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JPP looks terrible

BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/9/2017 11:18 am
I didn't watch solely him on defense yesterday, but when I did he gave up setting the edge on running plays almost every time I did, and Melvin Gordon took advantage of it.
Ummmmm  
superspynyg : 10/9/2017 11:35 am : link
The entire defense looks terrible.
Vs Bucs  
KWALL2 : 10/9/2017 11:40 am : link
It may have been his worst game in the NFL.

Better yesterday but still not good enough. He's giving up on his pass rush too often. Had more trouble va the run they usual.

First 2 games he was solid.

I didn't see the PHI game.

We still have much bigger problems. I expect him to play better a dbea core guy for a few more seasons.
He's been awful  
JerseyCityJoe : 10/9/2017 12:03 pm : link
Spends more time standing at the line jumping up in the air than most cheerleaders do.
Lined up in NZ twice yesterday?  
TJ : 10/9/2017 12:25 pm : link
Is that just something that happens to even a high quality vet once in a while? Or is it a symptom of general unease/lack of focus for him?
TJ  
KWALL2 : 10/9/2017 12:30 pm : link
He's been doing that all year
Just checked the schedule this year...we don't play Cleveland this  
Doomster : 10/9/2017 12:42 pm : link
season.....who will he pad his stats against this year?

To think he has made all this money for just one season.....

If you hit him first, you stop him dead in his tracks...
I don't know if anyone else picked up on this  
NoGainDayne : 10/9/2017 1:03 pm : link
but I swear after the first NZ infraction penalty the very next play he lined up there again.
For the Money  
Painless62 : 10/9/2017 1:15 pm : link
Players who are getting paid what he is should be the top 5 in the league at their position. He has never been consistent except by playing worse against the better competition. This has been obvious since his second year in the league . The fact that we have been debating how good he is for years proves he is not top notch. Think back to all the great Giant defenders like Strahan. I never remembering any debate at all on him being excellent.
The JPP bashing has to stop  
allstarjim : 10/9/2017 1:17 pm : link
He's right up there in the league leaders for his position in tackles. He's not getting home, it doesn't mean the effort isn't there. JPP is part of the solution...not the problem. There are a lot of reasons why the Giants are winless. Damon Harrison hasn't been nearly as dominant as he was last year and yet nobody is crapping on him daily.

It's the Offensive Line, lack of running game, poor play-calling, poor QB play especially early this season, and on the defensive side, it's been bad plays given up by mostly Eli Apple at the worst possible times and poor play from the FS position...but the defense is last on the list in terms of responsibility for 0-5.
Please take credit  
XBRONX : 10/9/2017 1:18 pm : link
posters who were against signing Mr Invisible
Onserving  
Painless62 : 10/9/2017 1:43 pm : link
If you are correct in how good he is then clearly he would have trade value. Unlikely you would find someone to take him with his contract. I spent a good deal of the time observing him. He was constantly being man handled and irrelevant. The pass rush and run defense stink for a reason. PFF is far from perfect, but the numbers suggest the tackles are fine. The DEís not so much.
Snacks is probably the only defender this year that one can claim  
Devon : 10/9/2017 1:48 pm : link
is playing up to his standard. Well, along with Jenkins in coverage.

JPP isn't, but it sounds like he's banged up again. There's a lot of damage on his body at this point and he may not be able to play through it as well as he did previously.
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christian : 10/9/2017 1:56 pm : link
Weren't there whispers he was hurt last week? Maybe he's actually injured and playing throughout?
I think he may've hurt his hand  
sinister_bee98 : 10/9/2017 2:09 pm : link
in the Jets preseason game.
RE: The JPP bashing has to stop  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/9/2017 2:18 pm : link
In comment 13639170 allstarjim said:
Quote:
He's right up there in the league leaders for his position in tackles. He's not getting home, it doesn't mean the effort isn't there. JPP is part of the solution...not the problem. There are a lot of reasons why the Giants are winless. Damon Harrison hasn't been nearly as dominant as he was last year and yet nobody is crapping on him daily.

It's the Offensive Line, lack of running game, poor play-calling, poor QB play especially early this season, and on the defensive side, it's been bad plays given up by mostly Eli Apple at the worst possible times and poor play from the FS position...but the defense is last on the list in terms of responsibility for 0-5.


I aggree he's not getting home on sacks, but his run defense was not so hot. Like I said I watch numerous plays yesterday, where he just took himself out of the play, and didn't set the edge, and Gordon just took advantage of that. Either he was freelancing or he made a stunt inside, but there was no one there to fill in behind him, and it cost us.
RE: The JPP bashing has to stop  
Dinger : 10/9/2017 2:25 pm : link
In comment 13639170 allstarjim said:
Quote:
He's right up there in the league leaders for his position in tackles. He's not getting home, it doesn't mean the effort isn't there. JPP is part of the solution...not the problem. There are a lot of reasons why the Giants are winless. Damon Harrison hasn't been nearly as dominant as he was last year and yet nobody is crapping on him daily.

It's the Offensive Line, lack of running game, poor play-calling, poor QB play especially early this season, and on the defensive side, it's been bad plays given up by mostly Eli Apple at the worst possible times and poor play from the FS position...but the defense is last on the list in terms of responsibility for 0-5.


Not sure you have that right. They haven't been ableto stop ANY team let alone and 0-4 team. Even when we have been in the lead they can't make a stop. They are the $250 million machine! Make a friggin stop. JPP only plays when its a contract year. The injury he supposedly has now will get 'serious' in the coming weeks and he'll take the rest of the year off.
He played well the first couple games  
hitdog42 : 10/9/2017 2:30 pm : link
Awful bs vs the bucs- ok yesterday but not elite and that is what heís paid to do-
Heís likely dinged up but Iím not letting him get away with that.

I find we basically paid top dollar for 2 defensive ends and then ask them to play a game more suitable to an average player like Kerry Wynn... we donít let them let lose... they are moving around too muchó they are watching the qbs eyes instead of getting into the pocket- and they are dropping into coverage.
Sometimes itís best to just let your players play... we have bromley dropping in fcking coverage - just let the guys play and be aggressive themselves- We paid the players a lot of money and spags is scheming like he has to outthink the opponent when we have the horses to outplay it
Two years in a row  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/9/2017 2:35 pm : link
that he and Vernon are at or near the top of the NFL in snap count percentage. And given how little our offense spends on the field, it compounds the wear and tear.

McAdoo and Spags have to do a better job of giving JPP and Vernon breathers to keep them fresh and rested.

The last few games have been in gross humidity, too.
Ahhhh  
Howyadoin : 10/9/2017 2:47 pm : link
Shaddup!!
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