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So how does it end for Eli?

GiantNatty : 10/10/2017 9:56 am
So how do you see it ending for the all-time great Giant? Does he hang 'em up on his own and if so, when? After a season like this or do you see greener pastures ahead?

Does he get benched to see what's behind him? Does he get benched for poor play?

Does he get injured behind this line? Does he get "injured" in the way a lot of players get "injured" as a way to let them bow out gracefully?

Personally I think he's been holding this team back for years. He's always been maddeningly frustrating to watch at times, but this season his slow starts have been brutal (to add gas to the fire, put me in the camp that also thinks he's partly to blame for Beckham's injury - a five yard slant should not be two feet high for a professional quarterback).

I love Eli and long thought he had a third championship in him. I have also thought that he's probably earned the right to play as long as he wants . . . but he just isn't very good any more. And given what's going on around him, it may be a very long time before this team is good again.

So how do you see it ending for him? Short of winning another championship and riding off into the sunset, how do you want it to end for him?
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He dies on the field after Ereck Flowers falls on him  
pjcas18 : 10/10/2017 10:17 am : link
and has his ashes spread over MetLife by a crop duster.

I agree  
ATL_Giants : 10/10/2017 10:18 am : link
that your head is up your ass.
Eli has been, and always will be....  
Britt in VA : 10/10/2017 10:22 am : link
the perfect football IQ test on BBI.
with this OL and pig headed coaching staff, I hope it's not injury  
Victor in CT : 10/10/2017 10:22 am : link
Eli deserves better than to go out on a stretcher.
One thing I will say...  
bradshaw44 : 10/10/2017 10:25 am : link
Eli is not dumb. If he pushes for a trade to a team like JAX itís because he knows he has a REAL shot at another Lombardi. And it wouldnít shock me to see him hoist it for that team.
I love Eli and want him here  
Giants86 : 10/10/2017 10:32 am : link
that being said we must draft a QB if we are picking in the top 3 of next years draft.
If I am Minnesota  
jvm52106 : 10/10/2017 10:36 am : link
I would be calling. Bradford is done... Eli could take that team deep into the playoffs. They have WR's, TE and Rb's who can make plays. Their defense is pretty good...
RE: Eli has been, and always will be....  
Jim in Tampa : 10/10/2017 10:42 am : link
In comment 13641096 Britt in VA said:
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the perfect football IQ test on BBI.


Just a guess, but can we assume that the ones who agree with you have the high IQs and anyone who has a different opinion about Eli is a dumb ass?

And what about the posters who agree with you and think both Reese and McAdoo should be fired in mid-season if the Giants go 0 - 7 ... are they also in the high IQ group?

The truth is a strong case can be made for either side of the argument on whether the current version of Eli is a viable QB for this team going forward.
RE: RE: Eli has been, and always will be....  
Britt in VA : 10/10/2017 10:45 am : link
In comment 13641143 Jim in Tampa said:
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In comment 13641096 Britt in VA said:


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the perfect football IQ test on BBI.



Just a guess, but can we assume that the ones who agree with you have the high IQs and anyone who has a different opinion about Eli is a dumb ass?

And what about the posters who agree with you and think both Reese and McAdoo should be fired in mid-season if the Giants go 0 - 7 ... are they also in the high IQ group?

The truth is a strong case can be made for either side of the argument on whether the current version of Eli is a viable QB for this team going forward.


It is what it is, and it goes back way longer than this year.

And I guess it's not as much about high or low IQ as much as it is understanding what's being seen.
Eli had always been hit and miss  
Simms11 : 10/10/2017 10:48 am : link
with his throws. He's made some great ones over the years however.

I do think Eli, McAdoo and Reese are all tied at the hip. I think they make adjustments in off-season, and add the pieces on oline that they need. I think ownership gives them all one more year together to try to get to a Super Bowl. Remember, if this losing keeps up, they will have very high picks in every round, as well as an easier schedule. If things fall right, we could make a serious run next year. If not, I think Eli, Mac and Reese all head off into the sunset together.
Eli will be the QB next year  
AnnapolisMike : 10/10/2017 10:52 am : link
no matter who the other QB's are on the roster. My guess is he retires after next season. An injury could shorten that equation...but Eli is way down the list of the Giants issues.
Eli Manning  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 10/10/2017 10:54 am : link
Has a no trade clause. He is a Giant for life
I think it's up to Eli.....  
BillKo : 10/10/2017 10:57 am : link
he'll play the next two years here.

The success will be based on how the team around him does, because he can still play. The rest of the team needs to match it.

After two years, he'll either retire or go play somewhere else if he feels that's what he wants to do......because I think the Giants will have their QB of the future on the team, ready to take over.

Landscape of the NFL can change rapidly over the next two-three years, so there might be an opportunity for him, even at 39.
RE: Eli Manning  
pjcas18 : 10/10/2017 10:57 am : link
In comment 13641181 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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Has a no trade clause. He is a Giant for life


maybe Eli is a Giant for life, but 1) his contract ends after the 2019 season, and 2) players can in fact waive no trade clauses.

I think the bigger question is ....  
Beer Man : 10/10/2017 10:59 am : link
How far off is this team from being a good team and contending again? If management believes that the problems can be fixed with new leadership and few key player acquisitions, then Eli should be the man to lead the O. If the belief is that the team is more than a couple of years away, then the team should consider trading Eli in the off-season to a contender. Eli only has a few seasons left, if the team isn't in a position to contend anytime soon, then they need to start building for the future.
RE: I think the bigger question is ....  
AnnapolisMike : 10/10/2017 11:06 am : link
In comment 13641195 Beer Man said:
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How far off is this team from being a good team and contending again? If management believes that the problems can be fixed with new leadership and few key player acquisitions, then Eli should be the man to lead the O. If the belief is that the team is more than a couple of years away, then the team should consider trading Eli in the off-season to a contender. Eli only has a few seasons left, if the team isn't in a position to contend anytime soon, then they need to start building for the future.


As stated many times, Eli has a no trade clause and has never expressed interest in finishing his career anyplace other than with the Giants. You want Eli to mentor the young QB's. If the Giants decide it is time...my guess is that he retires.

If The Giants Continue To Lose...  
Jim in Tampa : 10/10/2017 11:09 am : link
And finish with a poor enough record that they can choose one of the top QBs in the upcoming draft, then Eli's fate will be sealed.

Barring some incredible 2018 run for both Eli and the Giants, Eli will assume the role of 2004 Kurt Warner and the new QB will take over mid-season. Eli will then have to decide if he wants to play with another team or just retire.
RE: RE: I think the bigger question is ....  
Beer Man : 10/10/2017 11:14 am : link
In comment 13641216 AnnapolisMike said:
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In comment 13641195 Beer Man said:


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How far off is this team from being a good team and contending again? If management believes that the problems can be fixed with new leadership and few key player acquisitions, then Eli should be the man to lead the O. If the belief is that the team is more than a couple of years away, then the team should consider trading Eli in the off-season to a contender. Eli only has a few seasons left, if the team isn't in a position to contend anytime soon, then they need to start building for the future.



As stated many times, Eli has a no trade clause and has never expressed interest in finishing his career anyplace other than with the Giants. You want Eli to mentor the young QB's. If the Giants decide it is time...my guess is that he retires.
That all make sense, except there is this little thing called the salary cap that always seems to get in the way.
RE: If The Giants Continue To Lose...  
Devon : 10/10/2017 11:19 am : link
In comment 13641224 Jim in Tampa said:
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And finish with a poor enough record that they can choose one of the top QBs in the upcoming draft, then Eli's fate will be sealed.

Barring some incredible 2018 run for both Eli and the Giants, Eli will assume the role of 2004 Kurt Warner and the new QB will take over mid-season. Eli will then have to decide if he wants to play with another team or just retire.


Kerry Collins forced his way off the team as to avoid being Warnered, but the Manning that historically forced the draft to go his way is going to just accept that fate?

If the Giants have thoughts about drafting a QB in the first this year, Eli Manning will not be on the team next year. He'll be cut and free to go elsewhere.
Some weird stuff thrown around, like the NTC  
jcn56 : 10/10/2017 11:21 am : link
If Eli wants out - don't you think he'd waive the NTC?

Personally, I doubt he does, or that anyone would give up anything of value to get him (given the size of his contract - that would basically deter most trades from returning any value).

I think Eli goes two more years, the Giants return to some form of winning football, and he hands over the ball to the next QB in line. Like many here, I think Eli's still a good QB but not what he was in his prime (at his age, for about 99% of football players decline is inevitable).

The sad thing with most great players is the end. So very few of them get to go out on top, winning, at the top of their game. They're competitors, and in most cases they hang on too long, and the results aren't usually all that impressive. I'm hoping for better for Eli than some of his peers.
i hope he decides  
Les in TO : 10/10/2017 11:22 am : link
to retire at the end of this season, but realistically, because of his contract, he will be back for one more season.

Without Beckham, the Giants have nothing going on offense and are probably not going to win a game this year unless they play an equally sad sack, injury riddled opponent and manage to play less crappy football than their opponents. I think 0-16 or 1-15 are very real possibilities. it is likely webb will see some action in the second half of blowout losses against largely prevent defenses. we will be in position to draft first or second overall. hopefully we choose a Peyton Manning and not a Ryan Leaf. they will redshirt the first year and then take the reigns in 2019.
RE: Some weird stuff thrown around, like the NTC  
Britt in VA : 10/10/2017 11:22 am : link
In comment 13641257 jcn56 said:
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If Eli wants out - don't you think he'd waive the NTC?

Personally, I doubt he does, or that anyone would give up anything of value to get him (given the size of his contract - that would basically deter most trades from returning any value).

I think Eli goes two more years, the Giants return to some form of winning football, and he hands over the ball to the next QB in line. Like many here, I think Eli's still a good QB but not what he was in his prime (at his age, for about 99% of football players decline is inevitable).

The sad thing with most great players is the end. So very few of them get to go out on top, winning, at the top of their game. They're competitors, and in most cases they hang on too long, and the results aren't usually all that impressive. I'm hoping for better for Eli than some of his peers.


Probably the most likely scenario given on this thread.
Britt's plan is ideal..  
Sean : 10/10/2017 11:31 am : link
draft a QB and let him learn from Eli. Have Eli play out the remainder of his contract with his successor in place. With the right people in charge & the right pieces bought in, maybe we are competitive next year with Eli. That's my hope. We do need a transition plan though.
Eli could waive the no trade clause but why would he do so unless  
Watson : 10/10/2017 11:59 am : link
it's a top choice? He has a roster bonus of 5 mil. due the 3RD day of the new league year by my calculation that would be 3/17. It would make more sense for Eli to let things play out. If NYG chooses not to pay the bonus, it gives him plenty of time to negotiate a new contract with another team. It also leaves him the option of retiring if he can't work out a deal with a team or situation that is of interest to him.
Eli's contract - ( New Window )
Eli could waive his NTC  
pjcas18 : 10/10/2017 12:05 pm : link
in the unlikely event a trade is agreed to with a contender.

If you were Eli why would you stay on a team who knowingly went into this season without changing anything from the porous protection you had as a 35 year old and has a clown show for a coach who calls plays you need to purposely thwart with delay of game penalties.

I can't see many 36+ year olds rejecting a trade to a contender from a shit show.

though, I doubt anyone wants to pay 36/37 year old Eli 22M per season or whatever it comes out to, so this is probably a moot discussion.

My scenario above is probably most likely.
Too many variables  
AcesUp : 10/10/2017 12:29 pm : link
I think Eli has picked up his play this year, he's improved since the opener. He's still a starter, a capable one at that, but he's not going to win you any games on his own. You're not making decisions around a top 20ish QB that's about to be 37 years old when you're heading toward some sort of rebuild.

For that reason, a lot depends on where they end up drafting and how they evaluate the top QBs in the class. Another smaller factor being their evaluation on Webb. A lot also rests on how the remainder of the season plays out; whether it's a mini-rebuild or complete teardown. It's entirely possible we're heading toward a new front office, coaching staff and offensive philosophy in 2018. You have no way of knowing how a potential new regime evaluates Eli or sees him fitting into their plan.
keep Eli here  
djm : 10/10/2017 12:56 pm : link
unless he agrees to a trade and the other team blows us away. Not likely.

Keep Eli here and groom a hot shot QB behind him for as long as Eli outplays the kid in camps/practice. It's that simple.

I'd get used to Eli wearing #10 for NYG. I will lose my shit if McAdoo wins the power struggle and convinces mgmt that Eli is holding this offense back. Even if Eli IS holding this offense back fuck McAdoo for cultivating an offense that doesn't cater to Eli Manning. Either way, dump Ben, keep Eli.
yes, I am critical of Eli sometimes - maybe more than most  
GiantNatty : 10/10/2017 12:59 pm : link
and that means I have a low football IQ. That seems about right for this forum, unfortunately.

I get it - this is a fan forum so the homers are going to be homers no matter what. I really try to be objective, though, and Eli's mistakes have been pretty harmful over the course of the last few years. From the dumb decision to throw the ball out of the end zone in Dallas, to the lazy pick he threw to end the Redskins game, to his slow starts in almost single every game, I don't see elite-level quarterbacking from him like I do from others around the league. Sorry, I just don't. Can he play in spurts? Of course he can - but usually those spurts come after some pretty dreadful play earlier in those same games.

Honestly, I love the guy. I think he's a sure-fire Hall of Famer and a true gamer. I will always LOVE the image of him getting up off the grass in San Francisco in 2011 with his chinstrap around his nose calling timeout - not because he needed it, but because the game situation dictated it. Amazing toughness and grit!!! More than that, he's an excellent person and a symbol of why the New York Football Giants are a first-class organization that I find pride in rooting for.

But that doesn't mean he's exempt from criticism. To the contrary, as the quarterback, he's always going to get the brunt of the blame. Maybe some of the criticism is because I had way higher hopes for him. Six playoff appearances in 14 seasons? Less than half of his seasons? And four of those appearances were one-and-dones? Yes, he also had everything to do with two magical runs and he gave us some great memories. But I also think it's fair to be a little disappointed and critical without it meaning I'm a football moron...
Again....  
Britt in VA : 10/10/2017 1:04 pm : link
It's not about high or low football IQ, it's about understanding the how's and the why's, and not viewing QB's in a vacuum devoid of what's happening on the rosters around them, from team to team, QB comparison to QB comparison.
The asnwer to that, for me, depends on what happens with Reese  
Matt M. : 10/10/2017 1:05 pm : link
and McAdoo and the rest of the coaching staff. If they end up getting a pass because of injuries, I have no faith they will get the picks right and no faith they can turn anything around next year. In that scenario, I see more beatings for Eli to absorb and his remaining years being wasted, unless they trade him.

If they basically fire everyone, there is still talent here. A trade down in the draft and the right picks with the right coach, and this is a contending team with Eli at the helm.
But this is an exercise in futility...  
Britt in VA : 10/10/2017 1:05 pm : link
because people's minds are made up, have been for years, and will continue to be. Both sides.
According to some here.....  
Britt in VA : 10/10/2017 1:06 pm : link
Eli's been losing his fastball since circa 2009. The end will come eventually, but Eli is still chugging along, just like after these same conversations in 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016. He's still here. He's still starting. He's still doing what Eli does.
So will this FINALLY be the year the squirrel finds the nut?  
Britt in VA : 10/10/2017 1:07 pm : link
Guess we'll see.
I could see him finishing up with Denver like his brother  
NNJ Tom : 10/10/2017 1:16 pm : link
I think a lot has to do with how this year goes. Also, Archie will probably have thought or two.

Who knows? Maybe he just wants to hang out with his girls and be a dad. If the line doesn't get better, I could see him telling the Giants to pound salt and just retire.

He's earned whatever he chooses.

In a body bag  
Brown Recluse : 10/10/2017 1:20 pm : link
.
RE: I could see him finishing up with Denver like his brother  
Matt M. : 10/10/2017 1:23 pm : link
In comment 13641527 NNJ Tom said:
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I think a lot has to do with how this year goes. Also, Archie will probably have thought or two.

Who knows? Maybe he just wants to hang out with his girls and be a dad. If the line doesn't get better, I could see him telling the Giants to pound salt and just retire.

He's earned whatever he chooses.
I definitely don't think retirement this early is an option. I could easily see him end up elsewhere, for a contender.
I Don't  
Jim in South Florida : 10/10/2017 1:53 pm : link
Think Eli will be cut at anytime.
If he is traded, I will be a fan of the team he is playing for.
RE: yes, I am critical of Eli sometimes - maybe more than most  
Britt in VA : 10/10/2017 2:52 pm : link
In comment 13641501 GiantNatty said:
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and that means I have a low football IQ. That seems about right for this forum, unfortunately.

I get it - this is a fan forum so the homers are going to be homers no matter what. I really try to be objective, though, and Eli's mistakes have been pretty harmful over the course of the last few years. From the dumb decision to throw the ball out of the end zone in Dallas, to the lazy pick he threw to end the Redskins game, to his slow starts in almost single every game, I don't see elite-level quarterbacking from him like I do from others around the league. Sorry, I just don't. Can he play in spurts? Of course he can - but usually those spurts come after some pretty dreadful play earlier in those same games.

Honestly, I love the guy. I think he's a sure-fire Hall of Famer and a true gamer. I will always LOVE the image of him getting up off the grass in San Francisco in 2011 with his chinstrap around his nose calling timeout - not because he needed it, but because the game situation dictated it. Amazing toughness and grit!!! More than that, he's an excellent person and a symbol of why the New York Football Giants are a first-class organization that I find pride in rooting for.

But that doesn't mean he's exempt from criticism. To the contrary, as the quarterback, he's always going to get the brunt of the blame. Maybe some of the criticism is because I had way higher hopes for him. Six playoff appearances in 14 seasons? Less than half of his seasons? And four of those appearances were one-and-dones? Yes, he also had everything to do with two magical runs and he gave us some great memories. But I also think it's fair to be a little disappointed and critical without it meaning I'm a football moron...


Almost to the day, from 2011:

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Eli's regressions and other thoughts on the game

GiantNatty : 10/11/2011 8:45 pm
In five games, Eli's lack of care for the football has spotted the other team 3 touchdowns. One against the Redskins, one against the Cardinals, and another one yesterday (and nearly two yesterday, but the defense came up with a turnover of its own despite being pinned back after an Eli fumble).

Despite what some say about yesterday's interception not being Eli's fault, I disagree completely. He threw that ball across his body, without stepping into it, to a receiver that had FOUR Seahawks all around him. And for what? A four yard gain? Meanwhile, Bradshaw was WIDE OPEN two feet in front of him and gains at least four yards (and maybe more because the closest defender was running away from him toward the back of the end zone). It was an awful decision. Yes, Cruz needs to catch that ball with two hands, but the throw should have never been made in the first place.

Two of the touchdowns Eli has spotted the other team were backbreakers (Redskins, Seahawks). Yesterday's loss is the type of loss we could be lamenting in December. Just an awful, awful loss. No two ways about it. You simply can't win many games when your quarterback is spotting the other team 7 points.


You get bashed relentlessly for this post, and then tell everybody else that they don't understand football.

10/11/11 Six years ago tomorrow. Same tune, different year. - ( New Window )
I like CTRL F'ing myself (lol) in those threads to make sure  
BrettNYG10 : 10/10/2017 2:57 pm : link
I didn't say anything dumb.

Genius confirmed, tyvm.
So you're saying I'm consistent?  
GiantNatty : 10/10/2017 3:06 pm : link
Like I said, I fully admit I'm critical of Eli. And yes, he has had a lot of games - as in too many for my liking - where his play was the difference between winning and losing. He's a champion and no one can ever take that away from him, but I also thought he was going to be better than he has been. How any fan cannot be maddeningly frustrated by him is beyond me.

And also, I think it's hilarious that you found that.
There's many more where that came from...  
JCin332 : 10/10/2017 3:09 pm : link
..
ELI, his future legacy, and chance at the Hall  
TMS : 10/10/2017 3:58 pm : link
are the biggest casualties of this teams talent mismanagement. The collapse of the OL in particular. He could have won a couple of more SBs if these incompetent shit heels worked on getting the type of OL every drop back QB has to have. Instead they wasted draft after draft on measurable athletes who flamed out without a second contract.
RE: ELI, his future legacy, and chance at the Hall  
Britt in VA : 10/10/2017 4:00 pm : link
In comment 13641743 TMS said:
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are the biggest casualties of this teams talent mismanagement. The collapse of the OL in particular. He could have won a couple of more SBs if these incompetent shit heels worked on getting the type of OL every drop back QB has to have. Instead they wasted draft after draft on measurable athletes who flamed out without a second contract.


Pretty much.
Some of you make it sound like it's so easy..  
Sean : 10/10/2017 4:15 pm : link
He could have won a couple more SB's? A couple?! He's already got 2. Basically we traded consistent playoff appearances for the 2nd ring. Would you take 1 ring with consistent playoffs or 2 with more crappy seasons? It's a fair question. Aside from Brady, where are all these multiple ring teams?
In all likelihood, they wouldn't have won more SBs.  
Devon : 10/10/2017 4:36 pm : link
But they shouldn't have been as much of a total failure as they've been either.

Eli didn't need more titles for the HoF, he just needed to make the playoffs more than he missed and have more 2009/2015 statistical seasons, without the ridiculous lows of a 2013 or possibly ending his Giants' tenure going out as very in play 1-15/0-16. He's going to end his career a ~.500 QB that is more known for turnovers and looking like a goof than being a 2x champion now, thanks to all this and even though I'm probably least sentimental fan on this board, that still kind of stings a little.
What I see is Eli finishing this season, playing next season, and if  
SterlingArcher : 10/10/2017 6:28 pm : link
the Giants do well he may return. If the Giants have another season next year like this one Eli will retire. Eli will never play for another team.
Poorly!  
old man : 10/10/2017 8:40 pm : link
and Sadly!!
And neither one had to happen except for ReesestrictedabilitytodraftOL.
'So how does it end for Eli?'...  
Torrag : 10/10/2017 9:17 pm : link
...with at least two Superbowl Rings and MVP Trophies to go with them. That's how.
It sucks  
AnyoneButPhilly : 10/11/2017 6:04 am : link
I just dont think the Giants can turn into a contender in his remaining years and its hard to rebuild around a QB like that
RE: One thing I will say...  
TMS : 10/15/2017 2:23 pm : link
In comment 13641103 bradshaw44 said:
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Eli is not dumb. If he pushes for a trade to a team like JAX itís because he knows he has a REAL shot at another Lombardi. And it wouldnít shock me to see him hoist it for that team.
Good post, neither would I. Reese and crew should have been fired 5 years ago. Mara is loyal but not too savy and Chrisis is milking the family business like many rich kids do. We fans are screwed again.
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