Giants in trade talk with Texans

isn't allowed to do anything stupid in a desperate attempt to save his job.

it's too late at this point. Would make no sense.

In comment 13632812 Capt. Don said:

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In comment 13632774 hitdog42 said: Quote: Pointless It would be pointless if he were playing out the last year in his contract. But it wouldnt be pointless if we could secure him for the next three years.

I agree with this if the priority is to make another run with Eli. You wont find a better LT in FA this year. Maybe you draft one early, but they would still take time an may never reach Browns level. The big question is cost (in draft picks and in contract cost).

In comment 13632816 ryanmkeane said:

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a solid OL class in this year's draft, I wouldn't part with any high picks for this guy.

I totally understand not parting with a high pick, but counting on the OL in the draft is part of what got us in this mess in the first place. Premium OL picks aren't a guarantee to work out and I prefer we draft players, not positions.

All it will do is help us win 1 or 2 games. We should just play out the year get our draft picks and rebuild. Don't trade for an aging high priced left tackle.

trade him for a draft pick. Pay him $9 million. Then put him on IR when the pulls a hammy.

They should have made a desperation move in the preseason when it was obvious they need help on the line.

I see what you're saying. But we are 0-4. Parting with a high pick for an aging lineman (no matter how good) probably isn't the best way to go. We passed on OL the past 2 drafts.

In comment 13632794 HomerJones45 said:

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In comment 13632747 jcn56 said: Quote: You guys realize that Mara signs off on these moves, right? Do you think that whatever our record is, Chris Mara is leaving the team? And with him there regardless, do you think he'd sign off on some desperation move that could hurt the team if the only aim was a longshot to save people's jobs? Think before you post people... The chances of this being true are highly unlikely in the first place, but even if, it's not two guys in a vacuum jeopardizing the team's long term future without anyone holding them in check. Yes, No and Yes. They don't want to look like fools after spending 200 million, handing the reins over to a novice and keeping Jerry Reach.

Man, you love your talking points. I can imagine you're similarly useless in conversations about political and current evennts.

Don't be surprised to see the Giants make a deal with another team instead...

Getting a starting quality OLT via trade is FINE with me if they get a few seasons out of the guy.

Given the Giants propensity for miss evaluating OL prospects, not spending high picks on OLs with high floors and modest ceilings, and for standing-pat and letting people trade in front of them and pick their pockets, getting an immediate starter at OLT would be a nice pickup, so long as it isn't a costly, one-year rental. Think BEYOND this year. There's no guarantee they're going to be able to upgrade the position via FA (the Giants already know who will be available), OR get an immediate upgrade via the draft.

Yeah, it would have been nice for this to have happened long ago, but maybe this guy/situation wasn't available long ago.

In comment 13632735 Britt in VA said:

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and would reek of desperation.

Or, a thank you to Eli Manning as in "we want to keep you alive for 2018."

I wouldn't make the move, haven't we even given up a low round pick for next year already?

Anything higher than a five would be a horrible decision.

...would never float a BS rumour to try to gain a millimeter of additional leverage, would he?

No point in giving up anything of value.

In comment 13632874 David B. said:

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Getting a starting quality OLT via trade is FINE with me if they get a few seasons out of the guy. Given the Giants propensity for miss evaluating OL prospects, not spending high picks on OLs with high floors and modest ceilings, and for standing-pat and letting people trade in front of them and pick their pockets, getting an immediate starter at OLT would be a nice pickup, so long as it isn't a costly, one-year rental. Think BEYOND this year. There's no guarantee they're going to be able to upgrade the position via FA (the Giants already know who will be available), OR get an immediate upgrade via the draft. Yeah, it would have been nice for this to have happened long ago, but maybe this guy/situation wasn't available long ago.

Actually, a pretty good point. Esp if you feel in next year's draft, no one will be ready to step in at LT....which is one of the toughest positions to nail down.

This guy could conceivably play 3-4 more years.

In comment 13632881 jeff57 said:

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No point in giving up anything of value.

I'd give up a 5th rounder, no more, but f we sign him say today (hypothetically), he likely would not be ready to play until AFTER the bye week. He may even struggle in a new offense, veteran or not. Had he been through camp and then held out it would be a more viable trade.

I just don't see how this is good for a guy who will be 33. Maybe he has 2 years left in him? And what do you do with Flowers? Sit him? He isn't moving to RT or RG.

Smoke here...that is all.

In comment 13632862 jcn56 said:

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In comment 13632794 HomerJones45 said: Quote: In comment 13632747 jcn56 said: Quote: You guys realize that Mara signs off on these moves, right? Do you think that whatever our record is, Chris Mara is leaving the team? And with him there regardless, do you think he'd sign off on some desperation move that could hurt the team if the only aim was a longshot to save people's jobs? Think before you post people... The chances of this being true are highly unlikely in the first place, but even if, it's not two guys in a vacuum jeopardizing the team's long term future without anyone holding them in check. Yes, No and Yes. They don't want to look like fools after spending 200 million, handing the reins over to a novice and keeping Jerry Reach. Man, you love your talking points. I can imagine you're similarly useless in conversations about political and current evennts.

Sorry Reese and MacAdoo are making you and your predictions look clueless. You'll learn how things work as you gain more experience in the world.

they're both kinda picking up from where they left off with TC, frontloading the losses instead.

Before Brown is ready to play. You are not doing this for this year. Sonthink teice.

In comment 13632716 jcn56 said:

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You guys actually believe this shit? Lmaooo

yeah now trade for an aging vet at 0-4 ... the season is lost, keep the picks

Great job Reese

Would've been great to
Metnut : 9:37 am : link : reply
make this trade 3 weeks ago. Trading futures to save this season at 0-4 is a risky move. Even a 10-2 finish wouldn't guarantee playoffs.ere not going 10-2 so no sense in
spending picks on a 30 yo .
Go after a pass rusher of O-lineman next year free agency
makes no sense right now . If he was 3-4 years younger
I would say go for it.

unless it's for minimal assets.

Win now attitude? Doubt getting him at any cost is going to salvage the season at this point.

In comment 13632996 Bubba said:

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Win now attitude? Doubt getting him at any cost is going to salvage the season at this point.

all this stupid move does is lose draft picks while "helping" this team win just enough to lose a top 10 1st rounder

the season is over - this move needed to happen in July

lmao

considering Brown wouldn't be available to play until the second half of the season. Maybe team thinks it could get a couple of years out of him coinciding with Eli's window?

No more picks should be given up, they are already down 1

For no other reason than to assess what other players on the line might look like in their correct positions, evaluate the run game better, and see what Eli could truly do in this offense with a bit more time.

We will have zero answers if we go into the offseason with what we have.

In comment 13632735 Britt in VA said:

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and would reek of desperation.

This. If they leverage the future on a season that is undoubtedly lost, then this organization has officially come off the rails.

Hard to believe we are discussing the off season in early Oct. Sad but true.

or even a 5th for a starting LT. If Reese could get him for that, I would be ok with that. Having a guy on the left side capable of stabilizing the Oline going into later part of this year and next might be well worth while. Remember,they have to rebuild the Oline anyway and why not get a jump on FA now, rather then compete for services later. How’s that worked out with OLineman? Problem is twofold however. One we have to be able to sign him to a 3-4 year contract and two, we will have to move Flowers to another position he has never played in the pros!

I'd love to see a different LT out there soon but it's too late to make sense at this point.

If he can be counted on for a few years, I'd be ok giving him a Whitworth-esque contract and the Texans a high Day 3 pick. We haven't been able to get a +starter at that position since Diehl started to decline. Beggers can't be choosers.

If he's just a short term bandaid? No thanks, no pick. Duane Brown isn't winning this team the Lombardi this year and it reeks of a desperation play by a FO that fears for its job. Clawing our way to 8-8 for a guy that won't benefit the franchise longterm isn't in our best interest.

Unless it is really intended for next year, how do you expect an OL who hasn't practiced since last year to come in week 6 or later of a dismal season and make any impact?

In comment 13633103 AcesUp said:

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If he can be counted on for a few years, I'd be ok giving him a Whitworth-esque contract and the Texans a high Day 3 pick. We haven't been able to get a +starter at that position since Diehl started to decline. Beggers can't be choosers. If he's just a short term bandaid? No thanks, no pick. Duane Brown isn't winning this team the Lombardi this year and it reeks of a desperation play by a FO that fears for its job. Clawing our way to 8-8 for a guy that won't benefit the franchise longterm isn't in our best interest.

Exactly, The Horse is out of the barn. Now this poor GM wants to fix something that's way too late so he can get up in his presser during the bye week and say, "We always trying to upgrade at all positions during the season". People who think Reese is a effective GM need their thought process reviewed

as a throw in with a 4th round pick ? His keen mind can help Texans offense not score .

...and is the better player. But yeah we shouldn't have made him the #1 offseason priority. Reese is stupid.

Giants will finish 4-12
That's going to be a high 2nd and 3rd rounder for a 32yo 9milluon plus LT

Please don't do it

to the chargers we are looking at 4 and 12 for sure. Let's see what happens this week before we make a trade for a LT.

Monday morning after the Dallas game before we pissed everything away. Now? It's too risky giving up assets at 0-4 with a bunch of guys injured and the hard part of the schedule still coming up.

To make a win now move.

not 0-10

regardless of what the numbers say you go ONE game at a time. the first four were REALLY good teams....every game on schedule left is winnable....why cant we rip off 6 in a row to get to 6-4??? this is the nfl....one game at a time. i make this move for a 4th rounder AT most. wouldnt trade a high pick, but 4+ id jump on it. 3rd would take me longer to think about. if this gives us a better chance of winning now, you do it....then in april we can go a different route ie barkley and use 2nd and 3rd rouders on OL and really sets us up well for 2018.

In comment 13632891 HomerJones45 said:

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In comment 13632862 jcn56 said: Quote: In comment 13632794 HomerJones45 said: Quote: In comment 13632747 jcn56 said: Quote: You guys realize that Mara signs off on these moves, right? Do you think that whatever our record is, Chris Mara is leaving the team? And with him there regardless, do you think he'd sign off on some desperation move that could hurt the team if the only aim was a longshot to save people's jobs? Think before you post people... The chances of this being true are highly unlikely in the first place, but even if, it's not two guys in a vacuum jeopardizing the team's long term future without anyone holding them in check. Yes, No and Yes. They don't want to look like fools after spending 200 million, handing the reins over to a novice and keeping Jerry Reach. Man, you love your talking points. I can imagine you're similarly useless in conversations about political and current evennts. Sorry Reese and MacAdoo are making you and your predictions look clueless. You'll learn how things work as you gain more experience in the world.

If you only understood how ironic it is for you to call anyone else clueless, the world might reverse on its axis.

In comment 13632713 Metnut said:

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make this trade 3 weeks ago. Trading futures to save this season at 0-4 is a risky move. Even a 10-2 finish wouldn't guarantee playoffs.

Agree that it's risky, and they should have made the move before. Also, it'll take him a while to learn the offense and contribute -- he's probably not going to do much to help before the bye week.

That said, we can't both scream for O-line help and say we shouldn't go after O-line help. The season's teetering and it's not a month old yet. Yes, a 10-2 finish wouldn't guarantee playoffs, but 6-6 finish guarantees no playoffs. The front office has to show the players and fans that they're really committed to winning, every year.

Something needs go be done to upgrade. Get him on the field ASAP. There's still a lot of football left.

You were sold on this OL 4 games ago. This was supposed to be a year in which you built on 11-5 and you thought this OL was good enough. 4 games and now looking for trades?

In comment 13633273 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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You were sold on this OL 4 games ago. This was supposed to be a year in which you built on 11-5 and you thought this OL was good enough. 4 games and now looking for trades?

We're deep into the thread now, but look up a bit, the source on this rumour is somewhat cheeky.

Close the barn door after the cow has left...

But it's obviously a bad idea to add (especially) an offensive lineman 4 games into a season expecting to keep your championship hopes alive.

Maybe it's getting close to accepting that the championship window was never really there with this line. It's hard to expect the acquisition of two to four good starters in the next offseason or two when this front office hasn't been able to do that in the last 7 years.

In comment 13632820 Enzo said:

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isn't allowed to do anything stupid in a desperate attempt to save his job.

Might be Mara's desperate attempt to still win games(in my Bob Uecker voice: JUST a bit late).