but the entire front office/coaching staff has to go. They completely wasted the second half of Eli's career and there's no way they can force Eli to go through another rebuild
the worst part of all of this is the fact that the Giants will make no moves and Reese will be handed they keys to blow his third top 10 pick in 4 years.
and offering up anything they can get for someone like DRC and seeing if they can get some picks back. This season is in the complete shitter. The best thing for the team is to get a top 3 pick, as painful as it is. They don't need to try to tank, they are just bad, it will come naturally. All that's left now is the inevitable Eli injury and we get Geno. This is a 3-13 team right now.
We have to draft the heir apparent to learn behind him for 1-2 seasons
Eli is done here. New GM and coach will not want to build around 37 year old QB especially when 2018 draft is strong on QB. And QB's don't sit and learn anymore they play day one like Winston, Mariota, Wentz etc.
We have to draft the heir apparent to learn behind him for 1-2 seasons
Eli won't be in blue for another 1-2 seasons. They will cut him or trade him before that. I love Eli but its time we rebuild properly ............ from the top down.
the worst part of all of this is the fact that the Giants will make no moves and Reese will be handed they keys to blow his third top 10 pick in 4 years.
Very little pressure from the D, who again couldn't hold a lead. Were also gashed on the ground.
Don't understand why we didn't kick the XP instead of going for two from the seven yard line.
Gallman played well. Thompson with an INT, and very nice PD against Henry in the end zone. Wing had some nice punts.
Four injuries at the same position, but we were just bad.
Eli ran or moved himself into 3 of them.
You go for 2 pts to get the lead by 7 points, it was the right call, but they still cannot get lined up. I have a feeling the way Eli was talking to the Ref that the play clock was not set properly..
the various spins on this one. Epic fail. 4 WRs hurt in one game and the last one because of the inability to throw a simple slant.
Spags with his incredibly awful three man rush.
WTF was Vereen in the game for when Gallman is running roughshod over the Chargers.
And Gallman was catching the ball out of the backfield so no reason for Vereen there at least not at RB. Line him up as a receiver okay but Gallman much more likely to break off a long run
the worst part of all of this is the fact that the Giants will make no moves and Reese will be handed they keys to blow his third top 10 pick in 4 years.
Agreed. Management won't do anything.
The Mara's don't give a scratch about losing, they are making a shit ton of money regardless.
I watched the 1 st half. I hit record on the DVR...I looked at the first Giants series, a 3 and out. It was at this point I realized that there probably isn't much the Giants can do to win this game......I did some house stuff went out for a drive, did a few odds and ends, the entire time accepting the fact that the Giants were going to be losers today based on the first series of the second half.....I just got home now, looked up the score, and sure enough they lost....no aggravation.....I will delete the recording. Much easier that way.
Reese bought his way out of a shitty defense but not only couldn't buy an offense by blowing the draft .
This team has no direction on offense how many slants and
dumpoffs can a team run .
Then they take the only Rb that gave them a spark sits on the
bench in a desperation drive . The under use of the TE's makes zero sense and our #1 pick had zero catches today
now they have beaten OBJ to a pulp trying to make next to
impossible plays was it only fitting that he got injured .
The writing has been on the wall for the past 21 games .
He does not inspire anyone with his crap attitude and not
taking responsibility . I pray we lose every game and fire
Reece at the bye . then clean house at the end of the season
because Reese will never admit he was wrong to hire him and Mara won't fire Reese when in reality Reece should have been fired 4 or 5 years ago. So we are stuck with a clueless head coach who's biggest concern is how he looks on the sidelines and one of the worst GMs in the league. Even Jerry Jones is a ton better than Reese! Heck Jones is even a better HC than MacAdoo!
Regardless, this team isn't winning more than 2 games the rest of the way. Now, with all these injuries, I am confident the front office will give Reese and McAdoo a pass and they will screw up the top pick and next season as well.
It looks like SHIT, It smells like SHIT yet we keep stepping in it........sheesh Eric if you read this post
NOBODY and I mean NO ONE deserves the HOPE JOHNSON AWARD thus FAR this season
Remember Robestelli, Tittle, Gifford, Summerall, Rote, Tark, Homer Jones, Bruce Mahar, Brad van Pelt et al. Season ticket holder for 10 years before leaving NY area. Memo to Mara: I'm done with the team, the organization until you fire the coach (aka Hanley without the tranny) and the GM (aka Cocky Putz). Over and out.
Giants are not winning that game with this offense. I wouldnt be surprised if they didnt win a game this year! Could be the worst year the Giants have had in many, many years. I remember the 0-6 start recently and it smells worse then that year as we have nobody left on offense that scares anybody and Eli has turned into widely inconsistent Eli again!
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Odell Beckham is headed for surgery, per source. He injured his leg in the fourth quarter.
Break? Ligaments?
Either one or both. But he's done for the season. So is Harris. And maybe Marshall. Shepard looks like he can play again this season, but will likely be out several weeks. Rudolph will be promoted, and King will be resigned.
that happens on the field is a reflection of the head coach, the incessant bitching about McAdoo is tiring. Was it McAdoo's fault Eli missed every deep throw he attempted in the first half, including a probable TD? Was it his fault that imbecile JPP lined up offside, which led to the first TD? I'm hardly absolving Mac of blame, but everything can't be his fault.
It's not the Giants style to blow it up after 2 seasons with a head coach.
But if the Giants win 3 games or less, it probably has to happen.
I don't like Mcadoo as much as Coughlin, but this is more on Reese. How can Mcadoo call a game when both offensive tackles need help when the D only rushes 4? leaves you with 4 guys running routes against a loaded secondary. Throw in that the interior can't block anybody either.
Reese has tried and failed to add olinemen, both in FA and the draft. It may be time to clean house
Is this the most disappointing season in many years? From sure playoff contenders to maybe bottom of league in 5 games. This is worse, to me, then 2003. Time to clean it out, get a new qb, coach, GM. If they dump Eli and keep this staff, though, I'm done with the Giants. Hate this group
I do not share this opinion. I thought Eli played well today, and under considerable pressure and taking some shots. He was suplexed on the fumble.
He missed a bunch of deep throws in the first half, including several of the few times Odell has been open on a deep pass this season (and not double covered). He threw inaccurately to Marshall down the sideline (despite Brandon making a miraculous catch). He threw inaccurately to Engram down the sideline.
Eli was solid in the second half, but he was one of several main reasons they trailed at the half.
Reese bought his way out of a shitty defense but not only couldn't buy an offense by blowing the draft .
This team has no direction on offense how many slants and
dumpoffs can a team run .
Then they take the only Rb that gave them a spark sits on the
bench in a desperation drive . The under use of the TE's makes zero sense and our #1 pick had zero catches today
now they have beaten OBJ to a pulp trying to make next to
impossible plays was it only fitting that he got injured .
The writing has been on the wall for the past 21 games .
He does not inspire anyone with his crap attitude and not
taking responsibility . I pray we lose every game and fire
Reece at the bye . then clean house at the end of the season
I agree. We supposedly have 2 good TEs now yet MacAdoo doesn't know how to use them. But he really doesn't know how to use any of the talent efficiently on this team. Too bad. He might have been a good HC if 5 years as an assistant but he just is not ready for this job.
RE: RE: People ask how a new QB makes this team better?
Eli is not the only problem on this team... but a QB who is accurate and mobile would really help this team, and Eli is neither.
he misses way too many easy throws and can't do much of anything when a play breaks down. he also can't throw downfield with any consistency.
Football games come down to a handful of plays and Eli usually is responsible for the team coming down on the wrong side of those plays.
I do not share this opinion. I thought Eli played well today, and under considerable pressure and taking some shots. He was suplexed on the fumble.
Come on man. Eli overthrew guys. He threw behind guys. He seen pressure that wasn't there and he stepped into pressure that he didn't need to. Eli played terribly. It's amazing the low bar that we've set for Eli. If he makes a couple of great throws, all is good!
And before all the Eli apologists go crazy, Eli was far from the biggest problem again today. But he did not play well.
but Reese may be at the top of the pile when it comes to culprits. We need to add talent through the draft and he doesnt have a very good record at all. When he tries to rectify it hes spending major dollars on Free Agents and that has a domino effect on the rest of the roster in terms of quality.
McAdoo needs to be a better Head Coach. I dont think hes doing a very good job at all. Team has no spirit or identity. No physicality, no heavy- handed ness.
I dont know where to start! I think the Giants have to blow this whole thing up, starting at the top with GM, Head Coach, staff and players. There are some decent pieces on the team, however there needs to be more and players need to play better fundamentally. I just dont feel like this team is going to win a game.
RE: RE: RE: People ask how a new QB makes this team better?
Eli is not the only problem on this team... but a QB who is accurate and mobile would really help this team, and Eli is neither.
he misses way too many easy throws and can't do much of anything when a play breaks down. he also can't throw downfield with any consistency.
Football games come down to a handful of plays and Eli usually is responsible for the team coming down on the wrong side of those plays.
I do not share this opinion. I thought Eli played well today, and under considerable pressure and taking some shots. He was suplexed on the fumble.
Come on man. Eli overthrew guys. He threw behind guys. He seen pressure that wasn't there and he stepped into pressure that he didn't need to. Eli played terribly. It's amazing the low bar that we've set for Eli. If he makes a couple of great throws, all is good!
And before all the Eli apologists go crazy, Eli was far from the biggest problem again today. But he did not play well.
Pass a new rule that you cannot throw to your tightends? Engrams had only FOUR targets in the whole game!!
Only for the Giants.
That's complaining just to complain.
The receivers were more consistently open than they've been all season. Darkwa and Gallman were shredding the Chargers. Then at the end, Engram wasn't even playing his regular position. If Eli hits some of those deep throws in the first half, no one is complaining at all.
RE: actually Eli was one of the bigger problems today
Eli is not the only problem on this team... but a QB who is accurate and mobile would really help this team, and Eli is neither.
he misses way too many easy throws and can't do much of anything when a play breaks down. he also can't throw downfield with any consistency.
Football games come down to a handful of plays and Eli usually is responsible for the team coming down on the wrong side of those plays.
I do not share this opinion. I thought Eli played well today, and under considerable pressure and taking some shots. He was suplexed on the fumble.
Come on man. Eli overthrew guys. He threw behind guys. He seen pressure that wasn't there and he stepped into pressure that he didn't need to. Eli played terribly. It's amazing the low bar that we've set for Eli. If he makes a couple of great throws, all is good!
And before all the Eli apologists go crazy, Eli was far from the biggest problem again today. But he did not play well.
Well, I did not say he was perfect. But, he was under pressure the whole game and he hit some big time throws. As far as stepping into pressure, I thought he moved well in the pocket at times and the "stepping" into pressure was often him moving from where the original pressure was coming from only to move into another rusher because the line kinda sucks.
Overall the Giants are bad team and Eli is caught up in all of that. But, he seems very far down the list of problems today.
Today did suck though, one of the worst days I can remember for the G-men.
Also, on the game thread and elsewhere many claim Eli throws helped the injuries along. Well, those are fluke injuries. The slant to Beckham was a bit high, but he leaves his feet all the time regardless. You would think Eli was the most inaccurate passer in the NFL and when I watch other games and compare QB's to Eli I do not see that at all.
still consulting, if so, somebody needs to make a call to go through player eval inclusive of putting them in REAL games and what they need next season.
yes, he was under pressure - but all QB's face pressure.
what was much more obvious and problematic was his inability to escape any of that pressure, but more than that... were the absolute mis throws (high, long, before the receiver was ready) he made all day long.
he set up both SS and OBJ's injury plays with his inaccurate throws, and was missing wide open RB's in the flat all afternoon...never mind the long throws he missed in the 1st half that may have changed the complexion of the game.
Bullshit. He was on his back most of the day because he's playing behind a high school quality o-line or worse!
HOLY SHIT!!! Why don't we just trade Eli now, so he does t have to put up with this god awful shit offensive line! and we don't have to listen to all this Eli is the fucking problem with this team!! Give me a fucking break! The guy is getting killed out there, and he was pretty mobile out there when he could run for his life!!!
as he has experience as a returner and didnt look too bad in pre-season. Not much of a receiver, but Harris didnt play receiver all that much either.
And so we might be looking at Lewis as the #1 next week! Wow wtf!
It will be good to see what Lewis can do when a DC is paying attention to him in a lineup and game prep. Right now, he looks good, but is he like a Beasley and nobody pays attention until he is unaccounted for and burns your ass.
Will this Beckham injury end up giving McAdoo a pass?
Regardless of the 0-4 start with OBJ, I feel like that will largely be forgotten in 3 months. Not sure it even matters who coaches this team next year.
I've been waiting for the seam pass to the TE all year. That's all we heard about. I really don't know, because I don't get to see every game. How many times have we actually run that play?
RE: RE: RE: actually Eli was one of the bigger problems today
HOLY SHIT!!! Why don't we just trade Eli now, so he does t have to put up with this god awful shit offensive line!
I am pretty sure you were being sarcastic. However, if there is anyone out there with thoughts of trading Eli... who would make that trade and who would take Eli's contract?
Jets are 3-2? and the Eagles are 4-1...... damn this season hurts!
No, the worst thing about this season is the 0-5 start by the Giants. Who gives a shit about the Jets. Would you have felt better if the Jets and Eagles were 0-5?
The injuries will be part of the reason this team will suck
the rest of the way. But, they won't be the only reason and they aren't the reason the Giants lost. Once again, the D cam up short in the second half, INT aside.
Jets are 3-2? and the Eagles are 4-1...... damn this season hurts!
No, the worst thing about this season is the 0-5 start by the Giants. Who gives a shit about the Jets. Would you have felt better if the Jets and Eagles were 0-5?
HOLY SHIT!!! Why don't we just trade Eli now, so he does t have to put up with this god awful shit offensive line!
I am pretty sure you were being sarcastic. However, if there is anyone out there with thoughts of trading Eli... who would make that trade and who would take Eli's contract?
Eric, yes I'm being sarcastic! The idiocy on this board is redicilous! The fucking guy has no line, no running game and now he has no receivers! but it's his fault! Has he been off, Absofuckingloutley but Please the guy is getting killed out there! He came into this game with a near 70% completion percentage and that's with over 14 drops! Yes they're dink and dunk, but that's wackadoo's offense and Eli is running it. There is virtually no opportunity to throw the deep ball and the receivers aren't getting much separation.
is that the first step to getting better is acceptance. The season is gone. So now, with that in mind, it's time to see what they can do to move this forward for next year, and try to not get any other core players killed along the way.
1- Eli stays at QB. There is no point to playing Geno or Webb for that matter. Let's hope the OL doesn't get Eli killed but he needs to stay out there because...
2- We need to let Evan Engram progress. He's been pretty invisible the first 5 games. He was brought here to be a matchup nightmare. Well, he's one of the last men standing. Let him learn what it takes to play well in this league. Make his mistakes now and correct them as the season goes along. One of the few blessings of the 2015 season was trial by fire for Collins which led to a breakout 2016. Here's hoping the same for Engram in 2018, and he will need Eli's help to get there.
3- Play Gallman more. Enough of Darkwa. He finally makes a play and gets hurt. Move on. Gallman looks like he could be a player for the Giants. Wouldn't it be nice to go into next season with at least 1 NFL running back on the roster? Gallman should be the Giants lead back for the remainder of the season. Again, learn on the fly and learn with Eli.
4- Sit Casillas. He's a captain. He's probably a really nice guy. He's also not in the future plans. Take a seat. Let's let Goodson continue to play and make his mistakes too, but get him in position to make a leap in 2018. Hell, I'd give more snaps to Munson at this point to see if he's worth developing more or just another Unga.
5- Play Eli Apple. Eli has not played well this year. He looks immature on the sidelines and he's making dumb mistakes. But cornerbacks tend to take a while to have it click. Look at Corey Webster as an example. Keep Apple in the lineup, deal with his mistakes until he starts to play better and get value for his draft position. He has talent, we saw it last year. But they need to use the remaining 11 games to regain his confidence.
6- Please start to test Rosas more. The Giants have passed on long field goal attempts for Rosas, I'm not talking about 65 yarders, but decently long attempts, around 53-54 yards. Let him kick it. We heard about his generational leg. Let him go out there and see what he can do. If he's the kicker of the future, let him try his craft.
7- Play Tomlinson more. Again, we've seen enough from Bromley to know what he is, a JAG. Get Tomlinson his experience in playing in the NFL trenches and get him ready for next year next to Snacks.
Otherwise, if you are going to lose, go big or go home. The 2014 season when the Giants went 7-9 after an 0-6 start was an abberation. They played a bunch of backup QBs for a long stretch or else they would have been a 3-13 team. That is what looms for the 2016 Giants. You can't get better in this league until you hit rock bottom and draft smart (or get lucky). Thank God they didn't trade for Staley or Thomas, that might have been Reese's best non-move yet.
Want to see Rudolph, let the OC call the plays, want to mix up this OL, blitz the shit out of opponents, let's get more Gallman, let's see some set and designed plays for Engram, let's see more 2 TE sets...
I'm not sitting here calling for Webb though. Eli is still the guy but what are we salvaging? Sign some street guys/practice squad guys and see if we can find some viable starters for next year. No clue why but I feel relieved that I'm not going to be stressing over needing wins with this unit.
we are talking about today and you said he had no running game (among other things)... but he did have a great running game today and still couldn't consistently pass the ball to move this offense and win the game.
unless I missed something, we are talking about today's game.
This team's woeful offense is, IMO, a function of poor play design, poor play calling, and poor coaching of fundamentals. Nothing is working because everything is bad; it's easy to point to the same OL that 'gets worse' each year. Simplistic plays are aggravated by goofy and predictable play calls. This team will continue losing until it loses Coach Ben McLackacloo.
we are talking about today and you said he had no running game (among other things)... but he did have a great running game today and still couldn't consistently pass the ball to move this offense and win the game.
unless I missed something, we are talking about today's game.
You want cliches , Eli is the problem! That's the biggest cliche used! I agreed he's been off, but if you think he's THE PROBLEM, I think you haven't been watching the games. Erik Flowers week after week has virtually sacked Eli himself, his man has sacked Eli with him holding on. This team is fucked, but Eli is not at the top of list of problems, top 5 yes but not the top.
RE: Dude, you trotted out every cliche excuse for Eli
we are talking about today and you said he had no running game (among other things)... but he did have a great running game today and still couldn't consistently pass the ball to move this offense and win the game.
unless I missed something, we are talking about today's game.
Did he or did he not give them two 4th quarter leads for the 3rd week in a row?
we had the lead and Eli fumbled the ball back to LAC on the 15 yd line, effectively giving them the game. so the 4th qtr lead was nice and all, but less nice was giving Rivers the ball back in the RZ.
this is ridiculous; I have been one of Eli'd biggest fans... I get no joy out of criticizing him. I am sick over the state of the team -- but you guys are so blind to his sub par play right now.
you won't find a post of mine saying Eli is the biggest problem with the team. you just said Top 5... I will agree with you and we can end our debate.
but that is not exactly a defense of him saying he is one of the top 5 problems with this horrific team.
but ok, whatever - No one holds a candle to Eli Manning in 2017. It is incredible... I wonder if he will win the MVP unanimously. It would be a crime if he didn't, dontcha think?
I wasn't surprised at all when Eli fumbled the ball right there.
you won't find a post of mine saying Eli is the biggest problem with the team. you just said Top 5... I will agree with you and we can end our debate.
but that is not exactly a defense of him saying he is one of the top 5 problems with this horrific team.
LG, never said YOU were crushing Eli, but you took up the banner and ran with it. Credit to you, there are many here that are ripping him to pieces and calling for Webb to play, probably the same people who called for Nassib lol! Look Aaron Rodgers on this team would still be a losing team, maybe not 0-5 but a Losing team, Eli is not Aaron Rodgers, hell look at Big Ben! He's not pulling rabbits out his ass lately, but he as Eli I believe is not "THE" problem. That's my take, am I frustrated with this team yes, and I'm trying to look at the big picture not just focusing on one player.
But he's not adept as a QB behind this shit OL. Its a terrible mismatch. He's never been the most accurate guy, and you can really see it now. He's also a guy who likes to avoid contact (chuck and duck) to stay healthy.
He was up and down today. Some nice passes (Lewis TD) and some bad misses. He missed easy swing passes today. He threw high today a lot, and it did set people up for hits. He was way off on deep throws. Even on completions, he's often not setting the player up to keep running as they have to adjust to the ball. And he was behind at least 2 sacks today by holding the ball or moving where he could be hit. And ball security again. Add the almost comical lack of mobility and athleticism and you have a QB for a stud OL, not this sieve of a line. He won't create, he can't scare a D by running it. He can't scramble well enough to make something of broken plays. And all our plays are ask broken as Harris's foot.
deserves his share of blame. The lost fumbles are inexcusable ...particularly today's.
Eli has been feeling the pressure that is not there because of the OL slide that started in 2011(remember the SF game) then again starting game 7 of 2012 and the subsequent slide which forced JR to draft OL higher than rd 3 followed by other poor OL selections whiles skipping on Scherff... Ronny Stanley...Lewan...signaling on Conklin and getting manuevered...and no real FA adds to it the last 2 years.
6+ years of meh at best protection would turn even Tom Terrific into David Carr.
Watching Watson tear it up these past two weeks makes me really intrigued by the possibility of drafting a new potential franchise QB. It's a long shot, but that would be fun to see unfold.
Lmao my fiend and I have a running joke about jpp being cross eyed. There's no other explanation for a guy who's always lines up in the neutral zone. He can be called for it almost every play its mind boggling
What is this nonsense that a 4th qtr lead is some kind of lock?
scares me is that we will obviously be in a position to draft a top talent in round one and very good players in the following rounds, will Reese screw it up is a frightening thought an d he is completely capable of doing just that.....( see the Flowers pick)
Regardless, it's clear as day. Blow it up. Bring in new GM and Head Coaching staff and start from scratch
I don't have a problem with going for 2 from the 2. After the penalty, though, they should've kicked the PAT.
Niners.
Doesnt get any worse than that.
Smart move would be to trade down, but Reese will stand pat and take a dogshit QB because that's what this fanbase deserves.
3rd pick. After Browns and Niners.
Whichever of the three QBs is left.
Would not have made a difference
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For the first pick in the draft?
Smart move would be to trade down, but Reese will stand pat and take a dogshit QB because that's what this fanbase deserves.
No. We deserve a QB to play until 50 and play crazily inconsistently.
Josh Allen from Wyoming.
I have my doubts about Jackson at the next level.
2-14 here we come.
I hate to pick on 1 guy, but if I never see Eli Apple again, I'm perfectly fine with that.
An OL .... forced pick or not.
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McAdoo made another mistake going for 2
Would not have made a difference
But people want to bitch and moan incessantly about McAdoo.
Eli is done here. New GM and coach will not want to build around 37 year old QB especially when 2018 draft is strong on QB. And QB's don't sit and learn anymore they play day one like Winston, Mariota, Wentz etc.
Eli won't be in blue for another 1-2 seasons. They will cut him or trade him before that. I love Eli but its time we rebuild properly ............ from the top down.
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Josh Allen from Wyoming.
I have my doubts about Jackson at the next level.
2-14 here we come.
Jackson is a better prospect than Deshaun Watson.
OL was terrible. Five sacks of Manning.
Very little pressure from the D, who again couldn't hold a lead. Were also gashed on the ground.
Don't understand why we didn't kick the XP instead of going for two from the seven yard line.
Gallman played well. Thompson with an INT, and very nice PD against Henry in the end zone. Wing had some nice punts.
Four injuries at the same position, but we were just bad.
Spags with his incredibly awful three man rush.
WTF was Vereen in the game for when Gallman is running roughshod over the Chargers.
If he didn't get hurt when fat Ereck Flowers fell on him, he's probably indestructible.
Agreed. Management won't do anything.
Agree 100% ... (2 birds 1 stone).
OL was terrible. Five sacks of Manning.
Very little pressure from the D, who again couldn't hold a lead. Were also gashed on the ground.
Don't understand why we didn't kick the XP instead of going for two from the seven yard line.
Gallman played well. Thompson with an INT, and very nice PD against Henry in the end zone. Wing had some nice punts.
Four injuries at the same position, but we were just bad.
Eli ran or moved himself into 3 of them.
You go for 2 pts to get the lead by 7 points, it was the right call, but they still cannot get lined up. I have a feeling the way Eli was talking to the Ref that the play clock was not set properly..
Spags with his incredibly awful three man rush.
WTF was Vereen in the game for when Gallman is running roughshod over the Chargers.
And Gallman was catching the ball out of the backfield so no reason for Vereen there at least not at RB. Line him up as a receiver okay but Gallman much more likely to break off a long run
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For the first pick in the draft?
Smart move would be to trade down, but Reese will stand pat and take a dogshit QB because that's what this fanbase deserves.
No. We deserve a QB to play until 50 and play crazily inconsistently.
Please tell me how a new QB makes this team better
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the worst part of all of this is the fact that the Giants will make no moves and Reese will be handed they keys to blow his third top 10 pick in 4 years.
Agreed. Management won't do anything.
The Mara's don't give a scratch about losing, they are making a shit ton of money regardless.
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Josh Allen from Wyoming.
I have my doubts about Jackson at the next level.
2-14 here we come.
Ill take Jackson without reservation.
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Josh Allen from Wyoming.
I have my doubts about Jackson at the next level.
2-14 here we come.
Jackson is a better prospect than Deshaun Watson.
I am not sure about the next level, Watson has played a month, let's let that marinate a bit please.
So you're going to pass on a franchise QB because you have third round backup?
2 win team? - take the rose colored glasses off BC. Homer.
I watched the 1 st half. I hit record on the DVR...I looked at the first Giants series, a 3 and out. It was at this point I realized that there probably isn't much the Giants can do to win this game......I did some house stuff went out for a drive, did a few odds and ends, the entire time accepting the fact that the Giants were going to be losers today based on the first series of the second half.....I just got home now, looked up the score, and sure enough they lost....no aggravation.....I will delete the recording. Much easier that way.
This team has no direction on offense how many slants and
dumpoffs can a team run .
Then they take the only Rb that gave them a spark sits on the
bench in a desperation drive . The under use of the TE's makes zero sense and our #1 pick had zero catches today
now they have beaten OBJ to a pulp trying to make next to
impossible plays was it only fitting that he got injured .
The writing has been on the wall for the past 21 games .
He does not inspire anyone with his crap attitude and not
taking responsibility . I pray we lose every game and fire
Reece at the bye . then clean house at the end of the season
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We are all convinced Webb is not the answer without playing a down. So why did they draft him?
So you're going to pass on a franchise QB because you have third round backup?
I do not see any as a franchise QB.
Odell Beckham is headed for surgery, per source. He injured his leg in the fourth quarter.
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In comment 13636237 Gary from The East End said:
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For the first pick in the draft?
Smart move would be to trade down, but Reese will stand pat and take a dogshit QB because that's what this fanbase deserves.
No. We deserve a QB to play until 50 and play crazily inconsistently.
Please tell me how a new QB makes this team better
Mobility, if nothing else.
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We are all convinced Webb is not the answer without playing a down. So why did they draft him?
So you're going to pass on a franchise QB because you have third round backup?
I do not see any as a franchise QB.
Darnold and Rosen are as close to sure things as you can get
Can't team build drafting like that.
Odell Beckham is headed for surgery, per source. He injured his leg in the fourth quarter.
Break? Ligaments?
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In comment 13636316 jamesmichaelworm said:
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We are all convinced Webb is not the answer without playing a down. So why did they draft him?
So you're going to pass on a franchise QB because you have third round backup?
I do not see any as a franchise QB.
Take another look.
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In comment 13636316 jamesmichaelworm said:
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We are all convinced Webb is not the answer without playing a down. So why did they draft him?
So you're going to pass on a franchise QB because you have third round backup?
I do not see any as a franchise QB.
Darnold and Rosen are as close to sure things as you can get
We'll see, but I doubt it.
NOBODY and I mean NO ONE deserves the HOPE JOHNSON AWARD thus FAR this season
Odell Beckham is headed for surgery, per source. He injured his leg in the fourth quarter.
Yeah ... that replay didn't look good.
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Jordan RaananVerified account @JordanRaanan 5m5 minutes ago
Odell Beckham is headed for surgery, per source. He injured his leg in the fourth quarter.
Break? Ligaments?
Most likely a completely torn ligament connecting the ankle to the foot
Giants are not winning that game with this offense. I wouldnt be surprised if they didnt win a game this year! Could be the worst year the Giants have had in many, many years. I remember the 0-6 start recently and it smells worse then that year as we have nobody left on offense that scares anybody and Eli has turned into widely inconsistent Eli again!
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Jordan RaananVerified account @JordanRaanan 5m5 minutes ago
Odell Beckham is headed for surgery, per source. He injured his leg in the fourth quarter.
Break? Ligaments?
Either one or both. But he's done for the season. So is Harris. And maybe Marshall. Shepard looks like he can play again this season, but will likely be out several weeks. Rudolph will be promoted, and King will be resigned.
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In comment 13636377 Eric from BBI said:
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Jordan RaananVerified account @JordanRaanan 5m5 minutes ago
Odell Beckham is headed for surgery, per source. He injured his leg in the fourth quarter.
Break? Ligaments?
Most likely a completely torn ligament connecting the ankle to the foot
Could be, but more likely a displace fractured ankle and would not be surprised if the fibula is broken also.
Who here didn't know exactly what we were running presnap?
As soon as I saw the formation and Vereen lined up 3 and 1/2 yards behind Manning I knew it was the slant to Beckham.
Like Chris Simms said..are tendencies worse than High School offense!
Can't team build drafting like that.
I am wondering what they saw in Flowers now? Did they just see size/athleticism and think they could teach him?
What did they see that justified him being taken that high? He is the biggest OL bust since Tony Manderich (sp?).
But if the Giants win 3 games or less, it probably has to happen.
I don't like Mcadoo as much as Coughlin, but this is more on Reese. How can Mcadoo call a game when both offensive tackles need help when the D only rushes 4? leaves you with 4 guys running routes against a loaded secondary. Throw in that the interior can't block anybody either.
Reese has tried and failed to add olinemen, both in FA and the draft. It may be time to clean house
Who here didn't know exactly what we were running presnap?
As soon as I saw the formation and Vereen lined up 3 and 1/2 yards behind Manning I knew it was the slant to Beckham.
Like Chris Simms said..are tendencies worse than High School offense!
Nothing wrong with the play at all - gets 5 to 6 yards minimum, if the QB doesn't throw the ball over the receivers head and get his ankle broken..
he misses way too many easy throws and can't do much of anything when a play breaks down. he also can't throw downfield with any consistency.
Football games come down to a handful of plays and Eli usually is responsible for the team coming down on the wrong side of those plays.
he misses way too many easy throws and can't do much of anything when a play breaks down. he also can't throw downfield with any consistency.
Football games come down to a handful of plays and Eli usually is responsible for the team coming down on the wrong side of those plays.
I do not share this opinion. I thought Eli played well today, and under considerable pressure and taking some shots. He was suplexed on the fumble.
I am no expert but I do no see it that way.
Yep They picked off Ben 4 times so far today and 2 were pick sixes! We should wish we had the Jag's record now.
It was a stupid draft pick. Just like Nassib was. This team had so many needs both times.
I do not share this opinion. I thought Eli played well today, and under considerable pressure and taking some shots. He was suplexed on the fumble.
He missed a bunch of deep throws in the first half, including several of the few times Odell has been open on a deep pass this season (and not double covered). He threw inaccurately to Marshall down the sideline (despite Brandon making a miraculous catch). He threw inaccurately to Engram down the sideline.
Eli was solid in the second half, but he was one of several main reasons they trailed at the half.
but there were many other just horrible decisions/throws today that helped get us another L.
so we will have to agree to disagree on this one.
This team has no direction on offense how many slants and
dumpoffs can a team run .
Then they take the only Rb that gave them a spark sits on the
bench in a desperation drive . The under use of the TE's makes zero sense and our #1 pick had zero catches today
now they have beaten OBJ to a pulp trying to make next to
impossible plays was it only fitting that he got injured .
The writing has been on the wall for the past 21 games .
He does not inspire anyone with his crap attitude and not
taking responsibility . I pray we lose every game and fire
Reece at the bye . then clean house at the end of the season
I agree. We supposedly have 2 good TEs now yet MacAdoo doesn't know how to use them. But he really doesn't know how to use any of the talent efficiently on this team. Too bad. He might have been a good HC if 5 years as an assistant but he just is not ready for this job.
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Eli is not the only problem on this team... but a QB who is accurate and mobile would really help this team, and Eli is neither.
he misses way too many easy throws and can't do much of anything when a play breaks down. he also can't throw downfield with any consistency.
Football games come down to a handful of plays and Eli usually is responsible for the team coming down on the wrong side of those plays.
I do not share this opinion. I thought Eli played well today, and under considerable pressure and taking some shots. He was suplexed on the fumble.
Come on man. Eli overthrew guys. He threw behind guys. He seen pressure that wasn't there and he stepped into pressure that he didn't need to. Eli played terribly. It's amazing the low bar that we've set for Eli. If he makes a couple of great throws, all is good!
And before all the Eli apologists go crazy, Eli was far from the biggest problem again today. But he did not play well.
Good question!
McAdoo needs to be a better Head Coach. I dont think hes doing a very good job at all. Team has no spirit or identity. No physicality, no heavy- handed ness.
I dont know where to start! I think the Giants have to blow this whole thing up, starting at the top with GM, Head Coach, staff and players. There are some decent pieces on the team, however there needs to be more and players need to play better fundamentally. I just dont feel like this team is going to win a game.
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Eli is not the only problem on this team... but a QB who is accurate and mobile would really help this team, and Eli is neither.
he misses way too many easy throws and can't do much of anything when a play breaks down. he also can't throw downfield with any consistency.
Football games come down to a handful of plays and Eli usually is responsible for the team coming down on the wrong side of those plays.
I do not share this opinion. I thought Eli played well today, and under considerable pressure and taking some shots. He was suplexed on the fumble.
Come on man. Eli overthrew guys. He threw behind guys. He seen pressure that wasn't there and he stepped into pressure that he didn't need to. Eli played terribly. It's amazing the low bar that we've set for Eli. If he makes a couple of great throws, all is good!
And before all the Eli apologists go crazy, Eli was far from the biggest problem again today. But he did not play well.
Agreed.
Only for the Giants.
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And worst part is no one will be held accountable for this disaster. GM Head Coach, scouts, front office personnel will all come back.
Jerry will walk the plank.
yes need a new GM to retain the big mans brother
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Pass a new rule that you cannot throw to your tightends? Engrams had only FOUR targets in the whole game!!
Only for the Giants.
That's complaining just to complain.
The receivers were more consistently open than they've been all season. Darkwa and Gallman were shredding the Chargers. Then at the end, Engram wasn't even playing his regular position. If Eli hits some of those deep throws in the first half, no one is complaining at all.
Bullshit. He was on his back most of the day because he's playing behind a high school quality o-line or worse!
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Eli is not the only problem on this team... but a QB who is accurate and mobile would really help this team, and Eli is neither.
he misses way too many easy throws and can't do much of anything when a play breaks down. he also can't throw downfield with any consistency.
Football games come down to a handful of plays and Eli usually is responsible for the team coming down on the wrong side of those plays.
I do not share this opinion. I thought Eli played well today, and under considerable pressure and taking some shots. He was suplexed on the fumble.
Come on man. Eli overthrew guys. He threw behind guys. He seen pressure that wasn't there and he stepped into pressure that he didn't need to. Eli played terribly. It's amazing the low bar that we've set for Eli. If he makes a couple of great throws, all is good!
And before all the Eli apologists go crazy, Eli was far from the biggest problem again today. But he did not play well.
Well, I did not say he was perfect. But, he was under pressure the whole game and he hit some big time throws. As far as stepping into pressure, I thought he moved well in the pocket at times and the "stepping" into pressure was often him moving from where the original pressure was coming from only to move into another rusher because the line kinda sucks.
Overall the Giants are bad team and Eli is caught up in all of that. But, he seems very far down the list of problems today.
Today did suck though, one of the worst days I can remember for the G-men.
Also, on the game thread and elsewhere many claim Eli throws helped the injuries along. Well, those are fluke injuries. The slant to Beckham was a bit high, but he leaves his feet all the time regardless. You would think Eli was the most inaccurate passer in the NFL and when I watch other games and compare QB's to Eli I do not see that at all.
what was much more obvious and problematic was his inability to escape any of that pressure, but more than that... were the absolute mis throws (high, long, before the receiver was ready) he made all day long.
he set up both SS and OBJ's injury plays with his inaccurate throws, and was missing wide open RB's in the flat all afternoon...never mind the long throws he missed in the 1st half that may have changed the complexion of the game.
How did defense get this bad in one year?
Need a couple WR's signed this week.
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Bullshit. He was on his back most of the day because he's playing behind a high school quality o-line or worse!
HOLY SHIT!!! Why don't we just trade Eli now, so he does t have to put up with this god awful shit offensive line! and we don't have to listen to all this Eli is the fucking problem with this team!! Give me a fucking break! The guy is getting killed out there, and he was pretty mobile out there when he could run for his life!!!
And so we might be looking at Lewis as the #1 next week! Wow wtf!
And so we might be looking at Lewis as the #1 next week! Wow wtf!
It will be good to see what Lewis can do when a DC is paying attention to him in a lineup and game prep. Right now, he looks good, but is he like a Beasley and nobody pays attention until he is unaccounted for and burns your ass.
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Good question!
I've been waiting for the seam pass to the TE all year. That's all we heard about. I really don't know, because I don't get to see every game. How many times have we actually run that play?
HOLY SHIT!!! Why don't we just trade Eli now, so he does t have to put up with this god awful shit offensive line!
I am pretty sure you were being sarcastic. However, if there is anyone out there with thoughts of trading Eli... who would make that trade and who would take Eli's contract?
No, the worst thing about this season is the 0-5 start by the Giants. Who gives a shit about the Jets. Would you have felt better if the Jets and Eagles were 0-5?
Harris has a fractured foot. Marshall a sprained ankle.
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Jets are 3-2? and the Eagles are 4-1...... damn this season hurts!
No, the worst thing about this season is the 0-5 start by the Giants. Who gives a shit about the Jets. Would you have felt better if the Jets and Eagles were 0-5?
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HOLY SHIT!!! Why don't we just trade Eli now, so he does t have to put up with this god awful shit offensive line!
I am pretty sure you were being sarcastic. However, if there is anyone out there with thoughts of trading Eli... who would make that trade and who would take Eli's contract?
Eric, yes I'm being sarcastic! The idiocy on this board is redicilous! The fucking guy has no line, no running game and now he has no receivers! but it's his fault! Has he been off, Absofuckingloutley but Please the guy is getting killed out there! He came into this game with a near 70% completion percentage and that's with over 14 drops! Yes they're dink and dunk, but that's wackadoo's offense and Eli is running it. There is virtually no opportunity to throw the deep ball and the receivers aren't getting much separation.
He added to his moronic offsides penalties total.
1- Eli stays at QB. There is no point to playing Geno or Webb for that matter. Let's hope the OL doesn't get Eli killed but he needs to stay out there because...
2- We need to let Evan Engram progress. He's been pretty invisible the first 5 games. He was brought here to be a matchup nightmare. Well, he's one of the last men standing. Let him learn what it takes to play well in this league. Make his mistakes now and correct them as the season goes along. One of the few blessings of the 2015 season was trial by fire for Collins which led to a breakout 2016. Here's hoping the same for Engram in 2018, and he will need Eli's help to get there.
3- Play Gallman more. Enough of Darkwa. He finally makes a play and gets hurt. Move on. Gallman looks like he could be a player for the Giants. Wouldn't it be nice to go into next season with at least 1 NFL running back on the roster? Gallman should be the Giants lead back for the remainder of the season. Again, learn on the fly and learn with Eli.
4- Sit Casillas. He's a captain. He's probably a really nice guy. He's also not in the future plans. Take a seat. Let's let Goodson continue to play and make his mistakes too, but get him in position to make a leap in 2018. Hell, I'd give more snaps to Munson at this point to see if he's worth developing more or just another Unga.
5- Play Eli Apple. Eli has not played well this year. He looks immature on the sidelines and he's making dumb mistakes. But cornerbacks tend to take a while to have it click. Look at Corey Webster as an example. Keep Apple in the lineup, deal with his mistakes until he starts to play better and get value for his draft position. He has talent, we saw it last year. But they need to use the remaining 11 games to regain his confidence.
6- Please start to test Rosas more. The Giants have passed on long field goal attempts for Rosas, I'm not talking about 65 yarders, but decently long attempts, around 53-54 yards. Let him kick it. We heard about his generational leg. Let him go out there and see what he can do. If he's the kicker of the future, let him try his craft.
7- Play Tomlinson more. Again, we've seen enough from Bromley to know what he is, a JAG. Get Tomlinson his experience in playing in the NFL trenches and get him ready for next year next to Snacks.
Otherwise, if you are going to lose, go big or go home. The 2014 season when the Giants went 7-9 after an 0-6 start was an abberation. They played a bunch of backup QBs for a long stretch or else they would have been a 3-13 team. That is what looms for the 2016 Giants. You can't get better in this league until you hit rock bottom and draft smart (or get lucky). Thank God they didn't trade for Staley or Thomas, that might have been Reese's best non-move yet.
Did I say today!! One game does not a running game make! Especially against the 32nd ranked run defense, but go ahead fire away!
I'm not sitting here calling for Webb though. Eli is still the guy but what are we salvaging? Sign some street guys/practice squad guys and see if we can find some viable starters for next year. No clue why but I feel relieved that I'm not going to be stressing over needing wins with this unit.
unless I missed something, we are talking about today's game.
unless I missed something, we are talking about today's game.
You want cliches , Eli is the problem! That's the biggest cliche used! I agreed he's been off, but if you think he's THE PROBLEM, I think you haven't been watching the games. Erik Flowers week after week has virtually sacked Eli himself, his man has sacked Eli with him holding on. This team is fucked, but Eli is not at the top of list of problems, top 5 yes but not the top.
unless I missed something, we are talking about today's game.
Did he or did he not give them two 4th quarter leads for the 3rd week in a row?
this is ridiculous; I have been one of Eli'd biggest fans... I get no joy out of criticizing him. I am sick over the state of the team -- but you guys are so blind to his sub par play right now.
but that is not exactly a defense of him saying he is one of the top 5 problems with this horrific team.
but that is not exactly a defense of him saying he is one of the top 5 problems with this horrific team.
LG, never said YOU were crushing Eli, but you took up the banner and ran with it. Credit to you, there are many here that are ripping him to pieces and calling for Webb to play, probably the same people who called for Nassib lol! Look Aaron Rodgers on this team would still be a losing team, maybe not 0-5 but a Losing team, Eli is not Aaron Rodgers, hell look at Big Ben! He's not pulling rabbits out his ass lately, but he as Eli I believe is not "THE" problem. That's my take, am I frustrated with this team yes, and I'm trying to look at the big picture not just focusing on one player.
I'm not holding my breath given how this team has gone with franchise type WRs. Odell will never be the same.
But he's not adept as a QB behind this shit OL. Its a terrible mismatch. He's never been the most accurate guy, and you can really see it now. He's also a guy who likes to avoid contact (chuck and duck) to stay healthy.
He was up and down today. Some nice passes (Lewis TD) and some bad misses. He missed easy swing passes today. He threw high today a lot, and it did set people up for hits. He was way off on deep throws. Even on completions, he's often not setting the player up to keep running as they have to adjust to the ball. And he was behind at least 2 sacks today by holding the ball or moving where he could be hit. And ball security again. Add the almost comical lack of mobility and athleticism and you have a QB for a stud OL, not this sieve of a line. He won't create, he can't scare a D by running it. He can't scramble well enough to make something of broken plays. And all our plays are ask broken as Harris's foot.
Eli has been feeling the pressure that is not there because of the OL slide that started in 2011(remember the SF game) then again starting game 7 of 2012 and the subsequent slide which forced JR to draft OL higher than rd 3 followed by other poor OL selections whiles skipping on Scherff... Ronny Stanley...Lewan...signaling on Conklin and getting manuevered...and no real FA adds to it the last 2 years.
6+ years of meh at best protection would turn even Tom Terrific into David Carr.
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Did JPP add to his sack total for the year?
He added to his moronic offsides penalties total.
Lmao my fiend and I have a running joke about jpp being cross eyed. There's no other explanation for a guy who's always lines up in the neutral zone. He can be called for it almost every play its mind boggling
It is.