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DanMetroMan : 10/10/2017 9:21 am
-Man they look horrible and Hornacek already looks 10 years older than he did when he took the job. I think he's a goner after the year. He strikes me as a potential solid college coach. NBA players don't appear to respond to him

-Dotson looks like a find. I'm not saying he's a future star but I think he's going to be a long term piece of a good rotation

-Beasley in a sling (MRI did not show a major injury, they are calling it a bruise)

-Pelicans lost Rondo, Washington lost Shelvin Mac. Let's send Jack there for a conditional #2.

-Wally/Hahn ripped into KP and it was caught on a hot mic, they basically repeated their comments on-air so the hot mic stuff is a bit overrated

-THjr a sweet -21 in 28 minutes of play, defensive God Ron Baker -19 in 24 minutes of play

-Knicks to announce their jersey sponsor/logo today
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why were they ripping into KP  
mfsd : 10/10/2017 9:55 am : link
admittedly haven't been following too closely so far this preseason
They are a pitiful team. Just unwatchable.  
yatqb : 10/10/2017 9:55 am : link
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RE: They are a pitiful team. Just unwatchable.  
nygiants16 : 10/10/2017 10:00 am : link
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how? they are young what did you expect? they are rebuilding and thankfully the right way...
RE: why were they ripping into KP  
DanMetroMan : 10/10/2017 10:00 am : link
In comment 13641025 mfsd said:
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admittedly haven't been following too closely so far this preseason


Essentially that if you want to be "the man" you can't be -20 at the half. Questioned his defensive effort etc
RE: why were they ripping into KP  
nygiants16 : 10/10/2017 10:01 am : link
In comment 13641025 mfsd said:
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admittedly haven't been following too closely so far this preseason


basically that he needs to be tougher and all these little injuries he needs to learn to play through if he wants to be an all star...

they said pbviously not during preseason but when season starts he needs to be able to plah2
Made  
DanMetroMan : 10/10/2017 10:04 am : link
some cryptic comments about the locker room but never clarified.
Knicks are going to be god awful  
djm : 10/10/2017 10:09 am : link
and it's going to be glorious but with one caveat: KP might not progress. That scares me.
did KP have any of  
Enzo : 10/10/2017 10:09 am : link
this soreness or whatever during the summer during all of the games he played in Europe? It's like he gets off the plane and things start hurting.

RE: RE: Gonna be a great tank year  
Heisenberg : 10/10/2017 10:09 am : link
In comment 13641013 DanMetroMan said:
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Just stop watching the games in the 4th quarter.



That's the thing. "Most" teams in the NBA have enough talent to win some games but the difference between mediocre and bad is making stops late and this team will not be able to make stops. I predict a ton of "heart breakers".


RE: RE: why were they ripping into KP  
mfsd : 10/10/2017 10:10 am : link
In comment 13641042 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 13641025 mfsd said:


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admittedly haven't been following too closely so far this preseason



basically that he needs to be tougher and all these little injuries he needs to learn to play through if he wants to be an all star...

they said pbviously not during preseason but when season starts he needs to be able to plah2


thanks...in addition to being a pretty weak team, there's some weird juju with KP still. Hope that at least sorts itself out, while the Knicks tank the season
RE: did KP have any of  
nygiants16 : 10/10/2017 10:12 am : link
In comment 13641067 Enzo said:
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this soreness or whatever during the summer during all of the games he played in Europe? It's like he gets off the plane and things start hurting.


he had a sore knee
As a lifelong Knick fan  
yankeeslover : 10/10/2017 10:16 am : link
Am I the only one that forecast the worst record in the league but somehow after the lottery picking #4? I can see it already.
We might be the worst team in basketball this season.  
bceagle05 : 10/10/2017 10:18 am : link
Especially if KP misses his usual amount of games. Not that I'm complaining.
They have looked about how i expected...  
Italianju : 10/10/2017 10:18 am : link
especially without KP playing and with Hornacek changing the lineup to get different looks. I think the Wizard game is going to be how a lot of Knick games go. We hang around for 3 and a half quarters and then the other team pulls away.

The KP stuff is starting to make me nervous. We really need him to have a strong year and get used to being the #1.

Ive really enjoyed Dotson so far. He is very athletic. Def needs to be more aggressive on offense, but that will come. I really hope he gets minutes and doesnt get buried on the bench.

RE: They have looked about how i expected...  
nygiants16 : 10/10/2017 10:20 am : link
In comment 13641089 Italianju said:
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especially without KP playing and with Hornacek changing the lineup to get different looks. I think the Wizard game is going to be how a lot of Knick games go. We hang around for 3 and a half quarters and then the other team pulls away.

The KP stuff is starting to make me nervous. We really need him to have a strong year and get used to being the #1.

Ive really enjoyed Dotson so far. He is very athletic. Def needs to be more aggressive on offense, but that will come. I really hope he gets minutes and doesnt get buried on the bench.


dont worry dotson will be behind lance thomas because he is a leader
Dotson certainly passes the eye test.  
bceagle05 : 10/10/2017 10:21 am : link
That's a big win if he's a solid rotation piece going forward.
You guys really should have drafted Dennis Smith Jr.  
GiantFilthy : 10/10/2017 10:22 am : link
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I seriously dont care that the knicks...  
Italianju : 10/10/2017 10:26 am : link
are going to suck this year. Its an obvious building year. What is going to suck is having to watch us suck while we play 30+ year old vets with zero future with the knicks

-Pick Jack or sessions and dump the other one
-Staple Ron Baker to the bench unless people get hurt
-Trade lee and KOQ to a descent team who can use them
Dennis Smith Jr. really should've shown us his medical records.  
bceagle05 : 10/10/2017 10:26 am : link
Knicks will be able to get a dynamic scorer at the top of next year's draft.
RE: They have looked about how i expected...  
DanMetroMan : 10/10/2017 10:28 am : link
In comment 13641089 Italianju said:
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especially without KP playing and with Hornacek changing the lineup to get different looks. I think the Wizard game is going to be how a lot of Knick games go. We hang around for 3 and a half quarters and then the other team pulls away.

The KP stuff is starting to make me nervous. We really need him to have a strong year and get used to being the #1.

Ive really enjoyed Dotson so far. He is very athletic. Def needs to be more aggressive on offense, but that will come. I really hope he gets minutes and doesnt get buried on the bench.


My concern is him finding minutes for a coach trying to save his job. THjr will get the majority of the 2 minutes so Lee/McDermott/Beasley/Kuz/Thomas... Hopefully guys like Lee are dealt.

Begley  
Enzo : 10/10/2017 10:29 am : link
with a detailed look the Knicks' cap situation going forward. Mills/Perry have some work to do...and it appears there are deals they might be able to make.
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RE: You guys really should have drafted Dennis Smith Jr.  
Enzo : 10/10/2017 10:30 am : link
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many folks here wanted him or Monk. However, it's been reported that Smith's reps wouldn't provide the Knicks with his medical records prior to the draft.
Considering  
DanMetroMan : 10/10/2017 10:31 am : link
the relatively low AAV, Lance Thomas at 3 years 22 million has to be one of the least appealing contracts in the league (again considering the overall money isn't huge).
RE: RE: You guys really should have drafted Dennis Smith Jr.  
GiantFilthy : 10/10/2017 10:33 am : link
In comment 13641114 Enzo said:
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many folks here wanted him or Monk. However, it's been reported that Smith's reps wouldn't provide the Knicks with his medical records prior to the draft.

Ah, I do recall that around draft time now that you mention it.
RE: Considering  
Enzo : 10/10/2017 10:33 am : link
In comment 13641115 DanMetroMan said:
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the relatively low AAV, Lance Thomas at 3 years 22 million has to be one of the least appealing contracts in the league (again considering the overall money isn't huge).

I think the Baker deal is worse. Luckily Lance's deal is basically unguaranteed in year 4.
KP  
brunswick : 10/10/2017 10:37 am : link
As bad as PJ was he got it right with Porzingis. His value was never going to be higher than this offseason and should have traded him. He should have accepted the Celtics package in a heartbeat and I am sure he could have gotten excellent value from the Suns, etc...The guy has so much ability but not sure if he can be the GUY. You watch him this preseason he is turning into Melo II by stopping ball movement, etc... Guys on this board are infatuated with the names (Eli is another) but it certainly appears that the rebuild is going to be alot longer than people anticiapted and not sure if KP will be part of it.
RE: Begley  
TyreeHelmet : 10/10/2017 10:52 am : link
In comment 13641110 Enzo said:
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with a detailed look the Knicks' cap situation going forward. Mills/Perry have some work to do...and it appears there are deals they might be able to make. Link - ( New Window )


Pretty much fully capped out with zero flexibility until 2020. Not the end of the world because I don't think they should be targeting any free agents in the next 2 offseasons- but it would still be nice to have some flexibility and possibly take on bad contracts for assets.

I still can't believe Ron Baker got 2 years 9 mill with a player option. What a parting gift from Phil.

I'd be all over New Orleans about making a deal. Send them Lee, Jack or Sessions or even KOQ for a protected 1st or multiple 2nds.. New Orleans needs to win now- take advantage of that.
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DanMetroMan : 10/10/2017 10:54 am : link
Ok  
DanMetroMan : 10/10/2017 10:59 am : link
Lee, KOQ and Jack to NO for Asik (2 years, cancels out Lee), Cheick Diallo (21 years old, .111 WS/48, 16.8 PER as a rookie), the Pelicans 2019 1st round pick and 2020 2nd round pick.
NO does seem like...  
Italianju : 10/10/2017 11:07 am : link
a really good partner. They need depth bad on that team. Even more so with the Rondo injury.
Squarespace.  
Heisenberg : 10/10/2017 11:20 am : link
The Knicks are basically a podcast now.
If jack got cut  
hitdog42 : 10/10/2017 11:38 am : link
He wouldn’t get a phone call. Why would any team offer anything for him? Not happening.
RE: Ok  
TyreeHelmet : 10/10/2017 12:34 pm : link
In comment 13641198 DanMetroMan said:
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Lee, KOQ and Jack to NO for Asik (2 years, cancels out Lee), Cheick Diallo (21 years old, .111 WS/48, 16.8 PER as a rookie), the Pelicans 2019 1st round pick and 2020 2nd round pick.


Sign me up
I'd hold onto Jack  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/10/2017 12:45 pm : link
the Knicks need to rebuild and develop young talent. By all accounts I've seen, Jack is a great locker room presence. I want the Knicks to have a combination of young players getting minutes, and old vets who can teach the young guns to act and prepare the right way, all while losing enough games to get a great draft pick.
I am amazed by some of the comments  
larryflower37 : 10/10/2017 12:48 pm : link
this is exactly what a tanking team looks like.
It will only get worse as the season progresses.
Hopefully, we do not lose KP and THR mentally
Interesting  
DanMetroMan : 10/10/2017 12:52 pm : link
note (something to follow with THjr). Atkinson commented that he thought THjr did well with a hardass/tough love from Coach Bud. He might have the exact opposite here, maybe a dickhead like Rambis has value after all.
RE: I'd hold onto Jack  
DanMetroMan : 10/10/2017 12:54 pm : link
In comment 13641437 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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the Knicks need to rebuild and develop young talent. By all accounts I've seen, Jack is a great locker room presence. I want the Knicks to have a combination of young players getting minutes, and old vets who can teach the young guns to act and prepare the right way, all while losing enough games to get a great draft pick.


So who are you dropping? They have 15 guaranteed contracts.
If  
DanMetroMan : 10/10/2017 12:55 pm : link
Sessions, Lee, Noah, Lance Thomas, KOQ aren't enough veteran influence then we are in deep, deep shit in regard to the younger players.
RE: Interesting  
TyreeHelmet : 10/10/2017 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13641472 DanMetroMan said:
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note (something to follow with THjr). Atkinson commented that he thought THjr did well with a hardass/tough love from Coach Bud. He might have the exact opposite here, maybe a dickhead like Rambis has value after all.


If Bud ever shakes loose from Atlanta the Knicks should be all over him. Great coach. Let Hornacek rack up the losses and then find a real coach for next year. If things get bad I'd be fine firing him mid season but then your stuck with Rambis.
The hawks sydtem  
hitdog42 : 10/10/2017 1:24 pm : link
Is a player friendly system. Nets are running many parts of it along with some dantoni— if a team is rebuilding and wants players to improve... I think it’s about asmgoodnasmit gets. Knicks should hope bid shakes free
“As good as it gets”  
hitdog42 : 10/10/2017 1:24 pm : link
....
The  
DanMetroMan : 10/10/2017 1:29 pm : link
only glimmer of hope when it comes to Coach Bud is Atlanta's ownership/GM situation is in flux and it's not as if the Hawks look any better than the Knicks going forward so it's not "outrageous" to see a scenario where he would want to come here.
RE: RE: They have looked about how i expected...  
giants#1 : 10/10/2017 1:34 pm : link
In comment 13641109 DanMetroMan said:
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My concern is him finding minutes for a coach trying to save his job. THjr will get the majority of the 2 minutes so Lee/McDermott/Beasley/Kuz/Thomas... Hopefully guys like Lee are dealt.


This. A coach on the hot seat is going to be more concerned with wins than the development of the young players.
Porzingis is no shoe in that he's going to sign  
Earl the goat : 10/10/2017 1:41 pm : link
A max deal with Knicks next year And he's certainly no shoe in to be a franchise player for Knicks

With that said I'd trade him to Boston( and Ainge would take him in a heart beat)
KP and Lance Thomas and Oquinn
For
Jaylen Brown
Jayson Tatum
Marcus Smart
2018 Lottery Pick
KP's really gonna have a bullseye on him this year.  
bceagle05 : 10/10/2017 2:47 pm : link
No Melo or Phil for the media/fans to pick on, already some diva behavior, durability concerns, etc. Hahn and Wally are going in on him a bit and it's still preseason. Gonna be a long year under the microscope on a crappy team, especially with the Giants and Jets not stealing too many late fall/early winter headlines.
Brilliant trade suggestion Earl the Goat  
Eliyah : 10/10/2017 2:51 pm : link
Maybe if you ask nicely Ainge will throw in Brad Stevens and their 17 championship banners too.
Yeah I didn't want to pile on  
bceagle05 : 10/10/2017 3:00 pm : link
but Tatum, Brown and a first rounder is asking for the moon. The Knicks would be lucky to get two of those three pieces in a trade, and would have to seriously consider pulling the trigger if they did.

I know that no player is untouchable, but I'd resist dealing KP. He and Frank are versatile players with freakish length, and very easy to build around. Fast forward to June - the Knicks can take BPA at any position and feel confident they can fit him in a starting lineup with KP and Frank.
Just  
DanMetroMan : 10/10/2017 3:07 pm : link
be patient. KP/Willy/Frank + Dotson, a not old THjr, 2 2nd rounders (including the Bulls pick which should be very high) and more likely than not a very high #1. Hope Perry proves his worth and is able to spin guys like Lee/KOQ/Kanter (aka not bad players) for assets.
RE: Brilliant trade suggestion Earl the Goat  
Earl the goat : 10/10/2017 3:17 pm : link
In comment 13641662 Eliyah said:
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Maybe if you ask nicely Ainge will throw in Brad Stevens and their 17 championship banners too.


I never said that Boston would do that but that could be starting point for Knicks
Anyway Elijah. No reason to be rude
People actually think  
brunswick : 10/10/2017 7:21 pm : link
The Knicks r finishing with a better record than the Nets...you guys crazy?
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