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Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/8/2017 4:23 pm
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RE: RE: RE: People ask how a new QB makes this team better?  
rocco8112 : 10/8/2017 5:09 pm : link
In comment 13636598 BigBlueShock said:
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Eli is not the only problem on this team... but a QB who is accurate and mobile would really help this team, and Eli is neither.

he misses way too many easy throws and can't do much of anything when a play breaks down. he also can't throw downfield with any consistency.

Football games come down to a handful of plays and Eli usually is responsible for the team coming down on the wrong side of those plays.




I do not share this opinion. I thought Eli played well today, and under considerable pressure and taking some shots. He was suplexed on the fumble.


Come on man. Eli overthrew guys. He threw behind guys. He seen pressure that wasn't there and he stepped into pressure that he didn't need to. Eli played terribly. It's amazing the low bar that we've set for Eli. If he makes a couple of great throws, all is good!

And before all the Eli apologists go crazy, Eli was far from the biggest problem again today. But he did not play well.


Well, I did not say he was perfect. But, he was under pressure the whole game and he hit some big time throws. As far as stepping into pressure, I thought he moved well in the pocket at times and the "stepping" into pressure was often him moving from where the original pressure was coming from only to move into another rusher because the line kinda sucks.

Overall the Giants are bad team and Eli is caught up in all of that. But, he seems very far down the list of problems today.

Today did suck though, one of the worst days I can remember for the G-men.

Also, on the game thread and elsewhere many claim Eli throws helped the injuries along. Well, those are fluke injuries. The slant to Beckham was a bit high, but he leaves his feet all the time regardless. You would think Eli was the most inaccurate passer in the NFL and when I watch other games and compare QB's to Eli I do not see that at all.

Is Ernie the wig  
mdc1 : 10/8/2017 5:10 pm : link
still consulting, if so, somebody needs to make a call to go through player eval inclusive of putting them in REAL games and what they need next season.
A new shiny QB  
WillVAB : 10/8/2017 5:16 pm : link
Would be the next David Carr in McAdoo's shitty scheme behind this shitty OL. People are nuts.
nicky and rocco  
LG in NYC : 10/8/2017 5:17 pm : link
yes, he was under pressure - but all QB's face pressure.

what was much more obvious and problematic was his inability to escape any of that pressure, but more than that... were the absolute mis throws (high, long, before the receiver was ready) he made all day long.

he set up both SS and OBJ's injury plays with his inaccurate throws, and was missing wide open RB's in the flat all afternoon...never mind the long throws he missed in the 1st half that may have changed the complexion of the game.
biggest issue  
bc4life : 10/8/2017 5:18 pm : link
is O-Line - with QB with limited mobility - you have to be able to run the ball.

How did defense get this bad in one year?
Fractured left ankle for Odell  
Simms11 : 10/8/2017 5:18 pm : link
Heís definitely out for the year. Just hope he can come back from that next year
Tavrres King  
Carson53 : 10/8/2017 5:19 pm : link
call him, looks like Beckham is done for the season.
Need a couple WR's signed this week.
RE: RE: actually Eli was one of the bigger problems today  
Bleedin Blue : 10/8/2017 5:21 pm : link
In comment 13636678 nicky43 said:
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Bullshit. He was on his back most of the day because he's playing behind a high school quality o-line or worse!



HOLY SHIT!!! Why don't we just trade Eli now, so he does t have to put up with this god awful shit offensive line! and we don't have to listen to all this Eli is the fucking problem with this team!! Give me a fucking break! The guy is getting killed out there, and he was pretty mobile out there when he could run for his life!!!
I think theyíll have to call up Eagan too  
Simms11 : 10/8/2017 5:23 pm : link
as he has experience as a returner and didnít look too bad in pre-season. Not much of a receiver, but Harris didnít play receiver all that much either.

And so we might be looking at Lewis as the #1 next week! Wow wtf!
RE: I think theyíll have to call up Eagan too  
mdc1 : 10/8/2017 5:30 pm : link
In comment 13636789 Simms11 said:
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as he has experience as a returner and didnít look too bad in pre-season. Not much of a receiver, but Harris didnít play receiver all that much either.

And so we might be looking at Lewis as the #1 next week! Wow wtf!


It will be good to see what Lewis can do when a DC is paying attention to him in a lineup and game prep. Right now, he looks good, but is he like a Beasley and nobody pays attention until he is unaccounted for and burns your ass.

Will this Beckham injury end up giving McAdoo a pass?  
Dave in PA : 10/8/2017 5:34 pm : link
Regardless of the 0-4 start with OBJ, I feel like that will largely be forgotten in 3 months. Not sure it even matters who coaches this team next year.
Mc will be back next year  
bc4life : 10/8/2017 5:42 pm : link
Might have new OC, new OLine coach maybe even a new DC
The worst part about the first 5 games is the  
Simms11 : 10/8/2017 5:46 pm : link
Jets are 3-2? and the Eagles are 4-1...... damn this season hurts!
Apologies if this was already discussed but  
malslayer : 10/8/2017 5:54 pm : link
Did anyone else see apple on sideline laughing while the rest of his teammates looked shocked, deflated, and dejected?
RE: RE: Where was Engram n the offense  
Photoguy : 10/8/2017 6:05 pm : link
In comment 13636617 Carson53 said:
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Good question!



I've been waiting for the seam pass to the TE all year. That's all we heard about. I really don't know, because I don't get to see every game. How many times have we actually run that play?
RE: RE: RE: actually Eli was one of the bigger problems today  
EricJ : 10/8/2017 6:14 pm : link
In comment 13636772 Bleedin Blue said:
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HOLY SHIT!!! Why don't we just trade Eli now, so he does t have to put up with this god awful shit offensive line!


I am pretty sure you were being sarcastic. However, if there is anyone out there with thoughts of trading Eli... who would make that trade and who would take Eli's contract?
So.......as it stands  
Photoguy : 10/8/2017 6:19 pm : link
right now, Roger Lewis is the lone surviving WR? Is there any late word on Shep, Marshall, and Harris?

RE: The worst part about the first 5 games is the  
compton : 10/8/2017 6:24 pm : link
In comment 13636924 Simms11 said:
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Jets are 3-2? and the Eagles are 4-1...... damn this season hurts!


No, the worst thing about this season is the 0-5 start by the Giants. Who gives a shit about the Jets. Would you have felt better if the Jets and Eagles were 0-5?
The injuries will be part of the reason this team will suck  
Matt M. : 10/8/2017 6:26 pm : link
the rest of the way. But, they won't be the only reason and they aren't the reason the Giants lost. Once again, the D cam up short in the second half, INT aside.
RE: So.......as it stands  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/8/2017 6:36 pm : link
In comment 13637047 Photoguy said:
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right now, Roger Lewis is the lone surviving WR? Is there any late word on Shep, Marshall, and Harris?


Harris has a fractured foot. Marshall a sprained ankle.
RE: RE: The worst part about the first 5 games is the  
Matt M. : 10/8/2017 6:38 pm : link
In comment 13637068 compton said:
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Jets are 3-2? and the Eagles are 4-1...... damn this season hurts!



No, the worst thing about this season is the 0-5 start by the Giants. Who gives a shit about the Jets. Would you have felt better if the Jets and Eagles were 0-5?
Agreed. Who gives a rat's ass about the Jets?
Missed the stats  
XBRONX : 10/8/2017 6:44 pm : link
Did JPP add to his sack total for the year?
RE: RE: RE: RE: actually Eli was one of the bigger problems today  
Bleedin Blue : 10/8/2017 6:46 pm : link
In comment 13637031 EricJ said:
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HOLY SHIT!!! Why don't we just trade Eli now, so he does t have to put up with this god awful shit offensive line!



I am pretty sure you were being sarcastic. However, if there is anyone out there with thoughts of trading Eli... who would make that trade and who would take Eli's contract?


Eric, yes I'm being sarcastic! The idiocy on this board is redicilous! The fucking guy has no line, no running game and now he has no receivers! but it's his fault! Has he been off, Absofuckingloutley but Please the guy is getting killed out there! He came into this game with a near 70% completion percentage and that's with over 14 drops! Yes they're dink and dunk, but that's wackadoo's offense and Eli is running it. There is virtually no opportunity to throw the deep ball and the receivers aren't getting much separation.
huh - no run game today?  
LG in NYC : 10/8/2017 6:49 pm : link
maybe watch the game first and then come back and reconsider your comments.



RE: Missed the stats  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/8/2017 6:51 pm : link
In comment 13637161 XBRONX said:
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Did JPP add to his sack total for the year?


He added to his moronic offsides penalties total.
The only real positive for the Giants  
Matt in SGS : 10/8/2017 6:51 pm : link
is that the first step to getting better is acceptance. The season is gone. So now, with that in mind, it's time to see what they can do to move this forward for next year, and try to not get any other core players killed along the way.

1- Eli stays at QB. There is no point to playing Geno or Webb for that matter. Let's hope the OL doesn't get Eli killed but he needs to stay out there because...

2- We need to let Evan Engram progress. He's been pretty invisible the first 5 games. He was brought here to be a matchup nightmare. Well, he's one of the last men standing. Let him learn what it takes to play well in this league. Make his mistakes now and correct them as the season goes along. One of the few blessings of the 2015 season was trial by fire for Collins which led to a breakout 2016. Here's hoping the same for Engram in 2018, and he will need Eli's help to get there.

3- Play Gallman more. Enough of Darkwa. He finally makes a play and gets hurt. Move on. Gallman looks like he could be a player for the Giants. Wouldn't it be nice to go into next season with at least 1 NFL running back on the roster? Gallman should be the Giants lead back for the remainder of the season. Again, learn on the fly and learn with Eli.

4- Sit Casillas. He's a captain. He's probably a really nice guy. He's also not in the future plans. Take a seat. Let's let Goodson continue to play and make his mistakes too, but get him in position to make a leap in 2018. Hell, I'd give more snaps to Munson at this point to see if he's worth developing more or just another Unga.

5- Play Eli Apple. Eli has not played well this year. He looks immature on the sidelines and he's making dumb mistakes. But cornerbacks tend to take a while to have it click. Look at Corey Webster as an example. Keep Apple in the lineup, deal with his mistakes until he starts to play better and get value for his draft position. He has talent, we saw it last year. But they need to use the remaining 11 games to regain his confidence.

6- Please start to test Rosas more. The Giants have passed on long field goal attempts for Rosas, I'm not talking about 65 yarders, but decently long attempts, around 53-54 yards. Let him kick it. We heard about his generational leg. Let him go out there and see what he can do. If he's the kicker of the future, let him try his craft.

7- Play Tomlinson more. Again, we've seen enough from Bromley to know what he is, a JAG. Get Tomlinson his experience in playing in the NFL trenches and get him ready for next year next to Snacks.

Otherwise, if you are going to lose, go big or go home. The 2014 season when the Giants went 7-9 after an 0-6 start was an abberation. They played a bunch of backup QBs for a long stretch or else they would have been a 3-13 team. That is what looms for the 2016 Giants. You can't get better in this league until you hit rock bottom and draft smart (or get lucky). Thank God they didn't trade for Staley or Thomas, that might have been Reese's best non-move yet.
RE: huh - no run game today?  
Bleedin Blue : 10/8/2017 6:58 pm : link
In comment 13637188 LG in NYC said:
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maybe watch the game first and then come back and reconsider your comments.



Did I say today!! One game does not a running game make! Especially against the 32nd ranked run defense, but go ahead fire away!
Nothing left to lose...  
kelsto811 : 10/8/2017 7:10 pm : link
Want to see Rudolph, let the OC call the plays, want to mix up this OL, blitz the shit out of opponents, let's get more Gallman, let's see some set and designed plays for Engram, let's see more 2 TE sets...

I'm not sitting here calling for Webb though. Eli is still the guy but what are we salvaging? Sign some street guys/practice squad guys and see if we can find some viable starters for next year. No clue why but I feel relieved that I'm not going to be stressing over needing wins with this unit.
Dude, you trotted out every cliche excuse for Eli  
LG in NYC : 10/8/2017 7:18 pm : link
we are talking about today and you said he had no running game (among other things)... but he did have a great running game today and still couldn't consistently pass the ball to move this offense and win the game.

unless I missed something, we are talking about today's game.
Worst team in the NFL  
D_Giants : 10/8/2017 7:22 pm : link
This team's woeful offense is, IMO, a function of poor play design, poor play calling, and poor coaching of fundamentals. Nothing is working because everything is bad; it's easy to point to the same OL that 'gets worse' each year. Simplistic plays are aggravated by goofy and predictable play calls. This team will continue losing until it loses Coach Ben McLackacloo.
At this point  
ryanmkeane : 10/8/2017 7:23 pm : link
Darnold or Rosen look like a great prize...
RE: Dude, you trotted out every cliche excuse for Eli  
Bleedin Blue : 10/8/2017 7:31 pm : link
In comment 13637242 LG in NYC said:
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we are talking about today and you said he had no running game (among other things)... but he did have a great running game today and still couldn't consistently pass the ball to move this offense and win the game.

unless I missed something, we are talking about today's game.


You want cliches , Eli is the problem! That's the biggest cliche used! I agreed he's been off, but if you think he's THE PROBLEM, I think you haven't been watching the games. Erik Flowers week after week has virtually sacked Eli himself, his man has sacked Eli with him holding on. This team is fucked, but Eli is not at the top of list of problems, top 5 yes but not the top.
RE: Dude, you trotted out every cliche excuse for Eli  
Britt in VA : 10/8/2017 7:37 pm : link
In comment 13637242 LG in NYC said:
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we are talking about today and you said he had no running game (among other things)... but he did have a great running game today and still couldn't consistently pass the ball to move this offense and win the game.

unless I missed something, we are talking about today's game.


Did he or did he not give them two 4th quarter leads for the 3rd week in a row?
Britt  
LG in NYC : 10/8/2017 7:42 pm : link
we had the lead and Eli fumbled the ball back to LAC on the 15 yd line, effectively giving them the game. so the 4th qtr lead was nice and all, but less nice was giving Rivers the ball back in the RZ.

this is ridiculous; I have been one of Eli'd biggest fans... I get no joy out of criticizing him. I am sick over the state of the team -- but you guys are so blind to his sub par play right now.
Bleedin  
LG in NYC : 10/8/2017 7:43 pm : link
you won't find a post of mine saying Eli is the biggest problem with the team. you just said Top 5... I will agree with you and we can end our debate.
but that is not exactly a defense of him saying he is one of the top 5 problems with this horrific team.
Eli Manning Stats over the last three games....  
Britt in VA : 10/8/2017 7:45 pm : link
86/132 65% completion percentage, 879 yards, 7 TD's and 3 INT's.
wow - you are lost  
LG in NYC : 10/8/2017 7:49 pm : link
but ok, whatever - No one holds a candle to Eli Manning in 2017. It is incredible... I wonder if he will win the MVP unanimously. It would be a crime if he didn't, dontcha think?
I wasn't surprised at all when Eli fumbled the ball right there.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/8/2017 7:50 pm : link
Par for the course.
RE: Bleedin  
Bleedin Blue : 10/8/2017 8:06 pm : link
In comment 13637349 LG in NYC said:
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you won't find a post of mine saying Eli is the biggest problem with the team. you just said Top 5... I will agree with you and we can end our debate.
but that is not exactly a defense of him saying he is one of the top 5 problems with this horrific team.


LG, never said YOU were crushing Eli, but you took up the banner and ran with it. Credit to you, there are many here that are ripping him to pieces and calling for Webb to play, probably the same people who called for Nassib lol! Look Aaron Rodgers on this team would still be a losing team, maybe not 0-5 but a Losing team, Eli is not Aaron Rodgers, hell look at Big Ben! He's not pulling rabbits out his ass lately, but he as Eli I believe is not "THE" problem. That's my take, am I frustrated with this team yes, and I'm trying to look at the big picture not just focusing on one player.
RE: Fractured left ankle for Odell  
FStubbs : 10/8/2017 8:17 pm : link
In comment 13636745 Simms11 said:
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Heís definitely out for the year. Just hope he can come back from that next year


I'm not holding my breath given how this team has gone with franchise type WRs. Odell will never be the same.
Is Travis Rudolph still on the practice squad?  
eclipz928 : 10/8/2017 9:33 pm : link
This would be a good opportunity to get a good look at him.
All the morons on this post  
Blue Moon : 10/8/2017 10:18 pm : link
Blaming Eli know nothing about the game of football!!
I'm a big Eli fan,  
Daniel in MI : 10/8/2017 11:23 pm : link
he's as classy as they come and a clutch player.

But he's not adept as a QB behind this shit OL. Its a terrible mismatch. He's never been the most accurate guy, and you can really see it now. He's also a guy who likes to avoid contact (chuck and duck) to stay healthy.

He was up and down today. Some nice passes (Lewis TD) and some bad misses. He missed easy swing passes today. He threw high today a lot, and it did set people up for hits. He was way off on deep throws. Even on completions, he's often not setting the player up to keep running as they have to adjust to the ball. And he was behind at least 2 sacks today by holding the ball or moving where he could be hit. And ball security again. Add the almost comical lack of mobility and athleticism and you have a QB for a stud OL, not this sieve of a line. He won't create, he can't scare a D by running it. He can't scramble well enough to make something of broken plays. And all our plays are ask broken as Harris's foot.
Eli  
old man : 10/8/2017 11:33 pm : link
deserves his share of blame. The lost fumbles are inexcusable ...particularly today's.
Eli has been feeling the pressure that is not there because of the OL slide that started in 2011(remember the SF game) then again starting game 7 of 2012 and the subsequent slide which forced JR to draft OL higher than rd 3 followed by other poor OL selections whiles skipping on Scherff... Ronny Stanley...Lewan...signaling on Conklin and getting manuevered...and no real FA adds to it the last 2 years.
6+ years of meh at best protection would turn even Tom Terrific into David Carr.
I gotta say  
santacruzom : 10/9/2017 12:09 am : link
Watching Watson tear it up these past two weeks makes me really intrigued by the possibility of drafting a new potential franchise QB. It's a long shot, but that would be fun to see unfold.
RE: RE: Missed the stats  
Tuckrule : 10/9/2017 5:40 am : link
In comment 13637192 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Did JPP add to his sack total for the year?



He added to his moronic offsides penalties total.


Lmao my fiend and I have a running joke about jpp being cross eyed. There's no other explanation for a guy who's always lines up in the neutral zone. He can be called for it almost every play its mind boggling
What is this nonsense that a 4th qtr lead is some kind of lock?  
Jimmy Googs : 10/9/2017 7:02 am : link
Well it clearly isn't. In fact, forcing Giants offense to try and score under a set timeframe typically only helps your cause...
Blame the crappy OL all you want  
Gman11 : 10/9/2017 8:54 am : link
but Eli's lack of mobility is a big part of the problem.
RE: Blame the crappy OL all you want  
jeff57 : 10/9/2017 9:24 am : link
In comment 13638492 Gman11 said:
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but Eli's lack of mobility is a big part of the problem.


It is.
the part of all of this mess that  
Jersey55 : 10/9/2017 11:06 am : link
scares me is that we will obviously be in a position to draft a top talent in round one and very good players in the following rounds, will Reese screw it up is a frightening thought an d he is completely capable of doing just that.....( see the Flowers pick)
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