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George from PA : 10/10/2017 5:18 am
I feel worse because of the expectations, which were sky high. I blame myself because I know that the Giants always disappoint when we believe they are good, except for '86.

I really have grown to dislike McAdoo and his offense but the real culprit is the defense as we expected them to play so much better. The real truth is the Giants are playing complimentary football. If it's not the OL, the RBs, the Wrs drops, the missed blocks by the TEs, or Eli telegraphing his intension, it's the defense not making any key stops or a shank punt or missed kick or big runback. As McAdoo has stated, complimentary football as every area is to blame.

What to do about it?

I doubt the Giants clean house. I would put McAdoo on a one way bus but they won't unless things get far worse.

Like it or not, Reese is safe. We can blame him for the OL and Lber as there is shaky talent in those areas but overall this team has enough talent to win. They are just not playing well together and that is on the coaches.

Eli's time is running out which makes these recent failures so frustrating. I truly thought we had one more. The Super Bowls seem like ages ago but no team has won more trophies this pass decade then the Giants and Pat's.

I kidded before the Chargers game that things couldn't get worse. Boy, was I mistaken...what happened during that game is simply unbelieviable! Are the Giants cursed!

What do the Giants do now? The season is over. I do not see a win anytime soon.

So next year, how do they fix this mess?

I really do not expect anything drastic but I have no faith in these coaches.

The draft have some great QBs, OTs and RBs.

What a waste of a season! This truly sucks.

My prayers go out to everyone that got injured and hope for a full recovery



I hope ownership remembers we were 0-5 with OBJ and Marshall  
SHO'NUFF : 10/10/2017 5:33 am : link
Ok, well technically 0-4 or 0-3 1/2 with OBJ missing out on a game and not being 100%.

Even still, please do not let the injuries give Ben and Jerry a free pass
humiliation  
Hilary : 10/10/2017 6:21 am : link
I think a 0-2 win season will force the the owners to look for a new GM. The GM will want to pick his coach.
Reese and Ross must go.  
NYRiese : 10/10/2017 6:52 am : link
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.
I can t understans  
joeinpa : 10/10/2017 6:56 am : link
Why so many of you are convinced Mara doesn't make changes if this season continues to go south.
RE: I can t understans  
Mdgiantsfan : 10/10/2017 7:13 am : link
In comment 13640734 joeinpa said:
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Why so many of you are convinced Mara doesn't make changes if this season continues to go south.

It's hard to imagine if this team doesn't win more than 4 games, how at least the HC survives. Especially if what appears to be him losing the team continues the remainder of the season. While Mac's offense produced when he was the OC, his offense has sucked while serving as the HC. As the OC, he had a leader of men and 2 SB champion Coughlin leading the way.
I think the Giants can fix this  
Simms11 : 10/10/2017 7:16 am : link
in the off-season. Get the oline straightened out, another tall receiver, veteran RB (preferably someone with power), and another OC. On D need a speedy LBer who can cover, another pass rusher and CB depth. Giants also will have an easier schedule next year and a very good draft position in each round. Biggest question I have is who wl be making the selections in the draft.
McAdoo might go if  
George from PA : 10/10/2017 7:21 am : link
Players start infighting, stop trying etc....with Jack Rabbit and Eli Apple acting up could be the start of something worse.

But I expect that stuff to be controlled. The Giants players are usually more mature. The injuries and his success last year will save him imo.

We can debate Reese and Ross. I understand their poor job with the Oline but it's not limited to the Giants as many teams are having issues. I feel the owners think Reese has done a good job overall. Again, 2 Super Bowls under his watch.....and the rest of the NFC East zero during that time. I know most want their heads.....but it won't happen.
If they keep  
XBRONX : 10/10/2017 7:24 am : link
Reese let the fans throw a dart at the draft board after the second round.
I agree. Reese is VERY safe and so is McAdoo  
JohnB : 10/10/2017 8:00 am : link
if he doesn't lose the locker room. If he does, he is gone. There is no point in keeping a coach that the players don't respect.
much depends on the Mara/ Reese relationship  
AnnapolisMike : 10/10/2017 8:14 am : link
If they are tight....He may survive.

I put this a little more on the coaching staff than the front office. On paper this was a pretty good roster at the beginning of the season. It's up to the coaches to make it work.

OL...To say Reese ignored the OL is fantasy. But the moves did not work out. Who did the Giants pass on who you can say was a mistake? Whitworth maybe...Tunsil...what has he done? Was expecting a player to get better from year 2-3 really that wrong? Players do get better with experience. Injury is what usually makes them worse.

I don't know...just musing here.
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Beer Man : 10/10/2017 8:29 am : link
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I would put McAdoo on a one way bus but they won't unless things get far worse.


0-5, injuries piling up (starting 3 WRs all out), team in complete disarray, its hard to imagine things could get any worse.
Oh bull  
jeff57 : 10/10/2017 8:31 am : link
This is on Reese. All you have to do is look to the OL and LB. Not just one year, but constantly.
RE: I think the Giants can fix this  
bradshaw44 : 10/10/2017 8:43 am : link
In comment 13640747 Simms11 said:
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in the off-season. Get the oline straightened out, another tall receiver, veteran RB (preferably someone with power), and another OC. On D need a speedy LBer who can cover, another pass rusher and CB depth. Giants also will have an easier schedule next year and a very good draft position in each round. Biggest question I have is who wl be making the selections in the draft.


This has been the mantra for 5 years now. This team is done. Time to reboot.
RE: I can t understans  
jvm52106 : 10/10/2017 8:45 am : link
In comment 13640734 joeinpa said:
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Why so many of you are convinced Mara doesn't make changes if this season continues to go south.


With how things are falling apart, the way the season ended last year, including the dumb fuc%%ng boat trip and how things are going now, I would say nobody is SAFE! This team, minus last years run which now appears to have been a mirage, needs a facelift. It needs a change in the locker room and that includes players and coaches and the GM as far as I am concerned.
if I am force to vote what will happen  
George from PA : 10/10/2017 8:57 am : link
Reese and his team remain safe.

McAdoo gets another year.

Giants career end: Richburg, Harris, Marshall.
I think there is a lot of flawed analysis...  
Reb8thVA : 10/10/2017 9:00 am : link
on this board about Reese and he being safe. Its based on the premise "The Giants don't fire GMs" and the assumption that past behavior is a predictor of future results. In some respects, we are in uncharted waters here. If we look at recent history, we had George Young as GM for more than a decade. Hes the man who returned the franchise to greatness and put it on the upswing. It was his decision to retire. He's replaced Ernie Accorsi his deputy. Accorsi's track record is mixed, there were some lean years there but also some success. I also don't recall the same vitriol ever calling for his head. Fast forward to Reese. Here is a situation where we have had remarkable success, two superbowls in 10 years, but for the last six years the results have been abysmal. The same flaws and deficiencies in the team remain unsolved and the arrow is clearly pointing down for the future. John Mara two years ago put Reese on notice. The situation today is fundamentally different than that in recent memory.

Maybe Reese manages to survive. However, there is a lot of conventional wisdom and assumptions on BBI that pass for fact.
Pat Kirwin: McAdoo Doesn't have a "Full Library".  
sinister_bee98 : 10/10/2017 9:10 am : link
Listening to NFL Radio yesterday and Kirwin was talking Giants. Brought up the injuries at WR. Said as bad as it was, the Giants should be able to shift into another mode of attack. It's expected an NFL team will have a full library of sets and ways you play, all well-rehearsed and available on demand. An NFL schedule will have lots of adversity and you have to be able to counterpunch. You can't just grind to a hault like he did last year, and last Sunday. "If it's broke, fix it."

It all ties into his overuse of 11 personnel, his 3 run plays. (As Tiki pointed out 2 weeks ago.) etc.

This isn't even touching on his lack of people skills. Even as someone who called him Ray Handley as soon as he was hired, it's almost hard to comprehend how truly bad McAdoo is. He's Mangini without the scheme. I highly doubt he will be anything more than a position coach whenever he's relieved of his duties here.
RE: RE: I think the Giants can fix this  
jeff57 : 10/10/2017 9:14 am : link
In comment 13640846 bradshaw44 said:
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In comment 13640747 Simms11 said:


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in the off-season. Get the oline straightened out, another tall receiver, veteran RB (preferably someone with power), and another OC. On D need a speedy LBer who can cover, another pass rusher and CB depth. Giants also will have an easier schedule next year and a very good draft position in each round. Biggest question I have is who wl be making the selections in the draft.



This has been the mantra for 5 years now. This team is done. Time to reboot.


1 winning season the last 6 years. What does it take to get the message.
Reese is infuriating too  
sinister_bee98 : 10/10/2017 9:20 am : link
Spends the $200M and getting an "UFA-like" return.
But the contracts that really piss me off were the ones given to Dwayne Harris, J.T. Thomas, Casillas and Vereen. $18M to Rhett Ellison? Anyone remember the O'Brien Schofield deal?

RIDICULOUS contracts. Weren't the Cowboys laughing at us for giving Harris $17M?

All the while whiffing on Brandon Graham and Devin McCourty who would be much-needed right now and a bargain at their current deals.

Incompetence in UFA and the draft.

Guy needs to go.
RE: I agree. Reese is VERY safe and so is McAdoo  
Beer Man : 10/10/2017 9:58 am : link
In comment 13640776 JohnB said:
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if he doesn't lose the locker room. If he does, he is gone. There is no point in keeping a coach that the players don't respect.
IMHO, if Reese and Mac are still on the job this time next year, there will be explosion from the Giants fan base (not just here on BBI). I believe Mara has been around long enough to know that big changes are needed at the top.
What explosion?  
George from PA : 10/10/2017 10:53 am : link
I give up my season tickets?

They have 1000s to buy them.....

As fans.....we want wins and really do not know how to fix this problem. The Giants have a ton of issues but could have won any of these games.



RE: What explosion?  
Beer Man : 10/10/2017 12:01 pm : link
In comment 13641176 George from PA said:
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I give up my season tickets?

They have 1000s to buy them.....

As fans.....we want wins and really do not know how to fix this problem. The Giants have a ton of issues but could have won any of these games.


Do you really believe that giving up your season tickets is the only way to revolt or show your dissatisfaction with the team and how it is being run? During the dark years of the 60s/70s fans still had to inherit their season ticket as the stadium was always sold out, but fans/press still let Mara and Tisch hear about it. Pressure from fans and the press can do wondrous things (albeit not always as fast as we would like)
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