But it’s hard to pass up on a game changer. We already drafted a QB. Need to play Webb some to see what we have. If he looks decent, I’d take Barkey first Pick.
Can we at least give the highly regarded 3rd Rd pick a chance before we go stampeding for the QBs?
Highly regarded by...?
No one on this board is probably higher on Saquon Barkley than I am, but they're not going to take him. This is their shot to take the next franchise QB and, with how they operate and how QB is next up on the chopping block of blame, that's where they'll almost certainly go.
I would love to get the #1 pick and then do what the 49ers did. Use the leverage of the top QB's to get someone to give up multiple picks to move back a few spots.
Pick Barkley like 3rd or 4th. THen have all those picks to sure up the offensive line and other positions of need.
RE: Take Saquon and give him no OLine to block for him Â
With Buffalo for both of their 1st/2nds this year and their 1st/2nd next year. That's five premium picks in '18 and four in '19 to rebuild the OL and add talent on defense.
With Buffalo for both of their 1st/2nds this year and their 1st/2nd next year. That's five premium picks in '18 and four in '19 to rebuild the OL and add talent on defense.
A 37 year old qb who has not won a playoff game in 7 years and just been to 1 and is showing not to be the same and you trade down or take a rb or tackle? When there are like 3 to 4 qb who are highly rated and thought off to be franchise qb/s just because of your infatuation with Eli? Eli is an Giants icon and will leave the team and be able to always be part of the Giants family after his days. You do not get handed a golden chance like this to try and rebuild for Eli when this team needs tons more than just a rb or tackle..Time to blow it all up
The OT or Rosen (if we decide Webb was a wasted pick) Â
assuming there's a tackle there they think could be a perennial all pro type. You almost have to go all out for the best QB though. It's rare that a team gets in this situation where they're able to replace a good but older QB with a blue chip first rounder. Not many teams luck out like the Packers or Colts did in replacing Favre and Manning. That might be Giants come draft time depending on where they finish and who's available.
If you question this, please watch Wentz with the Eagles and you’ll learn.
This is arguably the deepest QB class and up there against the big ones in
NFL history with QB types for every offensive scheme there is.
This is not a good OL draft if you’re looking for a blue goose LT. Taking Barkley would be an awful decision that would cost this team years and years of building properly.
If you question this, please watch Wentz with the Eagles and you’ll learn.
This is arguably the deepest QB class and up there against the big ones in
NFL history with QB types for every offensive scheme there is.
This is not a good OL draft if you’re looking for a blue goose LT. Taking Barkley would be an awful decision that would cost this team years and years of building properly.
Both Dallas and Philly have their guys. The NYG need to follow suit.
I don’t agree at all Sy. Barkley is a luxury back. He’s a great fit for a team that has a good OL and has a QB.
We need to rebuild.
We can debate later....but I think he is a franchise-changing back. Yes the OL needs to be built, but I'm not sure there is a top 10 OL talent in this class.
and a franchise QB is sitting there, we would be stupid not to take him. Eli is virtually done whether he wants it that way or not. Without a legitimate starting QB, it will be years before we are competitive again
People buy into draft hype every year about players and classes and it's bullshit.
If Reese picks a QB and is wrong, and there's a greater than 50% chance he will be wrong, it will set this franchise back a long time.
That's not a decision changer. If you have the chance to draft a franchise QB then you do. The position is just that important.
Even if we grab a QB, I think manning should have a chance next year
I disagree. As a fan, I value championships. I think acquiring a bunch of premium picks now gives the Giants the best shot to address deficiencies and put themselves in a position to win another ring over the next few years. I don't see one pick on a QB getting this team any closer to winning a championship.
I disagree. As a fan, I value championships. I think acquiring a bunch of premium picks now gives the Giants the best shot to address deficiencies and put themselves in a position to win another ring over the next few years. I don't see one pick on a QB getting this team any closer to winning a championship.
The Giants aren’t the Cleveland Browns. You take the franchise QB, then start the three year rebuild process. But the rebuild has to start with a new GM/head coach.
Been clamoring for him for weeks. Qbs are a crapshoot and the olin talent at top of draft isnt that great (a pick in top 5 would be a reach). Eli has shown he still has enough Barkley is an absolute stud if youve seen enough of his tape
Not questioning your player choice per se but with the current group of lugnuts and potentionally a worse group next year( I don't know of potential nonNYFG OL FAs) wouldn't we be better off going OL rd 1&2 ...give EF opportunity at RG and try to rebuild OL asap while we still have a nice Corp of receivers?
The Reese mess will take at least 3 years anyway...unless there are FAs in 18/19 that will come here and speed up turnaround.
makes me chuckle. Like I do when a chick talks about routes.... Have any of you actually watched Allen play this season? Or even looked at his stats? He sucks. And its not a case of him being surrounded by crappy players. His accuracy and decision-making are awful.
I get the bit about the QB's too. Darnold was the guy, but his struggles has thrown the wrench in the can't miss hyperbole. Rosen ha stud talent, but his attitude in NYC scares me. After that there's some really intriguing talent that will become available; and the balance of the season will bear that out.
Right now though Barkley looks like he can carry an offense in the mold of the old time dominant backs like Sanders, like Dickerson, and Simpson. His collection of speed, size, vision, and change of direction don't come around ... ever. If a QB steps up n front him, I get it. For me it would have to be Darnold getting right and living up to he hype. But right now Saquon is the real deal and could have QB like impact.
1 – Someone needs to pay attention to WR Jaleel Scott New Mexico State; there is too much size, speed and talent not too.
2 – I said it last week and I’ll say once again this week; USC Sam Darnold is a very talent quarterback who is not ready for the NFL. Stop pushing him into a level he is not ready for.
4 – I keep waiting for Penn State RB Saquan Barkley to show me that he might not be THE best player in this coming draft. So far it hasn’t happened.
7 – The most improved QB so far this season is Clemson QB Kelly Bryant. His play from the pocket has been improving from week to week. Credit to the coaching and to Kelly who seems to be very coachable. The difference in Kelly’s improved play and coaching is leaps and bounds better than what USC is accomplishing with its high profile quarterback.
9 – Louisville QB Lamar Jackson is an excellent athlete playing the quarterback position. He reminds me a lot of RGIII.
10 – There is something lacking in UCLA Josh Rosen’s game and I know what it is. It’s something quarterbacks have to have to win the big games consistently and it has nothing to do with talent. It’s the same problem the Charges QB Philip Rivers has.
If they r not available, go w Barkley.
Qb - darnold or Rossen
Lt - Adams or McGlinchey
Rb - Barkley
Barkley being the least of the top 5
Highly regarded by...?
No one on this board is probably higher on Saquon Barkley than I am, but they're not going to take him. This is their shot to take the next franchise QB and, with how they operate and how QB is next up on the chopping block of blame, that's where they'll almost certainly go.
Still need to see what Davis Webb has before taking a QB
Pick Barkley like 3rd or 4th. THen have all those picks to sure up the offensive line and other positions of need.
Saquon is that talent that would still produce behind a bad OL.
Reese won't take him though, so discussing him seems moot.
I like this idea
If you question this, please watch Wentz with the Eagles and you’ll learn.
This is arguably the deepest QB class and up there against the big ones in
NFL history with QB types for every offensive scheme there is.
This is not a good OL draft if you’re looking for a blue goose LT. Taking Barkley would be an awful decision that would cost this team years and years of building properly.
I don’t agree at all Sy. Barkley is a luxury back. He’s a great fit for a team that has a good OL and has a QB.
We need to rebuild.
If you question this, please watch Wentz with the Eagles and you’ll learn.
This is arguably the deepest QB class and up there against the big ones in
NFL history with QB types for every offensive scheme there is.
This is not a good OL draft if you’re looking for a blue goose LT. Taking Barkley would be an awful decision that would cost this team years and years of building properly.
Both Dallas and Philly have their guys. The NYG need to follow suit.
If Reese picks a QB and is wrong, and there's a greater than 50% chance he will be wrong, it will set this franchise back a long time.
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Saquon Barkley
I don’t agree at all Sy. Barkley is a luxury back. He’s a great fit for a team that has a good OL and has a QB.
We need to rebuild.
We can debate later....but I think he is a franchise-changing back. Yes the OL needs to be built, but I'm not sure there is a top 10 OL talent in this class.
Beckham is a game changer, how has that translated into wins and losses?
If Reese picks a QB and is wrong, and there's a greater than 50% chance he will be wrong, it will set this franchise back a long time.
That's not a decision changer. If you have the chance to draft a franchise QB then you do. The position is just that important.
Even if we grab a QB, I think manning should have a chance next year
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People buy into draft hype every year about players and classes and it's bullshit.
If Reese picks a QB and is wrong, and there's a greater than 50% chance he will be wrong, it will set this franchise back a long time.
That's not a decision changer. If you have the chance to draft a franchise QB then you do. The position is just that important.
Even if we grab a QB, I think manning should have a chance next year
I disagree. As a fan, I value championships. I think acquiring a bunch of premium picks now gives the Giants the best shot to address deficiencies and put themselves in a position to win another ring over the next few years. I don't see one pick on a QB getting this team any closer to winning a championship.
I disagree. As a fan, I value championships. I think acquiring a bunch of premium picks now gives the Giants the best shot to address deficiencies and put themselves in a position to win another ring over the next few years. I don't see one pick on a QB getting this team any closer to winning a championship.
The Giants aren’t the Cleveland Browns. You take the franchise QB, then start the three year rebuild process. But the rebuild has to start with a new GM/head coach.
QBs are just way more important than RBs in today's game.
We go 1-16 at best.
I say....another weapon. If JR is still here.
Qb - darnold or Rossen
Lt - Adams or McGlinchey
Rb - Barkley
Barkley being the least of the top 5
Agree 100%. Gives the Giants options. Get a new franchise QB or the franchise LT the team so desperately needs. Or a great RB
Not questioning your player choice per se but with the current group of lugnuts and potentionally a worse group next year( I don't know of potential nonNYFG OL FAs) wouldn't we be better off going OL rd 1&2 ...give EF opportunity at RG and try to rebuild OL asap while we still have a nice Corp of receivers?
The Reese mess will take at least 3 years anyway...unless there are FAs in 18/19 that will come here and speed up turnaround.
Right now though Barkley looks like he can carry an offense in the mold of the old time dominant backs like Sanders, like Dickerson, and Simpson. His collection of speed, size, vision, and change of direction don't come around ... ever. If a QB steps up n front him, I get it. For me it would have to be Darnold getting right and living up to he hype. But right now Saquon is the real deal and could have QB like impact.
2 – I said it last week and I’ll say once again this week; USC Sam Darnold is a very talent quarterback who is not ready for the NFL. Stop pushing him into a level he is not ready for.
4 – I keep waiting for Penn State RB Saquan Barkley to show me that he might not be THE best player in this coming draft. So far it hasn’t happened.
7 – The most improved QB so far this season is Clemson QB Kelly Bryant. His play from the pocket has been improving from week to week. Credit to the coaching and to Kelly who seems to be very coachable. The difference in Kelly’s improved play and coaching is leaps and bounds better than what USC is accomplishing with its high profile quarterback.
9 – Louisville QB Lamar Jackson is an excellent athlete playing the quarterback position. He reminds me a lot of RGIII.
10 – There is something lacking in UCLA Josh Rosen’s game and I know what it is. It’s something quarterbacks have to have to win the big games consistently and it has nothing to do with talent. It’s the same problem the Charges QB Philip Rivers has.
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