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Ben McAdoo not on hot seat despite Giants' slow start

RockSoldier72 : 10/8/2017 11:22 am
This man has lost 4 straight games that we could've easily won 2 of the 4 games with the right play calls on offense. Today I think will be the day if we lose something has to go down in that front office. We are playing another a team that is 0-4 just like us, so if we don't win today I except McAdoo to be on the hot seat despite what Ian Rapport said.

What are your thoughts on McAdoo & the front office?
Ben McAdoo not on hot seat despite Giants' slow start - ( New Window )
I would not expect anything else to come from the Giants at this stage  
montanagiant : 10/8/2017 11:25 am : link
This is not an ownership that is reactionary. Even though we are 0-4 there is still 3/4's of a season left
This coaching set up is exactly  
steve in ky : 10/8/2017 11:29 am : link
What Mara and Reese have spend a number of these past seasons positioning for. Firing him this quick would indict themselves as much as anyone so for that reason alone I think McAdoo will have a very long rope.
McAdoo Tom Quinn  
UberAlias : 10/8/2017 11:30 am : link
Bobby Hart John Jerry Paul Perkins.

These guys are untouchable. How in good conscious can we root for this to continue?

It takes a hell of a lot for me to root for this team to lose. I have to say, I'm there. This is just brutal.
MacAdoo  
joeinpa : 10/8/2017 11:42 am : link
Have some success as the Giants OC. They went 11-5 in his first season as head coach.

To overreact to the 0-4 start would be irresponsible. That s what fans do.
Would you prefer they operate as the Cleveland Browns?  
Sean : 10/8/2017 11:43 am : link
In January 2007 the majority here cancelled their DirectTV NFL ticket because Coughlin was bought back. Everyone wanted Charlie Weiss to fix Eli. That was a fun thread.
RE: This coaching set up is exactly  
HomerJones45 : 10/8/2017 11:45 am : link
In comment 13634854 steve in ky said:
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What Mara and Reese have spend a number of these past seasons positioning for. Firing him this quick would indict themselves as much as anyone so for that reason alone I think McAdoo will have a very long rope.
You've got to be kidding.
Reese should be the one on the hot seat  
jeff57 : 10/8/2017 11:49 am : link
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Why would firing him implicate  
UConn4523 : 10/8/2017 11:50 am : link
Mara and Reese? Fans are just getting ridiculous with this notion that coaches and GMs not being fired or players not being benched means it's because it would be an admission of a mistake. So. Fucking. Stupid.

Just apply that logic to everything just to see how dumb it is.
...  
christian : 10/8/2017 11:50 am : link
How many 4 game losing streak did the previous head coach have?
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jeff57 : 10/8/2017 11:52 am : link
In comment 13634867 christian said:
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How many 4 game losing streak did the previous head coach have?

Several.
RE: RE: This coaching set up is exactly  
steve in ky : 10/8/2017 11:56 am : link
In comment 13634862 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 13634854 steve in ky said:


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What Mara and Reese have spend a number of these past seasons positioning for. Firing him this quick would indict themselves as much as anyone so for that reason alone I think McAdoo will have a very long rope.

You've got to be kidding.


You don't think that they had looked as McAdoo as a potential HC in waiting? That they now will likely choose to believe in their plan for the Giants going forward and choose patience in wanting to see it through opposed to doing an about face in firing him quickly.
RE: MacAdoo  
Jerz44 : 10/8/2017 12:04 pm : link
In comment 13634860 joeinpa said:
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Have some success as the Giants OC. They went 11-5 in his first season as head coach.

To overreact to the 0-4 start would be irresponsible. That s what fans do.


McAdoo doesn't pass the sniff test. He's been a bad HC since day 1. He's now 21 games into his career and has looked bad in almost all. When do you think it's responsible to start doubting whether he's any good?

Norv Turner and Wade Phillips were both great coordinators, but they also were terrible head coaches. It's not a given McAdoo would be good.
however a firing if things do not improve  
mdc1 : 10/8/2017 12:14 pm : link
will send a pretty good message and light a fire under quite a few. Right now, there are no consequences for losing it seems. No one seems uncomfortable or they do a good job of hiding it.
a slow start is generous.  
NoPeanutz : 10/8/2017 12:14 pm : link
When I hear slow start, I think 1-3 or 2-2.
0-4 is a non-start.
RE: however a firing if things do not improve  
mdc1 : 10/8/2017 12:30 pm : link
In comment 13634899 mdc1 said:
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will send a pretty good message and light a fire under quite a few. Right now, there are no consequences for losing it seems. No one seems uncomfortable or they do a good job of hiding it.


Interesting thing is that they could promote Spags to HC and he would probably do a better job.
RE: Why would firing him implicate  
steve in ky : 10/8/2017 12:30 pm : link
In comment 13634866 UConn4523 said:
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Mara and Reese? Fans are just getting ridiculous with this notion that coaches and GMs not being fired or players not being benched means it's because it would be an admission of a mistake. So. Fucking. Stupid.

Just apply that logic to everything just to see how dumb it is.


You're missing the larger part of my point. I didn't say "implicate", I said indict.

They spent years preparing the organization for the direction it would take post TC. McAdoo goes 11-5 in year one and then after a slow start for them to abandon all that and fire him it would be the antithesis of the stability the Giants are known for, and if they went that route they would indict themselves for the entire situation they would then find themselves in.

They Giants aren't going to fire McAdoo mid season. It would take something much more colossal than a slow start for them to even seriously consider doing so.
I agree that firing him mid-season is unlikely.  
TC : 10/8/2017 12:43 pm : link
Why should they? Who do they have on the coaching staff now that would be any better? Spags? Who's going to be his OC, Sullivan?

Even if this is a bad situation, firing Big Mac at this point isn't going to improve it. If he goes, I expect a majority of the coaching staff to join him.

And I wouldn't be surprised if Reese finally joins the exodus.
Well, you...just............  
MBavaro : 10/8/2017 12:44 pm : link
go ahead and....think that......I guess......
RE: Why would firing him implicate  
HomerJones45 : 10/8/2017 12:46 pm : link
In comment 13634866 UConn4523 said:
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Mara and Reese? Fans are just getting ridiculous with this notion that coaches and GMs not being fired or players not being benched means it's because it would be an admission of a mistake. So. Fucking. Stupid.

Just apply that logic to everything just to see how dumb it is.
Yeah, you're right kid; organizations and the people who run them never try and hide their errors and are always forthright in admitting when they have screwed up. They are also more than willing to be held up for public ridicule.
Every coach  
HBart : 10/8/2017 1:01 pm : link
Has a learning curve when transitioning from a coordinator position to a head coaching job. McAdoo's play calling is incredibly puzzling but:
- like any new leader he's still creating his own set of people, process and product which has included mistakes (and one of his puzzling play calls actually worked)
- the prior regime also made similar head scratching in-game decisions, largely around clock management and a seeming lack of situational awareness. In TCs case I always felt he needed a game-day "SVP of paying attention" ; in McAdoo's case it seems more like a work in progress of how to make this collection of players win (see next point)
- he has a horrific o-line and no real running back. He may correctly be surmising that he needs to come up with an offensive theory built around an inability to win the LOS (because good OL play may be a thing of the past under the current rules), and by definition that's a difficult proposition
- he has the same exact mix of his best players making a frustratingly high percentage of negative impact plays along with their positive ones as we had under the prior regime. This may be the players, the traits instilled by the prior regime, or the simple fact that we play closer attention to our team and that's just the way the modern NFL is
- an inability to win the LOS, a QB who's immobile and has always been prone to more and lower lows than most good QBs and no RB may simply lead to the result we've seen to date: inconsistency of results because of low margin of error
- we really were shafted by refs and the time keeper the last couple of weeks and those errors are outside the coach and players control and very hard to overcome


After 12 games we'll see if he deserves to be on the hot seat. Right now there aren't many conclusions to draw other than the team has a fundamental inability to run the ball due to player personnel (and only management knows why that is).
Not about firing him mid season  
UberAlias : 10/8/2017 1:01 pm : link
But if the Giants fall to 0-5 after losing to less talented 0-4 Chargers at home, this guy had better be in the hot seat. You think things are ugly now, be prepared for implosion if they don't win today.
RE: RE: Why would firing him implicate  
UConn4523 : 10/8/2017 1:13 pm : link
In comment 13634931 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 13634866 UConn4523 said:


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Mara and Reese? Fans are just getting ridiculous with this notion that coaches and GMs not being fired or players not being benched means it's because it would be an admission of a mistake. So. Fucking. Stupid.

Just apply that logic to everything just to see how dumb it is.

Yeah, you're right kid; organizations and the people who run them never try and hide their errors and are always forthright in admitting when they have screwed up. They are also more than willing to be held up for public ridicule.


Why are you obsessed with Mara or Reese running to the podium to admit anything to you? I can't comprehend that line of thinking; its sports.
He's looking like a real keeper  
UberAlias : 10/8/2017 2:39 pm : link
Ugggghh
RE: I would not expect anything else to come from the Giants at this stage  
LAXin : 10/8/2017 3:03 pm : link
In comment 13634852 montanagiant said:
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This is not an ownership that is reactionary.


In other words, this is not an ownership who is proactive.

Frankly, I dont know if these second-generation owners who had the team gift-wrapped to them have the will or ability to do a clean-house, even thought it is painfully obvious that such an act is needed. Do they even want to do the work? The money is still the same and guaranteed.
SLOW START  
old man : 10/8/2017 3:06 pm : link
means 1-3/2-4.
This team hasn't gotten off the starting block yet.
RE: RE: RE: Why would firing him implicate  
LAXin : 10/8/2017 3:11 pm : link
In comment 13634983 UConn4523 said:
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Why are you obsessed with Mara or Reese running to the podium to admit anything to you? I can't comprehend that line of thinking; its sports.


To correct a mistake -- especially a gigantic and fundamental mistake -- one has to first readily admit that he made a gigantic and fundamental mistake, does he not???

That is the necessary first step, and frankly, the easiest step. The real difficult work comes after this.

How...  
OBJRoyal : 10/8/2017 4:32 pm : link
About after this loss to go 0-5
It is John and Chris Mara that need to be firef  
Vanzetti : 10/8/2017 5:07 pm : link
But unfortunately they own the team, so it ainít happening

We should all be rooting for 0-16 so they are forced to reevaluate
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