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B in ALB : 10/10/2017 7:38 am
Tonight's the night. Win and in. Tie and maybe in. But it looks good for the fellas to make the WC again.

Here's the breakdown.

If the U.S. beats Trinidad and Tobago
It qualifies for the 2018 World Cup by finishing in third place in the CONCACAF region.

If the U.S. ties Trinidad and Tobago -
The U.S. will almost certainly still qualify for the World Cup. The only way the U.S. could drop out of third place would be if Panama beats Costa Rica by eight goals or Honduras beats Mexico by 12 goals. In the unthinkable event that both those happened, a tie would eliminate the U.S. If one of them happened, a tie would put the U.S. into a playoff against either Australia or Syria in November.

If the U.S. loses to Trinidad and Tobago - then if Panama beats Costa Rica and Honduras beats Mexico, then the U.S. would be eliminated and miss out on the World Cup for the first time since 1986. If Panama and Honduras lose, the U.S. would still qualify in third place. And if Panama or Honduras win but the other ties or loses, then the U.S. would finish fourth and go into that Syria/Australia playoff.

Apparently the field in TnT was completely under water and the playing conditions will be awful tonight. The field is now surrounded by a huge moat if water. Big surprise there.
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Carry them not cart.  
Maryland Giant : 10/10/2017 10:58 pm : link
Geez...my bad
Twellman kills them  
Nitro : 10/10/2017 10:59 pm : link
he's fuckin spot on
Link - ( New Window )
apparently the only road win the US  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/10/2017 11:00 pm : link
had was at St. Vincent and the Grenadines.

That's pitiful.
RE: Twellman kills them  
hitdog42 : 10/10/2017 11:05 pm : link
In comment 13642255 Nitro said:
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he's fuckin spot on Link - ( New Window )


thanks for posting. he is spot on... enough with the excuse making... enough with the fluff and bullsh%t. call it like it is.... a total embarrassment... and i love his comments on the "tough conditions"...
Belgium beat Bosnia on a cow pasture  
Nitro : 10/10/2017 11:07 pm : link
was a great mic drop line
They deserve all the criticism they get  
Go Terps : 10/10/2017 11:08 pm : link
The killer match was against Costa Rica in Harrison, imo. That's when the storm clouds became visible.
Something that's interesting...  
Go Terps : 10/10/2017 11:09 pm : link
MLS has been a boon for the other CONCACAF teams.
I'm sure there's US guys who play in the MLS  
Nitro : 10/10/2017 11:11 pm : link
than the retreads we trot out there.
took me the last 90 minutes to calm down  
TexasGmenFan : 10/10/2017 11:12 pm : link
this is among the most disappointing sports nights i can recall. the last time we missed a WC, i was 3 years old. have played soccer (and baseball) since i was 4.

this is completely and utterly inexcusable. i can fucking spit fire right now. CONCACAF has been set up for US/Mexico to go through every fucking time and somehow we couldn't get a result against a goddamn team that managed a -11 GD and 6 pts in the hex with EVERYTHING on the line? this entire outfit is systemically broken. i used to think it could get no worse than '98...i was brutally wrong.

a shit Giants season and we regain at least some semblance of hope again 9-10 months later. here? we are waiting 4 years just to get back to this point and ultimately at least 8 years between US world cup matches.

Gulati - OUT
Arena - OUT

gut the fucking system. this is pathetic beyond words.
the defenders on the U17 Us team  
hitdog42 : 10/10/2017 11:13 pm : link
are better then 3 of the 4 guys we trotted out there tonight.
Have been watching quite a bit of that and thank god those kids have a clue. its real soccer, not the sh%t these guys put out there.
In a sea of stupid things I've seen today, this takes the cake.  
guitarguybs12 : 10/10/2017 11:13 pm : link
Quote:
Jeff Carlisle‏
@JeffreyCarlisle
Gulati: “You don’t make wholesale changes on a ball being two inches wide or two inches in...We’ll look at everything.” #usmnt
There is no feasible way Gulati can survive this  
Nitro : 10/10/2017 11:13 pm : link
is there?
But at the end of the day - this was the squad distribution tonight  
Nitro : 10/10/2017 11:15 pm : link
Dortmund (1), Stoke (1), Newcastle (1), Fulham (1), Hamburg (1), Liga MX (3), MLS (17).

There's a clear failure point here..
this was called  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/10/2017 11:18 pm : link
a goal for Panama. Just a complete joke.

Maybe if these corrupt Fifa scumbags put money into the game instead of their pockets, there would be goalline technology
https://twitter.com/JogaBonitoUSA/status/917927959687770112 - ( New Window )
Gulati is up for re-election (or not) in February  
Del Shofner : 10/10/2017 11:22 pm : link
at the USSF annual convention. He already has challengers this time, and I would be surprised if he is re-elected now - assuming he decides to run again, which he may not.
Del  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/10/2017 11:26 pm : link
who are the other people vying for the position?
RE: Del  
Del Shofner : 10/10/2017 11:46 pm : link
In comment 13642272 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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who are the other people vying for the position?


That i'm aware of so far, Steven Gans and possibly Eric Wynalda. Google "Sunil Gulati election" and you'll see articles about this.
thanks  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/10/2017 11:47 pm : link
I'll do that.
This loss is the result of a number of factors  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/10/2017 11:52 pm : link
And it's interesting that between the Twellman rant and the beIN postgame, you started to see this demise was a puzzle with multiple pieces, not just Klinsmann or Arena or Gulati.

We talked a few months back about how this was a transition cycle for the US, but this was just a bad mix of players who never gelled with poor leadership (Bradley was subtly thrown under the bus on the beIN postgame).

But underlying that was a Reese-like arrogance that US Soccer seemed intent on telling us how great MLS was instead of fixing the back four and other problems in the team.
Two issues that will need to be addressed in the coming months/years  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/11/2017 12:02 am : link
1. Pay to play has got to go. I think we all can agree on that.

2. Is what is good for MLS = what is good for US Soccer?
All the finger pointing, all this team had to do was tie the worst  
PatersonPlank : 10/11/2017 1:15 am : link
team in the bracket. A team that had only won 1 game out of the 9 they played. This had nothing to do with Klingsman or anything else. The team choked.
So who to root for in the WC?  
B in ALB : 10/11/2017 6:58 am : link
I'm going with Iceland.

Holy crap, what a thing  
section125 : 10/11/2017 7:08 am : link
to wake up to... losing to TnT.
I watched all but 3 games of the entire WC 2014. Guess I won't be doing it this time.

This may set back US Soccer for years. Signing Klinsmann was a disaster and holding him as long as they did doomed this team. Thought certain Arena would be able to hold court, but NOOOOO.

This is almost as disappointing as the Giants 0-5 start, maybe more.
Still shocked  
nyynyg : 10/11/2017 7:10 am : link
By where we are right now as a US soccer program. This situation is baffling

I often wonder whether we are even fielding the best squad when you look all the way down to u17 and whether the current staff has the right approach in their selection criteria. I just can't see how this is our best squad we can put together.

Absolutely stunned.
RE: Holy crap, what a thing  
AnnapolisMike : 10/11/2017 7:26 am : link
In comment 13642324 section125 said:
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to wake up to... losing to TnT.
I watched all but 3 games of the entire WC 2014. Guess I won't be doing it this time.

This may set back US Soccer for years. Signing Klinsmann was a disaster and holding him as long as they did doomed this team. Thought certain Arena would be able to hold court, but NOOOOO.

This is almost as disappointing as the Giants 0-5 start, maybe more.


worse...The World Cup is the greatest sporting event in the world, and the US is not going to be represented. That is embarrassing.
Fox Sports paid a half a billion to get the WC rights  
B in ALB : 10/11/2017 7:35 am : link
And will have something like 400 hours of coverage. It will be the largest production in the history of the sport.

And the hometown team didn't make it. What a fucking disgrace.
Bruce Arena  
B in ALB : 10/11/2017 7:37 am : link
"There's nothing wrong with what we're doing," he said. "Certainly as our league grows, it advances the national team program. We have some good young players come up.

"Nothing has to change. To make any kind of crazy changes I think would be foolish. We're building a good system in our professional league. We have players playing abroad of some quality.

"There's enough there. There's no excuses for us not qualifying for the World Cup."


These guys are fucking delusional.
The comments from Arena and Gulati  
OlyWABigBlue : 10/11/2017 7:47 am : link
just reinforce the perception of institutional rot, apathy and entitlement.
The comments are pathetic  
hitdog42 : 10/11/2017 7:50 am : link
As was the performance and the effort and the lineup and the process
Not sure how anyone  
nyynyg : 10/11/2017 7:59 am : link
Including Arena could watch the disqualifying campaign and say that nothing is wrong. It is clear as Day.

The thing that bothers me most is the portion he is right about, on a skill level, I think the US team has come far over the last decade which makes it a mystery as to how those teams could qualify for the WC and this one was so inept.
As Terps noted  
OlyWABigBlue : 10/11/2017 8:00 am : link
MLS has been good for other CONCACAF programs. Of the Honduran and Panamanian goal scorers, Elis and Qioto are good, dynamic players for Houston but hardly elite, Torres (Panama) is a very good payer for Seattle but is more of a glue guy than a standout. The league definitely has and is producing/developing talent but somehow the USSF can't capitalize on it when it has by far, the most talent available to it outside of Mexico. If Gulati and Arena ever get out of cover-your-ass mode, they might just see that.
I'd let both..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/11/2017 8:03 am : link
Gulati and Arena go today and point to their embarrassing comments as reason enough.

We just missed out on an every 4-year event because of mismanagement of the team.

Clean house at the top and the new people will hopefully settle on what's needed at the bottom.
Tab Ramos has to be considered  
B in ALB : 10/11/2017 8:18 am : link
He's doing an excellent job with the kids. Flanked by Friedel and some others.

I'd be interested in some thoughts about how to eliminate the pay for play culture that has overtaken US soccer.
RE: They deserve all the criticism they get  
RobCarpenter : 10/11/2017 8:19 am : link
In comment 13642261 Go Terps said:
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The killer match was against Costa Rica in Harrison, imo. That's when the storm clouds became visible.


Nothing like scheduling a game in what became a neutral site b/c of all the Costa Rican fans. Your home turf should be an advantage.

F the USSF.
Also interested in why the country  
hitdog42 : 10/11/2017 8:21 am : link
Is incapable of developing defenders
THe back line we trot out there is not World Cup worthy. Bad positioning, bad foot skills, bad service, bad everything
Still Angry  
Jeffrey : 10/11/2017 8:49 am : link
Somehow thought that a few hours of sleep would give me new perspective, but not a chance. JK, Arena, Gulati and the players are all to blame and everyone should be gone.

However, this narrative about disrespecting and not using the MLS players more has to stop. This team is filled with MLS players. Dempsey, Bradley, Altidore, Howard, Guzan, Nagbe,Gonzales (until recently), Besler, Morris, Zardes, Wondo, McCarty, Zusi,Rimando,Acosta,---17 out of 25 on the roster all MLS players. They were coached by an MLS coach.

The problem is not where they play but how they are used and in what combinations and with what strategy. Arena was as clueless as JK. In reality, two European based players, if fully fit would have helped last night in Fabian Johnson and Brooks. Yet, that would have been a stopgap measure that simply concealed the overall flaws in the US system, and its lack of consistency and direction. Time for lots of change as we become everyone else's "practice" game while they ready for the WC and American soccer has been set back decades.
For those comments alone  
TexasGmenFan : 10/11/2017 9:02 am : link
Arena should be on his ass today.

Way to not call up Cameron or have Fabian on the roster for the last couple of matches. Fuck you for saying there's no problem. We just missed out on the world cup for the first time in 8 cycles. Asshole.

Like I said earlier CONCACAF is perfectly suited to allow Mexico and the US to being playing in the WC as regulars. Yet we lost to the fucking cupcake of the group with everything on the line. This is surreal.
American Soccer is not "set back decades"  
jv : 10/11/2017 9:06 am : link
This is an unreal disappointment and beyond a doubt a wasted opportunity but the program will be fine. If you want to look on the bright side, this disappointment is going to press issues that are long overdue.

Pay to play is immediately getting major attention and perhaps with this continued noise will be a thing of a past.

Arena is for sure a goner. Plenty of time to identify a replacement coach who will develop and field a time with some sort of identity.

We're going to graduate some players and perhaps for the better. Howard, Guzan, and Rimando have been great players for us but their well past their prime. We need to move forward with the wealth of younger keepers and see what the cupboard holds. Players like Hamid, Jesse Gonzalez, and Horvath deserve a shot to show they can help us. Field players like Dempsey, Bedoya, Wondo, Zusi, Beasley, perhaps even Bradley need to be pushed out by a younger generation. The talent is there... We just need a coach to use it properly.

This may be the force to drive Gulati out at last... We need some fresh minds to look at the program and identify how we're going to improve it and what direction we want to take for the next 4 years. It cannot be more of the same...
Being "set back decades"  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/11/2017 9:14 am : link
is probably an exaggeration, but what the US needs to do is to take a long, hard look at player development. Our domestic academies still drive development "by the book" resulting in technically sound players, often taking marginal players and making them serviceable, but developing superstars tends to happen in International academies.

I don't know how we remedy that shortcoming. The fault doesn't lie in the domestic league. It lies in the issues that exist in player development
RE: Tab Ramos has to be considered  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/11/2017 9:19 am : link
In comment 13642361 B in ALB said:
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He's doing an excellent job with the kids. Flanked by Friedel and some others.

I'd be interested in some thoughts about how to eliminate the pay for play culture that has overtaken US soccer.


I don't think there's a way to kill it, but you have to focus investment in inner-city programs. Free youth programs in key markets where you have franchises that serve as a breeding ground for academy players.
Perhaps  
lawguy9801 : 10/11/2017 9:46 am : link
We should look at how perennial successful nations develop their players....and do what they do?

There are countless articles online as to how soccer is a wealthy suburban sport in the US while in most of the rest of the world it is played by people of all economic backgrounds - which is at the root of the USMNT's perennial underachieving status.

If we could funnel the kids from Spanish-speaking and other immigrant communities where soccer is king into our national team programs, instead of relying on children of well-to-do families who have paid thousands of dollars per year for a decade or more for expensive travel teams, we would be a perennial top-10 team in the world.

It's all sitting right there to be taken advantage of, and yet US Soccer bumbled its way into being embarrassed on the world stage.

What a week to be a fan of the Giants and the USMNT. It can only get better from here....right?!?!

RE: Being  
Jeffrey : 10/11/2017 9:51 am : link
In comment 13642426 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is probably an exaggeration, but what the US needs to do is to take a long, hard look at player development. Our domestic academies still drive development "by the book" resulting in technically sound players, often taking marginal players and making them serviceable, but developing superstars tends to happen in International academies.

I don't know how we remedy that shortcoming. The fault doesn't lie in the domestic league. It lies in the issues that exist in player development


Agree that "set back decades" could be an overstatement, but that depends upon what happens next. As much as people disliked JK, he was right in talking about the need to bring some uniformity and consistency to the national training program for kids.

We are losing the opportunity in American soccer to develop the 13-16 year old age group. Travel squads are very expensive and start to lose players in that age to high school sports that are free, local and easier for parents. The ODP system was a complete failure. The academies are still not numerous enough or available enough to reach the vast majority of kids or the families with limited means.

set back decades?  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/11/2017 10:41 am : link
the only sliver or a silver lining is that perhaps this may be the catalyst so that the US is in a better shape decades from now than if we continued to qualify and if the institutional problems of US soccer continued to fester.

Unfortunately, it's devastating in the short-term and was an unnecessary evil. The US should have qualified with its eyes closed and also should have addressed its institutional problems.

I think these MLS academies are a step in the right direction-- it seems that the sheer number of young US players in European leagues as a result of MLS academies has gone up over the last decade.

The problem is that it's not nearly enough.

But there are a lot of young names getting bandied about that, while I admittedly only know them as names, seem to have more promise than when the current crop were youngsters (Sargent, Green, Brooks, Hyndman, Accosta, McKinnie, Carleton, Miazga, etc)
Go watch the extended Twellman rant - the full 8 minutes  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/11/2017 10:51 am : link
He goes into the "arrogance" among many in US Soccer and MLS, and to me Arena personified a lot of that arrogance since Klinsmann waa axed.

Klinsmann was an inept coach, but he wasn't wrong in spirit on the player development part. They need a well-rounded technical director who can build a system and style of play. Maybe it's Tab Ramos.
this graphic says a lot  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/11/2017 10:54 am : link
I don't that  
jv : 10/11/2017 11:02 am : link
your graphic tells the whole story... I think there's been an over-reliance on the 30+ year old players... Part of that IMO comes with keeping a coach into a 2nd World Cup cycle. Klinsmann undoubtedly had "his guys" and he was going to stick with those guys. Coaches in all sports are guilty of it. Once he was replaced Arena basically said he would lean on the experienced players which is what he did. There was no time to try guys in different spots and give a younger generation a chance. Arena went with what he felt was the safe move.

I think that 25-29 year old generation is out there... They've just been ignored...
Still tough to believe on the day after  
Go Terps : 10/11/2017 11:50 am : link
Gulati and Arena absolutely must be replaced, there can be no question.

But for right now, that's the only thing that's certain. I don't know who should take Gulati's place, and I don't have a firm opinion on who should be the next manager. A lot will depend on what the answers are to some very fundamental questions:

- What kind of soccer should USMNT be playing?
- What should the relationship be with MLS?
- What are the goals for the youth teams, and how will they be tied to the senior team?
RE: On the other hand  
Ceez2.0 : 10/11/2017 1:01 pm : link
In comment 13642220 OlyWABigBlue said:
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Chile and the Netherlands are far superior teams to the US and they'll be golfing too. But still, there was no excuse to be in a possible elimination spot on decision day and to shit the bed on decision day is a completely due to lack of heart. The conditions were the same for both teams. The US squad has some big decisions coming up, not the least of which is WTF to do about keeper going forward.


The Conmebol and UEFA leagues are vastly superior (it is not even close) so i wouldn't take solace in Chile and the Dutch missing the WC.....

RE: RE: On the other hand  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/11/2017 1:23 pm : link
In comment 13642848 Ceez2.0 said:
Quote:
In comment 13642220 OlyWABigBlue said:


Quote:


Chile and the Netherlands are far superior teams to the US and they'll be golfing too. But still, there was no excuse to be in a possible elimination spot on decision day and to shit the bed on decision day is a completely due to lack of heart. The conditions were the same for both teams. The US squad has some big decisions coming up, not the least of which is WTF to do about keeper going forward.



The Conmebol and UEFA leagues are vastly superior (it is not even close) so i wouldn't take solace in Chile and the Dutch missing the WC.....


Not according to Bruce Arena. Oops...
Consequences of Last Night's Defeat  
Jeffrey : 10/11/2017 2:29 pm : link
While there may be a little overreaction going on to last night's fiasco, it is difficult to overstate the damage to the development of a strong interest in soccer in this country. Contrary to what some may believe, MLS attendance (backing out the two new franchises) is down from 2016. When USMNT friendlies or qualifiers are played in this country attendance is still an open question. Even when the attendance figures are good, there is a significant chance of the stadium being filled with supporters of the opposing team--from Mexico or Latin America. It's not as if the support can sustain itself without some representation of the national team on the international stage. That is the challenge for the next 6 years until qualifying begins again.
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