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Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/6/2017 11:28 am
Ughhh....
Preview: Los Angeles Chargers at New York Giants, October 8, 2017 - ( New Window )
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The game  
Carson53 : 10/6/2017 2:24 pm : link
is not even on in my area, guess having two 0-4 teams was too much for the audience, LOL. We will show you the Bills/Bungals
instead though. Well, there is the NFL RZ.
RE: Brutally honest and accurate review.  
japanhead : 10/6/2017 2:29 pm : link

Me and many others here were attacked for stating what a gross mistake it was to take Davis Webb rather than one of the many CBs and Ss who went after him in the 3rd round. Think they could another S or a CB now on Defense? Not to mention the help on STs that those types bring?

this..

how many picks has reese burned taking QB products who never see the field, in increasingly higher rounds, and when the team has other glaring needs? woodson, bohmar, nassib (trade-up), now webb? is that it or am i missing one? is there another team in the league that does this shit repeatedly like this?

if you have a franchise QB with gas in the tank and who has never missed a start, you look to sign a veteran backup QB, call it a day, and address needs at other positions.

makes me sick
........  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 10/6/2017 2:30 pm : link
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1) Fire Reese
2) Hire new GM and player personnel people who take over the scouting, drafting, etc
3) Fire coaching staff - all of them
4) Let new GM hire his guys
5) Send Eli on his way unless the new guys really want him and have an offense that fit his remaining skill set. This is more about his age and ability to start all over again at 37 then it is intended to be a knock on him.
6) Either draft a stud QB or go with Webb
7) I am inclined to trade OBJ for the reasons already stated here but really hate to give up such a talent.
8) Heavy investment in OLine and RB


I like everything except the trade OBJ. Getting a haul of picks doesn't guarantee talented players. I remember being excited trading Shockey for picks. The picks winded up netting the GMEN Clint Sintim and the a trade up for Ramses Barden. Would've been better off keeping Shockey, as he had a few good years with New Orleans (granted he had an attitude problem with Reese). We know what we have in OBJ. An absolute game changer. Can turn a 6 yard slant into a TD. D's absolutely have to game plan him. He'd be a god send to a young QB.
I've been hoping for an Eric Editorial  
ij_reilly : 10/6/2017 2:31 pm : link
I guess the game preview serves as one.

I would like to read more of your views, outside of structure of a game preview.

Something like "the state of the Giants, how they got here, what needs to be done".

Abbreviated, of course!
CoughlinHands  
LG in NYC : 10/6/2017 2:36 pm : link
Yea, I say it with no conviction... he is such a talent... but I tend to agree that we can't throw a ton of $$ at a WR to the detriment of other positions.

so if you told me we could turn him into 2 monster Olinemen +, I would have to consider it.

Time to start thinking  
Dankbeerman : 10/6/2017 2:36 pm : link
about the next coach/gm. New brain trust new systems. Bring in someone that commands respect to run the show. Let them be the one to make the decision on Eli and the rest of our team. someone without ties to the current roster. make everyone earn their spot.

I hope Iím wrong  
bluesince56 : 10/6/2017 2:43 pm : link
but the history of this franchise is that noting will change. If Quinn is any indication of Maras thinking why would he can Resse and McAdoo? The fans need to stay home. Let the Maras be embarrassed when they play on National TV and the seats are empty.
RE: As negative as this all sounds...  
BillKo : 10/6/2017 3:32 pm : link
In comment 13632964 Eric from BBI said:
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if the Giants don't blow their last two games (they should have won them), then we're 2-2 and very much alive.

It just shows you how fragile a whole season is.


And how fragile a game preview can be!!!!

Remember what Bill Parcells said, "you're never as good as you look, and you're never as bad as you look".

The number one thing we're going to find out about this team is the coach, and if he can be a leader and keep this outfit together, salvaging something in 2017.
There's no way you trade OBJ.....  
BillKo : 10/6/2017 3:37 pm : link
....his talent on the field heavily outweighs what the negatives, which IMO are a bit inflated.

He's invaluable to Eli, and certainly to a young QB.
Trainmaster  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/6/2017 3:39 pm : link
Maybe I'm using revisionist history on 2013 since we basically got back in it until that November loss against the Cowboys. I just don't remember a season before where I said, "Man this thing is over!" and it was only October 1.
If the Giants lose at home to another 0 - 4 team, well, I think it  
SGMen : 10/6/2017 3:48 pm : link
will be a nail in Reese's coffin for sure, and likely the staff at season's end. I don't think you'll see the FO and caoching staff axed until the final games is over and we are looking at a top 8 blue chip pick.
Trainmaster....  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/6/2017 3:48 pm : link
I guess I don't recall how poorly the rest of the division started 2013. If all of the teams were struggling, we probably didn't feel completely dead this early?

RE: RE: Brutally honest and accurate review.  
Reb8thVA : 10/6/2017 3:49 pm : link
In comment 13633148 japanhead said:
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Me and many others here were attacked for stating what a gross mistake it was to take Davis Webb rather than one of the many CBs and Ss who went after him in the 3rd round. Think they could another S or a CB now on Defense? Not to mention the help on STs that those types bring?

this..

how many picks has reese burned taking QB products who never see the field, in increasingly higher rounds, and when the team has other glaring needs? woodson, bohmar, nassib (trade-up), now webb? is that it or am i missing one? is there another team in the league that does this shit repeatedly like this?

if you have a franchise QB with gas in the tank and who has never missed a start, you look to sign a veteran backup QB, call it a day, and address needs at other positions.

makes me sick
how long is this carousel of drafting DTs in the second round going to last.
"Next warning signs?"  
Marianne at PSU : 10/6/2017 3:50 pm : link
"Next warning signs? More and more players showing up on the injury report and not coming back quickly."

So true.... gotta take care of me first...
Here is a summary of 2013  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/6/2017 3:51 pm : link
just before the Giants-Cowboys game in November...

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After losing six straight to start the season, the New York Giants have won four in a row. Through hard work and perseverance, they have gone from a totally hopeless situation to an incredibly desperate one. But it is an improvement and weíll take it. During the 4-game winning streak, the goal was always the same, just get to 4-6, hope the rest of the division falters a bit, and make the Week 12 game against the Cowboys and Week 13 game against the Redskins matter. Well, the team has achieved that once-considered unlikely goal. They have made this contest against Dallas incredibly relevant for both teams.

If the Giants lose this game, their season is officially over. But I think it is Dallas that is facing more pressure. A few weeks ago they were at 4-3 and seemed the class of the division despite tough losses to the Kansas City Chiefs and Denver Broncos. Now the Cowboys are 5-5 (3-0 in the NFC East) and have fallen behind the Philadelphia Eagles. The Giants? They werenít even supposed to be able to get back into this thing. There is an incredible amount of pressure on Dallas to win this game to prevent charges of another late-season Cowboysí collapse.

The hole is still gigantic for the G-Men. They could win the next two games and still easily miss the playoffs. They almost have to run the table. But just take it one game at a time and see where the chips fall. One thing is clear: football is fun again, at least for one more weekend. This game has a playoff atmosphere to it. Who would have thought that after the Giants fell to 0-6?

Game Preview: Dallas Cowboys at New York Giants, November 24, 2013 - ( New Window )
we were absolutely brutal....  
BillKo : 10/6/2017 3:59 pm : link
in 2013.

That team won 7 games. If the rest of the NFL wasn't so horrendous, that was a 2-3 win team IMO.

This Giants team is much better.....but not might win 7 games.

Still, IMO, if you were to tear this down from a front office/coaching perspective, people would be jumping to take it over due to the roster.

There's talent here. It needs to be utilized the right way.
RE: RE: As negative as this all sounds...  
Carson53 : 10/6/2017 4:06 pm : link
In comment 13633201 BillKo said:
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In comment 13632964 Eric from BBI said:


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if the Giants don't blow their last two games (they should have won them), then we're 2-2 and very much alive.

It just shows you how fragile a whole season is.



And how fragile a game preview can be!!!!

Remember what Bill Parcells said, "you're never as good as you look, and you're never as bad as you look".

The number one thing we're going to find out about this team is the coach, and if he can be a leader and keep this outfit together, salvaging something in 2017.


Parcells also said, "you are what your record says you are".
RE: RE: RE: As negative as this all sounds...  
BillKo : 10/6/2017 4:11 pm : link
In comment 13633242 Carson53 said:
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In comment 13633201 BillKo said:


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In comment 13632964 Eric from BBI said:


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if the Giants don't blow their last two games (they should have won them), then we're 2-2 and very much alive.

It just shows you how fragile a whole season is.



And how fragile a game preview can be!!!!

Remember what Bill Parcells said, "you're never as good as you look, and you're never as bad as you look".

The number one thing we're going to find out about this team is the coach, and if he can be a leader and keep this outfit together, salvaging something in 2017.



Parcells also said, "you are what your record says you are".


Yep, and that's at the end of the season.

Until then, it's the head coaches job to make it work.

This is a huge test.....it's just not x's and o's when you're the main guy.

If this goes south and we don't see players responding, then a change very well could be in order.
Nice honest preview Eric.  
Tark10 : 10/6/2017 4:48 pm : link
Sounds more like a eulogy.. of the season.... Feels like 1973 again...
BillKo  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/6/2017 4:50 pm : link
I would agree with that.... this team is far more talented than the 2013 squad. That's why this is so frustrating.

We clearly were not ready to play the season. Now it 1/4 over.
RE: we were absolutely brutal....  
FStubbs : 10/6/2017 5:08 pm : link
In comment 13633238 BillKo said:
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in 2013.

That team won 7 games. If the rest of the NFL wasn't so horrendous, that was a 2-3 win team IMO.

This Giants team is much better.....but not might win 7 games.

Still, IMO, if you were to tear this down from a front office/coaching perspective, people would be jumping to take it over due to the roster.

There's talent here. It needs to be utilized the right way.


They'd have to go 7-5 over the last 12 to get to 7-9.
...  
christian : 10/6/2017 5:12 pm : link
I was talking to my old man the other day about this -- this team has the makings of "good thing the Giants aren't in the playoffs, they would be dangerous."

I could see us rolling off 6 or 7 in a row and not make it in.
Eric, No Argument That 2017 0-4 Feels  
Trainmaster : 10/6/2017 5:50 pm : link
worse / more final than 2013.

I'm about to join the Fire McAdoonothing crowd.

The team is no longer playing for season  
UberAlias : 10/6/2017 7:30 pm : link
They're playing for beyond.

If McAdoo doesn't survive I don't think you can stop there. If the administration fails, you pretty much have to clean house.

The only way I can see to evaluate it is, do we have what it takes to make another run with this coach and this core under Eli. If the answer is no, you need move on, front office on down.
RE: BillKo  
Dankbeerman : 10/6/2017 7:47 pm : link
In comment 13633282 Eric from BBI said:
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I would agree with that.... this team is far more talented than the 2013 squad. That's why this is so frustrating.

We clearly were not ready to play the season. Now it 1/4 over.


not ready is the is the key, time to question the way Mac ran camp and preaseason games. guys would have more reps under TC
Still working my way through the review...  
Dan in the Springs : 10/6/2017 7:48 pm : link
I understand the sentiment behind this, but haven't yet allowed myself to agree with this:
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The Giants are no longer really playing for the post-season but their own jobs.


If the Giants win this weekend (and they can), and the Eagles lose this weekend (and they can), the Giants are suddenly two games back with 11 to play. Why does this mean that our playoff hopes are doomed?

What's clear is that hopes for double-digit wins are smashed. Yet this year, this division just doesn't look all that impressive. 9-7, or even 8-8 could possibly win it.

Philly needed a ton of things to work out right for them to escape with a win against us at home. They're 3-1. I'd feel worse if Dallas was 3-1, but they're not. Dallas is 2 games ahead of us, and could very easily be only 1 game ahead of us after Sunday, with a rematch in our own stadium.

I know people are going to slam me for hanging on to hope. They'll point to the countless plays over the first four games where we didn't look like an NFL-caliber team. I respond by pointing out that we've shown offensive improvement, that the defense is still capably built, and that the law of averages says that the breaks should start going our way at some point soon.

I acknowledge that this is wishful thinking, but hell, I wait all year for Giants games. Instead of thinking about being winless, I'm half-full thinking that we're only two games back by choice. Why not?
RE: BillKo  
SGMen : 10/6/2017 7:50 pm : link
In comment 13633282 Eric from BBI said:
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I would agree with that.... this team is far more talented than the 2013 squad. That's why this is so frustrating.

We clearly were not ready to play the season. Now it 1/4 over.
Starting 0 -2 the way we did with just "not ready for prime time" play said a lot about the coaching staff's preparation. We just came out totally flat.
Dan  
UberAlias : 10/6/2017 8:01 pm : link
Not simply 0-4, but 0-2 in the division, 0-4 in the conference.

Then there's the schedule which is brutal. Still have 3 west coast trips plus another to Denver. Game against the Chiefs Seahawks Rams, etc. I think even a few against teams coming off of bye weeks.

Too much to overcome too much stacked against a team that doesn't project as one that can overcome a lot of adversity.
In a strange way  
bradshaw44 : 10/6/2017 8:05 pm : link
That was a refreshing preview. I feel like it all needed to be said, and I'm hoping someone inside the Giants FO took the time to read it.
From your comment on the OL...  
Dan in the Springs : 10/6/2017 8:16 pm : link
this:
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No one appears to be getting better.


is 100% the problem. I've been harping on here for some time that the primary problem isn't a lack of creativity on offense, but a lack of discipline and execution. I get frustrated to no end seeing early mistakes in the blocking game. From the FO article discussed earlier:



Tell my why Jerry's first movement at the snap is AWAY from the blocker he's assigned to combo block with Flowers?



Why is Flowers first step towards the blocker that Richburg is supposed to pick up? On what planet is he supposed to recover from that move to pick up a speedy edge defender on the outside? He struggles with those when he goes straight at them?

Why does Perkins take a step away in the opposite direction of the play before turning for the handoff? Is he supposed to be "fooling" either the end or a LB who is keying on him? There are literally no other elements of confusion in this play, and the result is that Perkins has given the unblocked edge defender an extra two steps toward catching him from behind.

When I watch these things it makes me think that there are too many fixes needed, and given the time these players have had in the system, there isn't reason to believe fixes are on their way.

Having said all of that, this one exchange from yesterday's McAdoo press conference gives me hope.
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Q: Why did you eliminate the music from practice?

A: I didnít eliminate the music from practice.

Q: I guess there were periods that previously had music that did not today.

A: We structured practice a little bit differently with when we do and when we donít play music. During periods where there are fundamental emphasis and team emphasis as far as the scheme and getting the details right, we cut the music so our focus and concentration can go up, and we will re-introduce it later in the week.


One thing I know as a math educator - people simply cannot concentrate and learn when instructed with music playing. Although playing music may be popular with the players, and may even result in better practices, it is NOT helping players learn and understand what is being taught. This may turn out to be one of the best lessons McAdoo learns in his young coaching career. Turn the music off when you want to teach. And coaching is mostly teaching. Turn the music back on when you want players to perform.

Maybe, just maybe, we will have fewer mistakes this week. Maybe players will begin to understand what they're being told. I'm going to hold out hope for this.
On the money Eric  
Dave on the UWS : 10/6/2017 8:25 pm : link
And the roster analysis is an indictment of Reese. I hate the idea of cleaning house but itís time. That means Manning too he should bring back decent picks in a trade. Sadly I donít think Mara has the guts to go this route.
RE: Dan  
Dan in the Springs : 10/6/2017 8:26 pm : link
In comment 13633657 UberAlias said:
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Not simply 0-4, but 0-2 in the division, 0-4 in the conference.

Then there's the schedule which is brutal. Still have 3 west coast trips plus another to Denver. Game against the Chiefs Seahawks Rams, etc. I think even a few against teams coming off of bye weeks.

Too much to overcome too much stacked against a team that doesn't project as one that can overcome a lot of adversity.


Yes - it's clearly too much to hope for a wild card.

I don't know about the rest of it though. We need to get on a roll. We don't have to go 12-0, we've got to be three games better than PHI, and two games better than WASH and DAL to have a chance. This weekend those numbers very easily could shrink. We need them to. This can happen.

I'm not afraid of any team on the schedule. We might lose to all of them. I've been watching a TON of football right now, and SEA or OAK don't look as scary as I thought they would going into the season. AZ is a beatable team. Even KC had their struggles going up against WASH for a while, and we get to play them at home. The Rams? Yes, they've improved, but they can be beat. DEN in Denver is a very tough draw, I admit. But it's all about getting on a roll, and in the end, a lot of these matchups will be altered by health.

It's too early to rule out the postseason altogether is my point. I'd be very afraid if Dallas was 4-0. But with them possibly at 2-3 and us at 1-4, why worry about them? We almost beat Philly a couple of weeks ago in Philly. If we're 1-4 and they're 3-2, I'm not handing them the division. They're going to have to earn it.

The FIRST game of the year was our worst so far. By a lot. That gives me hope that we're getting better.

I admit I may be alone in hoping for this. Sunday night we're either all going to be hanging our heads, or maybe, just maybe there may be more feeling like I do. This division is still up for grabs, and the Giants still have a chance, even at 0-4.
LB Curtis Grant wearing # 58 now.  
NYGBlue42 : 10/6/2017 10:08 pm : link
seen it in the practice photo section this week on Giants.com.
This preview  
rocco8112 : 10/7/2017 5:53 am : link
is spot on. Sad state of affairs. I would like to remain optimistic but right now the Giants are one of the worst teams in the NFL.

"... this team is as one dimensional as it gets outside of the arena league..." Perfectly stated and pathetic as all hell. The Giants are the worst running team in the NFL. Playing the Giants is like half a bye week for the opposition. They likely do not even have to wash their jerseys the Giants are so tissue paper soft on offense. The Giants have one rushing TD this year and it is Eli's. I think they have seven total rushing TD's the past two seasons and first quarter of this one. Pathetic.

I loved this defense last year, but it seems it was a flash in the pan. It is past time to blow this all up and bring in a whole new front office and coaching staff.

I hope 5he


This preview  
rocco8112 : 10/7/2017 5:56 am : link
is spot on. Sad state of affairs. I would like to remain optimistic but right now the Giants are one of the worst teams in the NFL.

"... this team is as one dimensional as it gets outside of the arena league..." Perfectly stated and pathetic as all hell. The Giants are the worst running team in the NFL. Playing the Giants is like half a bye week for the opposition. They likely do not even have to wash their jerseys the Giants are so tissue paper soft on offense. The Giants have one rushing TD this year and it is Eli's. I think they have seven total rushing TD's the past two seasons and first quarter of this one. Pathetic.

I loved this defense last year, but it seems it was a flash in the pan.

I hope the Giants can string some wins together and keep it interesting, but I think it is more likely this whole thing bottoms out.



Bottom line:  
DG : 10/7/2017 6:42 am : link
This team lacks talent, and a poor scouting dept/GM/ooaching triumvirate is helping it maximize it's talent.

QB-Eli is Eli. Still capable of running an offense well. I'd consider trading him to a better team to do him a solid at the end of a very good run and 2 SBs. I will always love Eli.

OL-Giants and Ravens probably have the 2 worst OLs in the league.
RB-below average. Gallman is going to be productive.
WR-really the only above-average unit on the team.
STs-well below average.
DL-below average. no depth which again is an indictment of Reese and scouting.
DBs-average. I'm not concerned about # 21. He's playing next to the worst FSs in the league. Apple does not have football intelligence. He's average at best and makes critical mistakes.

The Eagles and Bucs games could have also been worse losses. The Bucs were missing three key defenders and the Eagles lost Cox who always kills us.
LB-well below average.
Not  
DG : 10/7/2017 6:43 am : link
helping maximize its talent.
WR & TE and (arguably at this point in time) QB,  
DG : 10/7/2017 6:48 am : link
together are the only area of the team that is above-average.

DBs are really being hamstrung by the problem at FS.

Thompson was over-drafted. Posters who know much more about football than I ever will were saying this from the beginning. Adams is out of position regularly. This is going to make Collins' play look worse than it is.

Thanks Eric, for the dose of reality (-:
Like I said in another thread ...  
FStubbs : 10/7/2017 7:08 am : link
Take away Beckham and Eli and the 2015 Giants were worse than the 2008 Detroit Lions. They did well last year because a lot of things went right, including 3 guys on defense all having Defensive Player of the Year type seasons all at once. Now we're seeing regression to the mean there. Combined we've got one big mess and both coaching and scouting are to blame.
Hell of a preview Eric  
IIT : 10/7/2017 7:29 am : link
You searingly captured the state of the team and the fanbase. I wish it wasn't so painful.
DG  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/7/2017 9:48 am : link
I don't think the DL and DBs are below average but well above average. We have three legit Pro Bowlers in the secondary. Damon Harrison is a legit Pro Bowler. JPP and Vernon are good players who are not playing well. Tomlinson has a future in this league.
My miini-preview  
SGMen : 10/7/2017 9:50 am : link
I'm assuming that Vernon and JPP are either very limited or just OUT. If they are both OUT, we have zero pass rush and Rivers eats this defense up.

On offense, our OL is mediocre when healthy so now that it is dinged (W. Richburg out) who is to say we can protect Eli?

Chargers 24-23 over the Giants as we fall to 0 - 5. With Denver in Denver next, I can smell 0 - 6. Seattle won't be easy either. If we did fall to 0 - 7 at the bye, well, I wonder if there would be any firings?
All Eric did was,  
Doomster : 10/7/2017 10:05 am : link
"plagiarize" all my old posts... :)

Giants are bad  
hassan : 10/7/2017 10:05 am : link
But this is too much negativity.

There is talent on this team at qb wr te d line and db. Lbs oline and rb need improving.

But I believe this team can be fixed fairly quickly and if Eli has three good years left and the Giants commit to him theycan be the competitive team they projected at beginning of year.

Mcadoo at least needs a real oc to start. If they hire a coach that is good they will want to reboot with a new system so Giants are a bit stuck here

quite frankly the blow it up sentiment happens when Giants admit they won't chase another with Eli and Odell.

Don't think they are ready to end the chase until end of next season.



"... this team is as one dimensional as it gets outside of the arena"  
HomerJones45 : 10/7/2017 11:34 am : link
is very true and I don't want to hear it. Many posters denounced the pursuit of "balance", wanted the 3 yards and a cloud of dust passing game, and were perfectly content to throw the ball 80% of the time. Well you got what you wanted and now that you see it sucks, you all are not happy.

Gallman is another ham and egger. Not big or powerful enough to be a Fournette or a Blount and not fast or quick enough to be a McCoy or Hunt. A rotational or role player, not a full time back. Don't put all your eggs in the Gallman basket.
Gallman  
hassan : 10/7/2017 11:55 am : link
Is not great but he is much better than Perkins. And keep Vereen in more. Bench Perkins he sucks.

Forgot what a great back is. Been so long for Nyg.

"Next warning signs? More and more players...  
M.S. : 10/7/2017 1:07 pm : link
...showing up on the injury report and not coming back quickly."

Eric, been watching football for more than half a century, and no truer statement can be made for a team slip sliding away.
I get the pessimism...  
AnnapolisMike : 10/7/2017 1:43 pm : link
But assuming they win this weekend and take either of the Denver and Seattle games... the coffin is not yet nailed shut. They will need help...but no team in the division is all that great and it is quite possible the division can be had at 9 or 10 wins.

If Eli looked like shit, I'd say it was OVER. But realistically, unless Philly goes on a run, the Giants are in it until they register the 8th loss.
Chargers activating RB Andre Williams up from practice squad  
Jimmy Googs : 10/7/2017 8:52 pm : link
we are sunk...
Watch Hunter Henry and Antonio Gates go off  
Jimmy Googs : 10/7/2017 8:54 pm : link
in this game as well.

Tight Ends vs. NY Giant LBs & Safeties are a fantasy football guru's wet dream...
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