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TurdFurguson : 10/8/2017 7:53 pm
If possible to put feelings on the kneeling aside (which he said he will no longer do), anyone want to make the argument that who we have as a backup is better than him?

If Eli is hurt from this why not kick the tires?
Thanks for starting a 2nd thread on this important topic...  
JCin332 : 10/8/2017 7:54 pm : link
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Lol  
Jolly Blue Giant : 10/8/2017 7:54 pm : link
Why would the Giants decide this now and not, ya know, before training camp?
Season is over  
bradshaw44 : 10/8/2017 7:55 pm : link
What would be the fucking point?
4 receivers go down  
well...bye TC : 10/8/2017 7:55 pm : link
and you want to sign a QB.
If Kap ever gets another shot in the league, it's going to be his  
Devon : 10/8/2017 7:56 pm : link
absolute last one.

I know he's probably desperate, but he should want no part of this dumpster fire (not that they'd ever look at him anyway).
Great idea  
UConn4523 : 10/8/2017 7:57 pm : link
at 0-5 what we need should Eli have gotten injured would definitely be Laeperbick to help salvage the season. Or, ohh I don't know, maybe play Webb and see what our future looks like prior to the draft...
Well I guess  
Jolly Blue Giant : 10/8/2017 7:58 pm : link
If you are really going for it and want to make this the absolute WORST season in Giants history.
I'd  
Blue Moon : 10/8/2017 8:00 pm : link
Prefer to sign Jay Z!
At this point  
Bill in Del : 10/8/2017 8:00 pm : link
Offering Owens and Ocho a job makes more sense.
Never  
Rong5611 : 10/8/2017 8:00 pm : link
I'll give up my tickets.
I'd play Webb before picking up Kaepernick  
PatersonPlank : 10/8/2017 8:04 pm : link
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Good to see no one here presents a valid arguement  
TurdFurguson : 10/8/2017 8:04 pm : link
Other than why would we. Then Rong comes in with I'll sell my tickets which is a thin shot at the thing I said to put aside.
RE: Good to see no one here presents a valid arguement  
UConn4523 : 10/8/2017 8:06 pm : link
In comment 13637430 TurdFurguson said:
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Other than why would we. Then Rong comes in with I'll sell my tickets which is a thin shot at the thing I said to put aside.


I presented a very valid argument. Why on earth would we not throw Webb out there? The season is over, there is nothing to lose if Webb stinks and would better prepare us for the draft.
The argument is it won't matter.  
PatersonPlank : 10/8/2017 8:07 pm : link
WE're 0-5 and not going anywhere. Play Geno or Webb. Kap would need to take a few weeks to learn the offense, Geno and Webb know it now. Plus it makes more sense, since the season is over, to give Webb a shot and see what we have (assuming Eli can't play). There is zero upside or reason to pick up another QB, not just Kap.
RE: Never  
Chris in Philly : 10/8/2017 8:07 pm : link
In comment 13637418 Rong5611 said:
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I'll give up my tickets.


I'll take them.
RE: I'd play Webb before picking up Kaepernick  
TurdFurguson : 10/8/2017 8:08 pm : link
In comment 13637429 PatersonPlank said:
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Under normal circumstances I would agree. However, with this offensive line you run the risk of creating another David Carr. I would never allow a rookie behind this line.

Why not a mobile QB who came off the best year of his career with arguably the worst team fielded for him?
RE: Good to see no one here presents a valid arguement  
bradshaw44 : 10/8/2017 8:08 pm : link
In comment 13637430 TurdFurguson said:
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Other than why would we. Then Rong comes in with I'll sell my tickets which is a thin shot at the thing I said to put aside.


Again, what would be the point? What's your rationale? The season is over and you want to bring in a QB. He's not going to learn the playbook in a week and win 11 straight.

Uh, we drafted Webb for a reason  
weeg in the bronx : 10/8/2017 8:09 pm : link
Why would you ever consider bringing in a retread with a 747 full of baggage? Any QB conversation at this point should be about whether we draft one with our top 5 pick.
He is not a good QB  
Steve in South Jersey : 10/8/2017 8:09 pm : link
and his baggage is an issue. Not worth the media circus.
If you think Kap  
Jolly Blue Giant : 10/8/2017 8:10 pm : link
Can come in without training camp or a playbook and be better than a veteran that has been with the team all off season you have been playing too much Madden. Why donít you give a valid reason to sign him instead of looking for a valid reason to not sign him? You started the thread.
RE: RE: I'd play Webb before picking up Kaepernick  
bradshaw44 : 10/8/2017 8:10 pm : link
In comment 13637438 TurdFurguson said:
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Under normal circumstances I would agree. However, with this offensive line you run the risk of creating another David Carr. I would never allow a rookie behind this line.

Why not a mobile QB who came off the best year of his career with arguably the worst team fielded for him?


Geno is mobile. So why Kap?
There is essentially no investment  
UConn4523 : 10/8/2017 8:11 pm : link
in Webb, was a 3rd round pick hat gets paid nothing. And this whole "get him killed" angle is garbage, players can get hurt on any play. There's bad lines everywhere, if he's any good he will show that, get rid of the ball, and adapt to the lack of protection. If not, we know that drafting a QB is the highest priority.
I would bring in Jared Lorenzen  
Bluesbreaker : 10/8/2017 8:12 pm : link
Heft lefty before that cock roach ...
So what if he is 500lbs now at least he can QB sneak .
RE: Uh, we drafted Webb for a reason  
TurdFurguson : 10/8/2017 8:12 pm : link
In comment 13637441 weeg in the bronx said:
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Why would you ever consider bringing in a retread with a 747 full of baggage? Any QB conversation at this point should be about whether we draft one with our top 5 pick.


Scenario A: We pick up Kaepernick, he's awful like 99% of you hope he is, we lose, we move on to draft top 5 QB as you all think we're getting

Scenario B: Same thing, only he's not bad, and suddenly we have a trade-able asset.

Scenario C: Kaep turns out to be a good QB and we have a very trade-able asset.

What's wrong with this?
Colon Crap-Pick has no business being a NY Giant!  
SterlingArcher : 10/8/2017 8:13 pm : link
I would rather see this team lose 50 games than sign that low life POS!
Bradshaw  
joeinpa : 10/8/2017 8:13 pm : link
I get you, season s over. But really the next 11 games will reveal a lot about Giants future.

I for one believe a fixed offensive line and a playmaker at linebacker would make a lot of the awful football we are seeing go away.

That s not going to happen this year. But in the remaining games Giants will find out going forward who to build around.

I m excited about Gallman, I m still excited what a running game combined with this receiving core would be

The games going forward have not much meaning in terms of wins and losses, baring a miracle. And while I will not be on the edge of my seat hoping for a win, and that stinks after only 5 games, I will get enjoyment out of the development of young players like Ingram.

The last 11 games are also significant fir Reese and this coaching staff.
RE: If you think Kap  
TurdFurguson : 10/8/2017 8:15 pm : link
In comment 13637442 Steve in South Jersey said:
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and his baggage is an issue. Not worth the media circus.


Look at Kaep's stats from last season. Not terrible.

In comment 13637446 Jolly Blue Giant said:
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Can come in without training camp or a playbook and be better than a veteran that has been with the team all off season you have been playing too much Madden. Why donít you give a valid reason to sign him instead of looking for a valid reason to not sign him? You started the thread.


What is the downside? If he sucks we get a good draft pick which is where we're going already, if he's good we get an asset we can trade. If you think Gino's better than Kaep I have a bridge to sell you.

And apparently our book is so easy EVERY in the league can predict what we do. So don't think he'll have a hard time getting it.
RE: Colon Crap-Pick has no business being a NY Giant!  
TurdFurguson : 10/8/2017 8:15 pm : link
In comment 13637461 SterlingArcher said:
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I would rather see this team lose 50 games than sign that low life POS!


Time for your meds grandpa.
RE: Bradshaw  
bradshaw44 : 10/8/2017 8:16 pm : link
In comment 13637462 joeinpa said:
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I get you, season s over. But really the next 11 games will reveal a lot about Giants future.

I for one believe a fixed offensive line and a playmaker at linebacker would make a lot of the awful football we are seeing go away.

That s not going to happen this year. But in the remaining games Giants will find out going forward who to build around.

I m excited about Gallman, I m still excited what a running game combined with this receiving core would be

The games going forward have not much meaning in terms of wins and losses, baring a miracle. And while I will not be on the edge of my seat hoping for a win, and that stinks after only 5 games, I will get enjoyment out of the development of young players like Ingram.

The last 11 games are also significant fir Reese and this coaching staff.


I don't disagree with you. Just trying to understand why you don't let Geno run the O if Eli is in fact hurt?
RE: Colon Crap-Pick has no business being a NY Giant!  
Chris in Philly : 10/8/2017 8:17 pm : link
In comment 13637461 SterlingArcher said:
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I would rather see this team lose 50 games than sign that low life POS!


You seem smart.
Why would anyone trade for him  
UConn4523 : 10/8/2017 8:17 pm : link
if they can have him for free right now?
His girlfriend nessa tweeted out and said  
giant24 : 10/8/2017 8:17 pm : link
He never said he wouldn't kneel anymore and the reporter updated his article to say same
Gallman plays with a lot of heart  
Bluesbreaker : 10/8/2017 8:19 pm : link
he played well today but we still need another capable back
a power and speed guy . Gallman makes Vereen expendable
I think he can handle those duties he seems to catch the ball
well . Time to free up cap space .
RE: There is essentially no investment  
TurdFurguson : 10/8/2017 8:19 pm : link
In comment 13637453 UConn4523 said:
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in Webb, was a 3rd round pick hat gets paid nothing. And this whole "get him killed" angle is garbage, players can get hurt on any play. There's bad lines everywhere, if he's any good he will show that, get rid of the ball, and adapt to the lack of protection. If not, we know that drafting a QB is the highest priority.


Well so the admission there is Jerry wasted a draft pick, which I won't argue.

And how is my point garbage that he can get killed? Sure, any player can get hurt on any play. But on a proven terrible offensive line with a rookie QB, do you think he'll operate every play knowing that? Odds are he holds the ball too long at least a few times. And thus the odds of him getting hurt are higher.
Who would he throw to --  
CT Charlie : 10/8/2017 8:19 pm : link
Eli? Webb?
RE: There is essentially no investment  
TurdFurguson : 10/8/2017 8:20 pm : link
In comment 13637453 UConn4523 said:
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in Webb, was a 3rd round pick hat gets paid nothing. And this whole "get him killed" angle is garbage, players can get hurt on any play. There's bad lines everywhere, if he's any good he will show that, get rid of the ball, and adapt to the lack of protection. If not, we know that drafting a QB is the highest priority.


Well so the admission there is Jerry wasted a draft pick, which I won't argue.

And how is my point garbage that he can get killed? Sure, any player can get hurt on any play. But on a proven terrible offensive line with a rookie QB, do you think he'll operate every play knowing that? Odds are he holds the ball too long at least a few times. And thus the odds of him getting hurt are higher.
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Danny Kanell : 10/8/2017 8:23 pm : link
I guess it wouldnít be so bad because it would give me the final straw Iím looking for to stop watching entirely this season.
Think it was brought up by one of the scouts  
TurdFurguson : 10/8/2017 8:24 pm : link
Who report on here occasionally about the GF needing to go.

She does. The picture she posted during Kapernick's Ravens interview was straight racist and he should have dropped her then and there. Don't care the intent, that's an insult undeserved.

From what I read she's a reason why he can't find a job. She's well known for pulling that kind of garbage.
It isn't a wasted pick  
UConn4523 : 10/8/2017 8:25 pm : link
25% hit rate on 3rd rounders, even worse for 3rd round QBs. Assuming we get a top 3 pick why wouldn't we want to see what Webb can do prior to the draft?

The injury argument is lame, if it was valid no rookies would start.

There is 0 upside in signing Kaepernick. He will never have trade value even if he played well, he's free right now.
RE: It isn't a wasted pick  
TurdFurguson : 10/8/2017 8:32 pm : link
In comment 13637525 UConn4523 said:
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25% hit rate on 3rd rounders, even worse for 3rd round QBs. Assuming we get a top 3 pick why wouldn't we want to see what Webb can do prior to the draft?

The injury argument is lame, if it was valid no rookies would start.

There is 0 upside in signing Kaepernick. He will never have trade value even if he played well, he's free right now.


Ok, so if that's true then why would Reese pick a 3rd round QB knowing statistically how rare it is for them to hit. And everything coming out of reports is playing out with him. Good head on his shoulders, works hard, just can't put it together. Why not hit another position where we have a need?

You're looking at the rookie argument in a vacuum. Of course rookies are starting. However, the ones that are have 1st round track records, high expectations and offensive lines not nearly as terrible as ours. With Webb having none of those things, why ruin any chance he has by throwing him to the wolves?

If there is 0 upside to signing him, why do you care what we do? We suck as it is. Is it scary for you if he turns out to be good?
RE: RE: It isn't a wasted pick  
Sarcastic Sam : 10/8/2017 8:35 pm : link
In comment 13637554 TurdFurguson said:
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25% hit rate on 3rd rounders, even worse for 3rd round QBs. Assuming we get a top 3 pick why wouldn't we want to see what Webb can do prior to the draft?

The injury argument is lame, if it was valid no rookies would start.

There is 0 upside in signing Kaepernick. He will never have trade value even if he played well, he's free right now.



Ok, so if that's true then why would Reese pick a 3rd round QB knowing statistically how rare it is for them to hit. And everything coming out of reports is playing out with him. Good head on his shoulders, works hard, just can't put it together. Why not hit another position where we have a need?

You're looking at the rookie argument in a vacuum. Of course rookies are starting. However, the ones that are have 1st round track records, high expectations and offensive lines not nearly as terrible as ours. With Webb having none of those things, why ruin any chance he has by throwing him to the wolves?

If there is 0 upside to signing him, why do you care what we do? We suck as it is. Is it scary for you if he turns out to be good?


Yes, let's bring a controversial player that offers nothing of benefit but might sow discord in the locker room and among the fans. Why not, say you?
That move  
chiro56 : 10/8/2017 8:36 pm : link
Would be the "Kapper", to our season from Hell.
RE: That move  
Ned In Atlanta : 10/8/2017 9:03 pm : link
In comment 13637565 chiro56 said:
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Would be the "Kapper", to our season from Hell.


Either this is flying 50 feet over my head, or "kapper" is "cap," and thus a very bad attempt at a pun
Bringing in Kap would make sense if we were still in the playoff hunt,  
PatersonPlank : 10/8/2017 9:11 pm : link
Eli was hurt and out for the season, and we thought Kap was better than the other QB's we had. We are not in the playoff hunt, Eli is not hurt, and its questionable (but possible) that he is better than Geno.

However 2 of those 3 things are certainly a no, so this makes no sense.
RE: RE: RE: It isn't a wasted pick  
TurdFurguson : 10/8/2017 9:13 pm : link
In comment 13637560 Sarcastic Sam said:
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25% hit rate on 3rd rounders, even worse for 3rd round QBs. Assuming we get a top 3 pick why wouldn't we want to see what Webb can do prior to the draft?

The injury argument is lame, if it was valid no rookies would start.

There is 0 upside in signing Kaepernick. He will never have trade value even if he played well, he's free right now.



Ok, so if that's true then why would Reese pick a 3rd round QB knowing statistically how rare it is for them to hit. And everything coming out of reports is playing out with him. Good head on his shoulders, works hard, just can't put it together. Why not hit another position where we have a need?

You're looking at the rookie argument in a vacuum. Of course rookies are starting. However, the ones that are have 1st round track records, high expectations and offensive lines not nearly as terrible as ours. With Webb having none of those things, why ruin any chance he has by throwing him to the wolves?

If there is 0 upside to signing him, why do you care what we do? We suck as it is. Is it scary for you if he turns out to be good?



Yes, let's bring a controversial player that offers nothing of benefit but might sow discord in the locker room and among the fans. Why not, say you?


Yes, lets not pay attention to statistics and judge someone who has never interacted with our locker room.
RE: RE: RE: RE: It isn't a wasted pick  
Sarcastic Sam : 10/8/2017 9:16 pm : link
In comment 13637731 TurdFurguson said:
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25% hit rate on 3rd rounders, even worse for 3rd round QBs. Assuming we get a top 3 pick why wouldn't we want to see what Webb can do prior to the draft?

The injury argument is lame, if it was valid no rookies would start.

There is 0 upside in signing Kaepernick. He will never have trade value even if he played well, he's free right now.



Ok, so if that's true then why would Reese pick a 3rd round QB knowing statistically how rare it is for them to hit. And everything coming out of reports is playing out with him. Good head on his shoulders, works hard, just can't put it together. Why not hit another position where we have a need?

You're looking at the rookie argument in a vacuum. Of course rookies are starting. However, the ones that are have 1st round track records, high expectations and offensive lines not nearly as terrible as ours. With Webb having none of those things, why ruin any chance he has by throwing him to the wolves?

If there is 0 upside to signing him, why do you care what we do? We suck as it is. Is it scary for you if he turns out to be good?



Yes, let's bring a controversial player that offers nothing of benefit but might sow discord in the locker room and among the fans. Why not, say you?



Yes, lets not pay attention to statistics and judge someone who has never interacted with our locker room.


OK, so it sounds like we're on the same page.
RE: RE: It isn't a wasted pick  
UConn4523 : 10/8/2017 9:54 pm : link
In comment 13637554 TurdFurguson said:
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25% hit rate on 3rd rounders, even worse for 3rd round QBs. Assuming we get a top 3 pick why wouldn't we want to see what Webb can do prior to the draft?

The injury argument is lame, if it was valid no rookies would start.

There is 0 upside in signing Kaepernick. He will never have trade value even if he played well, he's free right now.



Ok, so if that's true then why would Reese pick a 3rd round QB knowing statistically how rare it is for them to hit. And everything coming out of reports is playing out with him. Good head on his shoulders, works hard, just can't put it together. Why not hit another position where we have a need?

You're looking at the rookie argument in a vacuum. Of course rookies are starting. However, the ones that are have 1st round track records, high expectations and offensive lines not nearly as terrible as ours. With Webb having none of those things, why ruin any chance he has by throwing him to the wolves?

If there is 0 upside to signing him, why do you care what we do? We suck as it is. Is it scary for you if he turns out to be good?


Why would any GM take a QB then or later?

I don't understand this thread. The 1 point you made was if Kaepernick played well we can trade him. 2 problems with that. First, we wouldn't be signing him to a multi year deal, it would be vet min prorated for the rest of the season in which case he'd be a free agent after his awesome comeback with the Giants, which means...no trade. 2, any team that wants him can have him for nothing right now, why on earth would anyone give up assets for him?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: It isn't a wasted pick  
TurdFurguson : 10/8/2017 10:25 pm : link
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25% hit rate on 3rd rounders, even worse for 3rd round QBs. Assuming we get a top 3 pick why wouldn't we want to see what Webb can do prior to the draft?

The injury argument is lame, if it was valid no rookies would start.

There is 0 upside in signing Kaepernick. He will never have trade value even if he played well, he's free right now.



Ok, so if that's true then why would Reese pick a 3rd round QB knowing statistically how rare it is for them to hit. And everything coming out of reports is playing out with him. Good head on his shoulders, works hard, just can't put it together. Why not hit another position where we have a need?

You're looking at the rookie argument in a vacuum. Of course rookies are starting. However, the ones that are have 1st round track records, high expectations and offensive lines not nearly as terrible as ours. With Webb having none of those things, why ruin any chance he has by throwing him to the wolves?

If there is 0 upside to signing him, why do you care what we do? We suck as it is. Is it scary for you if he turns out to be good?



Yes, let's bring a controversial player that offers nothing of benefit but might sow discord in the locker room and among the fans. Why not, say you?



Yes, lets not pay attention to statistics and judge someone who has never interacted with our locker room.



OK, so it sounds like we're on the same page.


Either you're being sarcastic or you should change your username.
RE: RE: RE: It isn't a wasted pick  
TurdFurguson : 10/8/2017 10:27 pm : link
In comment 13637882 UConn4523 said:
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25% hit rate on 3rd rounders, even worse for 3rd round QBs. Assuming we get a top 3 pick why wouldn't we want to see what Webb can do prior to the draft?

The injury argument is lame, if it was valid no rookies would start.

There is 0 upside in signing Kaepernick. He will never have trade value even if he played well, he's free right now.



Ok, so if that's true then why would Reese pick a 3rd round QB knowing statistically how rare it is for them to hit. And everything coming out of reports is playing out with him. Good head on his shoulders, works hard, just can't put it together. Why not hit another position where we have a need?

You're looking at the rookie argument in a vacuum. Of course rookies are starting. However, the ones that are have 1st round track records, high expectations and offensive lines not nearly as terrible as ours. With Webb having none of those things, why ruin any chance he has by throwing him to the wolves?

If there is 0 upside to signing him, why do you care what we do? We suck as it is. Is it scary for you if he turns out to be good?



Why would any GM take a QB then or later?

I don't understand this thread. The 1 point you made was if Kaepernick played well we can trade him. 2 problems with that. First, we wouldn't be signing him to a multi year deal, it would be vet min prorated for the rest of the season in which case he'd be a free agent after his awesome comeback with the Giants, which means...no trade. 2, any team that wants him can have him for nothing right now, why on earth would anyone give up assets for him?


Franchise tag exists...so if he turns out to be good, we can keep. Second, if we're getting a QB better than Geno and Webb (and going to back to statistics argument, Eli according to last year) don't you make that trade?
The OP of the thread doesn't get it..  
chuckydee9 : 10/9/2017 8:00 am : link
Kaep isn't a franchise QB.. we aren't going to franchise him for $20m plus.. we need cap space.. he isn't going to get us to the playoffs..he isn't signing for vet minimum. At best he'll win couple of games and cost us the number 1-3 pick.. there is nothing to gain from signing him..
So now we franchise Kaepernick  
UConn4523 : 10/9/2017 9:17 am : link
for over $22m just so we can hopefully trade him? And when we are stuck with paying him $22m since no one would trade for him in addition to Elis 2018 salary or his dead money if he's cut...then what?

I'm struggling hard to find a purpose to this thread.
Turd  
njm : 10/9/2017 9:23 am : link
Multiple reports during camp stated that Kaepernick was looking for starter money to sign. I think there are better uses for the cap space, either in signing extensions during this season or carrying it over to 2018.
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