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NFT: ALDS Game 4 CLE @NYY 7:00pm FS1, Sevy gon' take us to Game 5

DennyInDenville : 10/9/2017 4:43 pm
Luis Severino on the hill in this magestic game 4 elimination in the Bronx

Indians pitcher on 3 days rest..

Let's fucking win baby!!!!

1.) Gardy
2.) Judge
3.) SIR DIDI
4.) Sanchez
5.) Bird
6.) Castro
7.) Headley (DH)
8.) Todd Frazier
9.) Hicks

Little lineup change I see...

Let's fucking get this!!!
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RE: that Kahnle acquisition is looking pretty good  
dune69 : 10/9/2017 11:41 pm : link
In comment 13640645 Del Shofner said:
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right now.


Agree Del. Kahnle was lights out tonight. Very impressive.
RE: that Kahnle acquisition is looking pretty good  
bigbluehoya : 10/9/2017 11:41 pm : link
In comment 13640645 Del Shofner said:
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right now.


Plus another year of D-Rob under contract? It was a good trade then. Great trade now.
RE: Girardi  
dune69 : 10/9/2017 11:46 pm : link
In comment 13640650 MookGiants said:
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was about to cry during the post game.

A lot of us hammered him the other night and some of us felt he would lose his job over it, but I have taken a step back and I also think the way the team responded after it says a lot. Hopefully he's back next year. That emotional moment was pretty cool.


Mook, you've said several times over the years that Girardi is a good manager. He's also a good guy. He fucked up Friday and he knows it. We were all emotional after that day but I would be worried about taking a step back with a new manager. The team plays hard for this guy. I'm not sure what the Yanks will do but I always worry that we can find the right guy to keep improving. My vote is to keep Girardi but I don't count.
I think D-Rob's gonna finish his career here, too.  
bceagle05 : 10/9/2017 11:48 pm : link
He and Kahnle will be big pieces going forward.
RE: Girardi  
bigbluehoya : 10/9/2017 11:49 pm : link
In comment 13640650 MookGiants said:
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was about to cry during the post game.

A lot of us hammered him the other night and some of us felt he would lose his job over it, but I have taken a step back and I also think the way the team responded after it says a lot. Hopefully he's back next year. That emotional moment was pretty cool.


I'm still on my way home so haven't seen it, but I am very glad to hear it.

I was really rubbed the wrong way by Olneu reports that maybe he doesn't want to be back in any case.

Don't get me wrong, if he doesn't want to that's absolutely his prerogative. But if that's the chatter he's putting out via his channels after he fucked that game 3 ways, that's fucked up.

Good to hear that mayyybe it's bullshit.
RE: Can someone explain to me....  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/9/2017 11:51 pm : link
In comment 13640178 Tesla said:
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why the fuck Headley is batting 7th and Hicks is batting 9th???? WTF is the rationale there....other than that fact that Girard loves his "vets." Which also explains why Holliday is taking up a roster spot for absolutely zero reason.


Tesla, it has nothing to do with Girardi loving vets. Hicks is batting 9th because he is better than Headley and Girardi is viewing the lineup as not a 1-9 list, but as a continuous loop.

Hicks is more likely to get on base than Headley and is a much better baserunner than Headley and Girardi wants that kind of weapon turning over the lineup. What use is batting Judge 2nd if he doesn't have a lot of talent coming up before him to get on base?

It's similar to the argument that a National League team should bat their pitcher 8th so that a better hitter can precede the top of the order.
RE: RE: Can someone explain to me....  
chopperhatch : 10/9/2017 11:58 pm : link
In comment 13640661 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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In comment 13640178 Tesla said:


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why the fuck Headley is batting 7th and Hicks is batting 9th???? WTF is the rationale there....other than that fact that Girard loves his "vets." Which also explains why Holliday is taking up a roster spot for absolutely zero reason.



Tesla, it has nothing to do with Girardi loving vets. Hicks is batting 9th because he is better than Headley and Girardi is viewing the lineup as not a 1-9 list, but as a continuous loop.

Hicks is more likely to get on base than Headley and is a much better baserunner than Headley and Girardi wants that kind of weapon turning over the lineup. What use is batting Judge 2nd if he doesn't have a lot of talent coming up before him to get on base?

It's similar to the argument that a National League team should bat their pitcher 8th so that a better hitter can precede the top of the order.


Excellent point. The argument that you want your best hitters coming to the plate more often doesnt really apply that low in the order.
RE: RE: Can someone explain to me....  
Del Shofner : 10/10/2017 12:03 am : link
In comment 13640661 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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In comment 13640178 Tesla said:


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why the fuck Headley is batting 7th and Hicks is batting 9th???? WTF is the rationale there....other than that fact that Girard loves his "vets." Which also explains why Holliday is taking up a roster spot for absolutely zero reason.



Tesla, it has nothing to do with Girardi loving vets. Hicks is batting 9th because he is better than Headley and Girardi is viewing the lineup as not a 1-9 list, but as a continuous loop.

Hicks is more likely to get on base than Headley and is a much better baserunner than Headley and Girardi wants that kind of weapon turning over the lineup. What use is batting Judge 2nd if he doesn't have a lot of talent coming up before him to get on base?

It's similar to the argument that a National League team should bat their pitcher 8th so that a better hitter can precede the top of the order.


Exactly. Girardi sees 9-1-2-3 as a variation of 1-2-3-4. When you look at the players batting there tonight, it makes sense.
All the pressure is on CLE now.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/10/2017 12:04 am : link
No matter what happens in Game 5, this was a very successful season. Very proud of this young bunch.
listening to Sevy on the postgame -  
Del Shofner : 10/10/2017 12:07 am : link
he seems to have a good rapport with Sanchez.
Awesome win!!!  
Bchurch : 10/10/2017 12:10 am : link
Exactly what a Giants fan needs right now.... Thanks Yanks!!
Interesting way Joe handled the DH question in the presser  
Stu11 : 10/10/2017 12:11 am : link
reporter brought up the black hole that Ells and Heads have been so far in the series. He answered it with "well they are definitely due we hope that happens Wed." I took that to mean one of them is playing and it won't be Holliday who honestly I'd give serious consideration to at this point. My bet is he plays Ells.
RE: RE: Girardi  
chopperhatch : 10/10/2017 12:28 am : link
In comment 13640660 bigbluehoya said:
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was about to cry during the post game.

A lot of us hammered him the other night and some of us felt he would lose his job over it, but I have taken a step back and I also think the way the team responded after it says a lot. Hopefully he's back next year. That emotional moment was pretty cool.



I'm still on my way home so haven't seen it, but I am very glad to hear it.

I was really rubbed the wrong way by Olneu reports that maybe he doesn't want to be back in any case.

Don't get me wrong, if he doesn't want to that's absolutely his prerogative. But if that's the chatter he's putting out via his channels after he fucked that game 3 ways, that's fucked up.

Good to hear that mayyybe it's bullshit.


You can also forecast that maybe Girardi know this is his last hurrah and plans on bolting regardless?

I dont necessarily believe that, but its another possibility.
RE: RE: RE: Girardi  
dpinzow : 10/10/2017 12:32 am : link
In comment 13640685 chopperhatch said:
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In comment 13640650 MookGiants said:


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was about to cry during the post game.

A lot of us hammered him the other night and some of us felt he would lose his job over it, but I have taken a step back and I also think the way the team responded after it says a lot. Hopefully he's back next year. That emotional moment was pretty cool.



I'm still on my way home so haven't seen it, but I am very glad to hear it.

I was really rubbed the wrong way by Olneu reports that maybe he doesn't want to be back in any case.

Don't get me wrong, if he doesn't want to that's absolutely his prerogative. But if that's the chatter he's putting out via his channels after he fucked that game 3 ways, that's fucked up.

Good to hear that mayyybe it's bullshit.



You can also forecast that maybe Girardi know this is his last hurrah and plans on bolting regardless?

I dont necessarily believe that, but its another possibility.


Could be...10 years as Yankee manager is an extremely long time. Only 4 Yankee managers have continuously held the post longer (Huggins, McCarthy, Stengel, Torre)
Should be on the way to the ALCS  
Phil in LA : 10/10/2017 1:16 am : link
Already, but Girardi’d, so back to Cleveland.
Btw, two big offseason questions:  
chopperhatch : 10/10/2017 1:24 am : link
1) CC....... How can he not come back the way he has pitched this year and with the vibe (from the youth movement mostly) this team has had this year? Personally, I don't think he is done pitching and I think he also wants to be a part of not only the rotation, but mentoring a young guy like Montgomery. Yes, I know his contract numbers currently, but amount could he possibly command that would price us out? Further, how willing would he be to give a discount to stay here and what kind of discount would he give?

2) Todd Frazier. Yes, I know about Gleyber coming back next year. Yes, I know his age. Yes, I know his batting average stinks. But the guy has been Swisher-like in the clubhouse and loves being here. He also has no issue batting as low as 9th in the line up despite being a 30 homer per year guy and he has been almost a great glove at 3rd. He could be insurance for the kid, back up multiple positions and a PH.

Wow the kids are loving the big stage  
xman : 10/10/2017 1:33 am : link
A big elimination game 5 is an amazing experience. Second elimination game they will have played . Rookies are becoming veterans real quick
Hah. Hahahaha.  
Greg from LI : 10/10/2017 1:37 am : link

Jose Ramirez
Jose Ramirez @MrLapara
We're 3-0 at Yankee Stadium this year cupcake.
Franklin @Frankles7
Hahaha you're about to take a fat L (link: https://twitter.com/MrLapara/status/917087578691559425) twitter.com/MrLapara/statu…
2:03 PM · Oct 8, 2017
RE: Should be on the way to the ALCS  
Stu11 : 10/10/2017 1:55 am : link
In comment 13640690 Phil in LA said:
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Already, but Girardi’d, so back to Cleveland.

There's no telling how the series goes if we win that one. I have a hunch either way this was heading for game 5.
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GiantFilthy : 10/10/2017 5:21 am : link
Stu  
Tuckrule : 10/10/2017 7:21 am : link
Ells will start at DH for sure. Right lefty matchup plus joe loves saving headley to pinch hit late against Miller
RE: ==========  
micky : 10/10/2017 7:39 am : link
In comment 13640708 GiantFilthy said:
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RE: Stu  
Stu11 : 10/10/2017 8:40 am : link
In comment 13640754 Tuckrule said:
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Ells will start at DH for sure. Right lefty matchup plus joe loves saving headley to pinch hit late against Miller

Yea I agree we'll definitely see Ells like game 2. Was just saying that for anyone in the crowd that thinks there's a chance to see Holliday its not going to happen based on that answer.
Biggest thing about tonight  
Kyle in NY : 10/10/2017 8:50 am : link
besides the win obviously, is resting the main 3 in the bullpen. Reading back through the thread, I don't think Green has been demoted, I think they just knew he was on fumes in game 2 and needed a few days. Got to imagine we'll see him in game 5.

A lot of that is due to how Severino responded tonight and really pushed himself through 110+ pitches. Got the big outs and also helped save the bullpen. Great response by the kid. The future is bright

And credit Girardi too for sticking with him and not going right to the bullpen, which he very easily could have done with the middle of the order up in the 6th.

Great win. Great comeback. Great team.

Let's finish this thing off!
RE: Btw, two big offseason questions:  
section125 : 10/10/2017 8:50 am : link
In comment 13640691 chopperhatch said:
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1) CC....... How can he not come back the way he has pitched this year and with the vibe (from the youth movement mostly) this team has had this year? Personally, I don't think he is done pitching and I think he also wants to be a part of not only the rotation, but mentoring a young guy like Montgomery. Yes, I know his contract numbers currently, but amount could he possibly command that would price us out? Further, how willing would he be to give a discount to stay here and what kind of discount would he give?

2) Todd Frazier. Yes, I know about Gleyber coming back next year. Yes, I know his age. Yes, I know his batting average stinks. But the guy has been Swisher-like in the clubhouse and loves being here. He also has no issue batting as low as 9th in the line up despite being a 30 homer per year guy and he has been almost a great glove at 3rd. He could be insurance for the kid, back up multiple positions and a PH.


Two good points.
1.) I think CC knows how to win games and his stuff actually looks better than two years ago. I think they will look to re-sign. Definitely one year, but CC probably wants two. 2 @ $12 mill?

2.) Frazier is 32? He'll be looking for 3 years. No way the Yanks do that. They already have Headley and Frazier is a slightly better Headley. Need to make room for Andujar and Torres. I think Todd is not re-signed.
Could easily see  
Kyle in NY : 10/10/2017 8:53 am : link
Frazier taking less to stay home. I think they should bring him back. Torres should have his eye on 2B. More value playing him up the middle anyway.

CC seems like a no brainer to bring back at this point.
love this group. these kids all have balls. the moment is never too  
Victor in CT : 10/10/2017 8:54 am : link
big for them. Sevi could have pitched all night. Judge never loses his cool even though he continues to get screwed on those low pitches for called strikes. Hicks has been fantastic defensively and at the plate. What can you say about Sanchez? He's been great behind the dish, and hi bat is potent.
didn't mean to leave out Bird, who has made an amazing recovery  
Victor in CT : 10/10/2017 8:56 am : link
and showed why they had so much faith and hope in him.
RE: Girardi  
Kyle in NY : 10/10/2017 8:57 am : link
In comment 13640650 MookGiants said:
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was about to cry during the post game.

A lot of us hammered him the other night and some of us felt he would lose his job over it, but I have taken a step back and I also think the way the team responded after it says a lot. Hopefully he's back next year. That emotional moment was pretty cool.


Well said. I can't act like I wasn't one of those ready to run him out of town the other night. But he's come clean about the mistake, that's all I can ask for. Shit happens.

Overall, he's done a good job here. Some of those teams from 2013-2016 that he got winning seasons out of had no business doing so. And these guys play hard for him.

He invites a lot of criticism because he's so rigid and rarely shows any personality. And he makes a lot of moves in-game, which obviously invites second guessing. But he gets the job done more often than not.

I feel badly for how us fans reacted the other night and at the stadium.
RE: Biggest thing about tonight  
Greg from LI : 10/10/2017 8:59 am : link
In comment 13640857 Kyle in NY said:
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besides the win obviously, is resting the main 3 in the bullpen. Reading back through the thread, I don't think Green has been demoted, I think they just knew he was on fumes in game 2 and needed a few days. Got to imagine we'll see him in game 5.


Yep. Green needed a rest badly. As awesome as that bullpen performance in the wild card game was, it really did a number on their main relief guys. Everyone should be rested and ready in Game 5.

Off the wall idea - DH Castro and start Torreyes. Better D at second, and at least he will put the ball in play.
RE: Girardi  
BigBlueShock : 10/10/2017 9:04 am : link
In comment 13640650 MookGiants said:
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was about to cry during the post game.

A lot of us hammered him the other night and some of us felt he would lose his job over it, but I have taken a step back and I also think the way the team responded after it says a lot. Hopefully he's back next year. That emotional moment was pretty cool.

This. X1000. I too was pretty rough on Joe but it was pure emotion speaking. I like Joe more than most and want him back.

My main concern is a guy named Jeter. You just know he's actively recruiting Joe and after 10 years, maybe Joe is just ready for the next chapter.
RE: RE: Biggest thing about tonight  
section125 : 10/10/2017 9:07 am : link
In comment 13640874 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 13640857 Kyle in NY said:


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besides the win obviously, is resting the main 3 in the bullpen. Reading back through the thread, I don't think Green has been demoted, I think they just knew he was on fumes in game 2 and needed a few days. Got to imagine we'll see him in game 5.



Yep. Green needed a rest badly. As awesome as that bullpen performance in the wild card game was, it really did a number on their main relief guys. Everyone should be rested and ready in Game 5.

Off the wall idea - DH Castro and start Torreyes. Better D at second, and at least he will put the ball in play.


Not a bad idea. Ells and Headley are awful at DH and Torryes gets bat on ball consistently. But no, he is not a better defender than Castro. Does Castro get the occasional brainfart - no doubt. But Castro has better range and a much better arm.

Only problem is you are taking your only utility IF and putting him on the field and your only remaining middle IF'er is at DH and should he need to play the field you lose the DH. Maybe only a small problem.
Love that idea Greg  
LG in NYC : 10/10/2017 9:12 am : link
It pains me to watch Headley or Ellsbury at the plate right now.
RE: Love that idea Greg  
section125 : 10/10/2017 9:21 am : link
In comment 13640908 LG in NYC said:
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It pains me to watch Headley or Ellsbury at the plate right now.


Maybe after the win on Wednesday, Joe dumps Ellsbury and puts Clint Frazier on the roster vs the Astro's. If he was just a bit more polished as an OF, it might be a good idea.
I don't mind that idea  
Kyle in NY : 10/10/2017 9:22 am : link
Can also help Castro to start adjusting to the DH role so he can take that spot next year and give 2B to Torres :)
Not a bad idea though  
hitdog42 : 10/10/2017 10:05 am : link
Torreyes doesn’t catch a few of those balls to Castro yesterday! Too high!

I’m just happy a few Yankees hitters started sitting on curve balls and made the Indians pay for it
I'm hoping like Game 1 to Game 2  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/10/2017 10:15 am : link
that seeing Bauer's breaking balls programs them to recognize the even-better breaking stuff from Kluber. Ideally, the Yankees would have won last night AND Bauer would have faced more than 12 guys but at least everyone saw him once and Gardner/Judge/Did saw him twice.
RE: Not a bad idea though  
Greg from LI : 10/10/2017 10:17 am : link
In comment 13641055 hitdog42 said:
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Torreyes doesn’t catch a few of those balls to Castro yesterday! Too high!

I’m just happy a few Yankees hitters started sitting on curve balls and made the Indians pay for it


But you're not taking Castro out of the lineup, you're taking Headley/Ellsbury out.
I know I was saying  
hitdog42 : 10/10/2017 10:20 am : link
A few of the liners to Castro would be over torreyes head.... half joking

Anything to get those 2 out of the lineup is a good thing.
I still think Matt Holliday has a big hit in him as well- no point in him being here if we are letting the other 2 guys get abs and k all day with runners on
Personally, I wouldn't have even carried Holliday on this roster  
Greg from LI : 10/10/2017 10:24 am : link
But since he is there, I don't know why you wouldn't give him a chance at this point. It's not as if you're getting anything at all from the other two.
yeah Ellsbury is back to where he was most of the season. The 4 week  
Victor in CT : 10/10/2017 10:27 am : link
hot streak was an abberation, he' sblocking a spot for a younger, better player. He's going to be tough to move even if they kick in a boat load of $$ in the deal. He's owed $21MM per for 2018, 2019 and 2020, plus a buyout of $5MM for 2021, $68 million total. UGH.
didn't end up scoring  
mfsd : 10/10/2017 10:30 am : link
but was glad to see Gardy's line drive single late in the game yesterday. While customarily active and good in the field, he really hasn't hit in the postseason yet either outside of his big HR in the WC game. Would be great to get him going against Kluber Wednesday
It is essential  
BigBlueShock : 10/10/2017 10:33 am : link
For the Yanks to get off to a fast start tomorrow. The Cleveland fans get very quiet when things aren't going their way but can be very loud when things are going well. Not only does that give their team extra juice, but it apparently also influences the home plate ump. They are human and get caught up in the moment just like everyone else. I'm convinced the crowd influenced several of the bogus strike calls they gave to Bauer in game one.
RE: Hah. Hahahaha.  
Bchurch : 10/10/2017 12:27 pm : link
In comment 13640695 Greg from LI said:
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Jose Ramirez
Jose Ramirez @MrLapara
We're 3-0 at Yankee Stadium this year cupcake.
Franklin @Frankles7
Hahaha you're about to take a fat L (link: https://twitter.com/MrLapara/status/917087578691559425) twitter.com/MrLapara/statu…
2:03 PM · Oct 8, 2017


This turned into a classic...
We're 3-0 at Yankee Stadium this year cupcake. - ( New Window )
heh....best reply yet  
Greg from LI : 10/10/2017 12:40 pm : link
Alex Menascheţ @amenasche · 8h8 hours ago

Yea - pour that 2-17 on us.

oddly enough.....  
Greg from LI : 10/10/2017 12:42 pm : link
Mr Lapara has had nothing more to say since the cupcake tweet. Weird!
Soft as baby shit Bauer  
B in ALB : 10/10/2017 3:13 pm : link
Went on a Twitter blocking rampage last night during the game. He's all sensitive and shook. Dude's mental.
If I was an agent and my client wasn't A+ mentally at everything  
DennyInDenville : 10/10/2017 3:14 pm : link
I would write in our agreement zero Twitter usage!!

Athletes always seem to reply and read all the hate tweets they receive.. so why even bother as a pro athlete? It's too distracting imo

RE: Soft as baby shit Bauer  
DennyInDenville : 10/10/2017 3:14 pm : link
In comment 13641699 B in ALB said:
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Went on a Twitter blocking rampage last night during the game. He's all sensitive and shook. Dude's mental.

Lol wow! Perfect example
RE: Soft as baby shit Bauer  
BigBlueShock : 10/10/2017 3:55 pm : link
In comment 13641699 B in ALB said:
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Went on a Twitter blocking rampage last night during the game. He's all sensitive and shook. Dude's mental.

Weird. I heard that Yankee fans are the only fan base that criticizes players and managers. Because we are spoiled. Yet here Bauer is getting destroyed by Cleveland fans on Twitter after spinning a gem in game one. Huh. They must be spoiled brats too.
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