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It's nuts how Giants receivers can't stay healthy

Greg from LI : 10/9/2017 9:14 am
Since 2007 the Giants have drafted Steve Smith, Hakeem Nicks, Mario Manningham, Victor Cruz, Odell Beckham, and Sterling Shepard. Four of them were Pro Bowl caliber and two were above average......and yet all of them couldn't make it through 4 seasons without a major injury. The first four basically saw their careers ended by those injuries, never again approaching their pre-injury play.

God knows the Giants have screwed up a lot of things, but they sure haven't had much luck either.
The concern for me is  
The_Boss : 10/9/2017 9:19 am : link
upon his return next year, is Beckham a compromised player?
sorry Greg  
gidiefor : Mod : 10/9/2017 9:19 am : link
the Giants didn't draft Cruz -- the Jets did : )
Greg from LI  
Ben in Tampa : 10/9/2017 9:38 am : link
I was thinking the same thing yesterday. There is a curse of the Giants #1 WR.
I wonder what the common denominator is with these guys  
Jimmy Googs : 10/9/2017 9:49 am : link
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RE: I wonder what the common denominator is with these guys  
BillKo : 10/9/2017 9:52 am : link
In comment 13638624 Jimmy Googs said:
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Seems to be OBJ is the only one where you could blame (and that's still wrong) on a throw from Eli.

Yeah, Eli's throw to OBJ was off target  
jcn56 : 10/9/2017 9:53 am : link
but I don't think it lead to his injury.
RE: Yeah, Eli's throw to OBJ was off target  
Britt in VA : 10/9/2017 9:54 am : link
In comment 13638636 jcn56 said:
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but I don't think it lead to his injury.


Typical BBI to blame the injury on Eli.

WR's make that catch every Sunday all day without breaking their leg.
A more accurate throw and he's not jumping in the air  
B in ALB : 10/9/2017 9:57 am : link
It might very well have played out differently. I'm sure Eli would tell you the same thing.

It's not Eli bashing to just state the obvious.
RE: RE: Yeah, Eli's throw to OBJ was off target  
hitdog42 : 10/9/2017 9:59 am : link
In comment 13638638 Britt in VA said:
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but I don't think it lead to his injury.



Typical BBI to blame the injury on Eli.

WR's make that catch every Sunday all day without breaking their leg.


So if he doesnít have to jump on a ball thrown 8 yards
In the air he still breaks his leg?

Itís not bashing to state facts.
Fact one- obj broke his leg
Fact two- if he doesnít have to jump his leg doesnít break

Stating facts is not hating- itís watching and reporting what happened without emotion
RE: RE: RE: Yeah, Eli's throw to OBJ was off target  
Britt in VA : 10/9/2017 10:02 am : link
In comment 13638649 hitdog42 said:
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but I don't think it lead to his injury.



Typical BBI to blame the injury on Eli.

WR's make that catch every Sunday all day without breaking their leg.



So if he doesnít have to jump on a ball thrown 8 yards
In the air he still breaks his leg?

Itís not bashing to state facts.
Fact one- obj broke his leg
Fact two- if he doesnít have to jump his leg doesnít break

Stating facts is not hating- itís watching and reporting what happened without emotion


It's football.

I'm not stating that Odell didn't have to jump for the ball, I'm stating it's bad luck that he broke his leg.

Guys make that catch/move/jump 99/100 times, probably more, without breaking their leg.
Looking for somebody to blame is dumb..  
Britt in VA : 10/9/2017 10:03 am : link
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So a better throw  
B in ALB : 10/9/2017 10:04 am : link
And he still breaks his ankle?
RE: Looking for somebody to blame is dumb..  
hitdog42 : 10/9/2017 10:05 am : link
In comment 13638661 Britt in VA said:
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Blaming is a defense mechanism

Facts are not

Look, I've given Eli grief here for the high throws  
jcn56 : 10/9/2017 10:08 am : link
and I do think that guys have been lit up more often than they need to be because he tends to throw a bit high.

Yesterday's throw was high, but he came down on the ankle badly. Could it have happened with a better throw? Maybe less likely, but it was the resulting tackle that caused the injury, and that could have happened with a lower throw as well IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydvGZTzyNU8 - ( New Window )
He came down on the ankle  
jcn56 : 10/9/2017 10:09 am : link
= the defender..
RE: Look, I've given Eli grief here for the high throws  
Britt in VA : 10/9/2017 10:11 am : link
In comment 13638674 jcn56 said:
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and I do think that guys have been lit up more often than they need to be because he tends to throw a bit high.

Yesterday's throw was high, but he came down on the ankle badly. Could it have happened with a better throw? Maybe less likely, but it was the resulting tackle that caused the injury, and that could have happened with a lower throw as well IMO. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydvGZTzyNU8 - ( New Window )


That's all I'm saying.
RE: The concern for me is  
bigbluescot : 10/9/2017 10:11 am : link
In comment 13638552 The_Boss said:
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upon his return next year, is Beckham a compromised player?


Physically, if it's just a break and there's no additional nerve or ligament damage then he shouldn't compromised physically. Those are pretty big if's though.

Mentally it'll be a different story until he gets a contract. Even ignoring Beckham being a tad high strung, most players in his situation would be pretty concerned about a serious injury without a long term contract. Bit of a chicken and the egg situation could develop there.
It was a horsecollar'ish tackle...  
Britt in VA : 10/9/2017 10:11 am : link
without the actual horsecollar. Those types of tackles are dangerous.
The knee jerk reactions around here are ridiculous  
Mike from Ohio : 10/9/2017 10:14 am : link
It was a poor throw that led to OBJ getting hurt. It's ok to say that without being an Eli basher. As hitdog said, each of those are facts.
Just put the post out there to start the witches brew  
Jimmy Googs : 10/9/2017 10:17 am : link
Don't really think Eli is the root cause of all those WRs issues.

However, the sheer desperation of how this offense has to play on 3rd down, passes so close to LOS, 4th qtr desperation are all contributors to selling out our WRs.

And that was a shit throw that exposed our guy. And that's a fact.
It just seems like faulty logic to me  
jcn56 : 10/9/2017 10:18 am : link
and I'm one of the guys who gets grief for calling Eli out for bad plays when he makes them.

It seems like the implication is bad throw = OBJ hurt, then good throw = OBJ healthy. If he suffered a concussion, a rib injury - something from a hit up high, I could see it, but they both went to the ground and his ankle got rolled, that could have happened with a good throw too.
RE: It just seems like faulty logic to me  
Britt in VA : 10/9/2017 10:19 am : link
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and I'm one of the guys who gets grief for calling Eli out for bad plays when he makes them.

It seems like the implication is bad throw = OBJ hurt, then good throw = OBJ healthy. If he suffered a concussion, a rib injury - something from a hit up high, I could see it, but they both went to the ground and his ankle got rolled, that could have happened with a good throw too.


People are angry, and looking to place blame.
I don't see anybody placing blame  
Kyle in NY : 10/9/2017 10:21 am : link
It's just stating the reality of the situation. Nobody is angry with Eli over it, at least nobody thinking rationally. However, he could have made a better throw and maybe the outcome would be different. It's unfortunate but true
He would have gotten crunched though  
Kyle in NY : 10/9/2017 10:23 am : link
if he does make the catch. It was an incredibly tight window to make the play, likely because we predictably ran a slant for the 10,000th time this season
Yeah, that's exactly it - maybe  
jcn56 : 10/9/2017 10:23 am : link
Maybe it would have been different. Maybe it would have been the same.

He deserves criticism for the bad throw, but I don't think the predict the future game that comes after is warranted.
That's fair  
Kyle in NY : 10/9/2017 10:24 am : link
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And if Eli throws the  
LS : 10/9/2017 10:25 am : link
ball more on target to Marshall, he doesn't have to reach up with one hand, twisting his body out of alignment, and therefore causing him to step on his ankle wrong, causing an injury. Eli is to blame for the Giants losing at least 2 wide receivers yesterday. Damn it Eli!
It wasn't an accurate throw  
B in ALB : 10/9/2017 10:27 am : link
And the throw put his receiver in a position to take more punishment. If the ball is lower Beckham could make himself smaller during the process of the catch, and absorb less punishment from a tackle. He could protect himself better. It's not rocket science and it's not bashing Eli. It's just telling it like it is.
throw wasnt accurate  
Dankbeerman : 10/9/2017 10:42 am : link
because the ball had to be thrown hard and early. there was a very small window to hit that throw as we fooled nobody and again ran a play that had one route.

Worst thing was Chargers werent even taking timeouts. They didnt think we could just run the ball and get the 1st.
Did  
crick n NC : 10/9/2017 10:49 am : link
Manning have to elevate the throw because of DL getting their hands up? That is typically a very low trajectory throw, one that gets batted down.

Also, did Beckham run his route at the proper depth? These are also factors in the play.

It wasn't an accurate throw  
HomerJones45 : 10/9/2017 10:51 am : link
but you have an offense predicated on sending 180 lbs guys into the short middle with a qb who tends to miss, when he does, high.

I have always wondered if the artificial surface has something to do with it. Does anyone know whether the Jet suffer an inordinate amount of calf and ankle injuries?
It's not unusual for unusual for injuries  
Jay in Toronto : 10/9/2017 10:52 am : link
To hit one unit. I remember years when it was our DBs, or Lbs or Wrs etc
I'm thinking of all the instances where our receivers got hurt:  
SHO'NUFF : 10/9/2017 12:25 pm : link
Nicks - vs Tampa Bay - Defender landed on him, not on Eli.
Cruz - vs Eagles - Decent throw by Eli to the endzone, freak incident when Cruz jumped, not on Eli.
Manningham - can't pinpoint where he got hurt.
Smith - vs Eagles - freak tackle, not on Eli.
Plax - vs Gun in waistband - stupidity, not on Eli.
The only one questionable is  
SHO'NUFF : 10/9/2017 12:27 pm : link
OBJ - vs Chargers - high throw, weird tackle, maybe on Eli.
RE: I'm thinking of all the instances where our receivers got hurt:  
Simms11 : 10/9/2017 1:37 pm : link
In comment 13639073 SHO'NUFF said:
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Nicks - vs Tampa Bay - Defender landed on him, not on Eli.
Cruz - vs Eagles - Decent throw by Eli to the endzone, freak incident when Cruz jumped, not on Eli.
Manningham - can't pinpoint where he got hurt.
Smith - vs Eagles - freak tackle, not on Eli.
Plax - vs Gun in waistband - stupidity, not on Eli.


Bad luck is more likely. Each injury has its own story and I donít see a common thread here.
The common thread is  
SHO'NUFF : 10/10/2017 5:42 am : link
it's not Eli's fault
RE: I don't see anybody placing blame  
madgiantscow009 : 10/10/2017 5:57 am : link
In comment 13638713 Kyle in NY said:
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It's just stating the reality of the situation. Nobody is angry with Eli over it, at least nobody thinking rationally. However, he could have made a better throw and maybe the outcome would be different. It's unfortunate but true


or he could have made a worse throw and maybe the outcome would be different. It's unfortunate but true.
I donít think placing blame on Eli  
BBelle21 : 10/10/2017 7:07 am : link
For Odell's injury has anything to do with reality or simply stating facts. Itís completely wrong. We all watch these receivers go up for passes like that every week from every QB. It was a touch high perhaps to avoid getting batted down. Some act like Odell had to make a circus catch there from a ball totally off target. Eli is in no way to blame here and itís pretty low rent to insinuate that he is.
The CB fell on OBJ's ankle  
section125 : 10/10/2017 8:42 am : link
and it got twisted after he had to jump. It was a poor throw to another open receiver; how many high throws did he make Sunday? A few at least, but that is usual for Eli, not extraordinary.
A decent throw and OBJ likely gets the 1st down.

Can't blame the QB for the broken ankle, freakish tackling sequence, but can blame him for another bad throw to put his guy in a vulnerable position.
Completely disagree.  
BBelle21 : 10/10/2017 8:50 am : link
A QB throwing a high pass has absolutely nothing to do with a receiver falling down awkwardly and getting twisted. Youíre just looking for a reason to vent about what you find disappointing about Eli in general.
well, this thread went in a weird direction  
Greg from LI : 10/10/2017 8:54 am : link
All I meant to say was that the WR position has been subject to awful luck. Wasn't saying anything about Eli at all.
here is the thing  
giantfan2000 : 10/10/2017 9:22 am : link
there are injuries
which happen in football
and recovering from injuries

Giants receivers in past would get injuried and then never be the same player afterwards.
this comes down to Strength and Conditioning

I am concerned that rash of ankle injuries is due to training methods on new S & C program . so maybe it is bad luck
but seems like it is too many players for coincidence

however . last year was a huge success in terms of injuries .. I hope this new team can figure it out and correct any problems

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