Brace Yourselves for a Trade Up

In comment 13639911 jeff57 said:

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How many more potential star QBs will that great organization pass on.

Eagles and Texans have great talent on them. They won't do that on the Browns. Same for Dak.

In comment 13639941 vafian22 said:

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as a starting qb. Most likely he will be turned into a receiver like Terrell Pryor.

A receiver? No he won't.

Holy shit.

If we finish top 3, we stay there and take our potential next QB. If it’s Darnold, you get him at all costs, even if that means trading up.

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In comment 13639913 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: acquiring picks and taking Lamar Jackson. Interesting. There’s a few people on here who’s takes on football I really respect. Robbieballs, JonC, Mook and GoTerps (before he became rainman on Odell Beckham) But what do you see in Jackson that makes him a guy you want?

Like I said, I would have to watch more. The idea is that this is a loaded draft class for QB. So, it depends on how these QBs are rated. Obviously, if we love a top guy then you take him where we are at. However, if we like a few then absolutely entertain offers. This draft is like no other with QBs. It is a buyers market just from the sheer number of potentially great QB prospects. These guys are going to be ripped apart maybe moreso this year than any year before. That is why I said what I said. I know the style of Jackson and feel he can be like a Russell Wilson. But it is a very premature evaluation.

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In comment 13639911 jeff57 said: Quote: How many more potential star QBs will that great organization pass on. Eagles and Texans have great talent on them. They won't do that on the Browns. Same for Dak.

I wouldn't say great talent. What great talent does Houston have on offense? Eagles are coming off of two losing seasons.

In comment 13639969 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 13639947 McNally's_Nuts said: Quote: In comment 13639913 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: acquiring picks and taking Lamar Jackson. Interesting. There’s a few people on here who’s takes on football I really respect. Robbieballs, JonC, Mook and GoTerps (before he became rainman on Odell Beckham) But what do you see in Jackson that makes him a guy you want? Like I said, I would have to watch more. The idea is that this is a loaded draft class for QB. So, it depends on how these QBs are rated. Obviously, if we love a top guy then you take him where we are at. However, if we like a few then absolutely entertain offers. This draft is like no other with QBs. It is a buyers market just from the sheer number of potentially great QB prospects. These guys are going to be ripped apart maybe moreso this year than any year before. That is why I said what I said. I know the style of Jackson and feel he can be like a Russell Wilson. But it is a very premature evaluation.

I’ve never seen Jackson play outside of highlights, but if you believe he is going to be DeShawn Watson....that has to intrigue Dave Gettleman, future GM in about 16 weeks.

Watson is off to an incredible start and is the guy people will try to peg comps with for Jackson.

Jackson needs to be more accurate. He's an explosive player and is very exciting, but I need to see more from him as a passer before I'd be comfortable investing a high pick on him.

He has immense upside, but his mechanics need some work.

and what type of team they want to build. If we want a true pocket passer then we have a tough road ahead with getting an OL that can block for that long. One thing a guy like Jackson does is allow you to get some dominant run blockers on the OL to kind of do what Tennessee has done and take advantage of play action and rolling out by minimizing the passing attempts but being productive with your attempts.

Will turn out to be the two best QBs in this draft

Absolutely be the pick for the Giants

Like Odell

It depends who is running things, what pick we have, what type of philosophy we're going to employ..

But if we have a high pick and strong convictions about one of these QB's, you have to take him over the RB. Barkley is the real deal - though I'm not sure I see a "generational" player there.

For no changes of front office, coaching staff, or SOP on draft day and beyond.

Best they'll do is roster changes.

WTF the Giants would do on draft day after what we have witnessed in recent years.

In comment 13640029 Earl the goat said:

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Absolutely be the pick for the Giants

I know I wouldn't hate it despite having to root for a PedU guy.

Then you have to pull the trigger. It's not often that you are in that position to get one of these QB's. One player to keep an eye on is Josh Allen.

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In comment 13640029 Earl the goat said: Quote: Absolutely be the pick for the Giants I know I wouldn't hate it despite having to root for a PedU guy.

I'm a little skittish on drafting a Penn Sate RB high.

on assembling a respectable OL before wasting top draft picks on "Franchise" QB's and a RB who will have no holes to run through.? That's why we should trade down to amass picks and she'd salaries like Cromartie and rework Eli's so we can sign some FA OL. First we need to get rid of the GM who can't draft and get a head coach with a clue.

That fans don't have ANY say in this shit, whatsoever.

In comment 13640074 FStubbs said:

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In comment 13640058 B in ALB said: Quote: In comment 13640029 Earl the goat said: Quote: Absolutely be the pick for the Giants I know I wouldn't hate it despite having to root for a PedU guy. I'm a little skittish on drafting a Penn Sate RB high.

It didn't last long, but Larry Johnson was a monster at his peak. He scored nearly 40 TD's in a 2 year span.

In comment 13640081 redwhiteandbigblue said:

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on assembling a respectable OL before wasting top draft picks on "Franchise" QB's and a RB who will have no holes to run through.? That's why we should trade down to amass picks and she'd salaries like Cromartie and rework Eli's so we can sign some FA OL. First we need to get rid of the GM who can't draft and get a head coach with a clue.

yeah, that sounds like it should work, get an OL first and then lose a chance at a franchise QB as the team gets stuck in the perennial 6 - 10, 7- 9, 8 - 8, 9-7 mediocrity cycle because history has shown us with franchises like CLE, MIA, BUF and others that OL are harder to find than franchise QB's.

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In comment 13640081 redwhiteandbigblue said: Quote: on assembling a respectable OL before wasting top draft picks on "Franchise" QB's and a RB who will have no holes to run through.? That's why we should trade down to amass picks and she'd salaries like Cromartie and rework Eli's so we can sign some FA OL. First we need to get rid of the GM who can't draft and get a head coach with a clue. yeah, that sounds like it should work, get an OL first and then lose a chance at a franchise QB as the team gets stuck in the perennial 6 - 10, 7- 9, 8 - 8, 9-7 mediocrity cycle because history has shown us with franchises like CLE, MIA, BUF and others that OL are harder to find than franchise QB's.

yeah, I agree.. PLUS you cannot draft an entire OL with a top pick in one draft. Taking your next franchise QB is much more impactful. You can always dump some salary elsewhere to sign a few free agents.

isn't really the Giants' style.

They certainly need to draft OL talent, but immediate help on the OL needs to come in FA. If you go into the draft needing to draft OL to start immediately, then you've already lost.

In comment 13640124 LakeGeorgeGiant said:

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isn't really the Giants' style. They certainly need to draft OL talent, but immediate help on the OL needs to come in FA. If you go into the draft needing to draft OL to start immediately, then you've already lost.

Exhibit A: Ereck Flowers

In comment 13640124 LakeGeorgeGiant said:

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isn't really the Giants' style. They certainly need to draft OL talent, but immediate help on the OL needs to come in FA. If you go into the draft needing to draft OL to start immediately, then you've already lost.

It isn't Jerry's style, but there is a good chance Jerry won't be calling the shots for the Giants in the 2018 draft.

In comment 13640098 David B. said:

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That fans don't have ANY say in this shit, whatsoever.

So you're saying we should close down the site and not discuss the Giants?

Awesome idea!

Unless your talking about a trade up in round 2. That's where you probably get him.

from this time to April every year it seems like a fools errand to try and predict who will be the top rated QB's in early October for the next April.

Andre Woodson and Brian Brohm were 1st round picks this time in 2007 - for the 2008 draft.

now, I would favor Josh Allen. One of the best arms I have ever seen. His throws are literally "frozen ropes." His throwing motion reminds me of Dan Marino. With just a flick of his wrist the ball is gone, often twenty or more yards downfield. He has also shown surprisingly good touch. And he's extremely mobile.

The negatives are first not surprisingly that he tries throws he shouldn't, and throws off his back foot because of his arm strength. He also leave the pocket too quickly to run.

But it's early. There's a lot of college football left this year.

I would love to trade down, however.

... are making the moves.

Never said you draft an entire OL. . All I was suggesting was my opinion that it is useless to draft a RB or "franchise QB " if we have no offensive line to run through or block for. I love Darnold and if we had a top pick and he decided to come out I would take him. For someone who starts off posts claiming to not be an expert you sure treat others like you think you are. Not trying to be a dick, just sayin.

so Darnold has not been playing with a full deck, And over half his interceptions have not been his fault. He struggled against Wazzu, but SC rarely had the ball. Wazzu dominated time of possession (Luke Falk is having a great year). Darnold is raw and needs more work - true. But the skills are there. There is only upside.

One of these QBs if we are in the top 3.

In comment 13639906 joeinpa said:

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very possible, they should be able to get one of the quarterbacks.

I agree. But they don't just need one of the QB's, they need the right one. There may be more than one right one, but a lot of folks have their doubts about Allen, Jackson, and Mayfield in particular.

Given his track record and definitively determinable proclivities, Reese would almost certainly take Jackson if he took a QB at all.

I shudder at that -- he has bust written all over him IMO.

...thing Reese will be picking during the next draft is vegatables at the local market , let alone making a trade up.

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In comment 13639902 Jay on the Island said: Quote: As of today Rosen is likely the #1 QB in the class. I wouldn't say very poor. Not up to expectations.

His O line is a mess. Lost both his tackles and the replacements are true freshman .. love Sam

In comment 13640642 BocaGiants91 said:

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...thing Reese will be picking during the next draft is vegatables at the local market , let alone making a trade up.

:-)

the Number 1 pick?

before we talk trade up. At the moment we've got the first pick. :)

In comment 13640717 LakeGeorgeGiant said:

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before we talk trade up. At the moment we've got the first pick. :)

Second actually.

In comment 13640278 redwhiteandbigblue said:

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Never said you draft an entire OL. . All I was suggesting was my opinion that it is useless to draft a RB or "franchise QB " if we have no offensive line to run through or block for. I love Darnold and if we had a top pick and he decided to come out I would take him. For someone who starts off posts claiming to not be an expert you sure treat others like you think you are. Not trying to be a dick, just sayin.

Sorry, didn't mean to offend you and I am not an expert it's just my opinion, but I strongly believe no team that needs a QB when faced with the option of selecting a franchise QB they love or an OL will take the OL.

Of course if there isn't a QB worthy you don't take EJ Manuel just to get a QB, that's a franchise altering pick, but my point was you don't have to use high draft picks on the OL before taking a franchise QB.

I did not mean to make it seem like I am an expert, that's just my opinion (and probably my writing style which I will make an effort to adjust in the future).

Trading up at the top of the draft can't be taken lightly, it's very expensive in terms of draft picks, you're talking probably half your picks and likely a premium pick in '19.

Not only that, not sure any of the QBs are going to be worth it.

If we've learned anything, it's that he's NOT the future...

Overly sensitive this weekend. Very tough to swallow the cost of season tickets when after only 2 home games the season feels lost. I totally agree with a franchise QB if one is available as they are rare to begin with and even rarer when we are picking which is not often in the top 10.Just wish this franchise put more value on OL and LB's.

How bout we see what Webb has 1st. Instead of wasting a pick on somebody who's gonna sit behind Eli for a couple of years.

he will sit behind Eli for 1 year, no more. It won't be a wasted pick. This has imploded, and I don't think some of you are up to speed here...It's over.They aren't going to build around a 37 year old QB. Eli is not playing to 40. Webb will not factor into the decision if they feel a QB is there.

and start the planning process for their new QB and then decide who they want and do whatever it takes to get the guy, I say this because we now know we simply cannot count on Eli anymore, he's shot as a pro QB and needs to do the franchise a favor and step down, this is a young mans game and Eli is obviously no longer young enough or able enough to play the game at the required level....

if a blue chipper you covet is staring you in the face in the top 5 next April.

The draft isn't about now, it's about the longer play.

but you've got to maximize the longer play with that draft pick, it's about the future. Eli is now.