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Eli Apple not happy

B in ALB : 10/9/2017 8:10 am
He was benched for the first three series yesterday and the defense came up with three stops in a row including a safety.

In comes Apple and the chargers start driving the football down the field.

But he's not happy about being benched. Meanwhile his first four games have been abyssmal. 21 catches on 30 targets. DPIs, TDs given up, easy third down and long conversions.

But you're not happy. And he goes on to complain about the team culture.

This is Jerry Reese's and Ben McNcheese's New York Giants folks.
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RE: He's not wrong in the respect it's not just him  
Sammo85 : 10/9/2017 8:29 am : link
In comment 13638410 JonC said:
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and also interesting he mentions culture is a big issue. He's a smart kid, just young and needs experience, but him mentioning culture and the benching message as "weird" it tends to put weight behind the red flags I/you/others had thrown up earlier.


Aside from his poor play on the field I am seeing him being a part of this culture problem. Hes been caught a few times this year and last year on camera joking around as we get crushed on the field and he seems to not be able to learn on the field.
If he is being singled out its bullshit? How so?  
Jimmy Googs : 10/9/2017 8:30 am : link
He has been a clear cut weakness.

Welcome to the real world and what happens to weak performers. The rest will get theirs as well...
RE: That being said  
B in ALB : 10/9/2017 8:37 am : link
In comment 13638428 Kyle in NY said:
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In a sense, it's a good thing that he's pissed off. But you hope that he also recognizes his role in it all. He needs to improve, he's an important player moving forward. Hope it's a turning point


He didn't look too pissed off when he was yukking it up on the sidelines while Beckham was being carted off the field.

But he's a buckeye so he should be given some sort of leeway?

He's been pure shit on the field. Now he's becoming an issue off of it.
He may be right  
jvm52106 : 10/9/2017 8:39 am : link
but he is part of the problem though. What I see from those comments is a guy who wonders how others can play poorly and not be subjected to rules like this. I agree..

The coaching staff is woefully inadequate and the make up of this team lacks a number of things.

Who is the VETERAN leader on the Oline? Pugh? I don't think so. Jerry? Hell no. Richburg? Umm, also no.. TE's are all made up of younger guys and one guy who just joined the team who doesn't play enough to be a leader. Qb... Eli has never been the LEADER of players, just an example of doing your job and being an iron man. That is good but we still don't have a leader. Veteran RB as a leader? Nope, we don't have that either. WR? Hell NO!!! Our best WR and best player is not a LEADER by any stretch of the imagination. Marshall?? Too new, too ineffective and has never been a LEADER in the past... Our Offense has no leadership to right the ship. The Coach is clearly not that guy either.

Defensively.. Now, Harrison is a good to very good player but no idea on his leadership abilities. JPP? Never really been his thing. OV? No idea... LB's we have no really good veteran who can lead with both attitude adn play. JC is a leader supposedly but his play does nothing to change the games outcome, at least positively. Our secondary? Collins could be but he is playing more like 2015 than 2016... Product of the overall defense and lack of a safety next to him I would assume.

I can see why Apple said what he said and he is most likely right. Doesn't change the fact that he has played like crap and does not look like our future shut down CB...
Apple  
Marty866b : 10/9/2017 8:40 am : link
The way he's been playing he is fortunate that he even dresses. He is as big a bust as Flowers and lately even more so. Another high first round gem by Jerry Reese.
RE: RE: He's not wrong in the respect it's not just him  
JonC : 10/9/2017 8:41 am : link
In comment 13638439 Sammo85 said:
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In comment 13638410 JonC said:


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and also interesting he mentions culture is a big issue. He's a smart kid, just young and needs experience, but him mentioning culture and the benching message as "weird" it tends to put weight behind the red flags I/you/others had thrown up earlier.



Aside from his poor play on the field I am seeing him being a part of this culture problem. Hes been caught a few times this year and last year on camera joking around as we get crushed on the field and he seems to not be able to learn on the field.


No argument from me, he's clearly part of the problems and an obvious lightning rod for many fans to vent on, just making it clear it ain't just Apple.
No it's not just Apple but the list is so long maybe they  
Jimmy Googs : 10/9/2017 8:49 am : link
are just going alphabetically...
Get ready for a lot more of this  
UberAlias : 10/9/2017 8:49 am : link
Unhappy players complaining, finger pointing etc. Its about to get very ugly and Twitter is a lot more prevalent than the last time we were here, so get ready.
It's bullshit in the respect that he is far from the only deserving  
JonC : 10/9/2017 8:51 am : link
culprit, which is what he's also pointing out. They can't bench everyone but I'm disgusted watching these morons trot out there weekly and absolutely suck at their highly paid jobs.
They can't bench everyone  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/9/2017 8:53 am : link
and CB is one of the positions where we have depth and you can bench someone for a few series. Apple is also an extremely young player who still has alot to prove. Sounds like it's been a while since this guy has received his participation trophy..
B  
Kyle in NY : 10/9/2017 8:54 am : link
Come on now, I literally mentioned that exact moment above

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Think he still has a fair bit of maturing to do, in addition to the obvious technical issues he needs to clean up in his play. I too saw him laughing on the bench after going down in the 4th


Has nothing to do with where he went to school. He's been hot garbage this season, no doubt about it.

I'm just saying I'm going to going to hold out hope that he turns it around. We all gave up on Corey Webster once upon a time as well.
RE: B  
B in ALB : 10/9/2017 8:58 am : link
In comment 13638494 Kyle in NY said:
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Come on now, I literally mentioned that exact moment above



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Think he still has a fair bit of maturing to do, in addition to the obvious technical issues he needs to clean up in his play. I too saw him laughing on the bench after going down in the 4th



Has nothing to do with where he went to school. He's been hot garbage this season, no doubt about it.

I'm just saying I'm going to going to hold out hope that he turns it around. We all gave up on Corey Webster once upon a time as well.


I know, I know. I'm not advocating giving up on him. But he needs to keep his mouth shut. This kind of thing only magnifies what most of us fans already see in terms of the team culture and issues going forward.

Keep your mouth shut and do your job. Collect your paycheck and keep working. That'd be the first thing McNcheese should be telling these idiots. Anything less than that or spouting off in the media will be met with consequences to include fines and sitting on the fucking bench.
Doesn't say what he means by culture  
jeff57 : 10/9/2017 8:59 am : link
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I completely agree  
Kyle in NY : 10/9/2017 9:07 am : link
and it's likely only going to get worse as this season continues to spiral out of control.

We can only hope it further convinces ownership to dump this coach, who is pretty clearly in over his head.
This thread is indicative as to  
RetroJint : 10/9/2017 9:13 am : link
why everybody hates their corners. I was at the game yesterday . Apple was my primary focus. He had many plays where his coverage was excellent . He stayed home & kept contain on running play in the fourth quarter at the Charger +40 that would have been a cut back run TD had he got caught up in the trash. Jenkins and DRC blow force all the time .

I can't stand Carl Banks. The guy sees what he wants to see. It's obvious he wanted to place the blame for the third & long conversions directly on Eli, especially the one to Gates. What the hell is he doing covering Gates , anyway? It should be a bigger guy.

On Rivers TD passes, the 2 to Gordon are on Goodsen and Robinson. The deep sail to Henry is Landon Collins responsibility . That route takes a long time. Where the hell is the pass rush? Also how did Gordon, who is a career 3.2 average rusher, get the obligatory 20 for 100? What's Eli got to do with that ?

The Giants are playing shit defense all around. Spagnuolo has reverted to Saints-Giants'15 form .

All if this fucking M2M with no pass rush? They're playing Eli like he's Mike Haynes or Revis. But his play to this young point in his career is no worse than Mark Haynes, Mark Collins and Sehorn. He is a very talented player .
I'd be more concerned  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 10/9/2017 9:14 am : link
if Apple was really happy.
RE: This thread is indicative as to  
jeff57 : 10/9/2017 9:16 am : link
In comment 13638529 RetroJint said:
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why everybody hates their corners. I was at the game yesterday . Apple was my primary focus. He had many plays where his coverage was excellent . He stayed home & kept contain on running play in the fourth quarter at the Charger +40 that would have been a cut back run TD had he got caught up in the trash. Jenkins and DRC blow force all the time .

I can't stand Carl Banks. The guy sees what he wants to see. It's obvious he wanted to place the blame for the third & long conversions directly on Eli, especially the one to Gates. What the hell is he doing covering Gates , anyway? It should be a bigger guy.

On Rivers TD passes, the 2 to Gordon are on Goodsen and Robinson. The deep sail to Henry is Landon Collins responsibility . That route takes a long time. Where the hell is the pass rush? Also how did Gordon, who is a career 3.2 average rusher, get the obligatory 20 for 100? What's Eli got to do with that ?

The Giants are playing shit defense all around. Spagnuolo has reverted to Saints-Giants'15 form .

All if this fucking M2M with no pass rush? They're playing Eli like he's Mike Haynes or Revis. But his play to this young point in his career is no worse than Mark Haynes, Mark Collins and Sehorn. He is a very talented player .


Where is the pass rush? Good question.
He takes after  
Carl in CT : 10/9/2017 9:16 am : link
His mother
RE: This thread is indicative as to  
B in ALB : 10/9/2017 9:20 am : link
In comment 13638529 RetroJint said:
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why everybody hates their corners. I was at the game yesterday . Apple was my primary focus. He had many plays where his coverage was excellent . He stayed home & kept contain on running play in the fourth quarter at the Charger +40 that would have been a cut back run TD had he got caught up in the trash. Jenkins and DRC blow force all the time .

I can't stand Carl Banks. The guy sees what he wants to see. It's obvious he wanted to place the blame for the third & long conversions directly on Eli, especially the one to Gates. What the hell is he doing covering Gates , anyway? It should be a bigger guy.

On Rivers TD passes, the 2 to Gordon are on Goodsen and Robinson. The deep sail to Henry is Landon Collins responsibility . That route takes a long time. Where the hell is the pass rush? Also how did Gordon, who is a career 3.2 average rusher, get the obligatory 20 for 100? What's Eli got to do with that ?

The Giants are playing shit defense all around. Spagnuolo has reverted to Saints-Giants'15 form .

All if this fucking M2M with no pass rush? They're playing Eli like he's Mike Haynes or Revis. But his play to this young point in his career is no worse than Mark Haynes, Mark Collins and Sehorn. He is a very talented player .


They were playing a ton of zone yesterday and getting beat badly. And rivers missed an easy TD in the first half because Apple released down the middle.

Apple was getting worked on m2m coverages. Maybe that's why they played so much zone.
#10 pick  
richinpa : 10/9/2017 9:25 am : link
Enough said. He should be benched after giving up major game changing plays. If you listen to Banks/Papa they kill him on technique. Now they aren't the coaches....but it is what it is. he is not a first rounder
He's soft, but he gives good meetings.  
Motley Two : 10/9/2017 9:31 am : link
Reese has gotten sweet on a quite few of these guys leading up to the drafts. I like good character kids, who come from good families, get good grades and don't break the law as much as the next guy, but Reese clearly obsesses over these traits, because he's constantly mentioning them after every draft, but can they play football? Can they bang?
A lot of "league sources" questioned his attitude before the draft  
jlukes : 10/9/2017 9:31 am : link
so this isn't any surprise
RE: He sounds delusional and moronic.  
gmenatlarge : 10/9/2017 9:44 am : link
In comment 13638425 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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There are 3 cornerbacks playing the overwhelming majority of the time. He is the one who is routinely getting his ass whipped. In that sense, it is "just him".

The coaches have gone out of their way not to attack the young players publicly, so for Apple to accept zero accountability for his play is rather disturbing.


Absolutely, why does he think other teams always go after him, the weak link. Thanks, Jerry!
Apple reminds me a lot of Cory Webster  
Beer Man : 10/9/2017 10:14 am : link
Many were ready to run Cory out of town after his first few seasons. CB is one of the most difficult positions in the pros, Eli is going to have his ups and downs while he learns (just as Webster did).
Coughlin was right..  
Sean : 10/9/2017 10:17 am : link
Injuries are a cancer. They were in 2003 & are again in 2017.
Well  
Carson53 : 10/9/2017 10:25 am : link
Apple earned his demotion by giving up 21 catches on 30 targets for 234 yards and four touchdowns
with two pass interference penalties in the first four games.

Hey kid, just shut up and play football, or cry on
Ma Apple's shoulder okay. No one wants to hear from a
2nd year corner not performing up to snuff!
This could get ugly around here, losing is a bad elixir.
RE: Apple reminds me a lot of Cory Webster  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/9/2017 10:29 am : link
In comment 13638693 Beer Man said:
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Many were ready to run Cory out of town after his first few seasons. CB is one of the most difficult positions in the pros, Eli is going to have his ups and downs while he learns (just as Webster did).


Eli Apple is driving me crazy to the point I'm tired of looking at him, but I'm not ready to "run him out of town". He obviously has talent and is still a very young player (the youngest on the roster). I'm just extremely disappointed that he seems to be accepting zero responsibility for his poor play and is instead worrying about "culture" and what's happening with other people.
damn  
spike : 10/9/2017 10:30 am : link
millenial
RE: Apple reminds me a lot of Cory Webster  
Brown Recluse : 10/9/2017 10:30 am : link
In comment 13638693 Beer Man said:
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Many were ready to run Cory out of town after his first few seasons. CB is one of the most difficult positions in the pros, Eli is going to have his ups and downs while he learns (just as Webster did).


Every time the Giants draft a corner and he struggles early, fans point to Corey Webster. The same was said about Prince.

Giant fans make these sort of comparisons better than any fan base in all of sports.

Hell, people are still trying to find reasons why this season is just like 2007 and 2011.
This is all fine and good  
adamg : 10/9/2017 10:30 am : link
But can he cook?
Maybe its not as ingenius  
sinister_bee98 : 10/9/2017 10:31 am : link
as we think drafting all these 20 year olds. Its too much. Just get a hard nosed competitor instead of a kid
RE: RE: Apple reminds me a lot of Cory Webster  
Beer Man : 10/9/2017 10:35 am : link
In comment 13638748 Brown Recluse said:
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In comment 13638693 Beer Man said:


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Many were ready to run Cory out of town after his first few seasons. CB is one of the most difficult positions in the pros, Eli is going to have his ups and downs while he learns (just as Webster did).



Every time the Giants draft a corner and he struggles early, fans point to Corey Webster. The same was said about Prince.

Giant fans make these sort of comparisons better than any fan base in all of sports.

Hell, people are still trying to find reasons why this season is just like 2007 and 2011.
Other than Prince and Apple, I don't believe the Giants have spent a premium pick on a CB since Webster. I don't remember anyone comparing Prince to Webster, Prince's issues were he couldn't stay healthy.
The culture comments just  
sinister_bee98 : 10/9/2017 10:37 am : link
make me roll my eyes even more. Rap music blaring through-out practice, guys dancing, maybe we can get back to actually playing football?

Hard to believe how loose McAdoo cultivated the atmosphere.

Give an inch....
Apple  
AcidTest : 10/9/2017 10:52 am : link
is having the same problems in the NFL that he had in college, namely locating the ball in the air, and turning his head.

Apple is not a boundary corner, at least not right now. He needs to be in the slot, where the play is more likely to be in front of him, and his problems with ball location are less likely to happen. Of course, spending a top 10 pick on a slot corner is not a good use of resources.

I would use Hunter on the outside.
RE: RE: RE: Apple reminds me a lot of Cory Webster  
Beer Man : 10/9/2017 10:54 am : link
In comment 13638770 Beer Man said:
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In comment 13638748 Brown Recluse said:


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In comment 13638693 Beer Man said:


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Many were ready to run Cory out of town after his first few seasons. CB is one of the most difficult positions in the pros, Eli is going to have his ups and downs while he learns (just as Webster did).



Every time the Giants draft a corner and he struggles early, fans point to Corey Webster. The same was said about Prince.

Giant fans make these sort of comparisons better than any fan base in all of sports.

Hell, people are still trying to find reasons why this season is just like 2007 and 2011.

Other than Prince and Apple, I don't believe the Giants have spent a premium pick on a CB since Webster. I don't remember anyone comparing Prince to Webster, Prince's issues were he couldn't stay healthy.
Almost forgot Arron Ross. But, he played along side Webster, another player that couldn't stay healthy, and left the Giants 2 years before Cory's career as a Giant ended.
Well  
NNJ Tom : 10/9/2017 11:06 am : link
At least his pants didn't fall down, so there's that.
I hope he reads these posts.  
Giant John : 10/9/2017 11:15 am : link
Then stops talking and just plays to his capability.
Just wait until  
Modus Operandi : 10/9/2017 12:02 pm : link
Mama Apple weighs in on her blog, blaming the GM, players and coaching staff for her son's inability to run with his head turned.
Out of everybody on the roster  
SHO'NUFF : 10/9/2017 12:05 pm : link
Eli Apple is the only one they hold accountable for his play? RFLMAO...
RE: Apple  
mdc1 : 10/9/2017 3:20 pm : link
In comment 13638807 AcidTest said:
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is having the same problems in the NFL that he had in college, namely locating the ball in the air, and turning his head.

Apple is not a boundary corner, at least not right now. He needs to be in the slot, where the play is more likely to be in front of him, and his problems with ball location are less likely to happen. Of course, spending a top 10 pick on a slot corner is not a good use of resources.

I would use Hunter on the outside.
that and spending a top 10 pick on a guy playing against stellar competition weekly at Ohio St in the Big 10. Probably played 2 tough games a year. Same with Flowers, how many fucking years did he actually play football.
I think this is the first player  
montanagiant : 10/9/2017 3:54 pm : link
Coming out about a broken culture in the Clubhouse..
RE: He may be right  
chopperhatch : 10/9/2017 5:45 pm : link
In comment 13638462 jvm52106 said:
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but he is part of the problem though. What I see from those comments is a guy who wonders how others can play poorly and not be subjected to rules like this. I agree..

The coaching staff is woefully inadequate and the make up of this team lacks a number of things.

Who is the VETERAN leader on the Oline? Pugh? I don't think so. Jerry? Hell no. Richburg? Umm, also no.. TE's are all made up of younger guys and one guy who just joined the team who doesn't play enough to be a leader. Qb... Eli has never been the LEADER of players, just an example of doing your job and being an iron man. That is good but we still don't have a leader. Veteran RB as a leader? Nope, we don't have that either. WR? Hell NO!!! Our best WR and best player is not a LEADER by any stretch of the imagination. Marshall?? Too new, too ineffective and has never been a LEADER in the past... Our Offense has no leadership to right the ship. The Coach is clearly not that guy either.

Defensively.. Now, Harrison is a good to very good player but no idea on his leadership abilities. JPP? Never really been his thing. OV? No idea... LB's we have no really good veteran who can lead with both attitude adn play. JC is a leader supposedly but his play does nothing to change the games outcome, at least positively. Our secondary? Collins could be but he is playing more like 2015 than 2016... Product of the overall defense and lack of a safety next to him I would assume.

I can see why Apple said what he said and he is most likely right. Doesn't change the fact that he has played like crap and does not look like our future shut down CB...


I have said this quite a bit the past two years. The thing is that nobody WANTS to take a leadership role on this team either. Though I think Harrison has been the closest thing to that. Last year zi thought JPP was making quite a few moves in that direction. But this year he has been silent.

You have to wonder if some of these guys have stayed silent because they are not fans of the staff either. Being outspoken, disobedient, disruptive and poisoning the well are counterproductive in terms of future contracts and getting the trust of other staffs. Maybe the most telling and effective way they can show their disapproval might be like a dead fall: let the coaching staff die by their own weight of poor decisions.

Might sound like a reach, but I have not seen such outspoken players so silent.
RE: Maybe its not as ingenius  
markky : 10/9/2017 5:54 pm : link
In comment 13638756 sinister_bee98 said:
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as we think drafting all these 20 year olds. Its too much. Just get a hard nosed competitor instead of a kid

i've never liked it. you have them a couple of years before they're ready, competing against more mature players. it doesn't seem to make any sense.
Some posters  
XBRONX : 10/9/2017 6:10 pm : link
say Apple had a real good rookie year. Saw this stat from his rookie year don't know if it is accurate.Apple has allowed 60.7 percent of passes thrown his way to be caught and surrendered a passer rating of 92.6 when targeted.
Eli Apple is not Happy  
Jim in NH : 10/9/2017 6:13 pm : link
Neither am I
Brown recluse  
XBRONX : 10/9/2017 6:43 pm : link
You are right on. Same thing with WR's, if they struggle early we hear the Amani Toomer rant.
'Eli Apple not happy'...  
Torrag : 10/9/2017 8:52 pm : link
...he needs to look in two places, a mirror and the game film. He's regressed badly. Want to play? Get better. How many times does it take not getting your head around to find the ball resulting in a TD or PI before you get a fucking clue. He's been awful so far this season and has earned a stretch on the pine..
Why all the comments about Eli Apple's mom?  
eclipz928 : 10/9/2017 9:00 pm : link
She has nothing to do with this, let's stay classy and leave the players' family out of it.
RE: Why all the comments about Eli Apple's mom?  
SHO'NUFF : 10/9/2017 10:01 pm : link
In comment 13640160 eclipz928 said:
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She has nothing to do with this, let's stay classy and leave the players' family out of it.


But she put herself in the spotlight since draft day...
RE: RE: Maybe its not as ingenius  
sinister_bee98 : 10/9/2017 10:05 pm : link
In comment 13639775 markky said:
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In comment 13638756 sinister_bee98 said:


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as we think drafting all these 20 year olds. Its too much. Just get a hard nosed competitor instead of a kid


i've never liked it. you have them a couple of years before they're ready, competing against more mature players. it doesn't seem to make any sense.


Agreed. If they don't lose their confidence getting their ass handed to them because they're too young, they become good just in time to hit free agency.
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