I view Reese as a lame duck, and I think I've seen enough from McAdoo to know he's not the guy. I somewhat feel that McAdoo was dealt a bad hand with our offensive line, and in other years I'd give him another year to find out what I had, but our current circumstance of positioning ourselves for a Top 5 pick (possibly even #1 overall pick) changes things. McAdoo is an offensive coach, and I've now seen enough of his offense to know it's not what I want going forward.
I'd fire Reese and McAdoo heading into the bye, promote Spagnuolo to interim head coach, give the offense completely to Sullivan, and get all my ducks in a row to finding my new coach and GM and having a plan ready for the 1st of January, at which time I'd let the rest of the staff go, allowing as much time as possible to plan and prepare for our Top 5 pick.
I'd invest heavily into the Offensive line during Free Agency and draft. I'd draft a Quarterback with the Top pick and let him sit behind Eli until Eli finishes out his contract or retires, which would be ideal for three reasons. One, it allows the offensive line to be fixed. Two, it allows the new Quarterback a chance to be mentored by one of the most professional quarterbacks in the league, and finally, if we have a new coach it gives the rookie two years to learn the new offense. Remember, Rogers sat during McCarthy's first three years, behind Favre.
I honestly think the right Head Coach/GM combo could turn this around in a single offseason, seen it happen before, and we could groom the future QB of the franchise the right way.
I am hoping QB lines up with our 1st pick next April, early indicators are no franchise DE in the mix, possibly no LT either.
They should let him play before a decision about a high pick on a QB is made. They should spend several weeks getting him ready with more reps in practice and then give him several games to play.
Although I would love to see the Giants shake it up........
Certainly someone is going to pay for this in the end.......if it's just BM OR Reese (in which case BM is gone too).
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I am hoping QB lines up with our 1st pick next April, early indicators are no franchise DE in the mix, possibly no LT either.
It is unprecedented, but if we head into the bye 0-7, that's also unprecedented.
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Claiming a total rebuild is needed is off base and not even really feasible given their obligations. I do think the Giants can turn this around faster than a complete rehauling.
I am hoping QB lines up with our 1st pick next April, early indicators are no franchise DE in the mix, possibly no LT either.
"It would be unlike Mara to fire the GM, let alone GM and HC, and very unlikely to occur during the season."
That is part of the problem. Too much leniency.
McAdoo has totally lost me and I've been on Reese's side for a long time but I think it's just time for a new regime. McAdoo seems like he's in way over his head here and the stubbornness doesn't help matters.
It feels like we've just been re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic for a very long time, so to speak. We did have a good year last year, but it was pretty clearly an outlier.
The problem with that is, who picked Webb, and do you trust their evaluation? In this scenario, you'd be firing the two guys that wanted him.
And let's face it, Reese a. has not had a good third round draft pick in nearly a decade, and b. failed miserably at his last "can't believe he lasted until the 4th round QB because even though he's raw he's got tons of potential" pick Ryan Nassib.
The season is over. Let's see what we have with the QB. If he looks good why wouldn't he have an impact on the decisions on team building in the off season?
Get him ready with weeks of reps and then let him play 4-5 games.
McAdoo has totally lost me and I've been on Reese's side for a long time but I think it's just time for a new regime. McAdoo seems like he's in way over his head here and the stubbornness doesn't help matters.
It feels like we've just been re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic for a very long time, so to speak. We did have a good year last year, but it was pretty clearly an outlier.
+1. I don't think anything happens in-season though, that's not the Giants style.
I also don't think the presence of Webb has any effect on their draft pick. If Webb turns out to be something more than a backup, they'll be able to prove it out in preseason and they'll get something back for him.
You don't saddle the next coach/gm with anything like that. As others said, if he turns out to be something, you can always trade him for later.
You don't pass up the opportunity to draft a QB with the Top Pick over some 3rd round raw project with potential.
They should let him play before a decision about a high pick on a QB is made. They should spend several weeks getting him ready with more reps in practice and then give him several games to play.
How well do you think they can evaluate a rookie QB with practice squad WRs, no running game, and no time to throw? I think evaluating Webb can't be a priority at all. Most likely all you would do is throw him to the lions and crush his confidence.
Nonetheless, they should still be able to get an LT and an OG in the second and third.
It's a no brained for me. It would be foolish not to play him and get some NFL film on the player.
It's a no brained for me. It would be foolish not to play him and get some NFL film on the player.
Who's doing the evaluating? Two guys that would be fired? Would you trust their evaluation anyways?
I feel like Cowher is the right move because a. he wants the Giants, but b. did not want to succeed Coughlin. Now is the time.
Upside? Opportunity to evaluate a young QB.
That's a no brainer.
If he's good enough, he may impact the decisions on team building.
Another factor is everybody is overrrating the college QBs in LA. There may not be a good enough QB prospect with a very high pick.
The streak has nothing to do with it. They can still start Eli and give Webb meaningful reps.
The issue is getting a proper evaluation with no team around him, and worse, ruining his career before it even starts by letting him take that level of beating ie: David Carr.
There is no reason not to play him.
Get him ready with a lot of practice reps. Put him out there with Gallman, Shepard, Engram, Marshall, and anybody else we have at the end of the year. It would give NYG an excellent opportunity to evaluate the player.
The Giants fired Fassel with one game left in the season. One.
Fuck McAdoo.
Frankly, I think we're devoting too much time to talking about him.
We could do that or get him ready to play and evaluate what we have while playing on an NFL field.
We could do that or get him ready to play and evaluate what we have while playing on an NFL field.
Or we could just let the next coach/GM evaluate him when they get here.
2. I don't know how Webb looks in practice, but he didn't put anything on his college tape that would prevent me from drafting another QB.
3. I know the trend is to go younger at head coach, but if McAdoo is indeed fired it wouldn't surprise me to see John Fox as the next head coach (assuming he's fired from Chicago of course). After being burned by going young, I could see Mara leaning towards an experienced and trusted voice to guide the franchise through a transitional period.
4. If Reese is fired a name I would want Mara to look at is Scott Pioli, currently the assistant GM in Atlanta. He was fired as GM in Kansas City after being there from 2009-2012, but in that short time he drafted well and the Chiefs are enjoying some of that fruit now: Eric Berry, Justin Houston, Dontari Poe, Rodney Hudson, Dexter McCluster, and Allen Bailey were all drafted on his watch.
If he plays he could be relevant.
So let him play.
I am hoping QB lines up with our 1st pick next April, early indicators are no franchise DE in the mix, possibly no LT either.
Teams do this all the time and move on. I don't think anyone would say "oh no, what a horrible team to work for" if you fired Reese today.
I'm talking about rebuilding an entire franchise and a couple of you are dialed in with laser like focus on a third round pick QB project dictating some of those MAJOR changes.
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I guess we can move on.
Do you pass on taking a QB with the number 1 pick based on that? If the answer is no, why is it so pertinent that you have this evaluation right now?
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If you play him the next GM and coach would have NFL film to evaluate him. Thats the poiint.
I'm talking about rebuilding an entire franchise and a couple of you are dialed in with laser like focus on a third round pick QB project dictating some of those MAJOR changes.
If you have zero interest in evaluating a guy that they had a high grade on before using a top 5 pick on a qb that is by no means a sure thing... then please don’t be the guy rebuilding... evaluating the talent on the roster is necessary- we know what Eli is - let’s get some tape on the kid
Britt in VA: Thank you, sir.
John Mara: [firm tone] Overruled.
Just a suggestion to evaluate the young QB in a lost season.
That it may help the team make decisions while doing NOTHING to hurt the team with these decisions.