Since 2007 the Giants have drafted Steve Smith, Hakeem Nicks, Mario Manningham, Victor Cruz, Odell Beckham, and Sterling Shepard. Four of them were Pro Bowl caliber and two were above average......and yet all of them couldn't make it through 4 seasons without a major injury. The first four basically saw their careers ended by those injuries, never again approaching their pre-injury play.
God knows the Giants have screwed up a lot of things, but they sure haven't had much luck either.
Seems to be OBJ is the only one where you could blame (and that's still wrong) on a throw from Eli.
Typical BBI to blame the injury on Eli.
WR's make that catch every Sunday all day without breaking their leg.
It's not Eli bashing to just state the obvious.
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but I don't think it lead to his injury.
Typical BBI to blame the injury on Eli.
WR's make that catch every Sunday all day without breaking their leg.
So if he doesn’t have to jump on a ball thrown 8 yards
In the air he still breaks his leg?
It’s not bashing to state facts.
Fact one- obj broke his leg
Fact two- if he doesn’t have to jump his leg doesn’t break
Stating facts is not hating- it’s watching and reporting what happened without emotion
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In comment 13638636 jcn56 said:
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but I don't think it lead to his injury.
Typical BBI to blame the injury on Eli.
WR's make that catch every Sunday all day without breaking their leg.
So if he doesn’t have to jump on a ball thrown 8 yards
In the air he still breaks his leg?
It’s not bashing to state facts.
Fact one- obj broke his leg
Fact two- if he doesn’t have to jump his leg doesn’t break
Stating facts is not hating- it’s watching and reporting what happened without emotion
It's football.
I'm not stating that Odell didn't have to jump for the ball, I'm stating it's bad luck that he broke his leg.
Guys make that catch/move/jump 99/100 times, probably more, without breaking their leg.
Blaming is a defense mechanism
Facts are not
Yesterday's throw was high, but he came down on the ankle badly. Could it have happened with a better throw? Maybe less likely, but it was the resulting tackle that caused the injury, and that could have happened with a lower throw as well IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydvGZTzyNU8 - ( New Window )
Yesterday's throw was high, but he came down on the ankle badly. Could it have happened with a better throw? Maybe less likely, but it was the resulting tackle that caused the injury, and that could have happened with a lower throw as well IMO. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydvGZTzyNU8 - ( New Window )
That's all I'm saying.
Physically, if it's just a break and there's no additional nerve or ligament damage then he shouldn't compromised physically. Those are pretty big if's though.
Mentally it'll be a different story until he gets a contract. Even ignoring Beckham being a tad high strung, most players in his situation would be pretty concerned about a serious injury without a long term contract. Bit of a chicken and the egg situation could develop there.
However, the sheer desperation of how this offense has to play on 3rd down, passes so close to LOS, 4th qtr desperation are all contributors to selling out our WRs.
And that was a shit throw that exposed our guy. And that's a fact.
It seems like the implication is bad throw = OBJ hurt, then good throw = OBJ healthy. If he suffered a concussion, a rib injury - something from a hit up high, I could see it, but they both went to the ground and his ankle got rolled, that could have happened with a good throw too.
It seems like the implication is bad throw = OBJ hurt, then good throw = OBJ healthy. If he suffered a concussion, a rib injury - something from a hit up high, I could see it, but they both went to the ground and his ankle got rolled, that could have happened with a good throw too.
People are angry, and looking to place blame.
He deserves criticism for the bad throw, but I don't think the predict the future game that comes after is warranted.
Worst thing was Chargers werent even taking timeouts. They didnt think we could just run the ball and get the 1st.
Also, did Beckham run his route at the proper depth? These are also factors in the play.
I have always wondered if the artificial surface has something to do with it. Does anyone know whether the Jet suffer an inordinate amount of calf and ankle injuries?
Cruz - vs Eagles - Decent throw by Eli to the endzone, freak incident when Cruz jumped, not on Eli.
Manningham - can't pinpoint where he got hurt.
Smith - vs Eagles - freak tackle, not on Eli.
Plax - vs Gun in waistband - stupidity, not on Eli.
Cruz - vs Eagles - Decent throw by Eli to the endzone, freak incident when Cruz jumped, not on Eli.
Manningham - can't pinpoint where he got hurt.
Smith - vs Eagles - freak tackle, not on Eli.
Plax - vs Gun in waistband - stupidity, not on Eli.
Bad luck is more likely. Each injury has its own story and I don’t see a common thread here.
or he could have made a worse throw and maybe the outcome would be different. It's unfortunate but true.
A decent throw and OBJ likely gets the 1st down.
Can't blame the QB for the broken ankle, freakish tackling sequence, but can blame him for another bad throw to put his guy in a vulnerable position.
which happen in football
and recovering from injuries
Giants receivers in past would get injuried and then never be the same player afterwards.
this comes down to Strength and Conditioning
I am concerned that rash of ankle injuries is due to training methods on new S & C program . so maybe it is bad luck
but seems like it is too many players for coincidence
however . last year was a huge success in terms of injuries .. I hope this new team can figure it out and correct any problems