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Are the Giants facing a similar scenario to Peyton/Colts?

Danthebigbluefan : 10/8/2017 5:59 pm
Right now, we're probably looking at 0-7 heading into the bye. There's a realistic chance right now, especially with the injury to OBJ (and others appearing to drop like flies - this is just the start), that the Giants have the first overall pick. Even right now I'd bet on a top 3 pick being very likely.

Baker Mayfield could be a top pick in the draft and I've been on the side the firmly believes Eli still is very capable of winning a championship with the Giants. But, the state of the franchise right now looks like a team that is transitioning. I don't believe McAdoo and this regime will be back. I can't fathom the Mara's sticking with Reese and I expect a full house clean. With that, I expect the QB position and all current assets to be seriously looked at. Eli, OBJ, etc.

Will we see Eli moved? Is that a realistic possibility to then pave the way for a new younger top-talent QB to come in? The WR corps (assuming they re-sign and keep OBJ long-term) is pretty solid. The OL is obviously a mess. There's a solid core of players on defense that I think as you continue to build around can be elite.

The question is, who's going to trade for Eli and his massive contract? He's not Peyton, but I still think plenty of teams that are looking for a QB would trade for him.

It's not how I envisioned the end of his career in NY, but I'm starting to see that as a realistic possibility if this team continues to completely go bust this season and ends up with a top pick. And, at some point, whoever is running the Giants heading into the 2018 offseason needs to seriously evaluate without compassion the team's assets and ability to compete. Other teams have been getting younger and much more talented while we've floundered for the last half-decade.
Draft a QB  
spike : 10/8/2017 6:01 pm : link
Eli is untradable and will play out 2018 as mentor to the heir apparent. It will be a great opportunity for the new QB to learn from Eli
No.  
Britt in VA : 10/8/2017 6:01 pm : link
1. Eli can't be traded.

2. Eli is not coming off 4 neck surgeries, missing a complete year, and unsure if he'll ever play again.
Itís not Eli  
blueblood'11 : 10/8/2017 6:05 pm : link
Itís the fact the offensive line needs to be upgraded and the head coach needs to go. They were running the ball down the chargers throat in the first period then he abandoned it. Is inability to put his skill players in position to get favorable matchups I believe has led to players pressing which leads to injuries . McAdoo needs to go.
if at top of draft, then this group of qbs  
micky : 10/8/2017 6:05 pm : link
coming out have potential to be franchise type.

imo, trading Eli (if possible) for picks and or etc. would be ideal. hate though to see him in another uni..but it may be beneficial for both parties. however, you have to know this a business when you let sentiments get in the way then you are going to make mistakes. it's a business
I guess anything is possible  
Rjanyg : 10/8/2017 6:07 pm : link
But it is not like the Giants to trade away franchise players. Things can change quickly in the NFL. Just like one year being 11-5 and the next year starting 0-5.

Add a couple of O linemen, another WR, RB, LB, DT and this team could be very good next year.

Oh, and fire the coach
RE: No.  
WillVAB : 10/8/2017 6:08 pm : link
In comment 13636970 Britt in VA said:
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1. Eli can't be traded.

2. Eli is not coming off 4 neck surgeries, missing a complete year, and unsure if he'll ever play again.


This.

And did the Colts end up better going that route?
RE: RE: No.  
Britt in VA : 10/8/2017 6:09 pm : link
In comment 13636996 WillVAB said:
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In comment 13636970 Britt in VA said:


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1. Eli can't be traded.

2. Eli is not coming off 4 neck surgeries, missing a complete year, and unsure if he'll ever play again.



This.

And did the Colts end up better going that route?


Excellent point.
Eli has a no trade  
arniefez : 10/8/2017 6:09 pm : link
And cutting him before next year is too much of a cap hit but heíll be gone after 2018 and that will be the end of the Giants as Iíve known them. Eli is the last Giant who will ever matter.
Eli has a full NTC. He will not be traded.  
Devon : 10/8/2017 6:09 pm : link
He has to be cut/not have his option picked up..

He made sure he could control his own destiny in this situation.
Baker Mayfield the top pick in the draft....  
Tom in NY : 10/8/2017 6:11 pm : link
please continue with your hilarity!
Similar to Peyton?  
Jim in NH : 10/8/2017 6:11 pm : link
No.

When Peyton went to Denver he was still good.
Right now, Baker Mayfield is not a 1st round pick  
EmpireWF : 10/8/2017 6:26 pm : link
He's considered a 2nd-3rd rounder. Darnold and Rosen (with Jackson and Allen being options later in the first) should be the top QBs. Saquon Barkley is the best player available, though.
Having a no trade clause doesn't mean he can't be traded  
Matt M. : 10/8/2017 6:29 pm : link
It just means he has control of where he could end up.
Trade Possibilities  
twostepgiants : 10/8/2017 6:30 pm : link
The Denver Broncos- Elway already showed he believes in QBs to win SBs and would abandon a subpar QB who had won - Broncos won division, won a playoff game and made second round yet they ditched Tebow and his fans and went for Peyton. Eli is obviously very aware of the organization and might feel comfortable playing 2-3 years there.

Jacksonville Jaguars- With Coughlin in Jacksonville, Eli might also feel comfortable going there. They are in desperate need of a QB and are young and about ready, they could be a contender for Eliís 2 or 3years left.

RE: Itís not Eli  
Josh in the City : 10/8/2017 6:33 pm : link
In comment 13636978 blueblood'11 said:
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Itís the fact the offensive line needs to be upgraded and the head coach needs to go. They were running the ball down the chargers throat in the first period then he abandoned it. Is inability to put his skill players in position to get favorable matchups I believe has led to players pressing which leads to injuries . McAdoo needs to go.


Youíre missing the point. It doesnt matter if its eli or not. Itís not often you have the opportunity to draft a franchise QB and thereís no debating that eli is at the end of his career. If you have the opportunity to draft someone who you think can be your QB for the next 10+ yrs you take it. And if you take it then you do not extend eli after his contract expires. Itís really that simple.
Denver  
Fish : 10/8/2017 6:55 pm : link
With Eli would be super bowl bound.
I'm as upset as anyone with the way this season has played out  
Jay on the Island : 10/8/2017 6:57 pm : link
Looking at the bright side the Giants might get their next franchise QB out of it. We could look back in 3-4 years and be thankful that the team tanked.
RE: Eli has a full NTC. He will not be traded.  
FStubbs : 10/8/2017 8:20 pm : link
In comment 13637005 Devon said:
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He has to be cut/not have his option picked up..

He made sure he could control his own destiny in this situation.


Why would Eli stay? This team is about to be blown up. It's in his best interests to move on.
RE: RE: Itís not Eli  
WillVAB : 10/8/2017 8:44 pm : link
In comment 13637105 Josh in the City said:
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In comment 13636978 blueblood'11 said:


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Itís the fact the offensive line needs to be upgraded and the head coach needs to go. They were running the ball down the chargers throat in the first period then he abandoned it. Is inability to put his skill players in position to get favorable matchups I believe has led to players pressing which leads to injuries . McAdoo needs to go.



Youíre missing the point. It doesnt matter if its eli or not. Itís not often you have the opportunity to draft a franchise QB and thereís no debating that eli is at the end of his career. If you have the opportunity to draft someone who you think can be your QB for the next 10+ yrs you take it. And if you take it then you do not extend eli after his contract expires. Itís really that simple.


The Colts are 51-34 and trending downward -- that's after drafting the spawn of Jesus Christ/Joe Montana, Andrew Luck.

Drafting a QB just ensures perpetual mediocrity or worse for this franchise for the foreseeable future.
RE: RE: Eli has a full NTC. He will not be traded.  
Devon : 10/8/2017 8:49 pm : link
In comment 13637501 FStubbs said:
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In comment 13637005 Devon said:


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He has to be cut/not have his option picked up..

He made sure he could control his own destiny in this situation.



Why would Eli stay? This team is about to be blown up. It's in his best interests to move on.


It's not about staying (though I do think he has built his life in NJ/NY and probably would stay if given the choice), it's about entirely choosing where he goes and allowing that team to acquire him without mortgaging anything.

He doesn't have the same value to another team if they have to give something up for him vs just sign him as a FA, cut from another squad.
RE: Baker Mayfield the top pick in the draft....  
Ned In Atlanta : 10/8/2017 8:50 pm : link
In comment 13637018 Tom in NY said:
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please continue with your hilarity!



I'm surprised it took this long. I stopped reading once I came to Baker Mayfield being the top pick in the draft
Not the exact same scenario  
dpinzow : 10/8/2017 8:57 pm : link
Peyton was out the entire year with the neck injury and the Colts were unsure whether he could play again. Eli has been on the field every snap for this 0-5 start. Also think Eli is here in 2018; Peyton went to Denver immediately after the 2011 neck surgery
RE: Draft a QB  
dpinzow : 10/8/2017 8:59 pm : link
In comment 13636968 spike said:
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Eli is untradable and will play out 2018 as mentor to the heir apparent. It will be a great opportunity for the new QB to learn from Eli


Eli is also impossible to cut with all the money he's still owed. He has to be on the roster for 2018. After 2018 there's only 1 year left on his deal so the cap hit isn't so severe
RE: RE: RE: No.  
Essex : 10/8/2017 9:10 pm : link
In comment 13637000 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 13636970 Britt in VA said:


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1. Eli can't be traded.

2. Eli is not coming off 4 neck surgeries, missing a complete year, and unsure if he'll ever play again.



This.

And did the Colts end up better going that route?



Excellent point.


Yes, they did, itís a terrible point. LUck is hurt now and was last year, but in the first three years in league he dramatically improved colts and brought them to the championship game in Foxboro. They also get the rest of his career. If Peyton had stayed there, would he have won as much maybe, maybe not. But just look at the quality of football that they have had since Luck went down. Any team that is drafting that high with a 36 year old qb and doesnít draft a qb that they can think will be a franchise an for 15 years is making bad move. Josh Rosen is what 20, he will be fine on bench until!we can move on from Eli. And I love Eli and do not think he is done.
RE: RE: RE: RE: No.  
WillVAB : 10/8/2017 9:43 pm : link
In comment 13637718 Essex said:
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In comment 13636996 WillVAB said:


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In comment 13636970 Britt in VA said:


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1. Eli can't be traded.

2. Eli is not coming off 4 neck surgeries, missing a complete year, and unsure if he'll ever play again.



This.

And did the Colts end up better going that route?



Excellent point.



Yes, they did, itís a terrible point. LUck is hurt now and was last year, but in the first three years in league he dramatically improved colts and brought them to the championship game in Foxboro. They also get the rest of his career. If Peyton had stayed there, would he have won as much maybe, maybe not. But just look at the quality of football that they have had since Luck went down. Any team that is drafting that high with a 36 year old qb and doesnít draft a qb that they can think will be a franchise an for 15 years is making bad move. Josh Rosen is what 20, he will be fine on bench until!we can move on from Eli. And I love Eli and do not think he is done.


1. No QB in this draft is a can't miss QB.

2. The OL would ruin the career of the QB even if he was good.

3. The offensive scheme is rotten.

RE: Luck, the point is the Colts are no where near a championship and show no signs of going in that direction, with or without him.

I guess it comes down to what you value as a fan. I always thought the goal was championships.
Can't start talking about drafting a QB  
eclipz928 : 10/8/2017 9:48 pm : link
until we see what Davis Webb can do. If the Giants end up with a top 3 pick they'd be better off at this point trading it for more picks.
I have no idea if a Qb is canít miss or not.  
Essex : 10/8/2017 9:51 pm : link
What I can tell you is that if the Giants think there is a qb they really likeóas in they can see him being a top 10 qb for 15 yearsó it would be malpractice not to take him, just like it would have been malpractice not to take Luck. I donít care what they did with Peyton, trade him, keep him, whatever they wanted to do, but you never pass up a player you believe is a franchise qb because you have an old franchise qb. And, didnít Luck beat the Broncos, a team with a much better defense, with Luck in the 2014 playoffs?
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