on it. 3rd would take me longer to think about. if this gives us a better chance of winning now, you do it....then in april we can go a different route ie barkley and use 2nd and 3rd rouders on OL and really sets us up well for 2018.
RE: RE: RE: RE: The 'desperation' and 'save their ass' posts are funny  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/6/2017 3:22 pm : link
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You guys realize that Mara signs off on these moves, right? Do you think that whatever our record is, Chris Mara is leaving the team? And with him there regardless, do you think he'd sign off on some desperation move that could hurt the team if the only aim was a longshot to save people's jobs?

Think before you post people... The chances of this being true are highly unlikely in the first place, but even if, it's not two guys in a vacuum jeopardizing the team's long term future without anyone holding them in check.

Yes, No and Yes. They don't want to look like fools after spending 200 million, handing the reins over to a novice and keeping Jerry Reach.



Man, you love your talking points. I can imagine you're similarly useless in conversations about political and current evennts.

Sorry Reese and MacAdoo are making you and your predictions look clueless. You'll learn how things work as you gain more experience in the world.

If you only understood how ironic it is for you to call anyone else clueless, the world might reverse on its axis.
RE: Would've been great to  
81_Great_Dane : 10/6/2017 3:32 pm : link
In comment 13632713 Metnut said:
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make this trade 3 weeks ago. Trading futures to save this season at 0-4 is a risky move. Even a 10-2 finish wouldn't guarantee playoffs.
Agree that it's risky, and they should have made the move before. Also, it'll take him a while to learn the offense and contribute -- he's probably not going to do much to help before the bye week.

That said, we can't both scream for O-line help and say we shouldn't go after O-line help. The season's teetering and it's not a month old yet. Yes, a 10-2 finish wouldn't guarantee playoffs, but 6-6 finish guarantees no playoffs. The front office has to show the players and fans that they're really committed to winning, every year.
Go get him  
Since1965 : 10/6/2017 4:26 pm : link
Something needs go be done to upgrade. Get him on the field ASAP. There's still a lot of football left.
Seems weird to go looking for a trade at 0-4  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/6/2017 4:36 pm : link
You were sold on this OL 4 games ago. This was supposed to be a year in which you built on 11-5 and you thought this OL was good enough. 4 games and now looking for trades?

RE: Seems weird to go looking for a trade at 0-4  
jcn56 : 10/6/2017 4:41 pm : link
In comment 13633273 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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You were sold on this OL 4 games ago. This was supposed to be a year in which you built on 11-5 and you thought this OL was good enough. 4 games and now looking for trades?


We're deep into the thread now, but look up a bit, the source on this rumour is somewhat cheeky.
Great strategy  
Jimmy Googs : 10/6/2017 4:43 pm : link
Close the barn door after the cow has left...
I'm torn. I don't want Eli getting killed  
widmerseyebrow : 10/6/2017 4:54 pm : link
But it's obviously a bad idea to add (especially) an offensive lineman 4 games into a season expecting to keep your championship hopes alive.

Maybe it's getting close to accepting that the championship window was never really there with this line. It's hard to expect the acquisition of two to four good starters in the next offseason or two when this front office hasn't been able to do that in the last 7 years.
RE: hopefully Reese  
old man : 10/6/2017 9:03 pm : link
In comment 13632820 Enzo said:
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isn't allowed to do anything stupid in a desperate attempt to save his job.

Might be Mara's desperate attempt to still win games(in my Bob Uecker voice: JUST a bit late).
We don't draft that well anyway  
Rjanyg : 10/6/2017 9:33 pm : link
This is about getting an good LT. Send them a 3rd rounder, get their 5th rounder. You guys act like we hit on all our picks.
I understand 0-4  
joeinpa : 10/6/2017 9:40 pm : link
Is very discouraging. But the tone of certainty with which many of you use in declaring the season over, is ironic when you consider the condemnation directed towards Certain players like JPP for quitting.

I d say there s a lot of quit on this board.

By the way if Giants win Sunday and the Cowboys get their third loss, or Eagles get their second. Please son t jump back on the wagon.
Giants have developed institutional arrogance  
mdc1 : 10/7/2017 9:28 am : link
and the past several seasons have magnified this greatly. Not sure if it is the owners influencing decisions around personnel eval and selection or simply not getting it right in this age of the NFL in which athletes are faster and the game has changed quite a bit.
RE: Giants have developed institutional arrogance  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/7/2017 12:36 pm : link
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"institutional arrogance" requires a bit more clarification. Every team in the league has a philosophy they stick to. You could say this for just about any franchise.
I agree with Will,  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/7/2017 12:44 pm : link
you have to factor that they cant get it right at OT with a 1st rounder, Flowers, Pugh.

I can stomach a 3rd for Brown and am ok paying him. Especially since they wont be paying flowers and possibly Pugh big money. I dont think PUgh is worth big money as a OG or OT.

They have Eli for 2 years. Bring him on. Its like having Duane brown for Odigizuwa.
RE: I agree with Will,  
jcn56 : 10/7/2017 12:52 pm : link
In comment 13634305 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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you have to factor that they cant get it right at OT with a 1st rounder, Flowers, Pugh.

I can stomach a 3rd for Brown and am ok paying him. Especially since they wont be paying flowers and possibly Pugh big money. I dont think PUgh is worth big money as a OG or OT.

They have Eli for 2 years. Bring him on. Its like having Duane brown for Odigizuwa.


Not quite, because you also have to give Brown a hefty raise in addition to giving up the third to acquire him. That's what makes the premise difficult, if it were only for a third rounder he'd be gone by now.
The OL is where they should be spending big FA money  
Go Terps : 10/7/2017 2:16 pm : link
It stands to reason, since they struggle to draft well there.

The problem is we've spent big money where we draft well: defensive line.
so where are all the headlines about this today  
micky : 10/7/2017 2:21 pm : link
you know if it were "true" there'd be headlines or other outlets talking about this?
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pjcas18 : 10/7/2017 2:27 pm : link
RE: The OL is where they should be spending big FA money  
widmerseyebrow : 10/7/2017 2:29 pm : link
In comment 13634383 Go Terps said:
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It stands to reason, since they struggle to draft well there.

The problem is we've spent big money where we draft well: defensive line.


They struggle to select quality free agents as well. They need to identify the weaknesses of their talent evaluation before they commit any kind of premium picks or cap space to the position.

Also,do we draft well on the defensive line, namely end? Save for one or two seasons of your favorite player JPP, I would argue that we've been pretty weak there as well since Tuck and Umenyiora got old and retired, left.
RE: RE: Giants have developed institutional arrogance  
Carson53 : 10/7/2017 5:30 pm : link
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"institutional arrogance" requires a bit more clarification. Every team in the league has a philosophy they stick to. You could say this for just about any franchise.
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How 'bout not firing a GM since 1979, does that qualify?
You can't say that about other franchise in the 4 major sports, let alone franchises in the NFL!
It is absolutely ludicrous to me.
RE: RE: RE: Giants have developed institutional arrogance  
section125 : 10/7/2017 5:40 pm : link
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"institutional arrogance" requires a bit more clarification. Every team in the league has a philosophy they stick to. You could say this for just about any franchise.

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How 'bout not firing a GM since 1979, does that qualify?
You can't say that about other franchise in the 4 major sports, let alone franchises in the NFL!
It is absolutely ludicrous to me.


Stability is ludicrous? The Steelers have had 3 head coaches since 1969, iirc....
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Carson53 : 10/7/2017 5:54 pm : link
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"institutional arrogance" requires a bit more clarification. Every team in the league has a philosophy they stick to. You could say this for just about any franchise.

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How 'bout not firing a GM since 1979, does that qualify?
You can't say that about other franchise in the 4 major sports, let alone franchises in the NFL!
It is absolutely ludicrous to me.



Stability is ludicrous? The Steelers have had 3 head coaches since 1969, iirc....
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When it's not working it is, not saying go all Cleveland Browns around here, but it hasn't been working.
Stability around these parts is also a synonym for stubbornness, and you picked the one franchise who are
like two peas in a pod with this franchise in a lot of ways.
What about the other 4 major sports, they all have it wrong,
and the Giants have it right, got it now.
Patience and/or stability are not synonyms for stubbornness.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/7/2017 7:53 pm : link
It kind of makes it seem like you don't actually have a sense of perspective for how very unsuccessful almost every other franchise in the NFL has been in the same timeframe.

Who are the franchises who have impressed you with their management style, and how successful are they? Who do you feel does it right or better? Because every team blows draft picks, or has a deficiency in some area. We can argue left and right about what you think the giants got wrong or right here and there and there are things they absolutely do poorly, but if you legitimately feel like things are just so dreadful, you should spend some time around other franchises and see the things they screw up and the consistent futility.

Nobody should be happy with the results for the Giants in 2017 so far, but one should take a hard look at how other places do it and how well that's worked out over the past 13 years before going 'woe is me' over how the Giants operate.
What is so disconcerting about this team is how completely  
Jimmy Googs : 10/7/2017 8:15 pm : link
"unready" they were to start this season and the 1st QTR of every game thus far.

And we are not talking about that many new players getting snaps.

Coaches have to look hard at themselves on this one because those players aren't ready for work when the Star Spangled Banner finishes...

RE: Patience and/or stability are not synonyms for stubbornness.  
Carson53 : 10/7/2017 9:47 pm : link
In comment 13634549 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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It kind of makes it seem like you don't actually have a sense of perspective for how very unsuccessful almost every other franchise in the NFL has been in the same timeframe.

Who are the franchises who have impressed you with their management style, and how successful are they? Who do you feel does it right or better? Because every team blows draft picks, or has a deficiency in some area. We can argue left and right about what you think the giants got wrong or right here and there and there are things they absolutely do poorly, but if you legitimately feel like things are just so dreadful, you should spend some time around other franchises and see the things they screw up and the consistent futility.

Nobody should be happy with the results for the Giants in 2017 so far, but one should take a hard look at how other places do it and how well that's worked out over the past 13 years before going 'woe is me' over how the Giants operate.
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You will change your tune when you have watched this organization a lot longer than you have presently.
I am not saying 'woe is me', saying it is a philosophical difference in my view. It started a few years ago for me.
You are wrong in presuming it's about 2017, very wrong in fact.
When you are not going to make the playoffs, 6 out 8 years, doesn't appear to be working. It appears that is stubbornness, do you have a better word for it, use it.
If you like the 'stability' that goes with that, good for you! A lot of people have wanted the GM gone, so I am far from alone on here in that regard.
He has fucked up twice in the last 5 years, but let's
have stability. Some of you have the fear of the unknown,
I don't subscribe to that mindset.
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Jim in Forest Hills : 10/8/2017 9:57 am : link
In comment 13634310 jcn56 said:
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you have to factor that they cant get it right at OT with a 1st rounder, Flowers, Pugh.

IMO Is rather those cap dollars go to Brown than Flowers or Pugh, thats how I justify it.
I can stomach a 3rd for Brown and am ok paying him. Especially since they wont be paying flowers and possibly Pugh big money. I dont think PUgh is worth big money as a OG or OT.

They have Eli for 2 years. Bring him on. Its like having Duane brown for Odigizuwa.



Not quite, because you also have to give Brown a hefty raise in addition to giving up the third to acquire him. That's what makes the premise difficult, if it were only for a third rounder he'd be gone by now.
Hate to give  
XBRONX : 10/8/2017 10:10 am : link
up a third round pick, Jerry has done so well in that round.
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