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2018 draft is a perfect fit for Giants

Vanzetti : 10/9/2017 12:23 am
Two franchise QBs in Rosen and Darnold at the top of the draft. Giants could wind up like Packers, going from one franchise QB to another. Be a perennial contender for the next 15 years.


If they can't get one of the QBs, then you stay with Eli and draft Saquon Barkley, who could be a generational talent. He and Odell would be one of the top WR-RB combos of all time.

If they wind up picking 4 or 5, there are two potential franchise LTs in Trey Adams and McGlinchey.


Obviously, this season sucks and just as obviously, things can change with the draft. But down the road we might look back at this poor season as a blessing in disguise.

I would agree  
burtmanjack : 10/9/2017 12:36 am : link
so long as Reese and Ross arenít anywhere near the pick.

Theyíve had two top 10 picks in the last three years (which in and of itself is testament to their continued incompetence) and managed to butcher both.

The stakes are too high to allow those proven failures to damage this organization even more than they already have.
All depends on who are GM  
bradshaw44 : 10/9/2017 12:44 am : link
Is going forward.
I believe Mara will make the decision about drafting a QB  
Vanzetti : 10/9/2017 12:47 am : link
should Rosen and Darnold be available when the Giants pick.
Reese will never admit he fucked up on the Webb pick  
montanagiant : 10/9/2017 1:10 am : link
Thus you will never see him drafting a QB next year
RE: Reese will never admit he fucked up on the Webb pick  
burtmanjack : 10/9/2017 1:13 am : link
In comment 13638310 montanagiant said:
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Thus you will never see him drafting a QB next year


Just another reason he will be gone (and John Jerry, and Hart, and any pretensions that Flowers an NFL-quality talent, let alone an LT).
people putting Darnold up there are likely in for a rude  
micky : 10/9/2017 6:13 am : link
awakening that he's likely stay at USC and not come out
Burtman  
joeinpa : 10/9/2017 7:35 am : link
Well stated perspective.
RE: I would agree  
FStubbs : 10/9/2017 7:48 am : link
In comment 13638288 burtmanjack said:
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so long as Reese and Ross arenít anywhere near the pick.

Theyíve had two top 10 picks in the last three years (which in and of itself is testament to their continued incompetence) and managed to butcher both.

The stakes are too high to allow those proven failures to damage this organization even more than they already have.


I don't want Chris Mara near that pick either. And I don't want this coaching staff developing that pick.
Nothing wrong w drafting a QB next yr even if they like Webb  
map7711 : 10/9/2017 8:00 am : link
You need the Eli replacement soon, so having two potential QBs is better than one. You just double your chances of getting a starter. You never know when it comes to these QBs if they have what it takes. Might as well swing for the fences and hope that one of them is actually good. Can we ask Ernie to make the pick? Lol.
RE: RE: I would agree  
endwerc : 10/9/2017 8:06 am : link
In comment 13638380 FStubbs said:
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so long as Reese and Ross arenít anywhere near the pick.

Theyíve had two top 10 picks in the last three years (which in and of itself is testament to their continued incompetence) and managed to butcher both.

The stakes are too high to allow those proven failures to damage this organization even more than they already have.



I don't want Chris Mara near that pick either. And I don't want this coaching staff developing that pick.


Don't worry, Chris Mara will be off somewhere watching his horse race.
Those two QBs  
JonC : 10/9/2017 8:10 am : link
look rather shaky this season, too early to sing their praises.
RE: Those two QBs  
Sammo85 : 10/9/2017 8:20 am : link
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look rather shaky this season, too early to sing their praises.


Thereís several other intriguing QB prospects. This is a deep draft. You have to look at the whole package. I think this is a blip for Darnold. I donít see how he doesnít come out. Rosen has some maturity concerns. Allen, Falk, Browning, Jackson, Mayfield, Rudolph all there or potentially coming out too.

There are no sure fire stud OL in this draft worthy of a top 10 pick. Thereís a couple DL that look intriguing but we have invested very heavily on that side to where Iím not sure itís a Round 1 consideration if we are picking top 5.
Barkley is a stud  
Rjanyg : 10/9/2017 8:26 am : link
And I would rather get an OL or LB
RE: Barkley is a stud  
Sammo85 : 10/9/2017 8:31 am : link
In comment 13638434 Rjanyg said:
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And I would rather get an OL or LB


Nobody at either position is worthy of a Top 5 pick and maybe not even a Top 10 either.

Last thing I want is another Flowers like reach in the top of the draft.
Fairly certain whomever we get, he will be taken well before  
Jimmy Googs : 10/9/2017 8:33 am : link
he needs too...
RE: RE: Those two QBs  
JonC : 10/9/2017 9:07 am : link
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look rather shaky this season, too early to sing their praises.



Thereís several other intriguing QB prospects. This is a deep draft. You have to look at the whole package. I think this is a blip for Darnold. I donít see how he doesnít come out. Rosen has some maturity concerns. Allen, Falk, Browning, Jackson, Mayfield, Rudolph all there or potentially coming out too.

There are no sure fire stud OL in this draft worthy of a top 10 pick. Thereís a couple DL that look intriguing but we have invested very heavily on that side to where Iím not sure itís a Round 1 consideration if we are picking top 5.


I do think they'll search high and low for a QB, regardless of the presence of Webb, and that LT and DE prospects aren't looking like they'll be a strong group. Very interested to see what prospects rise to the top.
RE: Reese will never admit he fucked up on the Webb pick  
njm : 10/9/2017 9:17 am : link
In comment 13638310 montanagiant said:
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Thus you will never see him drafting a QB next year


How do we know he fucked up? Webb was never going to start this year with Eli still here and if they blow the team up and pick a QB with a high #1 he'll be up against the 8 ball before he ever can prove himself.

One possibility, which probably won't happen, would be to give him some playing time this year to see what he can do. That way we would at least have an idea of what we picked last year in the 3rd.
RE: RE: Reese will never admit he fucked up on the Webb pick  
montanagiant : 10/9/2017 10:59 am : link
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Thus you will never see him drafting a QB next year



How do we know he fucked up? Webb was never going to start this year with Eli still here and if they blow the team up and pick a QB with a high #1 he'll be up against the 8 ball before he ever can prove himself.

One possibility, which probably won't happen, would be to give him some playing time this year to see what he can do. That way we would at least have an idea of what we picked last year in the 3rd.

If you spent a 3rd on the kid this year you don't spend a 1st the next year on another QB UNLESS you know the guy you took this year was a wasted pick. Even he is Reese will never admit as much.

The team does not need to get blown up, we just need Reese's FO out of there. They fail at judging O-Line talent and purposely seem to neglect the LB position. We can't run the ball well nor cover RB and TE's. Both glaring holes are a direct result of this FO. Shore those up and we fix 7%% of the teams woes
Sppose to be 75%  
montanagiant : 10/9/2017 11:00 am : link
Not 7%%
trade down into 2 and 3 and up into 2 and 3.  
idiotsavant : 10/9/2017 11:05 am : link
3 OLs (using different scouts), a big nose D tackle, 2 corners and try once again at LB.
RE: Reese will never admit he fucked up on the Webb pick  
PatersonPlank : 10/9/2017 12:04 pm : link
In comment 13638310 montanagiant said:
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Thus you will never see him drafting a QB next year


Why is this a fuck up? The guy has the size and skills, and so far has shown well. WHy do people dismiss 1st year players so quickly? Just because he was the guy who dropped last year, one or two always do, doesn't mean he isn't good. Imagine if he is the guy, and we got him in the 2rd round. What a steal, and then we can draft an OT (like Oklahoma's Brown) in the 1st. Or a RB.
RE: RE: Reese will never admit he fucked up on the Webb pick  
montanagiant : 10/9/2017 12:11 pm : link
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Thus you will never see him drafting a QB next year



Why is this a fuck up? The guy has the size and skills, and so far has shown well. WHy do people dismiss 1st year players so quickly? Just because he was the guy who dropped last year, one or two always do, doesn't mean he isn't good. Imagine if he is the guy, and we got him in the 2rd round. What a steal, and then we can draft an OT (like Oklahoma's Brown) in the 1st. Or a RB.

PP read what I wrote. I said IF they drafted a QB with the 1st rd pick that is an indication Webb was a wasted 3rd rd'er. I am not saying he is, I have no idea and as a matter of fact, I am against going QB in the first rd and running with Webb
RE: Reese will never admit he fucked up on the Webb pick  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/9/2017 12:23 pm : link
In comment 13638310 montanagiant said:
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Thus you will never see him drafting a QB next year

It has absolutely nothing to do with admitting error (not to mention, who are you or any of us to determine that it even was a mistake). No one - NO ONE - could have predicted that the Giants would be in position to draft one of this year's franchise QB prospects, so it doesn't make the Webb any less prudent. They saw an opportunity to develop a talented QB that they had a high grade on - that doesn't make him a sure thing (there's a reason why he was a 3rd round pick), nor does it mean that they should dismiss the opportunity to add a potential star at the position.

Do you think they'd pass on Saquon Barkley because they drafted Perkins and Gallman? Because that's essentially what you're saying, and it's equally nonsensical.
RE: RE: Reese will never admit he fucked up on the Webb pick  
montanagiant : 10/9/2017 12:46 pm : link
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Thus you will never see him drafting a QB next year


It has absolutely nothing to do with admitting error (not to mention, who are you or any of us to determine that it even was a mistake). No one - NO ONE - could have predicted that the Giants would be in position to draft one of this year's franchise QB prospects, so it doesn't make the Webb any less prudent. They saw an opportunity to develop a talented QB that they had a high grade on - that doesn't make him a sure thing (there's a reason why he was a 3rd round pick), nor does it mean that they should dismiss the opportunity to add a potential star at the position.

Do you think they'd pass on Saquon Barkley because they drafted Perkins and Gallman? Because that's essentially what you're saying, and it's equally nonsensical.

Holy fuck how many times do i have to say "Read what I wrote".
I'm NOT SAYING he is a wasted pick. I am saying the perception that he is if we go QB 1st is what Reese would be against. Thus it will never happen if Reese is still here
RE: RE: RE: Reese will never admit he fucked up on the Webb pick  
DennyInDenville : 10/9/2017 12:51 pm : link
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Thus you will never see him drafting a QB next year


It has absolutely nothing to do with admitting error (not to mention, who are you or any of us to determine that it even was a mistake). No one - NO ONE - could have predicted that the Giants would be in position to draft one of this year's franchise QB prospects, so it doesn't make the Webb any less prudent. They saw an opportunity to develop a talented QB that they had a high grade on - that doesn't make him a sure thing (there's a reason why he was a 3rd round pick), nor does it mean that they should dismiss the opportunity to add a potential star at the position.

Do you think they'd pass on Saquon Barkley because they drafted Perkins and Gallman? Because that's essentially what you're saying, and it's equally nonsensical.


Holy fuck how many times do i have to say "Read what I wrote".
I'm NOT SAYING he is a wasted pick. I am saying the perception that he is if we go QB 1st is what Reese would be against. Thus it will never happen if Reese is still here

Reese could always justify a QB in round 1 2018 as BPA though couldn't he? To appear as tho he wasn't wrong?
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montanagiant : 10/9/2017 1:54 pm : link
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Thus you will never see him drafting a QB next year


It has absolutely nothing to do with admitting error (not to mention, who are you or any of us to determine that it even was a mistake). No one - NO ONE - could have predicted that the Giants would be in position to draft one of this year's franchise QB prospects, so it doesn't make the Webb any less prudent. They saw an opportunity to develop a talented QB that they had a high grade on - that doesn't make him a sure thing (there's a reason why he was a 3rd round pick), nor does it mean that they should dismiss the opportunity to add a potential star at the position.

Do you think they'd pass on Saquon Barkley because they drafted Perkins and Gallman? Because that's essentially what you're saying, and it's equally nonsensical.


Holy fuck how many times do i have to say "Read what I wrote".
I'm NOT SAYING he is a wasted pick. I am saying the perception that he is if we go QB 1st is what Reese would be against. Thus it will never happen if Reese is still here


Reese could always justify a QB in round 1 2018 as BPA though couldn't he? To appear as tho he wasn't wrong?

Yes, but once again we are talking about the man who has told us for 3 years that Flowers is a good LT and to any FA we brought in that the LT position is off the table. IMO he lets his ego rule decisions
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