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Blame Coughlin?

NYGmen58 : 10/9/2017 5:56 pm
Many on BBI and in the media seemed to cast most of the blame for the lackluster play and blown 4th quarter leads on Tom Coughlin in 2015. Many on here went as far as to blame the INJURIES on Tom Coughlin and his "old school" approach to practicing and preparing. Some even claimed that the Giants had plenty of talent but Coughlin had "lost touch" with the players and that the old man could not longer connect with football players of the current era...

Now, I knew that this was hogwash at the time but now not only is it proven that Coughlin wasn't the issue, it's quite evident Coughlin may have been one of the few good eggs in this organization. Needless to say, mealy-mouthed Mara panicked and decided to make Coughlin the fall-guy, unceremoniously showing him the door toward his "retirement". Meanwhile, every wise, alert, and knowledgeable fans knew clearly that the biggest culprits were the bozo Jerry Reese (who has mismanaged the team since becoming the GM and truthfully had little to do with the two Superbowl victories) and McAdoodledoo, a clueless offensive coordinator with little-to-know experience, poor play-calling, and woeful clock management, and runs a broken offensive system in which the chief objective is higher passing percentage and not scoring points. Mara INEXPLICABLY lets Reese keep his job and PROMOTES Whackadoo into the head-coaching role.

Folks, the answers have been here all along and firing Coughlin was never one of them. The only thing Coughlin is at fault for is allowing Ben McAdoo to become the OC on his staff, because that's paved the way to him being handed the head coaching gig. Alas, Coughlin's "retirement" was a short one, as we all knew it would be, and he's already turning the perennial losers in Jacksonville back into contenders.

So I must ask you BBI, do you still blame Coughlin?
2013 - blame the OC  
Rocky369 : 10/9/2017 5:57 pm : link
2015 - blame the HC
2017 - blame the GM
2019 - blame the owner

sooner or later they'll get it right.
Blame Canada  
jeff57 : 10/9/2017 5:59 pm : link
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Coughlin had lost it in game. He deserved to be fired.  
Devon : 10/9/2017 6:02 pm : link
McAdoo wasn't remotely a problem as OC either.

That doesn't mean the problems didn't go a lot deeper than Coughlin or McAdoo isn't in over his head as HC right now to still recognize that.
Yes.  
well...bye TC : 10/9/2017 6:04 pm : link
Stop trying to get back with your old gf folks. You cant go home again.
Coughlin had his time and opportunity here.  
robbieballs2003 : 10/9/2017 6:07 pm : link
It was time to move on. However, the whole hiring process that landed McAdoo was a fuckin' joke.
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joeinpa : 10/9/2017 6:08 pm : link
Hard to understand how you could look at the product on the field for Coughlin s. Last three seasons and not think it was time for a change

The opening loss at Dallas his last season was unforgivable and set the team in a tailspin.

As to Jacksonville, last I looked, Doug Marone was the coach, the guy I wanted for the Giants.
Blame  
Gman11 : 10/9/2017 6:13 pm : link
Russia
Problem is Reese should have gone  
Thunderstruck27 : 10/9/2017 6:15 pm : link
along with Coughlin. There was no talent on the team 3 years ago.
RE: 58  
NYGmen58 : 10/9/2017 6:15 pm : link
In comment 13639800 joeinpa said:
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Hard to understand how you could look at the product on the field for Coughlin s. Last three seasons and not think it was time for a change

The opening loss at Dallas his last season was unforgivable and set the team in a tailspin.

As to Jacksonville, last I looked, Doug Marone was the coach, the guy I wanted for the Giants.


Fair points that I agree with. I am not suggesting it was wrong to move on from Coughlin, but to do that BUT keep Reese as GM and elevate McAdoo to HC is simply whistling past the graveyard. It may have been time to move on from Coughlin to make him the fall-guy was pathetic and beyond comprehension.

Doug Marrone was actually my first choice for HC as well. Not bc I think he's the next Vince Lombardi but he was simply the best fit for the team and vice versa at the time.
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joeinpa : 10/9/2017 6:20 pm : link
I agree with you on this last point
Interesting how some of you attribute the product on the field  
widmerseyebrow : 10/9/2017 6:20 pm : link
to TC then but say it's Reese now. I'd like to hear how you separate the two situations.
and that extends beyond this thread obviously  
widmerseyebrow : 10/9/2017 6:21 pm : link
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Hard to deny  
lecky : 10/9/2017 7:13 pm : link
this team is eerily similar to the Tom Coughlin days. Lack of ingenuity on offense and similar tendencies on defense. They still do not cover the tight end and way too many 3rd down conversions. Very little pass rush and it seems they dont even parctice on offense. Play calling is way too predictable as well. All the same complaints when Coughlin was here.
I always said...  
Dan in the Springs : 10/9/2017 7:18 pm : link
Coughlin would have the team prepared each week. He seemed to do a good job of having a game plan that had a chance to work.

His biggest problem was health. He didn't have a strategy to keep his players healthy. His offensive strategy of "balance" used to drive me crazy as well.

But there was a lot to love with Coach Coughlin, and I'll always be grateful to him for how he had our team ready to go each week.

I didn't disagree with the idea of moving on from Coach Coughlin. McAdoo is in over his head at this point, imo, but he may someday be a better coach than he is today.
It's the uncertain future that sucks more than anything as a Giants fan right now.
RE: I always said...  
Scuzzlebutt : 10/9/2017 7:29 pm : link
In comment 13639897 Dan in the Springs said:
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Coughlin would have the team prepared each week. He seemed to do a good job of having a game plan that had a chance to work.

His biggest problem was health. He didn't have a strategy to keep his players healthy. His offensive strategy of "balance" used to drive me crazy as well.

But there was a lot to love with Coach Coughlin, and I'll always be grateful to him for how he had our team ready to go each week.

I didn't disagree with the idea of moving on from Coach Coughlin. McAdoo is in over his head at this point, imo, but he may someday be a better coach than he is today.
It's the uncertain future that sucks more than anything as a Giants fan right now.


This new strategy for keeping the team healthy doesn't seem to be working this year. Maybe it's more about pure luck than anything else.
_________  
I am Ninja : 10/9/2017 7:29 pm : link
we havent covered te's for 25 years.
RE: RE: I always said...  
Dan in the Springs : 10/9/2017 7:34 pm : link
In comment 13639918 Scuzzlebutt said:
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This new strategy for keeping the team healthy doesn't seem to be working this year. Maybe it's more about pure luck than anything else.


Luck does play into it, hard to do anything about fractures. And as Eric called it in his LAC preview, the injuries will start to mount as the team continues to lose.

In Coughlin's case however we consistently suffered with injuries. Some may have been luck, but his commitment to Palmieri was baffling, imo.
What appears to be  
Rick5 : 10/9/2017 7:41 pm : link
happening is exactly what I feared, i.e., that they would waste Eli's last few years with an unproven coach who wouldn't pan out. It's premature to say McAdoo is a complete bust, but it ain't looking good right now.
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arcarsenal : 10/9/2017 7:46 pm : link
It's okay to admit that it was time for TC to go. Regardless of what has happened since.

Moving on was the right move. It just doesn't look like we chose the right successor.
How many head coaching job  
Les in TO : 10/9/2017 8:00 pm : link
Offers did TC receive after leaving the Giants?
Eli blameless in a thread?  
SHO'NUFF : 10/9/2017 9:50 pm : link
now I've seen everything!
RE: What appears to be  
Sarcastic Sam : 10/9/2017 10:09 pm : link
In comment 13639943 Rick5 said:
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happening is exactly what I feared, i.e., that they would waste Eli's last few years with an unproven coach who wouldn't pan out. It's premature to say McAdoo is a complete bust, but it ain't looking good right now.


Is it really premature?
Last I heard a Coughlin resigned  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/9/2017 10:34 pm : link
He was never fired.
It was time for Coughlin to go..  
Sean : 10/9/2017 10:44 pm : link
the mistake was that was the time to clean house. They half assed it by promoting McAdoo and keeping a handful of Coughlin's coaches. They factored Eli too much in the decision as Matt pointed out.

Bill O'Brien always felt like a NYG type coach to me. I think the time to clean house was after 2013 when they wanted a new offensive system. In reality, hiring McAdoo and forcing him on Coughlin was the beginning of this debacle.
RE: Coughlin had his time and opportunity here.  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/9/2017 11:22 pm : link
In comment 13639799 robbieballs2003 said:
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It was time to move on. However, the whole hiring process that landed McAdoo was a fuckin' joke.


This in part. The issue is Mara and Tisch who if not for being born to the right parents wouldn't be in their positions. Period. The TC Reese
Eras should have ended together. Tom was too stubborn to adjust the offense at all. Reese is literally inept at finding offensive linemen. He's did Nothing but add the mediocre Beatty and cap killer Baas his first 5 years. Then he clusters early picks when the OL was falling apart. He missed badly on Flowers. Richberg mediocre at best and a solid Pugh. He then acted like this 3 were the answer regardless of their play.

Cam Robinson meanwhile is the Left tackle for Jax. Still looking the assholes who wanted to canonize Reese last year who also insisted there wasn't an OL worth the 25th pick. Or anyone else.

Just because Reese and Ownership are morons doesn't mean TC should have gotten a pass.
RE: I always said...  
nygnyy274 : 10/10/2017 7:32 am : link
In comment 13639897 Dan in the Springs said:
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Coughlin would have the team prepared each week. He seemed to do a good job of having a game plan that had a chance to work.

His biggest problem was health. He didn't have a strategy to keep his players healthy. His offensive strategy of "balance" used to drive me crazy as well.

But there was a lot to love with Coach Coughlin, and I'll always be grateful to him for how he had our team ready to go each week.

I didn't disagree with the idea of moving on from Coach Coughlin. McAdoo is in over his head at this point, imo, but he may someday be a better coach than he is today.
It's the uncertain future that sucks more than anything as a Giants fan right now.



There we plenty of times coughlin teams were not prepared the falcon and raven games come to mind in 2012 the eagle Sunday night game in 2014 and Monday night eagle 2015 also come to mind
RE: RE: What appears to be  
Rick5 : 10/10/2017 8:03 am : link
In comment 13640374 Sarcastic Sam said:
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In comment 13639943 Rick5 said:


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happening is exactly what I feared, i.e., that they would waste Eli's last few years with an unproven coach who wouldn't pan out. It's premature to say McAdoo is a complete bust, but it ain't looking good right now.



Is it really premature?

He seems terrible this year. I don't know. Three years seems about right for a fair assessment, but it's looking like he may not get three years.
This is so pointless  
HomerJones45 : 10/10/2017 8:26 am : link
Coughlin is gone and he's not coming back.

It should be painfully obvious to everyone now that the GM and the director of player personnel are not very good at their jobs and were going to kill any coach.

It should also be obvious that the whole Coughlin departure/McAdoo hire business was an incompetent, mishandled mess.

Finally, it should be obvious that this team will go nowhere untill the owner's box and the GM suite and the owner's box better define who is supposed to do what, they both get much better at self assessment and team assessment and the gM suite does a better job with player personnel.
it started with the horrendous drafting by Reese masked by the 2011 SB  
Victor in CT : 10/10/2017 10:15 am : link
then compunding it with the 2013 "Super Bowl Clock" with a team that was on fumes.

the halfassed change the OC and DC approach in 2014 just compounded it.

You can't claim it's unfair to part ways with a coach after 10+ years on the job. Love TC, but he was losing his fastball. But maybe some of the posters here who suggested (I was not one) he be bumped up to GM were on to something. He seems to be doing a credible job in JAX so far.

What should have happened was that Reese should have been canned following 2013 along with TC. That Reese was allowed to stay then was bad, that he somehow survived 2015 is just ridiculous.
RE: RE: I always said...  
Dan in the Springs : 10/10/2017 12:47 pm : link
In comment 13640757 nygnyy274 said:
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There we plenty of times coughlin teams were not prepared the falcon and raven games come to mind in 2012 the eagle Sunday night game in 2014 and Monday night eagle 2015 also come to mind


I should have chosen my words more carefully. Usually his teams were prepared - no more than 1-2 games per year were lost because the team was unprepared. At least that's how I saw it.

I view that as a strength of his, as the best coaches in the league still have 1-2 games per year where their team isn't ready to compete.
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