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Core Players For the Future

Bernie : 10/9/2017 12:04 pm
Ok, lots of threads and opinions about making a 2018 run or it being time for a complete rebuild. Either way, decisions need to be made about which players are the core of the team for the long term. Some of the players listed are because they are young, cheap and have shown some ability and others because, from a cap perspective, are too expensive to release immediately. Here is my list:

Offense
Eli (the most difficult decision facing the franchise - when to cut ties)
Webb

Gallman
Perkins

OBJ
Shepard

Engram
Ellison

Richburg
Pugh

Defense
JPP
Vernon
Harrison
Tomlinson

Goodson

Apple
Jenkins
Collins
Thompson
I don't really think ELi is that tough a decision.  
an_idol_mind : 10/9/2017 12:10 pm : link
His contract pretty much dictates that he needs to stay on for next year. By then, the Giants should have his future replacement on the roster.
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CoughlinHandsonHips : 10/9/2017 12:42 pm : link
The Giants will have 30 million in cap space to play with. Here are the FAs of consequence:

Pugh
Richburg
Casillas
Robinson
Vereen
Kennard

So essentially there's 5 spots you need to fill with a new body, resign, or hope a young guy steps up

On top of that, IMO these positions need an upgrade:

LT, RG, RT, WR2, FS

Thats 11 positions that will need to be addressed with either FA dollars or draft picks. There's even more questions on top of that. Is 2018 Manning a superbowl caliber player? What to do about under performing, overpaid DEs? Will Odell return to form?





Perkins  
XBRONX : 10/9/2017 1:14 pm : link
a core player? He sucks
We need  
ryanmkeane : 10/9/2017 1:41 pm : link
2-3 OL, 2 LB, a free safety, a rushing DE, and another corner.
Can't call Pugh/Richburg  
gmenatlarge : 10/9/2017 1:45 pm : link
Core players, Pugh is only slightly above average so I would not break the bank for him. Richburg has regressed since his rookie year and is JAG, would only sign if he' cheap. Most of those defenders you're stuck with including the extremely overpaid JPP and Vernon.
Pugh is the only player thats a FA I retain. I think Jones is a better  
BLUATHRT : 10/9/2017 1:54 pm : link
option than Richburg at this point, especially for what Richburg will want.
RE: Pugh is the only player thats a FA I retain. I think Jones is a better  
SGMen : 10/9/2017 1:59 pm : link
In comment 13639239 BLUATHRT said:
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option than Richburg at this point, especially for what Richburg will want.
Pugh's versatility makes him valuable to the Giants.

There are a lot of potential cuts and maybe even a contract or two to re-work. We'll have plenty of money to retain Pugh and sign UFA's and our draft picks.

I honestly believe with some tweeks we can be competitive in 2018.
Time to move on from Pugh and Richburg, mediocre OL are part of the  
No Where Man : 10/9/2017 2:04 pm : link
problem, not the solution. In 2018, play Flowers and Fluker at G, at least they have size...
Core Players  
Keaton028 : 10/9/2017 2:07 pm : link
Core players to me mean guys you build the future around. In this sense, you can't really include Manning. You want to begin building the team for the guy who will take over. Core players may also mean guys who the team must retain, who are not expendable. In this sense, it really shortens the list:

I got: OBJ, Shepard, Engram, Pugh (maybe), Harrison, Vernon, Jenkins, Apple (maybe), Collins

These are the guys who are solid to top tier and who probably can't be replaced due to age and skill level. I included Pugh, but even I believe he can be upgraded. Like it or not we are stuck with other players due to contract or draft status:

JPP, Richburg, Flowers (maybe), Ellison, Tomlinson

So these might constitute your core. It's not an awful group of players, but wise decisions need to be made in order to turn this team in the right direction. Particularly along the QB, O-line, RB, and LB corps.
Core players  
hitdog42 : 10/9/2017 2:17 pm : link
The starting point is assuming Eli is qb at least next year and that currently, without evaluation, Webb is not a core guy.

On defense, most of the core guys have to be due to contract, and potential performance
- jpp, snacks, Vernon, Tomlinson, goodson, jackrabbit, Collins, Apple,

On offense there isnít much
- obj, Shepherd, engram, Pugh (sign him donít sign richburg), gallman

Despite the defense being a bit of a fraud the last 3 weeks... with a few tweaks - they arenít far from being good.

The offense has a long way to go- keys the rest of the year are giving players a shot to see if they can be part of the core.
- for this reason you play fluker, you move flowers to rt or guard, and give jones consistent reps- if one of them proves worthy- great.ó I would like to see more from roger Lewis , darkwa health wise, and see Davis Webb get some reps to further evaluate.
Hitdog  
Keaton028 : 10/9/2017 2:29 pm : link
You are pretty in tune with things. Do you really see Gallman as a core player? He seems to have decent talent, but I feel like the RB position needs an upgrade in the worst way. He may be a decent complimentary back, but I don't see him being "the guy". Do you?
The same question  
Keaton028 : 10/9/2017 2:30 pm : link
I also ask for Goodson. Nice player, but is he really irreplaceable?
If both perform moving forward  
hitdog42 : 10/9/2017 2:35 pm : link
Both are core type pieces .... that being said they arenít the type of players that prevent you from acquiring bpa at that positionó there are very few on any roster like that .
I agree  
Keaton028 : 10/9/2017 2:37 pm : link
I guess its just the interpretation of "core". To me those are your guys that would be most difficult to replace. I like Gallman and Goodson, but I still believe the RB and LB units could use massive upgrades.
I think they need to re-up Pugh  
phil in arizona : 10/9/2017 3:02 pm : link
right now and give him a shot at LT. Richberg can walk. You don't pay top $ for a C. You also need to find out if Flowers can play RT, sooner rather than later.

If you have a LT and a RT, the rebuild all of a sudden becomes a lot easier.

I disagree  
Keaton028 : 10/9/2017 3:11 pm : link
I think you have to aim higher than just a "mehh" player at LT. That view has gotten us in this mess to begin with. Pugh is just a "meh" player at LT.
Apple?  
Alan in Toledo : 10/9/2017 3:11 pm : link
Really? He's having a terrible year.
Alan  
Keaton028 : 10/9/2017 3:40 pm : link
Apple is young and talented if raw. You don't give up on that right away. Corey Webster struggled early as well. You gotta roll with Apple for a few years and see how he improves.
Agree With Many of the Comments  
Bernie : 10/9/2017 3:42 pm : link
Pugh, Richburg, Gallman, Perkins are all marginal core players, but the reality is you have to keep some around because you really can't replace all of them immediately. I'm not saying pay Pugh and Richburg huge contracts, but I think they are better than what they have shown. Same for Perkins. End of last year he looked pretty good. Can't help but wonder if Solari and his system is a big part of the problem with the O-Line.
Bernie  
Keaton028 : 10/9/2017 3:48 pm : link
I mostly agree. You should try to keep Richburg and Pugh although they arent superstars. Not every player on the team will be an all pro. On Perkins, I don't know. I would attempt to completely upgrade the RB position and only keep one of Gallman or Perkins.
RE: Bernie  
Bernie : 10/9/2017 4:10 pm : link
In comment 13639481 Keaton028 said:
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I mostly agree. You should try to keep Richburg and Pugh although they arent superstars. Not every player on the team will be an all pro. On Perkins, I don't know. I would attempt to completely upgrade the RB position and only keep one of Gallman or Perkins.


I don't have a problem at all with having them compete for 1 roster spot. Candidly, I can see a path to where the Giants have to choose between one of the QB's projected to come out and Barkley. That is where the decision on Eli comes in. The organization is at a huge crossroads.
Yep  
Keaton028 : 10/9/2017 4:13 pm : link
I think you probably have to go QB, while you can still find very talented backs in the 2nd and 3rd round (example: Kareem Hunt). However, I would be extremely happy with Barkley. I have been waiting for the Giants to have a running game again for years. Barkley and Gallman would be great.
Also JPP is not a core player  
Bleedblue10 : 10/9/2017 5:48 pm : link
He's terrible and his uninspired play leads this group of underachievers. His example is rubbing off and he needs to go.
RE: Also JPP is not a core player  
Bernie : 10/9/2017 6:03 pm : link
In comment 13639764 Bleedblue10 said:
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He's terrible and his uninspired play leads this group of underachievers. His example is rubbing off and he needs to go.


Yeah, but unfortunately cutting him prior to next season is a $22.75 million cap hit. $7.750 million of his salary is guaranteed. He will be a Giant in 2018 and probably 2019. Thus, I have him as core.
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