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DC Gmen Fan : 10/10/2017 8:17 am
Nice bounce back games since Friday.
Was very emotional at the post game presser last night. I hope he's back. I think he does a great job 90% of the time and I don't think he's fully appreciated here.
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If Girardi decides to leave  
RetroJint : 10/10/2017 1:15 pm : link
and that's the only way he won't be back, the Steinbrenners are big on Thompson , who is an analytics geek with a considerable run as bench coach. Hey, Joe Maddon started under Scioscia .

If the Yankees lose Wed night, Girardi's poor decision will be long remembered . The most rabid of fans will blame him for losing the series. Not fair, at all. But it comes with the territory . I didn't like him putting Torreyes into that game late, either . Especially at third . He is the worst glove the Yankees have had at the hot corner since Rich McKinney . Yeah Frazier had two screw ups earlier but both he and Headley would have kept that ball on the skin, giving you at least a chance to survive the inning. And getting picked off as a pinch-runner? I've coached baseball for years. Inserting a runner who then gets picked off a base would give me the dry heaves .

He's been a good manager. I hope he leaves. Takes a couple years off, then comes back fresh for someone else. Maybe the Cubs.
RE: Victor  
Victor in CT : 10/10/2017 1:23 pm : link
In comment 13641222 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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that's perhaps the hardest decision a manager has to make-- when you have a pitcher that is performing well though you know he is prone to fall apart near that stage in the game with a completely loaded bullpen.

It's a decision that gets graded in hindsight. I haven't looked at the data, but I'm sure it's not pretty when you look at CC's performances over the last season or three when he faces batters for the 3rd time (I'm not sure where he was in the lineup when he was pulled).

Yeah, he was retiring batter after batter along for a handful of innings (outside the first where he was getting hit hard), but how much trust do you put into that without considering where he was at his pitch count?

The Yankees bullpen, on the other hand, has been phenomenal and has enough arms to handle th game the rest of the way.

He could have let CC in given the lead they had, but I can't knock him for the decision that i"m not even sure was wrong.


I do have a bias towards going deep as posible with the starter. He only threw 77 pitches and the bullpen was a little gassed because of the WC game.
Whatever, the main thing is they live to fight another day, Sevi gave them length last night, and the bullpen should be well rested for Game 5.
I typically agree  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/10/2017 1:49 pm : link
with letting a starter who is rolling continue to roll until he shows signs of losing it, because you never know how the reliever will come out. But with the quality of this bullpen and my lack of faith in CC that late in the game at this point in his career, I understand the decision either way.

The end result whether CC was in or a reliever was brought in should not have been a 4-run inning.
I actually think that Girardi has had a great year.  
yatqb : 10/10/2017 3:01 pm : link
Certainly, some of his in-game choices can be questioned. But he LED this team of kids to a phenomenal season, far surpassing what anyone, from Cashman to Hal to any of us, could have expected. And, imo, leadership, and developing a team with resilience, confidence AND RESULTS, should be the greatest measure of his performance this year.
RE: I dunno  
Percy : 10/10/2017 10:13 pm : link
In comment 13641342 Bill2 said:
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Its impossible to defend the bad decision.

All the rest are understandable. . . .
True throughout.He's human. We all make mistakes, some of which are large. But much of what he's done has been for the better. That's not a small part of how they got here and why they're still in it.
How could anyone claim that he didn't take responsibility?  
manh george : 10/11/2017 8:53 am : link
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"I take responsibility for everything, and I feel horrible about it," he said, according to MLB.com's Bryan Hoch. "I screwed up. It's hard. It's a hard day for me. But I've got to move forward and we'll be ready to go tomorrow."


As far as criticizing taking CC out, I think we have some frontrunners here. It's exactly the way he managed all year. This time it didn't work, but usually it has.

Finally, the team has done better than practically anyone envisioned. Does Girardi get any credit for that? The deep slump when Chapman, Betances and Judge all stopped being effective at once created an illusion that somehow Girardi became a bad manager.
Compare the Yankees position by position  
GentleGiant : 10/11/2017 10:54 am : link
to the Red Sox. The Sox won the division with 1 pitcher. The Yankees had 4. The Sox had one reliable arm in the bullpen. The Yankees 2017 bullpen might be the best ever assembled. The Yankees had 3 starters with career years and many others who had better than average years, the Sox had one, Benitendi who was their #4 hitter and he didn't break 90rbi, the rest of their starters are all down from their career averages. For all that, their WS winning manager is out of a job today. That's the standard. Joe's a nice guy and easy to root for but to say he overachieved is delusional.
The Red Sox only had one pitcher?  
jcn56 : 10/11/2017 11:05 am : link
Were they running the 3rd basement out to the mound for some games that I missed?
RE: Compare the Yankees position by position  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/11/2017 11:08 am : link
In comment 13642614 GentleGiant said:
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to the Red Sox. The Sox won the division with 1 pitcher. The Yankees had 4. The Sox had one reliable arm in the bullpen. The Yankees 2017 bullpen might be the best ever assembled. The Yankees had 3 starters with career years and many others who had better than average years, the Sox had one, Benitendi who was their #4 hitter and he didn't break 90rbi, the rest of their starters are all down from their career averages. For all that, their WS winning manager is out of a job today. That's the standard. Joe's a nice guy and easy to root for but to say he overachieved is delusional.


GentleGiant, I would like to remind you that going into the season, here were the win projections from Vegas, from Fangraphs, and from PECOTA (Baseball Prospectus), compared with actual results.

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Team......Vegas....Fngrphs...BP...Actual
Red Sox...92.5......91..........90......93
Yankees...82.5......81..........82......91



Source: https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2017/3/30/15115578/mlb-over-under-bet-2017
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/215591304/mlb-pecota-projections-2017-breakdown
RE: As a met fan  
djm : 10/11/2017 11:13 am : link
In comment 13640890 gmenatlarge said:
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I would take Girardi in a heartbeat as manager. Yes he screwed up on Friday, get over it. I think some Yankee fans are WAY spoiled and don't appreciate a good manager when you have one.


There were and are people here that destroyed Torre on a regular basis. Granted he left some things to be desired over the last 5 or so seasons here with the Yanks but the guy won four WS titles. FOUR! The night the Yanks beat the Phillies or Angels in 2009 people were killing Torre then too. I thought it rather odd and maybe even a bit terrible that fans would revert to hating on a former mgr during an otherwise glorious night but then I remembered NYG fans crushing Tiki Barber at the super bowl 42 parade. Fans like to boo and bitch.
Devers probably would have done a better job  
GentleGiant : 10/11/2017 11:14 am : link
better than Fister. The fact is that the Red Sox won the division just by beating the teams that were worse than them. The Yankees blew a lot of winnable games this year, and that's on Girardi.
he should have challenged  
djm : 10/11/2017 11:17 am : link
but does anyone here honestly believe that Girardi was told by numerous people the bat hit the ball? Seriously? And Girardi just ignored everyone? Why? Because of binders? BEcause he just wanted to be a dick?

His replay guy fucked up. It's as clear as day. You can see the confusion and concern on Girardi's face as he eschewed the replay option. He wasn't sure. If he was sure or was told by someone that it looked like a bat tip he would have challenged. Doesn't that theory make a lot more sense than Girardi just ignoring all the tell tale signs? It does to me...
RE: he should have challenged  
Matt M. : 10/11/2017 11:23 am : link
In comment 13642651 djm said:
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but does anyone here honestly believe that Girardi was told by numerous people the bat hit the ball? Seriously? And Girardi just ignored everyone? Why? Because of binders? BEcause he just wanted to be a dick?

His replay guy fucked up. It's as clear as day. You can see the confusion and concern on Girardi's face as he eschewed the replay option. He wasn't sure. If he was sure or was told by someone that it looked like a bat tip he would have challenged. Doesn't that theory make a lot more sense than Girardi just ignoring all the tell tale signs? It does to me...
His catcher told him to review it.
A team that was considered too young to contend this year  
Mr. Bungle : 10/11/2017 11:46 am : link
is one win away from knocking off the best team in the American League and advancing to the ALCS.

But, sure, get rid of the bum who managed them to this point (and possibly beyond).
RE: he should have challenged  
Greg from LI : 10/11/2017 11:50 am : link
In comment 13642651 djm said:
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but does anyone here honestly believe that Girardi was told by numerous people the bat hit the ball?


I know Sanchez told him. Rather emphatically, actually. He should have showed some faith in his catcher there, particularly because baseball isn't football - there's no penalty for a failed challenge. He had nothing to lose.

Also, though there's no need to rehash everything again, Yankee fans had very good reasons to be extremely frustrated with late-stage Joe Torre. His blundering in the 2003 and 2004 postseasons was egregious and devastating.
RE: RE: Compare the Yankees position by position  
GentleGiant : 10/11/2017 11:51 am : link
In comment 13642640 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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In comment 13642614 GentleGiant said:


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to the Red Sox. The Sox won the division with 1 pitcher. The Yankees had 4. The Sox had one reliable arm in the bullpen. The Yankees 2017 bullpen might be the best ever assembled. The Yankees had 3 starters with career years and many others who had better than average years, the Sox had one, Benitendi who was their #4 hitter and he didn't break 90rbi, the rest of their starters are all down from their career averages. For all that, their WS winning manager is out of a job today. That's the standard. Joe's a nice guy and easy to root for but to say he overachieved is delusional.



GentleGiant, I would like to remind you that going into the season, here were the win projections from Vegas, from Fangraphs, and from PECOTA (Baseball Prospectus), compared with actual results.



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Team......Vegas....Fngrphs...BP...Actual
Red Sox...92.5......91..........90......93
Yankees...82.5......81..........82......91




Source: https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2017/3/30/15115578/mlb-over-under-bet-2017
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/215591304/mlb-pecota-projections-2017-breakdown


Interesting. The Sox underachieved across the board on an individual basis and still matched their prediction. I can't imagine the Yankees matching their preseason prediction if just Aaron Judge had an average year. The hr bailed out Joe's incompetence out all season long. In fact, before game 4 the Yankees only had 1 rbi not via the HR in this series.

Every year I watch the playoffs and the most successful teams manufacture runs when necessary, mostly because playoff pitchers are playoff pitchers because they are stingy with runners on base. Joe never did it during the season and now his players are rusty when the opportunity arises - see Torreyes straying too far off the bag in the pivotal game 2. He never uses the hit and run, his players never hit behind the runner with 2 strikes and he never even starts a runner to keep out of the dp. He's unprepared, even though he used this tool efficiently in his 2009 run and watched Torre do it during the dynasty years.

I guess he's the smart one because no one ever second guesses the manager when the team doesn't plate the lead off double with a hit but woe betide the manager who gives up an out via the bunt and doesn't get the run in.
RE: A team that was considered too young to contend this year  
GentleGiant : 10/11/2017 11:54 am : link
In comment 13642693 Mr. Bungle said:
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is one win away from knocking off the best team in the American League and advancing to the ALCS.

But, sure, get rid of the bum who managed them to this point (and possibly beyond).


Wasn't that the Mets two years ago? It all came together for the Yankees this year. This may be their only shot. I'll bet Cashman is kicking himself right now for not going after Verlander harder.
oh, so there's another SMALLBALL!1!!1! fan  
Greg from LI : 10/11/2017 11:59 am : link
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arcarsenal : 10/11/2017 12:01 pm : link
I'd gladly take Girardi in Flushing.

I've liked him as a manger since he was in Florida.

Baseball fans love to bitch and complain about mangers. Girardi had a very forgettable night during game 2. As bad as it gets for a manager. But I'm pretty sure that's a mistake he'll never make again.

The 180 people have done in a 3-4 day span has been entertaining.... but it's postseason baseball, I supposed emotions run wild this time of year.
Girardi has his strengths and weaknesses like anyone else  
Greg from LI : 10/11/2017 12:08 pm : link
He's a pretty steady presence. Players generally seem to like him. He isn't nearly as resistant to working youngsters into the lineup as, say, Joe Torre was. Over the course of his Yankee tenure, he's done a nice job of juggling relievers to prevent anyone from getting burned out.

On the other hand, he's no tactician. His bullpen usage this year was a step back from the past, notably his reluctance to stop using pitchers who were clearly struggling. His loyalty to first Clippard and then Betances/Chapman cost them several games.

You could definitely do a lot worse.
RE: oh, so there's another SMALLBALL!1!!1! fan  
GentleGiant : 10/11/2017 12:08 pm : link
In comment 13642725 Greg from LI said:
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The last two WS champion managers were big proponents of small ball.
RE: .  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/11/2017 12:09 pm : link
In comment 13642731 arcarsenal said:
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I'd gladly take Girardi in Flushing.

I've liked him as a manger since he was in Florida.

Baseball fans love to bitch and complain about mangers. Girardi had a very forgettable night during game 2. As bad as it gets for a manager. But I'm pretty sure that's a mistake he'll never make again.

The 180 people have done in a 3-4 day span has been entertaining.... but it's postseason baseball, I supposed emotions run wild this time of year.

I assure you, that night is the absolute polar opposite of "forgettable."
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arcarsenal : 10/11/2017 12:14 pm : link
Well, I'm sure it's a night Joe would prefer to forget...

Alas, my point remains, I think the good outweighs the bad with him. Any manager who is around a few years will wind up with fans criticizing him. It's just the nature of the game - it's rife with second guessing and hindsight.

You could certainly do much worse.
The biggest takeaway I had from his mistakes in game 2  
Pete in 'Vliet : 10/11/2017 12:57 pm : link
was that it seemed he wasn't trusting his players. CC was rolling, but Girardi pulled him to folow his pregame plan. Sanchez was the only Yankee who was in position to see that ball hit the knob of the bat. Yet, even as a former catcher, Girardi ignored him.

I was afraid he would start to lose the clubhouse going into games 3 & 4. If that happened, there would need to be a real disscussion of whether he was the right guy moving forward. BUT, the team rallied for him and picked him up after a bad game.

Girardi is still a top tier manager IMO. He can be too analytical at times and rely too much on his binder. But as long as he still had the support of his players he can still learn from his mistakes and continue to call better games.

The next 5 years or more have the potential to be big for the Yanks. We know what we have in Joe. As long as the players still have his back there is no reason to remove him. Its a big risk to move to an unknown at this point.
the Yankees  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/11/2017 1:00 pm : link
had the second best offense and second best run differential in all of baseball, and suddenly Girardi mismanaged the regular season?

Baseball is fluky and the postseason is a crap-shoot.

Yes, a team is best built for the postseason, offensively, if they can combine HR power with the ability to produce runs in other ways.

But characterizing the Yankees as a HR-or-bust offense misses the mark.

HRs: 1st (in a HR-heavy park. Astros were 2nd, 241 to 238)

OBP: 3rd

Bating Average: 7th (teams above them were Astros, Rockies, Marlins, Nationals, Indians Braves).

Strikeout%: 18th (low, but not terrible, especially in light of HR powers) The Astros were 2nd in HR with least Ks. Remarkable!

Walk %: 3rd

Sac Flies: 2nd

Hits not from HRs: 15th

Stolen Bases: 12th

Baserunning Score (per FG): 5th
you conveniently left  
GentleGiant : 10/11/2017 1:12 pm : link
out LOB. 26 more than any other team in baseball. The Yankees played 44 one run games this year and lost the division by 2 games. Girardi never even made an attempt to correct this glaring deficiency. To this day players are still swinging from their heels with 0 outs, 2 strikes and runners in scoring position. That's not winning baseball. That will never change unless Girardi does and I don't think he is capable of it at this point in his career.
I didn't conveniently  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/11/2017 1:28 pm : link
leave it off. "Left on base" is a misleading statistic. You put a lot of guys on base and you'll leave a lot of guys on base.

The Yankees left the most guys on base. The top 5 teams in baseball in LOB all made the playoffs (Yankees, Indians, Red Sox, Twins, Cubs). Houston was 8th in guys left on base.

Last year, the Cubs led MLB in guys left on base.

You saw the Yankees strand a lot of runners because you watched a very good offense all season long.

Pointing to 1-run games is also meaningless as it's a crapshoot as well. In 2012, everyone fellated the Orioles for how historic they were in 1-run games (22-9). In 2013, with a very similar roster they were 20-31 in such games.
and leaving RISP  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/11/2017 1:37 pm : link
The Yankees were 2nd in stranding RISP behind the Indians. The top 6 teams in this all made the postseason. Put a lot of guys on base, strand a lot of guys on base.

The Yankees stranded 3.69 RISP per game. The Astros stranded 3.38.

The Yankees were 25th in batting average with RISP and 2 outs. No doubt it was something they struggled with.

But when you constantly put guys in scoring position, you don't have to be as efficient as other teams. You can't have it all with an offense.
The Orioles  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/11/2017 1:40 pm : link
were the 3rd best offense with RISP and 2 outs.

You want to trade offenses with them?
RE: and leaving RISP  
Dan in the Springs : 10/11/2017 1:47 pm : link
In comment 13642899 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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The Yankees were 2nd in stranding RISP behind the Indians. The top 6 teams in this all made the postseason. Put a lot of guys on base, strand a lot of guys on base.

The Yankees stranded 3.69 RISP per game. The Astros stranded 3.38.

The Yankees were 25th in batting average with RISP and 2 outs. No doubt it was something they struggled with.

But when you constantly put guys in scoring position, you don't have to be as efficient as other teams. You can't have it all with an offense.


It's interesting what we find to complain about. Guess it would be better if we had no runners to strand?

As a fan, it's clearly frustrating to have so many RISP. These are emotionally draining and very memorable experiences, so we hang onto them and turn resentful toward the club for not being able to convert. The alternative of producing more often would be less memorable as it becomes the norm.

We are strange creatures sometimes.
Paul's doing WORK on this thread!  
Greg from LI : 10/11/2017 2:06 pm : link
Put a lot of guys on base and you'll likely leave a lot of them on base.
I'm using stats to reinforce  
GentleGiant : 10/11/2017 2:09 pm : link
what I've seen with my eyes for Girardi's entire career - sitting on his hands waiting for the 3 run hr. If you haven't been frustrated with the Yankees lacking ability to get runs in from scoring position with less than 2 outs then you just having been watching. The Yankees are young, fast and versatile yet Girardi refuses to make them more dynamic. It's not like they have to sacrifice one for the other. Girardi of all people should know that great slugging teams almost invariable go home early in the post season.
the one playoff team  
GentleGiant : 10/11/2017 2:13 pm : link
that is NOT on the top of the LOB list this year is done and waiting for the ALCS. I don't understand when it became a rule that teams that can get runners on base at high rate have to be one-dimensional.
jesus, dude, go root for the fucking Royals  
Greg from LI : 10/11/2017 2:16 pm : link
You'll get all the SMALLBALL!1!! you want there.
you're just upset  
GentleGiant : 10/11/2017 2:23 pm : link
because this conversation is opening that locked door in your brain where you store all the memories of Derek Jeter's failed bunt attempts. I saw the hottest hitter in baseball and probable AL MVP unsuccessfully bunt for a hit the other night. It's a big part of winning baseball if for nothing else but to keep the defense guessing.
out of the last five Yankee championship teams  
Greg from LI : 10/11/2017 2:25 pm : link
Only the 1998 team ran much.
again  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/11/2017 2:49 pm : link
12th in stolen bases, 5th in base-running score, and 2nd in sac flies.

You are harping on one issue the Yanks have had (hitting with RISP and ignoring everything else.

It's also ridiculous that you are complaining that the Yankees offense isn't as good as the best offense in baseball-- a team that was projected to have a better offense than the Yankees even before the season started.

Are you in favor of trading Aaron Judge? I ask this facetiously, because he is the epitome of everything you are complaining about with this Yankees team. In these 2-out, RISP situations, he has a terrible batting average, a lot of strikeouts and saved only by a good number of home runs. Even worse, he doesn't try to bunt for hits.

not only are the Astros the #1 offense in baseball this year  
Greg from LI : 10/11/2017 3:00 pm : link
They are *historically great*. Team OPS+ of 127? That's nuts. The best of the Yankee dynasty teams were 117 (1998). You have to go back to the Babe Ruth teams to find a Yankee lineup that was as statistically impressive as the 2017 Astros.
Bunting is typically the worst play in baseball  
BigBlueShock : 10/11/2017 3:04 pm : link
There is enough data now to prove it. That's why teams don't do it.

The Yankees had the bunt play on in game two, with nobody out and Torreyes on 2nd. How'd that work out for them. Torreyes was thrown out, but hey, at least they didn't leave any men on base!
bunting makes sense in one situation  
Greg from LI : 10/11/2017 3:20 pm : link
Man on second, nobody out in a walkoff situation. Gets the runner to third with less than two outs. Otherwise, unless you have a complete zero at the plate, it's a mistake.
RE: bunting makes sense in one situation  
BigBlueShock : 10/11/2017 3:38 pm : link
In comment 13643327 Greg from LI said:
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Man on second, nobody out in a walkoff situation. Gets the runner to third with less than two outs. Otherwise, unless you have a complete zero at the plate, it's a mistake.

I'd still rather have Gardy swing the bat there. Pull the ball to the right side and who knows, maybe it gets through. I absolutely hate giving up an out, especially with a team that strikes out as much as this one.

Not saying you're wrong, and not second guessing their decision, it's just my preference
if you're curious about the stats  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/11/2017 3:50 pm : link
here are the run scoring matrices from 2010-2015.



Information from Tom Tango (alias), who has been a consultant for MLB and NHL teams.
http://www.tangotiger.net/re24.html - ( New Window )
so in that case  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/11/2017 3:59 pm : link
of a runner on 2nd no out, it only makes sense to bunt over the runner if the team thinks it has a 93% of successfully bunting over the runner.

In other words, with a number of players who aren't used to bunting, it might not even be a wise strategy even in a walk off situation.
RE: Bunting is typically the worst play in baseball  
GentleGiant : 10/11/2017 4:04 pm : link
In comment 13643288 BigBlueShock said:
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There is enough data now to prove it. That's why teams don't do it.

The Yankees had the bunt play on in game two, with nobody out and Torreyes on 2nd. How'd that work out for them. Torreyes was thrown out, but hey, at least they didn't leave any men on base!


I already addressed Torreyes upthread, but feel free to ignore it. It's the laziest move in sports to knock a failed sacrifice bunt but flash back to the bottom of the 6th inning on Sunday night in a 0-0 game. Hicks leads off with a walk, Gardner up with Judge and Sanchez to follow - doesn't bunt (probably because of the failed bunt attempt of Friday), but grounds into double play. Immediately following - Judge walk and Sanchez single - the run would have scored. I assume I was the only person in the tristate area cursing Girardi for not bunting Gardner. Bird bails Joe out an inning later so I guess all is well - as long as the hrs keep coming- but playoff history says they won't.
RE: I actually think that Girardi has had a great year.  
rich in DC : 10/11/2017 4:28 pm : link
In comment 13641683 yatqb said:
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Certainly, some of his in-game choices can be questioned. But he LED this team of kids to a phenomenal season, far surpassing what anyone, from Cashman to Hal to any of us, could have expected. And, imo, leadership, and developing a team with resilience, confidence AND RESULTS, should be the greatest measure of his performance this year.


I think that the success this season has obscured what we have all seen over the past several years. Girardi is overly reliant on his binder and has little to no feel for the flow of the game- that manifestly showed in his removal of CC in game 2.

Girardi also does not seem to grasp strategy or nuances well either. If it isn't in the binder, it isn't in his head.

Finally, his handling of young pitchers- especially young relievers- is terrible.

I think that Girardi is in the same situation as Buck Showalter was before Torre- he was the manager that the team needed at the time- but as the team changes- the need for a new manager was apparent. I think Girardi was just the manager that the Yanks needed in their vets years- but as the team transitions to young players, a more instinctive approach to the game- as well as use of strategy is necessary- both BIG weaknesses of Girardi.

Want some possible replacements? Don Wakamatsu would be at the top of my list.
RE: RE: Bunting is typically the worst play in baseball  
BigBlueShock : 10/11/2017 4:35 pm : link
In comment 13643429 GentleGiant said:
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There is enough data now to prove it. That's why teams don't do it.

The Yankees had the bunt play on in game two, with nobody out and Torreyes on 2nd. How'd that work out for them. Torreyes was thrown out, but hey, at least they didn't leave any men on base!



I already addressed Torreyes upthread, but feel free to ignore it. It's the laziest move in sports to knock a failed sacrifice bunt but flash back to the bottom of the 6th inning on Sunday night in a 0-0 game. Hicks leads off with a walk, Gardner up with Judge and Sanchez to follow - doesn't bunt (probably because of the failed bunt attempt of Friday), but grounds into double play. Immediately following - Judge walk and Sanchez single - the run would have scored. I assume I was the only person in the tristate area cursing Girardi for not bunting Gardner. Bird bails Joe out an inning later so I guess all is well - as long as the hrs keep coming- but playoff history says they won't.

Actually, the laziest thing in all of sports is to assume that everything would have played out exactly the same way if rewound and put in another position. So if Gardner successfully bunts Hicks over, and assuming success is another issue all together btw, assuming that the next two batters play out the exact same way is asinine. You don't know how it would have played out.

The Yankees have failed a million times this season trying to play the "bunt em over" game. Friday was just example number one million. With this lineup, you simply don't give up outs in the 6th inning.
even in the face  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/11/2017 4:47 pm : link
of hard data showing that man on 1st with no outs yields more overall runs and increases the likelihood of scoring a single run over a man on second with one out, you're still complaining that it was a failure for Gardner to not bunt?


Al Pedrique is my dark horse candidate. Obviously not a big name  
Victor in CT : 10/11/2017 4:51 pm : link
but he has had a big hand in developing these young players, both on the field and in their maturity.
that's if they don't retain Girardi. I'm not suggesting they let JG go  
Victor in CT : 10/11/2017 4:53 pm : link
necessarily. But I can understand if they think 10 years is enough and dcide to move on.

Girardi may decide it's time to move on. He would be highly sought after, and he might feel that 10 years in one place is enough and needs a change
RE: even in the face  
GentleGiant : 10/11/2017 6:06 pm : link
In comment 13643556 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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of hard data showing that man on 1st with no outs yields more overall runs and increases the likelihood of scoring a single run over a man on second with one out, you're still complaining that it was a failure for Gardner to not bunt?



If stats were the be all and end all then Girardi would have 5 rings as a manager. My argument all along has been that scoring runs in the playoffs is much harder than the regular season and managers who are playoff bound need to prepare for this by priming their team for small ball in case they need to manufacture runs in October, something Girardi did only one season that I can recall, I'll let you guess which. I'd be very curious if the stats posted above can be parsed to show if there is any difference between regular and post season.
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