The season is over. It may not be officially over, but it doesn't get any more over than this at 0-5 going into Denver and looking at 0-6, 0-7 and onward.
I'm not advocating sitting Eli, but how exactly do the Giants know what they have in Webb going forward in order to gauge our need to draft a QB if he doesn't get playing time? How do you judge his value to the future of the team? And, with the season over, why risk Eli going down with a debilitating injury? I know the Giants will never admit defeat, but I freaking hate the situation they're in right now.
If the Giants have a high, top-5 pick, and all signs point to them having exactly that, with 3 very good QB's at the top of the draft, do we give up on Webb without knowing exactly how he can benefit the club? If we do pick a QB, that makes the third round pick of Webb a waste. Do they keep Webb as a backup and let him finish out his time here? Do they trade him?
I just don't like the idea of going into the offseason without knowing if Webb can be a quarterback of the future. By all accounts, he's a very good (albeit raw) QB and some scouts had him going in round two or even round one. I believe one scout said he was the best value QB of the draft.
Nothing to do with Eli, really. Wins from this point are counter-productive.
But isn't he going to be just as much at risk physically? Won't his evaluation skewed by the lack of healthy WRs and a poor OL in front of him?
He's here to learn right now. I'm not against him taking snaps, but there's a reason why Eli is who he is, why he makes the money he does. Maybe if things are really bad at the end of the season, I could see Webb getting some snaps, but we're not about to hand him the keys and see what he can do.
Eli has two years left on his contract. You pick a QB high and you let him sit and learn behind a true Pro who can teach/mentor him, and who better to do that than Eli? Rogers sat behind Favre for what? 3 years?
What good does it do to play Webb with NO Wide Receivers. You want to see what he can do with a garbage line and garbage receivers.
All the people who would quit are quitters in life. Your attitude is awful. I hope they win as many games as possible.
Playing or not playing to better a drafts status is a losers mentality.
His picks in mid round are awful!
Also: decent chance Reese nabbed a franchise QB in the 3rd round of a QB poor draft.
C'mon folks, a little consistency please.
What good does it do to play Webb with NO Wide Receivers. You want to see what he can do with a garbage line and garbage receivers.
All the people who would quit are quitters in life. Your attitude is awful. I hope they win as many games as possible.
Playing or not playing to better a drafts status is a losers mentality.
I'm a realist. I root for them to win. They weren't winning next week anyway, and now with no OBJ, they are winning MAYBE 3 games on the remainder of the year. We will have a top 5 pick.
We will be in a situation that only comes around every 10-20 years: the dwindling time on a franchise QB and the opportunity to secure a next generation QB. I just don't know how you make the determination to draft Eli's eventual replacement without knowing what cards you're holding in your hand.
Webb will not prevent them from drafting a QB high. If there is a guy there they like, they'll take him.
I think Eli's contract runs through 2019 with an option to take a hit and opt out after 2018, or something of the sort. So they have time to sort out his successor.
Webb will not prevent them from drafting a QB high. If there is a guy there they like, they'll take him.
I think Eli's contract runs through 2019 with an option to take a hit and opt out after 2018, or something of the sort. So they have time to sort out his successor.
This post should be pinned to the top of the Corner Forum.
Eli is an Iron Man. You can't sit him. Now, if somebody wanted a QB badly (say Bradford stays injured or if the Jags want somebody instead of Bortles) then maybe Eli could be traded. But, I don't see him wanting to be traded or anyone willing to trade for him and his contract.
Eli start, Webb backup and Smith cut...
Not saying that it isn't the right move, but it'd be an absolute PR nightmare and the media would be frothing at the mouth
Not saying that it isn't the right move, but it'd be an absolute PR nightmare and the media would be frothing at the mouth
Eli can start and still maintain his streak. I'm not advocating sitting Eli, I'm just opening up a discussion. What I'd like to see them do is, if they're getting blown out, put Webb in for the 4th. Let him play with the first string guys, as bad as they are. Give him some playing time and bring him up to NFL speed. At the end of the season, you'll have a much better picture of where you stand at QB.
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Could you imagine the firestorm Mac would create by intentionally sitting Eli and ending the streak?
Not saying that it isn't the right move, but it'd be an absolute PR nightmare and the media would be frothing at the mouth
Eli can start and still maintain his streak. I'm not advocating sitting Eli, I'm just opening up a discussion. What I'd like to see them do is, if they're getting blown out, put Webb in for the 4th. Let him play with the first string guys, as bad as they are. Give him some playing time and bring him up to NFL speed. At the end of the season, you'll have a much better picture of where you stand at QB.
That's reasonable, and the more likely scenario.
His only hope is to salvage a few wins and Eli gives him the best shot at that. And if he had thoughts to the contrary, he doesn't have the organizational clout to make that call.
Remember they see him every day, they'll know when it might be time to give him a shot, but then they have to navigate handling Eli, whom won the franchise two championships.
More likely they draft a QB high next April and then things begin to heat up.
Remember they see him every day, they'll know when it might be time to give him a shot, but then they have to navigate handling Eli, whom won the franchise two championships.
More likely they draft a QB high next April and then things begin to heat up.
There is no guarantee that this is going to happen, but if the Giants blow it up, Reese gone, Mcadoo gone, Spagnoulo gone, I'd just prefer to rebuild. Clean the chalkboard and start over with a Coach who's going to groom the new QB of this club. Allowing this to linger, with missing personnel due to injury, a shitty line, etc. is just prolonging the inevitable.
It's pretty easy and clear to see, not sure why it's so hard for some people to comprehend.
Guaranteed, the Giants are not playing Webb whether the OL improves or WR's get healthy.
Now, play Webb late in games where a game is out of hand either way......sure.
Eli Manning is the QB of the Giants, and will play. There are no exceptions.
Because it better not be Reese and McAdoo.
Because it better not be Reese and McAdoo.
Bingo.
Seems like a fair evaluation.
There is no argument at this point. That argument is now settled.
YouTube David Carr's rookie year in Houston. No line or receivers. The rest of his career he was ruined with happy feet.
Is that really a smart situation to put a kid in? If Eli gets hurt, sign a vet scrub.
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with no receivers and this suppose garbage line and has success that it will hurt their whole argument that is the GM fault and the fault of the HC
YouTube David Carr's rookie year in Houston. No line or receivers. The rest of his career he was ruined with happy feet.
Is that really a smart situation to put a kid in? If Eli gets hurt, sign a vet scrub.
We already have Geno Smith on the roster.
Seems like a fair evaluation.
OK that was funny
Eli has to understand that he is not the future of this team and as the loyal player he has always been should not begrudge the team for wanting to see what they have in Webb. Giving up playing time in a 4th quarter blowout is not a major concession to ask.
Eli has two years left on his contract. You pick a QB high and you let him sit and learn behind a true Pro who can teach/mentor him, and who better to do that than Eli? Rogers sat behind Favre for what? 3 years?
This is ideal. Eli still has some juice left anyway.
The likely scenario is clear as day - Giants draft a QB high, he rides the bench for a couple of seasons as Eli winds down the clock. If Webb turns out to be anything more than a clipboard holder, you trade him.
Look it up. Check every single tanking team in NFL history over the last 30 years. If that team had a legit QB, the QB didn't sit. Ever. Think Drew Brees. Think Eli Manning back in 2013 or 2014 or 2015. Think Brett Favre some seasons where the Pack struggled. Think Troy Aikman in the early 2000s. On and on and on.
The franchise QB won't be benched. Don't like it? Ask yourself why it virtually never happens.
His picks in mid round are awful!
Also: decent chance Reese nabbed a franchise QB in the 3rd round of a QB poor draft.
C'mon folks, a little consistency please.
1) McAdoo wanted a QB so Reese appeased his HC
2) Are you paying attention to this QB class? It's pretty good!
Could Eli play the 1st Quarter while Webb watches what the Defense is showing, and then Webb plays the rest of the game ??
Would the 1st Quarter be enough to keep Eli's streak alive ??
The last year of these big Contracts is typically "paper money" and the possibility of cutting without major Cap Hit is always there.
Of course, there's no guarantee that the Staff and Scouts draft the right QB or use the boatload of Picks correctly.
There is no need to see what we have in Davis Webb. He is a 3rd round pick, no the heir apparent.
There is no need to see what we have in Davis Webb. He is a 3rd round pick, no the heir apparent.
Then why waste a draft pick on him?
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There is no need to see what we have in Davis Webb. He is a 3rd round pick, no the heir apparent.
Then why waste a draft pick on him?
Because he was meant to be a quality backup for Eli for the next 2-3 years, and potentially take over if he played well enough. You can invest a 3rd rounder in that. But if you need to find your next franchise QB, you need to do that at the top of the first round.
That said, after the bye week, even if the Giants are not 0-7(at Denver at home Seattle) I think they should start Webb for the rest of the season. The Giants are extremely likely to have a very high pick. There are franchise QBs in next years’ draft but if Webb shows promise, trading back could net them the picks, this team without depth, desperately needs(See recent trades to move up and get QBs). They can’t gamble, they need to know what they have in Webb. The future of the franchise is greater than Eli’s streak.
I know that is not popular and you cannot find a history of teams sitting a healthy franchise QB under contract. Most teams would have started Bledsoe over Brady once healthy. Sometimes you have to break with convention. This is the time. If Webb shows growth, the ability to make quick decisions and maybe most importantly., the character to command the huddle it will change our approach to next years’ vital draft to the future of this franchise.