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Eli doesn't deserve to end his career like this

nybeast : 10/8/2017 5:07 pm
Name the team/organization that Eli can properly end his career with? I believe Jacksonville would be a good spot, perhaps Miami or Minnesota. Arizona may need a veteran quarterback too. I haven't been following this season that closely, but those are some teams that come to mind. My what a terrible way to go out! 0-16? Has a QB gone to HOF with that on the resume?
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Eli doesn't deserve anything and he'll be cut after this season, not  
Devon : 10/8/2017 5:16 pm : link
traded.

I'm not a sentimental person at all, but I will say it does kind of suck that they can't speed it up and cut him now; even current Manning would make the Jags a title contender and he's certainly not doing anything worthwhile here.
Eli is not going anywhere  
Matt in SGS : 10/8/2017 5:16 pm : link
there might have to be some cap magic, but the Giants will be able to draft a top QB next year, have them compete with Webb, and have Eli run the team in 2018 as a mentor and try to keep the Giants competitive, similar to Favre in 2007 before giving the reigns to Rodgers. If the Giants end up not playing well, Eli will take a seat, similar to Kurt Warner before him, and let the new QB play. This year has cemented the fact that Eli will only have 1 more year in NY. And it's a reality of his age and where the Giants organization is. He's had a long, great run. He can still play. But it's time to move on.
Don't feel bad for Eli  
BigBlueShock : 10/8/2017 5:16 pm : link
Tell him to play better.
a no-trade clause  
SHO'NUFF : 10/8/2017 5:16 pm : link
that Eli can veto if he so chooses?
RE: Eli is not going anywhere  
dpinzow : 10/8/2017 5:17 pm : link
In comment 13636730 Matt in SGS said:
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there might have to be some cap magic, but the Giants will be able to draft a top QB next year, have them compete with Webb, and have Eli run the team in 2018 as a mentor and try to keep the Giants competitive, similar to Favre in 2007 before giving the reigns to Rodgers. If the Giants end up not playing well, Eli will take a seat, similar to Kurt Warner before him, and let the new QB play. This year has cemented the fact that Eli will only have 1 more year in NY. And it's a reality of his age and where the Giants organization is. He's had a long, great run. He can still play. But it's time to move on.


That's exactly it. They can't cut him until the 2018 season ends because it's an 18.6 million cap hit
Hasn't Eli said in the past  
steve in ky : 10/8/2017 5:18 pm : link
That playing for one team his entire career was something important to him to try and accomplish?
RE: I hope people realize  
newjacksm : 10/8/2017 5:20 pm : link
In comment 13636715 UberAlias said:
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Eli has a full no trade clause


Explain? I am not entirely sure what that means. I am assuming in short, he can't be traded... But what are the details.

contracts are contracts  
SHO'NUFF : 10/8/2017 5:20 pm : link
but if both sides really want something, they will get that something...We've seen it happen all the time in sports.
RE: Hasn't Eli said in the past  
Devon : 10/8/2017 5:20 pm : link
In comment 13636743 steve in ky said:
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That playing for one team his entire career was something important to him to try and accomplish?


Then he's going to retire because he's not going to be a Giant next year.

It's a bit of a hit, but they can make not picking up his option work. It's not an Everest-ish climb to do so, especially with how much if a rebuild they're going to be going through (hopefully).
RE: RE: RE: Eli ==> Jax  
jeff57 : 10/8/2017 5:21 pm : link
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for a first rounder? They have everything else they need.



You're not getting a first rounder.



A couple of years ago you could get 2 1st rounders for Eli but not at this point since his play has dropped off a little and he is near the end. At most a 2nd or a conditional 2nd


A 3.
Like I've been saying  
WillVAB : 10/8/2017 5:22 pm : link
JAX makes a ton of sense. They have an ascending defense, a solid OL, and a very good running game. All they would need is maybe another WR to compete w Robinson and Hurns next year. That division is wide open and he'd instantly make them a player in the AFC.
RE: Hasn't Eli said in the past  
AnnapolisMike : 10/8/2017 5:22 pm : link
In comment 13636743 steve in ky said:
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That playing for one team his entire career was something important to him to try and accomplish?


I think he will retire after next season
Heís the QB of an 0-5 team. Thatís what he is.  
RDJR : 10/8/2017 5:24 pm : link
It is a team sport, but heís the leader of the team.
i love eli  
japanhead : 10/8/2017 5:25 pm : link
but he was throwing multiple career enders out there today. put his receivers in a lot of bad spots with some of those throws.
RE: Like I've been saying  
japanhead : 10/8/2017 5:27 pm : link
In comment 13636780 WillVAB said:
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JAX makes a ton of sense. They have an ascending defense, a solid OL, and a very good running game. All they would need is maybe another WR to compete w Robinson and Hurns next year. That division is wide open and he'd instantly make them a player in the AFC.


i'm not sure it's clear that eli is a significant upgrade over blake bortles at this point. and it pains me to say that.
This thread needs a grenade ..  
Bluesbreaker : 10/8/2017 5:34 pm : link
Eli wasn't given a competent line or run game and they
brought in a system that never fit Eli's skills .
What the sack fumble while Flowers was getting ready to be
plated into Eli's lap he had to move out of the pocket .
Blame the garbage line in front of him and the garbage
system he was forced into .
He did not play well today  
hassan : 10/8/2017 5:36 pm : link
Anyone who thinks he did is delusional and does not know how to watch

He deserves better but I won't shed a tear for him he's rich and a winner.

He can still help a team in a limited set of situations. Very few will go for him maybe only jax.

No one will dole out more than a 3rd.
RE: RE: Hasn't Eli said in the past  
81_Great_Dane : 10/8/2017 5:37 pm : link
In comment 13636767 Devon said:
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Then he's going to retire because he's not going to be a Giant next year.
Eli's not going to retire unless he suffers a major, major injury. The Giants aren't going to get out of this hole that simply.
he's not mobile  
bc4life : 10/8/2017 5:39 pm : link
they have to have a running game
RE: He did not play well today  
81_Great_Dane : 10/8/2017 5:39 pm : link
In comment 13636874 hassan said:
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Anyone who thinks he did is delusional and does not know how to watch
No, he wasn't great today. But there was a lot more wrong than Eli. Losing his top four WRs didn't help, either. That was ridiculous.
For the morons, I'll type this slowly  
Britt in VA : 10/8/2017 5:40 pm : link
Eli

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Contract.
RE: RE: RE: Hasn't Eli said in the past  
dpinzow : 10/8/2017 5:40 pm : link
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Then he's going to retire because he's not going to be a Giant next year.

Eli's not going to retire unless he suffers a major, major injury. The Giants aren't going to get out of this hole that simply.


Actually they get out of this pretty easily by Eli simply playing out 2018 either as the starter or in the Kurt Warner 2004 role
RE: RE: Like I've been saying  
Devon : 10/8/2017 5:44 pm : link
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JAX makes a ton of sense. They have an ascending defense, a solid OL, and a very good running game. All they would need is maybe another WR to compete w Robinson and Hurns next year. That division is wide open and he'd instantly make them a player in the AFC.



i'm not sure it's clear that eli is a significant upgrade over blake bortles at this point. and it pains me to say that.


It should because it's a dumb comment.

Eli is a mediocre QB this year, but mediocrity is on another level than what Bortles is and how the Jags are desperately trying to hide him.
Eli played just fine today - He was under duress most of the time  
PatersonPlank : 10/8/2017 5:44 pm : link
What did they have, 5 sacks, 12 hits, 7 hurries (or something like that). He still threw for 2 TDs and 225 yards, without the starting WR's for various portions of the game.

He is not the issue. He is also not the future. I think we need to give Webb some time and see what we have, so we can make decisions for the 2018 draft.
eli is due 5 million  
sundayatone : 10/8/2017 5:46 pm : link
on the 3rd day of the new league year,will they pay it?
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Devon : 10/8/2017 5:47 pm : link
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Then he's going to retire because he's not going to be a Giant next year.

Eli's not going to retire unless he suffers a major, major injury. The Giants aren't going to get out of this hole that simply.



Actually they get out of this pretty easily by Eli simply playing out 2018 either as the starter or in the Kurt Warner 2004 role


Eli won't play the Warner role, knowing going in that he could be benched at any minute. If something were to happen in season to greatly disrupt things that would be one thing, but he's not going to set himself up that way. It's not how Mannings work.

I think people are overestimating how difficult it will be to make his deal work, in terms of parting ways. They didn't stick in those roster options for kicks. And they're going to be rebuilding, which changes the financial landscape even more.
Neither do I.  
old man : 10/8/2017 6:02 pm : link
The good news:
Eli is not a quitter.
Bad news:
He's not a quitter.
My opinion: he will reap the benefits of a turnaround by the end of his contract and the team has several overt and underlying issues that can't be quickfixed.
If I am him I make a major evaluation this offseason...if he survives this one...sit down with Abby...look at his 3 girls and decide he needs to enjoy them.
Media willput a hatestorm on him for quitting...like at the beginning because of the SD thing but then they can find a new guy....I. volunteer EElliot.....enjoy his family and Foundations.... and let the Giants move on as well.
This FO will likely guarentee he'd retire with a losing record over his career if he plays out the contract.
RE: RE: Yes, he does  
section125 : 10/8/2017 6:07 pm : link
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He was truly awful today

I was a huge Eli supporter and. I donít blame him for this shot show but he is cleRly part of the problem not the solution

Eli era is over
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He was bad today?


Are you blind, or didn't you watch?
He has two Superbowl rings  
Sarcastic Sam : 10/8/2017 6:07 pm : link
and a crapton of money. I think he'll be OK.
RE: he's not mobile  
section125 : 10/8/2017 6:09 pm : link
In comment 13636888 bc4life said:
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they have to have a running game


They had one today and he played his worst game this year.
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japanhead : 10/8/2017 6:10 pm : link
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JAX makes a ton of sense. They have an ascending defense, a solid OL, and a very good running game. All they would need is maybe another WR to compete w Robinson and Hurns next year. That division is wide open and he'd instantly make them a player in the AFC.



i'm not sure it's clear that eli is a significant upgrade over blake bortles at this point. and it pains me to say that.



It should because it's a dumb comment.

Eli is a mediocre QB this year, but mediocrity is on another level than what Bortles is and how the Jags are desperately trying to hide him.


it's a moot point since eli is essentially untradeable until after next year but i'm not sure it's clear that any team including jacksonville will be chomping at the bit to trade for a 38 year-old eli. not saying bortles is anything better than average, but it is only his 4th year in the league and yes, he's been inconsistent. but recall that there were legit doubts about eli late into his 4th year (e.g., the 4-pick game v. minnesota as the team was fighting for a playoff spot), pretty much until he answered the doubters with that first playoff run and superbowl win that year.
He's not the bigger issue on the team  
hassan : 10/8/2017 6:10 pm : link
But he missed targets all game, walked into a few sacks and fumbled the ball right after putting a slant high that caused a season ender for Odell.

Not a good game from him. He's a mid level qb at the point. And he's near the end- hope he realizes to hang em up or take a trade.
RE: RE: Hasn't Eli said in the past  
Britt in VA : 10/8/2017 6:11 pm : link
In comment 13636767 Devon said:
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That playing for one team his entire career was something important to him to try and accomplish?



Then he's going to retire because he's not going to be a Giant next year.

It's a bit of a hit, but they can make not picking up his option work. It's not an Everest-ish climb to do so, especially with how much if a rebuild they're going to be going through (hopefully).


Wanna bet?
Manning made some amazing, amazing plays today and the  
idiotsavant : 10/8/2017 6:11 pm : link
past few weeks.

Problem is that the team was put together by a GM who doesn't understand football, who apparently conned ownership into thinking its on everyone else.

Overthrew a few people? Yes, to be sure.

But winning teams are built with fundamentals that we lack.
Anyone who has followed  
Thatís Gold, Jerry : 10/8/2017 6:11 pm : link
The Giants over the last few years has seen this coming...when you allow an obviously incompetent GM to stay in place this is not surprising.

This mess is at the feet of John Mara/Steve Tisch even more than it is Reese.

Incompetence breeds incompetence
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Devon : 10/8/2017 6:13 pm : link
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JAX makes a ton of sense. They have an ascending defense, a solid OL, and a very good running game. All they would need is maybe another WR to compete w Robinson and Hurns next year. That division is wide open and he'd instantly make them a player in the AFC.



i'm not sure it's clear that eli is a significant upgrade over blake bortles at this point. and it pains me to say that.



It should because it's a dumb comment.

Eli is a mediocre QB this year, but mediocrity is on another level than what Bortles is and how the Jags are desperately trying to hide him.



it's a moot point since eli is essentially untradeable until after next year but i'm not sure it's clear that any team including jacksonville will be chomping at the bit to trade for a 38 year-old eli. not saying bortles is anything better than average, but it is only his 4th year in the league and yes, he's been inconsistent. but recall that there were legit doubts about eli late into his 4th year (e.g., the 4-pick game v. minnesota as the team was fighting for a playoff spot), pretty much until he answered the doubters with that first playoff run and superbowl win that year.


Eli is untradeable because he has a NTC. When people are saying he could play for another team, they mean (or should mean) it will be after he's cut and will be a free agent, no strings other then cash.

It will take some work by the cap guys in the FO, but it's definitely a real possibility he will be gone after this season, given where the team is at.
RE: RE: RE: Hasn't Eli said in the past  
Devon : 10/8/2017 6:14 pm : link
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That playing for one team his entire career was something important to him to try and accomplish?



Then he's going to retire because he's not going to be a Giant next year.

It's a bit of a hit, but they can make not picking up his option work. It's not an Everest-ish climb to do so, especially with how much if a rebuild they're going to be going through (hopefully).



Wanna bet?


I'd take a ban bet on this actually, but odds are I probably won't be posting here that much longer anyway, so it would be pointless.
RE: He's not the bigger issue on the team  
section125 : 10/8/2017 6:18 pm : link
In comment 13637012 hassan said:
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But he missed targets all game, walked into a few sacks and fumbled the ball right after putting a slant high that caused a season ender for Odell.

Not a good game from him. He's a mid level qb at the point. And he's near the end- hope he realizes to hang em up or take a trade.


Thank you hassan. I agree. He had a very good 3rd quarter, thought he was waking up. But the first two sacks were on him and the fumble was on him.
RE: Deserve?  
Milton : 10/8/2017 6:25 pm : link
In comment 13636681 81_Great_Dane said:
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. Deserve... - ( New Window )
Beat me to it!
He won't end his career like this.,  
Matt M. : 10/8/2017 6:27 pm : link
He very well may end his career with another organization. If he does, I'd really like him to go to a contender and lead them to the holy land.
Iíll always be an Eli fan  
Vanzetti : 10/8/2017 6:29 pm : link
But he was truly awful today. Almost literally killed his WRs with off target passes
He's a big  
Les in TO : 10/8/2017 6:32 pm : link
Reason they are 0-5
Hart pushed a DE right into Manning for a key sack  
idiotsavant : 10/8/2017 6:33 pm : link
Then jumped up and down like a six year old girl who didn't make the ballet squad, shaking his fists and hopping up and down. No field sense at all. He had his man and simply felt a push up field was enough.

Last drive, leading, 4 minutes ...I think...
RE: He's a big  
Toth029 : 10/8/2017 7:19 pm : link
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Reason they are 0-5

You can't be serious.
RE: Iíll always be an Eli fan  
PatersonPlank : 10/8/2017 7:21 pm : link
In comment 13637085 Vanzetti said:
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But he was truly awful today. Almost literally killed his WRs with off target passes


This is ridiculous. He was constantly harassed but still threw for 2 TDs and 225 yards. He kept us in it.
It's not on Eli  
Millburn : 10/8/2017 8:09 pm : link
Fire Reese,right now!


Then call in Victor Cruz to fill in ,finish out the year and start new .Reese should have nothing to do with next years draft!!!
Bad situation and Eli made it worse several times. Tough to blame  
Jimmy Googs : 10/8/2017 8:18 pm : link
him but he was inaccurate on throws not under duress as much as under duress.

What is occurring with our Offense is getting guys hurt now. And unfortunately Eli is stuck in the middle of it...
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chopperhatch : 10/8/2017 9:01 pm : link
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Then he's going to retire because he's not going to be a Giant next year.

Eli's not going to retire unless he suffers a major, major injury. The Giants aren't going to get out of this hole that simply.



Actually they get out of this pretty easily by Eli simply playing out 2018 either as the starter or in the Kurt Warner 2004 role



Eli won't play the Warner role, knowing going in that he could be benched at any minute. If something were to happen in season to greatly disrupt things that would be one thing, but he's not going to set himself up that way. It's not how Mannings work.

I think people are overestimating how difficult it will be to make his deal work, in terms of parting ways. They didn't stick in those roster options for kicks. And they're going to be rebuilding, which changes the financial landscape even more.


What a dumb dumb comparison. Warner signed with the Giants a little morecthan a month after the Giants traded for the player taken number 1 overall who was looked at as the best QB prospect in that draft. He also was jobless at that point and for all intents and purposes used the Giants to lengthen his career.

Eli Manning HAS a job and a contract with the Giants. He has been here for a decade and a half. He is the franchise leader in virtually every major statistical offensive category, has two remarkable SB victories under his belt, and is universally beloved by his fan base. If the Giants are fortunate enough to usher in a new QB era while Eli finishes his, Eli will not be playing a "role." He will be playing out his contract.

The dumb shit we read on this board is almost as bad as the Giants starting 0-5
RE: RE: RE: RE: Like I've been saying  
WillVAB : 10/8/2017 9:13 pm : link
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JAX makes a ton of sense. They have an ascending defense, a solid OL, and a very good running game. All they would need is maybe another WR to compete w Robinson and Hurns next year. That division is wide open and he'd instantly make them a player in the AFC.



i'm not sure it's clear that eli is a significant upgrade over blake bortles at this point. and it pains me to say that.



It should because it's a dumb comment.

Eli is a mediocre QB this year, but mediocrity is on another level than what Bortles is and how the Jags are desperately trying to hide him.



it's a moot point since eli is essentially untradeable until after next year but i'm not sure it's clear that any team including jacksonville will be chomping at the bit to trade for a 38 year-old eli. not saying bortles is anything better than average, but it is only his 4th year in the league and yes, he's been inconsistent. but recall that there were legit doubts about eli late into his 4th year (e.g., the 4-pick game v. minnesota as the team was fighting for a playoff spot), pretty much until he answered the doubters with that first playoff run and superbowl win that year.


Put Eli on a competent team with a competent coaching staff and he'll produce. He's produced this year with an absolute shit show around him from top to bottom.

As others have said, Eli has a no trade clause. But if he was available, there's no doubt JAX would be interested. There's the Coughlin connection, Eli is extremely durable, he can still play, and JAX is arguably a QB away. It would be like Warner going to AZ.
Eli is not the problem  
GeorgeAdams33 : 10/8/2017 11:40 pm : link
Tom Coughlin was not the problem

Kevin Gilbride was not the problem

Hell, even Perry Fewell was not the problem

Am I getting warmer??
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