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B in ALB : 10/8/2017 6:40 pm
to put Ben McAdoo in "hewhoshallnotbenamed" status with the other idiot?

It has been 26 years since i've seen a Giants team so ill-prepared, lacking in fundamentals, without direction, penalty and mistake-prone at least twice a series on both sides of the ball (think about that for a second and digest it), and absolutely no accountability on and off the field.

The old saying - the fish stinks from the head down - couldn't speak the truth more than it does for this Giants team. I don't know where they found this guy. I don't know what he said in his interviews to snake oil sell the Maras. I don't know whose dick he had to suck to get this job. I have never been less impressed with a coach outside of Greg Robinson at Syracuse. Even Greg Shiano laughed at that fuckstain.

In a way, I feel bad for the guy. He's clearly in over his head and he knows it. He's got to go home to his wife, have her powerwash the pomade out of his hair, make sure he has a fresh pair of tighty whities after shitting in his BVDs after halftime, figure out how to microwave a Hungry Man TV dinner and watch film so that the Giants can play complimentary football and get back to work on the road in Denver against the Broncos.

He is 0-6 in the most brutal media and fan market in the league. He just lost FOUR wide receivers in the span of three quarters. He lost the best player on the team for the year. He has no OL. He has no DL. Who is going to return kicks next week? Think about that? Who is the return man on punts and kickoffs?

(and to make it worse, all these injuries work like a Get Outta Jail Free Card for a return next season)

Holy. Shit.

So, is it too early to induct McNcheese into the Giants Hall of Absolute Watery Shit? I say he's earned the nomination undoubtedly, but will he get the votes?
Honest answer  
UConn4523 : 10/8/2017 6:41 pm : link
I just don't care. Won't pretend to know what the right move is like so many on BBI. I'll sit back and watch the dust settle and see what happens.
we were 11-5  
bluepepper : 10/8/2017 6:44 pm : link
in his first year. If we had gone 11-5 in 1991 with the defending Super Bowl champs then the other guy wouldn't be unmentionable.

No doubt we should move on next year but no need to pile on and humiliate this guy.
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Danny Kanell : 10/8/2017 6:45 pm : link
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It has been 26 years since i've seen a Giants team so ill-prepared, lacking in fundamentals, without direction, penalty and mistake-prone at least twice a series on both sides of the ball (think about that for a second and digest it), and absolutely no accountability on and off the field.


You mustíve slept through a few of those recent Coughlin years.
not to mention that  
bluepepper : 10/8/2017 6:45 pm : link
the other guy had some rather interesting off the field habits as well.
macadoofus  
sundayatone : 10/8/2017 6:46 pm : link
is like rich kotite
RE: not to mention that  
well...bye TC : 10/8/2017 6:47 pm : link
In comment 13637171 bluepepper said:
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the other guy had some rather interesting off the field habits as well.

THIS
RE: we were 11-5  
B in ALB : 10/8/2017 6:48 pm : link
In comment 13637162 bluepepper said:
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in his first year. If we had gone 11-5 in 1991 with the defending Super Bowl champs then the other guy wouldn't be unmentionable.

No doubt we should move on next year but no need to pile on and humiliate this guy.


I'm not piling on. I feel bad for the guy like I mentioned. That has little to do with the fact that I think he's a shitty coach.
RE: not to mention that  
B in ALB : 10/8/2017 6:48 pm : link
In comment 13637171 bluepepper said:
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the other guy had some rather interesting off the field habits as well.


He was known to play a game of cards every now and then. So what?
I think he is over jobbed  
larryflower37 : 10/8/2017 6:53 pm : link
He doesn't have the experience necessary to run a team.
They promoted him to early and it shows.

He only had 2 years of play calling and the defense saved him last year.

He might be a great head coach someday but I don't have the patience to wait
Last season was a mirage ...  
Bluesbreaker : 10/8/2017 6:56 pm : link
Everything went right for the Giants on defense and on offense it was Eli to OBJ and nothing else with a cakewalk
schedule we scratched and clawed our way to enough points to win while riding the backs of the defense that wore down
in the end . The problems on offense were as clear as day
RB a #2 WR and the O-line and TE out of the three the
most important aspect was not addressed which was the O-line
that made the defenses job quite simple they could play deep rush the passer and ignore the run game . No threat of a
breakaway run . Same formation 95% of the time .
This season with a brutal schedule and the truth unfolds .
If I were Eli I would be pissed about having to play behind
this mess of an offensive line .
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arcarsenal : 10/8/2017 6:57 pm : link
First coach I've ever had such polar stances on, I think.

I thought this guy had a great feel for the game last year - I thought his game management was solid, thought he was a guy who would be good for the younger guys on the team.

I was totally fooled. The guy is clueless.
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Danny Kanell : 10/8/2017 6:58 pm : link
In comment 13637209 arcarsenal said:
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First coach I've ever had such polar stances on, I think.

I thought this guy had a great feel for the game last year - I thought his game management was solid, thought he was a guy who would be good for the younger guys on the team.

I was totally fooled. The guy is clueless.


Same here.
I don't know what to make of McAdoo.  
81_Great_Dane : 10/8/2017 7:12 pm : link
The Giants were better last year, and McAdoo was coach then, too.

But I watch other teams and they look focused, prepared, crisp and fast, like they have a plan and they know how to execute it, even if the other team makes a play sometimes.

The Giants look unfocused and unprepared on both sides of the ball, like they never quite finished putting in the game plan. I guess that's on the head coach. Something's not right, for sure.
Accountability  
malslayer : 10/8/2017 7:19 pm : link
Someone said it, not sure who, But the team doesn't seem to have any passion. Collins has started with coaching finger pointing in his post game interview saying to ask the coach why the defense cant make a stop, at the end of the game.

Mc has lost the team, there are no player leaders. Not on offense, not on defense. Beckham' childlike behavior aside, he is the only one who displays passion. Spags having players run film is his attempt at trying to ignite some fire, walk the professional pride line carefully, but still not en ough.

JPP playing like a recently paid pro, but he isn't a leader. Vet players with big contracts and rookie contracts nearing end, more concerned about their TD dances and kneeling and protesting, then winning games. Injuries starting to pop now (beckham / marshal aside).

Where is the NY Giant Pride? sadly none on display. This is on the coach and starting to include all the coordinators.

Put me down on the firing of mc at the bye with promo of spags rest of season with open hc interviews at seasons end with rebuild of offense and open qb competition with Eli at seasons end. Only thing that will keep this fan interested remainder of year.

Something does stink and agree it starts top down
really just piss poor coaching  
TexasGmenFan : 10/8/2017 7:38 pm : link
in all facets. and for those that want to keep pointing to last year's 11-5, that was predicated on the stars aligning for the *purchased* defense and having a guy that half the fan-base seemingly wants to get rid of making at least 1 game breaking play weekly just to muster enough points to win a game.

combine last year's smoke and mirrors with this year's shitshow...

of course, somehow, he and Reese/Ross will be back and allowed to hit a reset button. at least the other shithead was canned after 2 years.
yes he's another Ray Handley  
micky : 10/8/2017 7:40 pm : link
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djm : 10/8/2017 7:52 pm : link
In comment 13637209 arcarsenal said:
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First coach I've ever had such polar stances on, I think.

I thought this guy had a great feel for the game last year - I thought his game management was solid, thought he was a guy who would be good for the younger guys on the team.

I was totally fooled. The guy is clueless.


Same here. I loved mcadoo last year. Really I did... I thought the talent on O was lacking and he did what he had to do to win games. 11 personnel whatever, it worked even if the O struggled mightily. It worked.

After Dallas week 1 I just couldn't shake this feeling that mcadoo is in over his head. I've never ever ever flipped so fast on a HC in my lifetime. Never soured like this. I could be wrong shit I usually am but I'm confident in my beliefs here. The guy is a mess.
To me he started losing me  
Rjanyg : 10/8/2017 8:26 pm : link
When he goes for it on 4th right before halftime in Philly. You need points in the road and there was plenty of time in the game to only be down 4 at half. You take points in the road.

We have a shit ton of injuries, with OBJ gone for the year, Marshall, Shep and Harris all injured, not mention Vernon. We have no pass rush and no deep threat.

He is really in over his head now because we have a depleted roster.

I would call King and Cruz and hope Marshall or Shepard can come back soon
RE: Accountability  
GiantGrit : 10/8/2017 8:53 pm : link
In comment 13637244 malslayer said:
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Someone said it, not sure who, But the team doesn't seem to have any passion. Collins has started with coaching finger pointing in his post game interview saying to ask the coach why the defense cant make a stop, at the end of the game.

Mc has lost the team, there are no player leaders. Not on offense, not on defense. Beckham' childlike behavior aside, he is the only one who displays passion. Spags having players run film is his attempt at trying to ignite some fire, walk the professional pride line carefully, but still not en ough.

JPP playing like a recently paid pro, but he isn't a leader. Vet players with big contracts and rookie contracts nearing end, more concerned about their TD dances and kneeling and protesting, then winning games. Injuries starting to pop now (beckham / marshal aside).

Where is the NY Giant Pride? sadly none on display. This is on the coach and starting to include all the coordinators.

Put me down on the firing of mc at the bye with promo of spags rest of season with open hc interviews at seasons end with rebuild of offense and open qb competition with Eli at seasons end. Only thing that will keep this fan interested remainder of year.

Agreed! I've noticed the same thing all year. As my d-line coach used to say "whose gonna be the prick?" We have none. Seems like everyone is afraid to speak up and be a leader b/c it involves calling people out.

Something does stink and agree it starts top down
Not the first time  
JohnF : 10/8/2017 9:19 pm : link
We've seen this

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ďIf something could go wrong, the team would help it along and make it go wrong. You donít want to say every break went against the team. The team really had a lot to do with it and thereís no question that it was a great learning experience for the Head Coach. I think it is for all coaches. Ö

(After the season) I was in the weight room one day and he came in and he started talking to me and he said, ĎIf I survive this, if Iím the Giants coach next year, I promise you weíre going to do it my way now.í Iíll never forget that and Iím sure that he had built up all these beliefs and ways to run a football team and he didnít do them his first year as a head coach. That would be a terrible burden to carry. So his second year when we went to training camp he was a different guy. As he said, he did it his way.

ďHe probably was able to create the true line between him and the players, which maybe he didnít do that the first year. He just started acting the way he wanted to act. Iím not going to say the pressure was off. The pressure to win was great, of course. I think we all feel better when we just do it our way. There had to be a sense of calmness to him with the fact he could go, ĎIím just being me now.í Because thatís what it was. He really was just himself.Ē


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"At the end of the 1983 season, I think we were 3-12-1, we had an inordinate number of players on injured reserve, we just had no team by the end of the year. General manager George Young really was considering firing Bill and actually had been speaking with Howard Schnellenberger at the time. I still remember to this day George saying to my father and me, ďI canít get him this year but I might be able to get him next year, so letís go with Bill one more year.íí

George was also sensitive to the fact that it was Billís first year and we had all these guys hurt so maybe he deserves another chance as well. The unknown question is: Had Schnellenberger said yes, what would we have done? Fortunately he didnít say yes.

I think about this all the time: What would have happened if we followed through and terminated him at the end of the '83 season?" Mara said. "Where would we have gone with that?"


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If Parcells did it his way, he also did it with his guys. Carl Banks, a rookie linebacker in 1984, remembers Parcells calling the team together early in training camp.

"It stands out to me," Banks said, "because it was the only time I saw him at his most vulnerable."

The players had heard rumblings about Parcells' uncertain job security. According to Banks, Parcells told his team: "Listen, we got to win around here or my ass is going to be fired. I'm going to fix this roster. But I need to know that once this roster is set, that those of you who remain will be my guys. I need to know you'll be with me."

Banks considers that a turning point.

"That, to me, was the birth of the whole idea of 'Parcells guys,' " Banks said. "He didn't talk to us that day in coach-speak or in clichťs. He broke down the situation to its most basic point. I think that was the day we learned not only who would be Parcells guys, but who Parcells was."


Quote #1 is Phil Simms, the Superbowl winning QB that was benched in 1983 for Scott Brunner by Parcells. #2 is John Mara. # 3 is Carl Banks.

I'm not saying McAdoo is Parcells. All I'm saying here is that BBI would have crucified Parcells for the exact same reasons in 1983 that we see in 2017. If I dug up my copies of the old "Inside Football", I'd see similar sentiments in the letters to the Editor.

Maybe Ben should be fired. Maybe Bill Parcells should have been fired, based on what he did in 1983. And Reese is no George Young. It's a tough call, but we've been here..at these crossroads...before.
He is TERRIBLE  
ZogZerg : 10/8/2017 9:31 pm : link
He starts the wrong players
Botched the QB reps in camp
Crappy play caller
Has no control over
the team.
Undisciplined PATHETIC team falls on him.
If he is still coach next year then it's time to find another team.
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clatterbuck : 10/8/2017 9:42 pm : link
In comment 13637210 Danny Kanell said:
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In comment 13637209 arcarsenal said:


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First coach I've ever had such polar stances on, I think.

I thought this guy had a great feel for the game last year - I thought his game management was solid, thought he was a guy who would be good for the younger guys on the team.

I was totally fooled. The guy is clueless.



Same here.


Same here.
RE: I don't know what to make of McAdoo.  
EricJ : 10/8/2017 9:50 pm : link
In comment 13637233 81_Great_Dane said:
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The Giants were better last year, and McAdoo was coach then, too.


The "team" was not better last year, the defense was. The offense sucked.
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