for a franchise QB, I'd just prefer that they rebuild. McAdoo is tied to Reese. You're not going to saddle a new GM with a coach so you need to get rid of both at the same time. New GM, new coach, new QB of the future.
Unfortunately, knowing the Giants, this strategy makes too much sense. The timing on this really sucks.
if no one is going to IR. You'd have to release someone.
Hopefully we get an update on Marshall/Shepp today.
Really good article....basically the Giants have been the same team since 2015. A team that plays on the ledge....lots of close games where you have to make plays to win.
We really haven't blown out a team since....when???
2016 must have given the hierarchy a false sense of what the team is Â
There are holes all over the roster still:
RB, multiple spots along the OL, WR, DT, LB, FS, CB depth, and QB long term.
I don't think rebuild is the term because there are a good number of good players already. I think, assuming the right people are making the roster shaping decisions and coaching the team, this team can compete next year in the division. As for Super Bowls? They appear to be 2-3 years away, especially if they are breaking in a new QB in a year or 2.
for a franchise QB, I'd just prefer that they rebuild. McAdoo is tied to Reese. You're not going to saddle a new GM with a coach so you need to get rid of both at the same time. New GM, new coach, new QB of the future.
Unfortunately, knowing the Giants, this strategy makes too much sense. The timing on this really sucks.
Absolutely...you can't fire Reese without firing McAdoo because no quality GM is going to take the job with a coach tied to their hip from the outset by ownership (see John Idzik/Rex Ryan, circa 2013)
2 offensive linemen... a linebacker that can cover and another corner.
The talent is not bad on the roster but the weaknesses are bad and the coaching staff is overmatched, and gm should go as this team needs fresh eyes to evaluate
First, he pursued a bevy of midtier free agents with limited success, paying premiums to add replacement-level players such as Dwayne Harris, Rashad Jennings and J.T. Thomas to fill spots smarter teams would occupy with draft picks.
Boom. Then there's the follow-up:
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The spending also has incurred an enormous opportunity cost in terms of improving the weaker spots in the Giants' lineup. The Giants did not have the financial wiggle room to target any of the veterans available in free agency this season along the offensive line, limiting them to a Chargers castoff in D.J. Fluker. They sat out the free-agent market at running back and came back with 2016 fifth-round pick Paul Perkins, who hasn't shown much aptitude to be an NFL starter, as was the case with predecessor Andre Williams, a fourth-round pick in 2014. .... Their linebackers remain a mix of overmatched special-teams players and inexperienced late-round selections or undrafted guys.
RE: 2016 must have given the hierarchy a false sense of what the team is Â
There are holes all over the roster still:
RB, multiple spots along the OL, WR, DT, LB, FS, CB depth, and QB long term.
I don't think rebuild is the term because there are a good number of good players already. I think, assuming the right people are making the roster shaping decisions and coaching the team, this team can compete next year in the division. As for Super Bowls? They appear to be 2-3 years away, especially if they are breaking in a new QB in a year or 2.
Of course, all those positions where holes exist aren't going to be filled. All teams have issues, it's just who can cover them up enough.
Our major issue is OL and a LB that has a motor, someone that just keeps bringing it.
The team can easily compete again in 2018....teams go from worst to first (or close) quite commonly in a league where there's not a huge difference between most teams.
The real key to it all, though, is coaching...in a league this close, your coach can provide a huge advantage.
stripping of a team's roster. But it does mean no longer making moves to fit Eli Manning's timeline. It means using a likely high pick on a QB (I don't see how they win more than 4 games) and focusing draft resources and available free agent money (within reason) on OL, DL, LB, and RB... areas that have been ignored for too long.
As far as the expectations for this team, no one could've foreseen the defense falling off to THIS level. Who would've expected that Brad Wing, whose punting was crucial in games like Detroit and Chicago, would suddenly be making kicks that were now crucial to losing games? Was it foolish to expect a infinitesimal improvement by the offensive line and skill position players to offset any drop-offs in the areas I already mentioned? I don't think so. And to top it all off, the team's best player will play a grand total of 3+ games.
that also plays a HUGE role in the issues we have and that is matching players/talent to scheme.
Both Drafting and signing FA's seem to have this issue. Drafting Clint Sintim when he pegged as a 3-4 backer at best adn asking him to play in a 4-3 with coverage responsibilities. David Wilson as a RB not known as a pass catcher or blocker, playing for a coach who won't play rookies easily and will not play them much in the backfield if they can't block! TE's who can't block and asking them to ummm, block!
We have offensive linemen with size but play a passive , run draw happy style.
Look at the Patriots.. They sign and draft guys to fit what they do.. They don't get guys with one set of skills and force them to do something completely opposite.
You have to know what you do, want to do and can do and get guys who fit that picture... We do not do that...
The biggest lesson from the Giants' fall from grace is simple: If you're a coach or an executive, be honest with yourself when you self-evaluate your team. If the metrics disagree about your team, as is the case with these Giants, you might want to re-evaluate whether you're actually as good as your record says you are. The most common mistake fans make in evaluating their teams before the season is to count on everything that went right a year ago to stay right while all the problems get fixed. Organizations make the same mistakes sometimes, too.
The cap number suggests though that Eli has one more year here. I don't trust this GM and coach to get it right though.
Why would you give the keys to this draft to someone who has proven incompetent . They should really see who they can trade shortly who would be worth both draft picks and cap space. Of course that would mean actually doing something smart. This team has become stupid. Probably your best piece to trade would be Eli. Maybe the team acquiring him would take some dead weight off our hands like , I dunno, JPP? Might as well see what we have in Webb. I do understand being cautious as you can’t properly evaluate him and don’t want to ruin him by playing him with the crap offense that would surround him .
I honestly don't think we'll see a TON of radical changes Â
Lets say we have a top 3 pick, and my gut tells me we will with OBJ and D. Harris likely out for the rest of the year.
You cut who doesn't fit the future and sign UFA's who can plug holes as best as you can.
Personally, I'd trade Eli if you could find a team desperate enough for a starting caliber QB and with the cap room to take on his contract. Eli can still play this game.
We'll know more come the bye week cause we'll be 0 - 7 and talk of the future will be the #1 topic for writers.
RE: I honestly don't think we'll see a TON of radical changes Â
Lets say we have a top 3 pick, and my gut tells me we will with OBJ and D. Harris likely out for the rest of the year.
You cut who doesn't fit the future and sign UFA's who can plug holes as best as you can.
Personally, I'd trade Eli if you could find a team desperate enough for a starting caliber QB and with the cap room to take on his contract. Eli can still play this game.
We'll know more come the bye week cause we'll be 0 - 7 and talk of the future will be the #1 topic for writers.
Eli has a No Trade Clause in his contract
RE: I honestly don't think we'll see a TON of radical changes Â
Lets say we have a top 3 pick, and my gut tells me we will with OBJ and D. Harris likely out for the rest of the year.
You cut who doesn't fit the future and sign UFA's who can plug holes as best as you can.
Personally, I'd trade Eli if you could find a team desperate enough for a starting caliber QB and with the cap room to take on his contract. Eli can still play this game.
We'll know more come the bye week cause we'll be 0 - 7 and talk of the future will be the #1 topic for writers.
I for one cannot wait to see Jerry Reese stammer and stutter his way through a painful presser while the media is (hopefully and rightfully) lighting his ass up.
RE: I honestly don't think we'll see a TON of radical changes Â
Lets say we have a top 3 pick, and my gut tells me we will with OBJ and D. Harris likely out for the rest of the year.
You cut who doesn't fit the future and sign UFA's who can plug holes as best as you can.
Personally, I'd trade Eli if you could find a team desperate enough for a starting caliber QB and with the cap room to take on his contract. Eli can still play this game.
We'll know more come the bye week cause we'll be 0 - 7 and talk of the future will be the #1 topic for writers.
How are you trading a guy with a NTC? If you can figure that out let us know please.
but I'd fire Reese and McAdoo heading into the bye, promote Spagnuolo to interim head coach, give the offense completely to Sullivan, and get all my ducks in a row to finding my new coach and GM and having a plan ready for the 1st of January, allowing as much time as possible to plan and prepare for our Top 5 pick.
but his conclusion is off, even though he is right that this is the Giants way:
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As much as Giants fans might be thirsty for blood at the moment, the Mara family simply doesn't run the organization in a reactionary way. Neither Reese nor McAdoo are directly on the hot seat, but if they can't make it back to the playoffs in 2018, they'll have spent a lot of money over the past several seasons without finding a successful young quarterback or winning a playoff game. That would be the time to make a move.
He just made the most excellent case for firing Reese:
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Giants general manager Jerry Reese simply didn't do a good enough job of drafting talent from 2008 to 2013.
Then he concludes that the Giants won't fire Reese because that would be "reactionary"?
2017 and this very article proves that 2016 was an illusion. The Giants since their their last SB in 2011 have been a bad team. And worst of all, Reese and co. have wasted Eli's prime years, an absolute crime.
The Giants have to go beyond cleaning house and getting rid of Reese and McAdoo. Tisch has to put his foot down and demand that Chris Mara be removed from his post as Senior VP of Player Evaluation because clearly his title is oxymoronic under reaction to his performance.
but I'd fire Reese and McAdoo heading into the bye, promote Spagnuolo to interim head coach, give the offense completely to Sullivan, and get all my ducks in a row to finding my new coach and GM and having a plan ready for the 1st of January, allowing as much time as possible to plan and prepare for our Top 5 pick.
I would do the same thing. Get the organization positioned to hit the ground running for the off-season. It will also signal to some of the underperforming players that you are on notice.
but I'd fire Reese and McAdoo heading into the bye, promote Spagnuolo to interim head coach, give the offense completely to Sullivan, and get all my ducks in a row to finding my new coach and GM and having a plan ready for the 1st of January, allowing as much time as possible to plan and prepare for our Top 5 pick.
I would do the same thing. Get the organization positioned to hit the ground running for the off-season. It will also signal to some of the underperforming players that you are on notice.
LOL...well that certainly would make watching the rest of the year interesting!!!!
This article reinforces the same arguments that many of us have been making since 2013 that the FO has performed miserably and the philosophies that have governed their decision-making and talent acquisition are flawed. We were drowned out by the usual chorus of "he organization knows more than you do." And that may be correct but it sure doesn't make them successful.
but I'd fire Reese and McAdoo heading into the bye, promote Spagnuolo to interim head coach, give the offense completely to Sullivan, and get all my ducks in a row to finding my new coach and GM and having a plan ready for the 1st of January, allowing as much time as possible to plan and prepare for our Top 5 pick.
I would do the same thing. Get the organization positioned to hit the ground running for the off-season. It will also signal to some of the underperforming players that you are on notice.
I would be fine for that as well, but this is part of the Giants' problem. They are not proactive or aggressive when it comes to things like this. They'll let McAdoo finish out the season "out of respect" and then IF they fire him, it'll be in the offseason.
This team is a mess.
RE: RE: sadly a very accurate portrayal. Reese should never have been allowed Â
The biggest issue is especially your first & 2nd Rd picks,
are suppose to be your core players moving forward after
their rookie contracts. Here, most often, they are gone, for
a variety of reasons. At DT, they just keep drafting replacements in the 2nd Rd, that is their MO at that position.
His 3rd round history has been abysmal.
The Chiefs starting RB is a rookie 3rd Rd. pick.
The Cowboys have a starting rookie corner as a 3rd Rd. pick.
Those are two examples I noticed yesterday, just saying.
RE: RE: sadly a very accurate portrayal. Reese should never have been allowed Â
This article reinforces the same arguments that many of us have been making since 2013 that the FO has performed miserably and the philosophies that have governed their decision-making and talent acquisition are flawed. We were drowned out by the usual chorus of "he organization knows more than you do." And that may be correct but it sure doesn't make them successful.
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Yeah, but somebody was trying to tell me about 'stability'
the other day, how's that working out?
As I said the other day, 'stability' around here is also
a synonym for stubbornness too.
They are resistant to change around here.
Lets say we have a top 3 pick, and my gut tells me we will with OBJ and D. Harris likely out for the rest of the year.
You cut who doesn't fit the future and sign UFA's who can plug holes as best as you can.
Personally, I'd trade Eli if you could find a team desperate enough for a starting caliber QB and with the cap room to take on his contract. Eli can still play this game.
We'll know more come the bye week cause we'll be 0 - 7 and talk of the future will be the #1 topic for writers.
How are you trading a guy with a NTC? If you can figure that out let us know please.
how much Reese stinks, than state at the end it is reactionary to fire him? Good read overall, and sadly accurate.
The Giants are at a very important time in the organization's history. Decisions here going forward will have major long term impacts, why would any sane owner allow Reese to make all the major decisions coming up when he has proven unequivocally he can not build a sustainable competitive roster.
It is more than overdue for a change at GM, the next GM should have a clear football philosophy about the vision he has for the football that will be played on the field. He should be able to select the coach to carry out this vision.
Both McAdoo and Reese should be terminated at seasons end.
This is the fundamental problem with this team. Lack of ability to identify talent. Reese and staff get so caught up in "upside", they overlook actual college production. Every expert questioned Flowers and his ability, but the Giants believed they could "coach him up". On the thread for the Tampa preview article I made the same point Barnwell makes about the foundation of any team being 3 year players and the fact the Giants have very few from their own drafts. Forget everything else. Fix that problem and the Giants will be back on the track to being a consistently competitive team.
Please do not try to "make a run" again next year. It would be a huge mistake.
Team can address its own issues and still be solid next year
Get 2 new OL and resign Pugh... and the team is already good enough to compete with anyone really. New leadership as well — and none of that is jeoparsizing rebuilding—-
I believe this year
will be 6 out of 8 years of not making the playoffs.
That also includes 4 years in a row!
Still he keeps his job, I have said it before, he should
have left the same time as Coughlin, a clean slate
so to speak. I don't want to hear the bullcrap,
about getting to pick your own coach.
With this organization, Mara has a
hell of a lot more to do with picking the HC then a
Jerry Reese. Also, they thought they were better than they
were after winning the SB the last time, and kept some players around. After last year, he thought this O Line would improve, what a lack of knowledge of evaluating your OWN talent on the team, let alone possible free agents.
He brings back John Friggin Jerry, like really?
What's that old saying, 'those who don't learn from their mistakes, are doomed to repeat them'...Classic case here!
Excluding talking about the draft (which I felt was obvious), not much different than Barnwell's post.
He said not to fire Reese, I obviously don't concur.
So for those who get a chubber calling me gramps,
I guess gramps knows what he is talking about...
Please do not try to "make a run" again next year. It would be a huge mistake.
Fortunately, the fixes the Giants desperately need are the type that are not necessarily a one year fix. Whoever is the QB of the future is going to need a stable OL and a productive RB. How many years now have we lacked a LB who can cover a TE?
Please do not try to "make a run" again next year. It would be a huge mistake.
Team can address its own issues and still be solid next year
Get 2 new OL and resign Pugh... and the team is already good enough to compete with anyone really. New leadership as well — and none of that is jeoparsizing rebuilding—-
It feels like this is what we've been trying to do for about 5 years now - I'm just not sure it's the right solution.
I'm not necessarily advocating stripping down the entire roster, I think there are pieces here we should hang onto, but I think they need to be realistic and change their approach a bit.
I just don't want to see them try another half-assed "retooling" and then sell us on another team that is supposed to make a Super Bowl run.
Something just feels rotten about this team and I have a feeling some bigger changes are going to be needed to get this thing back on the right track.
The Giants are 2 years removed from spending $200 million on one side of the ball, with only two of those players (Snacks and Jenkins) even being close to worth the contracts.
forget there are multiple examples year over year of teams who have a shit year for many reasons (injuries, poor play, coaching) and bounce back to the playoffs the next, with just a few fixes. Cowboys, Panthers did this recently.
is that doing so successfully requires a good front office. The Giants haven't been good at evaluating or acquiring talent for a while now. You can give them the #1 overall pick, but it won't matter if they don't figure out how to draft good players again.
This article is a long scathing indictment of Reese’s mistakes. Then, after presenting all of Reese’s miscues Barnwell writes that Reese and McAdoo should be given another shot next year. The Giants are the worst team in the NFL after 5 games. Why in the world would any plans for the Giants future include Jerry Reese?
Also, McAdoo is barely mentioned in the article. But McAdoo’s cluelessness as both an O-co and HC are as much an indictment of Reese’s failure as the poor drafts and poor FA signings.
Enough is enough. Reese was allowed to fire Coughlin and bring in his own HC. The drafts haven’t been good. That’s on Reese. The coach Reese brought in to replace TC is a supposed offensive coach who delivered last years historically pathetic offense and is now on course to deliver an even worse offense this year. Reese needs to be fired.
RE: RE: RE: I honestly don't think we'll see a TON of radical changes Â
Lets say we have a top 3 pick, and my gut tells me we will with OBJ and D. Harris likely out for the rest of the year.
You cut who doesn't fit the future and sign UFA's who can plug holes as best as you can.
Personally, I'd trade Eli if you could find a team desperate enough for a starting caliber QB and with the cap room to take on his contract. Eli can still play this game.
We'll know more come the bye week cause we'll be 0 - 7 and talk of the future will be the #1 topic for writers.
How are you trading a guy with a NTC? If you can figure that out let us know please.
Get him to waive it. Why would Eli want to stay?
What benefit does it serve Eli to waive the NTC? His salary for next year is $10.5 MM and $11.5 MM the following year. He can just stand firm and the roster bonus will force the Giants decison. After the 3rd day of the league year, the Giants will pay $5 MM roster bonus. If Eli is released, he gets to choose where he goes and can sign a new contract. The Giants can designate him as a June 1st cut and spread out the cap hit over 2 years. But to orchestrate a trade, a team must be willing to give up a pick and have Eli agree to waive the NTC while accepting a salary that is below market rate for a 2x SB MVP all before the 3rd day of the league year.
I'd start splitting snaps in practice this week to get Webb ready to play by the bye. After the bye I'd start him and let Eli mentor and rest. It wouldn't work with some QBs but Eli is the kind of guy who you could do that with....
With that, I'd also start going to a "we will run the ball" philosophy. We're going to lose anyway - it doesn't really matter by how much and running the ball will let us evaluate our backs to see if any of them can create plays and run time off the clock so the games are shorter.
You have to decide what your OL will look like next year and to me that means putting Flowers wherever you think he belongs long term. And not that much else other than deciding who is most likely to deserve be on the roster next year.
Outside that, nothing to do but sit back, lose, and plan for the draft. If all works out well we have a top 5 pick which we can then - best case scenario - parlay into 2 #1s and maybe a 3 if it looks like Webb can be the man or we have to take a QB and that draft strategy will depend.
that also plays a HUGE role in the issues we have and that is matching players/talent to scheme.
Both Drafting and signing FA's seem to have this issue. Drafting Clint Sintim when he pegged as a 3-4 backer at best adn asking him to play in a 4-3 with coverage responsibilities. David Wilson as a RB not known as a pass catcher or blocker, playing for a coach who won't play rookies easily and will not play them much in the backfield if they can't block! TE's who can't block and asking them to ummm, block!
We have offensive linemen with size but play a passive , run draw happy style.
Look at the Patriots.. They sign and draft guys to fit what they do.. They don't get guys with one set of skills and force them to do something completely opposite.
You have to know what you do, want to do and can do and get guys who fit that picture... We do not do that...
Moving Flowers to G or RT and finding 4 new starters on the o-line.
Finding a replacement for Brandon Marshall
Finding another running back
Finding at least 2 new LBers
All this with 2 DE's eating up 20% of the cap and not producing on the field.
It would be a tall order to make a run in 2018.
He does bring up bringing back Victor Cruz, which is interesting. Not that he'll help in any way, but it would be fun to cheer for him again.
Drafting disaster. As he put it.
Unfortunately, knowing the Giants, this strategy makes too much sense. The timing on this really sucks.
Hopefully we get an update on Marshall/Shepp today.
Really good article....basically the Giants have been the same team since 2015. A team that plays on the ledge....lots of close games where you have to make plays to win.
We really haven't blown out a team since....when???
RB, multiple spots along the OL, WR, DT, LB, FS, CB depth, and QB long term.
I don't think rebuild is the term because there are a good number of good players already. I think, assuming the right people are making the roster shaping decisions and coaching the team, this team can compete next year in the division. As for Super Bowls? They appear to be 2-3 years away, especially if they are breaking in a new QB in a year or 2.
Unfortunately, knowing the Giants, this strategy makes too much sense. The timing on this really sucks.
Absolutely...you can't fire Reese without firing McAdoo because no quality GM is going to take the job with a coach tied to their hip from the outset by ownership (see John Idzik/Rex Ryan, circa 2013)
2 offensive linemen... a linebacker that can cover and another corner.
The talent is not bad on the roster but the weaknesses are bad and the coaching staff is overmatched, and gm should go as this team needs fresh eyes to evaluate
Rebuild the lines first
No rebuild in 2018, it does not compute.
Boom. Then there's the follow-up:
RB, multiple spots along the OL, WR, DT, LB, FS, CB depth, and QB long term.
I don't think rebuild is the term because there are a good number of good players already. I think, assuming the right people are making the roster shaping decisions and coaching the team, this team can compete next year in the division. As for Super Bowls? They appear to be 2-3 years away, especially if they are breaking in a new QB in a year or 2.
Of course, all those positions where holes exist aren't going to be filled. All teams have issues, it's just who can cover them up enough.
Our major issue is OL and a LB that has a motor, someone that just keeps bringing it.
The team can easily compete again in 2018....teams go from worst to first (or close) quite commonly in a league where there's not a huge difference between most teams.
The real key to it all, though, is coaching...in a league this close, your coach can provide a huge advantage.
As far as the expectations for this team, no one could've foreseen the defense falling off to THIS level. Who would've expected that Brad Wing, whose punting was crucial in games like Detroit and Chicago, would suddenly be making kicks that were now crucial to losing games? Was it foolish to expect a infinitesimal improvement by the offensive line and skill position players to offset any drop-offs in the areas I already mentioned? I don't think so. And to top it all off, the team's best player will play a grand total of 3+ games.
Both Drafting and signing FA's seem to have this issue. Drafting Clint Sintim when he pegged as a 3-4 backer at best adn asking him to play in a 4-3 with coverage responsibilities. David Wilson as a RB not known as a pass catcher or blocker, playing for a coach who won't play rookies easily and will not play them much in the backfield if they can't block! TE's who can't block and asking them to ummm, block!
We have offensive linemen with size but play a passive , run draw happy style.
Look at the Patriots.. They sign and draft guys to fit what they do.. They don't get guys with one set of skills and force them to do something completely opposite.
You have to know what you do, want to do and can do and get guys who fit that picture... We do not do that...
The cap number suggests though that Eli has one more year here. I don't trust this GM and coach to get it right though.
the end. the table they show for home-grown players on playoff teams last year is as damning as it gets.
You cut who doesn't fit the future and sign UFA's who can plug holes as best as you can.
Personally, I'd trade Eli if you could find a team desperate enough for a starting caliber QB and with the cap room to take on his contract. Eli can still play this game.
We'll know more come the bye week cause we'll be 0 - 7 and talk of the future will be the #1 topic for writers.
You cut who doesn't fit the future and sign UFA's who can plug holes as best as you can.
Personally, I'd trade Eli if you could find a team desperate enough for a starting caliber QB and with the cap room to take on his contract. Eli can still play this game.
We'll know more come the bye week cause we'll be 0 - 7 and talk of the future will be the #1 topic for writers.
Eli has a No Trade Clause in his contract
You cut who doesn't fit the future and sign UFA's who can plug holes as best as you can.
Personally, I'd trade Eli if you could find a team desperate enough for a starting caliber QB and with the cap room to take on his contract. Eli can still play this game.
We'll know more come the bye week cause we'll be 0 - 7 and talk of the future will be the #1 topic for writers.
I for one cannot wait to see Jerry Reese stammer and stutter his way through a painful presser while the media is (hopefully and rightfully) lighting his ass up.
You cut who doesn't fit the future and sign UFA's who can plug holes as best as you can.
Personally, I'd trade Eli if you could find a team desperate enough for a starting caliber QB and with the cap room to take on his contract. Eli can still play this game.
We'll know more come the bye week cause we'll be 0 - 7 and talk of the future will be the #1 topic for writers.
How are you trading a guy with a NTC? If you can figure that out let us know please.
He just made the most excellent case for firing Reese:
Then he concludes that the Giants won't fire Reese because that would be "reactionary"?
2017 and this very article proves that 2016 was an illusion. The Giants since their their last SB in 2011 have been a bad team. And worst of all, Reese and co. have wasted Eli's prime years, an absolute crime.
The Giants have to go beyond cleaning house and getting rid of Reese and McAdoo. Tisch has to put his foot down and demand that Chris Mara be removed from his post as Senior VP of Player Evaluation because clearly his title is oxymoronic under reaction to his performance.
I would do the same thing. Get the organization positioned to hit the ground running for the off-season. It will also signal to some of the underperforming players that you are on notice.
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but I'd fire Reese and McAdoo heading into the bye, promote Spagnuolo to interim head coach, give the offense completely to Sullivan, and get all my ducks in a row to finding my new coach and GM and having a plan ready for the 1st of January, allowing as much time as possible to plan and prepare for our Top 5 pick.
I would do the same thing. Get the organization positioned to hit the ground running for the off-season. It will also signal to some of the underperforming players that you are on notice.
LOL...well that certainly would make watching the rest of the year interesting!!!!
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but I'd fire Reese and McAdoo heading into the bye, promote Spagnuolo to interim head coach, give the offense completely to Sullivan, and get all my ducks in a row to finding my new coach and GM and having a plan ready for the 1st of January, allowing as much time as possible to plan and prepare for our Top 5 pick.
I would do the same thing. Get the organization positioned to hit the ground running for the off-season. It will also signal to some of the underperforming players that you are on notice.
I would be fine for that as well, but this is part of the Giants' problem. They are not proactive or aggressive when it comes to things like this. They'll let McAdoo finish out the season "out of respect" and then IF they fire him, it'll be in the offseason.
This team is a mess.
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to stay on.
Drafting disaster. As he put it.
The biggest issue is especially your first & 2nd Rd picks,
are suppose to be your core players moving forward after
their rookie contracts. Here, most often, they are gone, for
a variety of reasons. At DT, they just keep drafting replacements in the 2nd Rd, that is their MO at that position.
His 3rd round history has been abysmal.
The Chiefs starting RB is a rookie 3rd Rd. pick.
The Cowboys have a starting rookie corner as a 3rd Rd. pick.
Those are two examples I noticed yesterday, just saying.
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to stay on.
Drafting disaster. As he put it.
Also a FA signing disaster for OL and LBs.
Yeah, but somebody was trying to tell me about 'stability'
the other day, how's that working out?
As I said the other day, 'stability' around here is also
a synonym for stubbornness too.
They are resistant to change around here.
...very impressive, well-researched article!
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Lets say we have a top 3 pick, and my gut tells me we will with OBJ and D. Harris likely out for the rest of the year.
You cut who doesn't fit the future and sign UFA's who can plug holes as best as you can.
Personally, I'd trade Eli if you could find a team desperate enough for a starting caliber QB and with the cap room to take on his contract. Eli can still play this game.
We'll know more come the bye week cause we'll be 0 - 7 and talk of the future will be the #1 topic for writers.
How are you trading a guy with a NTC? If you can figure that out let us know please.
Get him to waive it. Why would Eli want to stay?
The Giants are at a very important time in the organization's history. Decisions here going forward will have major long term impacts, why would any sane owner allow Reese to make all the major decisions coming up when he has proven unequivocally he can not build a sustainable competitive roster.
It is more than overdue for a change at GM, the next GM should have a clear football philosophy about the vision he has for the football that will be played on the field. He should be able to select the coach to carry out this vision.
Both McAdoo and Reese should be terminated at seasons end.
Team can address its own issues and still be solid next year
Get 2 new OL and resign Pugh... and the team is already good enough to compete with anyone really. New leadership as well — and none of that is jeoparsizing rebuilding—-
will be 6 out of 8 years of not making the playoffs.
That also includes 4 years in a row!
Still he keeps his job, I have said it before, he should
have left the same time as Coughlin, a clean slate
so to speak. I don't want to hear the bullcrap,
about getting to pick your own coach.
With this organization, Mara has a
hell of a lot more to do with picking the HC then a
Jerry Reese. Also, they thought they were better than they
were after winning the SB the last time, and kept some players around. After last year, he thought this O Line would improve, what a lack of knowledge of evaluating your OWN talent on the team, let alone possible free agents.
He brings back John Friggin Jerry, like really?
What's that old saying, 'those who don't learn from their mistakes, are doomed to repeat them'...Classic case here!
Excluding talking about the draft (which I felt was obvious), not much different than Barnwell's post.
He said not to fire Reese, I obviously don't concur.
So for those who get a chubber calling me gramps,
I guess gramps knows what he is talking about...
Fortunately, the fixes the Giants desperately need are the type that are not necessarily a one year fix. Whoever is the QB of the future is going to need a stable OL and a productive RB. How many years now have we lacked a LB who can cover a TE?
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Please do not try to "make a run" again next year. It would be a huge mistake.
Team can address its own issues and still be solid next year
Get 2 new OL and resign Pugh... and the team is already good enough to compete with anyone really. New leadership as well — and none of that is jeoparsizing rebuilding—-
It feels like this is what we've been trying to do for about 5 years now - I'm just not sure it's the right solution.
I'm not necessarily advocating stripping down the entire roster, I think there are pieces here we should hang onto, but I think they need to be realistic and change their approach a bit.
I just don't want to see them try another half-assed "retooling" and then sell us on another team that is supposed to make a Super Bowl run.
Something just feels rotten about this team and I have a feeling some bigger changes are going to be needed to get this thing back on the right track.
Also, McAdoo is barely mentioned in the article. But McAdoo’s cluelessness as both an O-co and HC are as much an indictment of Reese’s failure as the poor drafts and poor FA signings.
Enough is enough. Reese was allowed to fire Coughlin and bring in his own HC. The drafts haven’t been good. That’s on Reese. The coach Reese brought in to replace TC is a supposed offensive coach who delivered last years historically pathetic offense and is now on course to deliver an even worse offense this year. Reese needs to be fired.
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Lets say we have a top 3 pick, and my gut tells me we will with OBJ and D. Harris likely out for the rest of the year.
You cut who doesn't fit the future and sign UFA's who can plug holes as best as you can.
Personally, I'd trade Eli if you could find a team desperate enough for a starting caliber QB and with the cap room to take on his contract. Eli can still play this game.
We'll know more come the bye week cause we'll be 0 - 7 and talk of the future will be the #1 topic for writers.
How are you trading a guy with a NTC? If you can figure that out let us know please.
Get him to waive it. Why would Eli want to stay?
What benefit does it serve Eli to waive the NTC? His salary for next year is $10.5 MM and $11.5 MM the following year. He can just stand firm and the roster bonus will force the Giants decison. After the 3rd day of the league year, the Giants will pay $5 MM roster bonus. If Eli is released, he gets to choose where he goes and can sign a new contract. The Giants can designate him as a June 1st cut and spread out the cap hit over 2 years. But to orchestrate a trade, a team must be willing to give up a pick and have Eli agree to waive the NTC while accepting a salary that is below market rate for a 2x SB MVP all before the 3rd day of the league year.
With that, I'd also start going to a "we will run the ball" philosophy. We're going to lose anyway - it doesn't really matter by how much and running the ball will let us evaluate our backs to see if any of them can create plays and run time off the clock so the games are shorter.
You have to decide what your OL will look like next year and to me that means putting Flowers wherever you think he belongs long term. And not that much else other than deciding who is most likely to deserve be on the roster next year.
Outside that, nothing to do but sit back, lose, and plan for the draft. If all works out well we have a top 5 pick which we can then - best case scenario - parlay into 2 #1s and maybe a 3 if it looks like Webb can be the man or we have to take a QB and that draft strategy will depend.
And he won't even have OBJ to benefit from.
Eli is the starter, he plays. You don't destroy a young player's confidence by setting him up to fail.
And he won't even have OBJ to benefit from.
Eli is the starter, he plays. You don't destroy a young player's confidence by setting him up to fail.
Or a legitimate running game.
Both Drafting and signing FA's seem to have this issue. Drafting Clint Sintim when he pegged as a 3-4 backer at best adn asking him to play in a 4-3 with coverage responsibilities. David Wilson as a RB not known as a pass catcher or blocker, playing for a coach who won't play rookies easily and will not play them much in the backfield if they can't block! TE's who can't block and asking them to ummm, block!
We have offensive linemen with size but play a passive , run draw happy style.
Look at the Patriots.. They sign and draft guys to fit what they do.. They don't get guys with one set of skills and force them to do something completely opposite.
You have to know what you do, want to do and can do and get guys who fit that picture... We do not do that...
great post.